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(Breitbart.com)   Worried public schools are indoctrinating your kids? "One Nation Under God: A Book for Little Patriots" sets the record straight on American history, from the time Jesus wrote the constitution to 9/11 happening on Obama's watch   (bighollywood.breitbart.com) divider line 240
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2011-08-30 01:38:24 PM  

FarkedOver: I'd give my son a Ronald Reagan action figure. I'd also give him a lighter and some cherry bombs.


Nah...Reagan was cool...back when he was a union-organizer. Just fashion a little picket sign for the doll, maybe a bullhorn...some liberal reading materials in his hand...

...much better...
 
2011-08-30 01:38:28 PM  

Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.


Or perhaps:

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust" and "Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies" And for good measure, "The loathsome combination of Church and State"

I wonder if the publisher will mention these quotes in book 2?
 
2011-08-30 01:39:22 PM  

SubBass49: FarkedOver: I'd give my son a Ronald Reagan action figure. I'd also give him a lighter and some cherry bombs.

Nah...Reagan was cool...back when he was a union-organizer. Just fashion a little picket sign for the doll, maybe a bullhorn...some liberal reading materials in his hand...

...much better...


And the Christmas edition Reagan with a Santa hat boxes upon boxes of chesterfield cigarettes.
 
2011-08-30 01:40:48 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.


No, it isn't.

The First Amendment alone has 5 rights (speech, religion, press, assembly, and petition).
2nd one (bear arms)
3rd one (no forced quartering of soldiers)
4th has one or two depending on how many hairs you wish to split. (search and seizures, and warrents)
5th has 4 (indictment for capital or infamous crime, double jeopardy, no forced testimony against oneself, eminent domain)...

There's at least 12-13 or so in the first five amendments.
 
2011-08-30 01:41:18 PM  

Flab: Transkaren: Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.

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I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.


Shh, it destroys the narrative.
 
2011-08-30 01:44:13 PM  
I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.
 
2011-08-30 01:45:40 PM  

Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.


Baptists don't have priests. Jefferson must have been baptist. Can I get an amen?
 
2011-08-30 01:48:23 PM  

t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.


Freedom of speech also includes the freedom from being forced to say something, so I agree with you.
 
2011-08-30 01:49:21 PM  

t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.


Meh, you can't burn an oath, so who cares.
 
2011-08-30 01:49:49 PM  

Rapmaster2000: In a time when fewer and fewer schools recite the Pledge of Allegiance each morning,

This is a classic "how do you know this?"



Naw. Its a classic, "there is no way to quantify this statement so no one can really call bullshiat".
 
2011-08-30 01:50:12 PM  

highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.


I assume this is a troll and I'm biting. If so, sorry :-(

Marines, Coast Guard
 
2011-08-30 01:50:51 PM  

dartben: AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.

No, it isn't.

The First Amendment alone has 5 rights (speech, religion, press, assembly, and petition).
2nd one (bear arms)
3rd one (no forced quartering of soldiers)
4th has one or two depending on how many hairs you wish to split. (search and seizures, and warrents)
5th has 4 (indictment for capital or infamous crime, double jeopardy, no forced testimony against oneself, eminent domain)...

There's at least 12-13 or so in the first five amendments.


Yeah, I worded that wrong. There are ten amendments in the BoR. The page of the book does list them as rights. They screwed it up and I red it wrong.

Still, a pretty harmless book, considering the source.
 
2011-08-30 01:51:38 PM  

meat0918: t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.

Freedom of speech also includes the freedom from being forced to say something, so I agree with you.


Exactly. Some reef blower in high school never stood up or said it - since my old man was a Vet, I was upset back then during my GOP blowhard days - then I, unlike many of our fine trolling friends, actually read the constitution and decided that reef blower had every right to do so.

Reef blowing Randy! You da man!
 
2011-08-30 01:52:01 PM  

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.


Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
 
2011-08-30 01:52:41 PM  
My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room


Poor kid. He's gonna grow up just fine, huh?
 
2011-08-30 01:54:31 PM  

highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.


Minutemen and Tea Party. There's your five
 
2011-08-30 01:56:46 PM  
It reads like something from the Onion.

Especially the Ronald Reagan action figure. I like the dad's refusal - as a part of this sweeping "real man" stereotype - to call it a doll. 'Cause dolls is for little girls and I ain't raisin' no sissy.
 
2011-08-30 01:57:21 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" always unnerves me.

It seems to me that you can't have both freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God". I'd much rather have the former than the latter.


Apparently the "under God" part was added in the 50s to differentiate us from those Godless Commies(tm).

An atheist group put up billboards a while back (it made Fark and I saw one in Raleigh) that just said "One nation, indivisible" to highlight this.
 
2011-08-30 01:58:05 PM  

phaseolus: Lorelle: More Teabagger drivel. Damn Teabaggers.

Diogenes: If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.

Actually, it's kinda cool.

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I was just looking for something like that at Archie McPhee (new window), found a million other things I need, but they didn't have one of those... where can you buy them?


I've only ever seen it on this site http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/obama.html (new window). I don't read Japanese, so I'm not even sure if you can buy it from that site or not.
 
2011-08-30 01:58:21 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room


Poor kid. He's gonna grow up just fine, huh?


Prob not, look at what happened to Alex Keaton.
 
2011-08-30 01:59:09 PM  

Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror


Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.
 
2011-08-30 01:59:50 PM  

Headso: SisterMaryElephant: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room


Poor kid. He's gonna grow up just fine, huh?

Prob not, look at what happened to Alex Keaton.


Karma's a b-b-b-i-t-c-c-h. (hand shaking)
 
2011-08-30 02:00:46 PM  

smartaleq: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

I assume this is a troll and I'm biting. If so, sorry :-(

Marines, Coast Guard


Didn't the Coast Guard get transferred to Homeland Security?
 
2011-08-30 02:01:09 PM  

impaler: There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. How many rights that are enumerated depends on how pedantic you want to be.


No. Zero rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a specific list of government limitations, not an enumeration of rights. The central debate around including a Bill of Rights at all was because its opponents knew people would consider it an enumeration of rights.
 
2011-08-30 02:01:15 PM  

t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.


you know who else pledges allegiance to their nation every morning......

/dirty commie union thug teachers
 
2011-08-30 02:01:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men.

You are one sick individual


That boy is going to grow up to enjoy semen.
 
2011-08-30 02:01:50 PM  
It's a sad thing that the word "Patriot" has turned into a red flag for identifying ignorant extremists. It really cheapens the word, is what I'm saying.
 
2011-08-30 02:02:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."

This is a common misconception that military recruiters don't help with. The job of the military is to follow orders of the civilian leadership. If the leadership decides that certain Americans are no longer deserving of freedom and liberty, like say Japanese-Americans, then it is the job of the military to follow orders, round them up, and put them in camps.

Not that I'm denigrating the military's role here. I'm highlighting that it is not the job of the military to protect freedom and liberty. It is the job of the citizenry to protect freedom and liberty, and unfortunately, American citizens have shown that sometimes they don't want that.


Actually, