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(Breitbart.com)   Worried public schools are indoctrinating your kids? "One Nation Under God: A Book for Little Patriots" sets the record straight on American history, from the time Jesus wrote the constitution to 9/11 happening on Obama's watch   (bighollywood.breitbart.com) divider line 240
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2011-08-30 03:06:11 PM
the three branches of government and the Supreme Court

Yeah, I remember when they added the supreme court as the 4th branch of government to keep us liberals happy. Articles author could use a civics class.
 
2011-08-30 03:08:20 PM

spongeboob: Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard


Special Operations Command is a Command, like European Command a Unified Combatant Command of the US military, not a branch of the military.

Border Patrol are part of Department of Justice, as is FBI. Coast Guard were Department of Transportation that went to Defense in a war, now are Homeland Security, but not a military branch
 
2011-08-30 03:10:01 PM

Jim_Callahan: Also, this sounds like a perfectly decent children's book. .


This "children's book" is so poorly written it borders on illiteracy. No sense of consistency in rhyming scheme, no consistent meter, repetitive...
 
2011-08-30 03:10:40 PM

clovis69: Border Patrol are part of Department of Justice


We are DHS.
 
2011-08-30 03:11:57 PM
this link is farked
 
2011-08-30 03:12:11 PM
Throw this in for balance and it all evens out:

"History can be horrible, but some places can give us more horrible history than others. Take the United States of America, for example."
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2011-08-30 03:15:03 PM

spongeboob: since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing


Yes, yes you are missing some.

Like Bill O'Reilly's FOX Security Forces and the Teabagger's Fighting Keyboardists and RONPAUL's True and Perfect Libertardian Ideological Purists.

/I'm sure there's more I missed as well.
//Also.
///Too.
 
2011-08-30 03:18:10 PM
This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff
 
2011-08-30 03:20:13 PM

karnal: The Story of Stuff


Never heard of it.
 
2011-08-30 03:20:23 PM
The Founding Fathers knew how best,
to make us better than the rest,
Lots of guns for us to tote,
make sure women cannot vote,
Make sure Blacks are property,
give the Injuns' land to me.
Pray to Jesus,
sing and shout,
And if you don't,
get the fark out!
 
2011-08-30 03:20:47 PM

karnal: This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff


Well lets face it, a lot of them need taking care of.
 
2011-08-30 03:23:38 PM

karnal: This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff


What a stupid idea. That quote certainly doesn't jive with "The Congress shall have Power To...provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."

Whatever hippie pinko communist shiatbag wrote that should be dragged outside and shot teabagged.

// I bet it was some radical liberals who didn't even vote on it
// LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE
 
2011-08-30 03:24:00 PM
Interestingly enough, I just bought a book today on American history. But it's not this one.

The one I got was History Lessons: How Textbooks From Around The World Portray U.S. History by Dana Lindeman and Kyle Ward. I figured it a nice companion to Lies My Teacher Told Me.
 
2011-08-30 03:26:00 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me

karnal: The Story of Stuff

Never heard of it.


Leftist Propaganda

Link (new window)
 
2011-08-30 03:27:57 PM

Sgt. Pepper: Shaggy_C: Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it.

The book is fundamentally wrong. Rights don't come from the gov't, they aren't granted to us by the Bill of Rights. The BoR is a restriction on the power of federal government. Shouldn't you small-government, founding father-worshiping conservatives be the fist to want to teach kids about the limits of government authority?


Good job, SGT! According to the foundational Enlightenment principles upon which the DoI and the CotUSA (1), individual human rights are innate. We are born 'endowed' with certain liberties which can neither be arrogated nor abrogated. The BoR was simply carving that into stone and saying to any future governments -- here ye shall not tread.


To bad having it carved into stone didn't stop a whole bunch of politicians from running it through the shredder.

(1) See Hobbes (Leviathan) Locke (Three Treatise) et al.
 
2011-08-30 03:28:10 PM
To be fair - here is the video

StoryofStuff (liberal bias)
 
2011-08-30 03:30:11 PM

Transkaren: Diogenes: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure...

Oh for fark's sake.

If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.

I'm sure they hope the same.

Godscrack: Time for a book burning.

No, never. Even bad books can be used as a warning. Alternatively, as toilet paper. Burning's just inefficient.

UNC_Samurai: How dare schools indoctrinate children with facts and logic!

See, if they are in fact just facts and logic - that's one thing. I'm OK with that. The question is, are they? Personally, I found nothing objectionable about what was described in the post I read - certainly nothing about Jesus writing the Constitution and 9/11 on Obama's watch. Just a lot of descriptions about how the US is the best nation in the world - a little inaccurate in the eyes of some, yes, but not necessarily incorrect.

The page quotes this:
"The people can govern, that's what Jefferson said.
We don't need a king, we don't need to be led.
Put America's future in Americans' hands.
We can decide for ourselves in this wonderful land. "

- which I'd actually say argues *against* religion being used to govern, since Jesus is the King of Kings, and it doesn't say that America's future is in God's hands, but in Americans' hands.

Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.


Except for the part where he talks about schools indoctrinating his child, but he's taught him the glories of armed combat.

/It's not indoctrination when I do it!!!
 
2011-08-30 03:30:59 PM
Was this an Onion article?
 
2011-08-30 03:31:19 PM

Republicat: Fart_Machine: shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

They will be purged when Real Americans take over this country.

And if you think that's bad, wait until you see what they do with the Catholics and Christians who don't believe in Dominionism.


Eh there actually aren't that many pure polytheist religions left. People commonly cite Hindu, however many Hindu, believe that each "god" is really a different form of a supreme god (this is the viewpoint of Smartism). Unitarians have varied beliefs, but often fall in line with the "different forms" approach as well.

Atheists are still out of luck.
 
2011-08-30 03:31:36 PM

birchman: I don't see anything wrong with the book the way the article describes it. The comments, however, are derptastic.


Oh boy, they are terrific. Farkers can learn a thing or two about how to have a good flame war from these guys.

You certainly aren't, you mindless welfare parasite.
 
2011-08-30 03:32:16 PM
What Conservatives want you to believe about the US Constitution:

i.imgur.com

The truth about the US Constitution:

i.imgur.com
 
Bf+
2011-08-30 03:32:58 PM
I can't wait for the Amazon reviews.
 
2011-08-30 03:33:43 PM
I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?
 
2011-08-30 03:39:07 PM

The Bruce Dickinson: Thanks to this DOUCHE BAG, we have underdoG in the pledge.
You are all McCarthy loving fascists face it!


He's also the one that started calling it the "Democrat Party" and made it popular to say we're "a republic, not a democracy."

McCarthism never really went away.
 
2011-08-30 03:39:16 PM

GameSprocket: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.

Marines are a part of the Navy (the bad part), but they still have a representative on the Joint Chiefs of Staff taken from the staff allocated to the Navy. The Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Defense, but still considered part of "the military". No representative on the Joint Chiefs, though.


Sort of, the Coast Guard is a paramilitary organization, not a military organization. Although this is a minor distinction, it can be important. Since it is not strickly military, the USCG can do things the Navy can't.
 
2011-08-30 03:42:07 PM

I_C_Weener: Marshal805: The worst historians are usually ones with a political agenda because to ignore any facts that get in the way of their narrative. Or they're wannabe philosophers who can't write worth a damn.

Children's books...good when describing immature cats wearing hats. Not so good when used as a source of historical citation.


John Quincy Adams was a fuzzy wuzzy founding father! He was only 9 during Lexington and Concord (which was near Fraggle Rock in Maine!), but back then, boys could have children when they were 9, so he was fuzzy wuzzy founding father DERP DERP DERP!
 
2011-08-30 03:42:51 PM

AdolfOliverPanties:

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.



That's not accurate. The Bill of Rights has 10 amendments to the Constitution, not Rights. Not sure how many actual rights being protected are listed there.
 
2011-08-30 03:49:06 PM

kevinfra: GameSprocket: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.

Marines are a part of the Navy (the bad part), but they still have a representative on the Joint Chiefs of Staff taken from the staff allocated to the Navy. The Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Defense, but still considered part of "the military". No representative on the Joint Chiefs, though.

Sort of, the Coast Guard is a paramilitary organization, not a military organization. Although this is a minor distinction, it can be important. Since it is not strickly military, the USCG can do things the Navy can't.


Umm...no. The Coast Guard is military. It is one of the five branches of the armed services. Go read their website if you are still having some trouble.

http://www.uscg.mil/top/about/

/Oh and look at that, it is a .mil site
 
2011-08-30 04:02:59 PM

spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.



Not a youngster actually. I was in the army for quite a while. I was making a joke about the Marines being part of the Navy. I used to work for a guy who was retired from the Coast Guard. I told him the Coast Guard was like the junion Navy. He didn't like that.
 
2011-08-30 04:05:17 PM

highbrow45: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.


Not a youngster actually. I was in the army for quite a while. I was making a joke about the Marines being part of the Navy. I used to work for a guy who was retired from the Coast Guard. I told him the Coast Guard was like the junior Navy. He didn't like that.


Oops.
 
2011-08-30 04:05:50 PM

spongeboob: since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing


Swat teams lets not forget the local paramilitary units. Oh I forgot their only
for invading homes and shooting dogs and old ladies.
 
2011-08-30 04:08:50 PM

The_Homeless_Guy: Republicat: Fart_Machine: shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

They will be purged when Real Americans take over this country.

And if you think that's bad, wait until you see what they do with the Catholics and Christians who don't believe in Dominionism.

Eh there actually aren't that many pure polytheist religions left. People commonly cite Hindu, however many Hindu, believe that each "god" is really a different form of a supreme god (this is the viewpoint of Smartism). Unitarians have varied beliefs, but often fall in line with the "different forms" approach as well.

Atheists are still out of luck.


well... technically they believe that all gods are one with Brahman - Brahman is the universal. That doesn't make Vishnu (or his avatars who are often also considered gods) less divine.
Also, Hanuman for example, is not an avatar of Vishnu in any tradition that I am familiar with yet he's still considered a deity
 
2011-08-30 04:11:42 PM

spongeboob: /Pity the poor Corpsman who joins the navy thinking he gets to sail around the world and ends up humping a Ruck with the Marines


I once saw a t-shirt that said "The Marines already have a few good men: Navy Corpsmen."
 
2011-08-30 04:11:55 PM

clovis69: spongeboob: Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard

Special Operations Command is a Command, like European Command a Unified Combatant Command of the US military, not a branch of the military.

Border Patrol are part of Department of Justice, as is FBI. Coast Guard were Department of Transportation that went to Defense in a war, now are Homeland Security, but not a military branch


I was trying to show that much of the Defense of the US isn't being done by entities that are not under the Department of Defense.

For example the FBI and the Hostage Rescue Unit is it really the best utilization of resources to take people trained to solve crimes and turn them into paramilitary troopers. Wouldn't it be better to use SEAL team 6 for the rescue? According to wiki Posse Comitatus Act does not keep the Navy or Marines from being used Law enforcement, and congress could give the President the right to use Delta Force as well.

I still don't understand why it is the Department of Defense if the Department of Homeland Security is needed shouldn't we just go back to the Department of War and only use them for Declared Wars.
 
2011-08-30 04:12:58 PM

Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?


Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.
 
2011-08-30 04:19:49 PM

Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?


Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.
 
2011-08-30 04:20:38 PM

Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.


The only way the Constitution was ratified was making promises to the individual states that they would immediately take up amendments to fix the flaws in it. No one was really happy with the damn thing.

/and there were originally 12 amendments - only 10 made it through the states.
 
2011-08-30 04:24:43 PM

machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.


Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.
 
2011-08-30 04:25:15 PM

Sabyen91: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.


haven't you seen all the links on here from Kos and think progress to those books??!!?
 
2011-08-30 04:27:05 PM

bravian: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

The only way the Constitution was ratified was making promises to the individual states that they would immediately take up amendments to fix the flaws in it. No one was really happy with the damn thing.

/and there were originally 12 amendments - only 10 made it through the states.


11 made it through. In 1993, the 27th Amendment was ratified after being initially submitted in 1789. It took it over 200 years to make it all the way through the requisite number of states for ratification.
 
2011-08-30 04:28:59 PM

machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.


teaching your kid to be an unthinking slave to ideology is usually bad no matter who does it
 
2011-08-30 04:29:17 PM

Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.


I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.
 
2011-08-30 04:30:10 PM

spongeboob: since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing


You forgot the FEMA stormtroopers that are going to herd us all into indoctrination camps once Ayatollah Barrack HUSSEIN Fartbongo takes over the government with an Autopen in one hand and a teleprompter in the other, leading us into a new Darkie Age.
 
2011-08-30 04:30:19 PM
FTA: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men. He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles. So you can see why this is the kind of book I can feel good about reading with my son.

Holy shiat this woman is funnier than The Onion.
 
2011-08-30 04:31:30 PM

Nabb1: Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.

I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.


So, you don't mind when people lie about history to further their agenda. To each his own I guess.
 
2011-08-30 04:31:37 PM
www.evolvefish.com
"The terrific little book can also serve as kid-friendly introduction to important social and political issues. It's a great way for parents to gently communicate their commitment to Democratic principles while helping children begin to make sense of the complex world around them."

I don't know how grown adults cannot see how fundamentally wrong it is to indoctrinate your children with stuff like this, but both sides do it. Let your kids make up their own minds folks. Teach them to use logic and reason, to critically think for themselves. That includes finding religion on their own!
Also, don't force feed your kids Jesus if you want them to find him, it only turns them into athiests. Thats what happened to me anyway.
 
2011-08-30 04:35:38 PM

Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.

I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.

So, you don't mind when people lie about history to further their agenda. To each his own I guess.


What are the lies about history? The interpretation of the conceptualization of rights is not a historical fact.
 
2011-08-30 04:35:54 PM

Headso: Sabyen91: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.

haven't you seen all the links on here from Kos and think progress to those books??!!?


of course not. DailyKos is far too intellectually honest and openminded for that sort of thing.
 
2011-08-30 04:37:32 PM

Nabb1: Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.

I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.

So, you don't mind when people lie about history to further their agenda. To each his own I guess.

What are the lies about history? The interpretation of the conceptualization of rights is not a historical fact.


Using the term "One Nation Under God" in itself is a lie when you are talking about the founding of the country.
 
2011-08-30 04:37:54 PM

Nabb1: What are the lies about history? The interpretation of the conceptualization of rights is not a historical fact.


Never mind. That wasn't you who raised that. You took issue with the title. Which, again, I would think is an expression of at most a religious belief, and a quote from the Pledge of Allegiance.
 
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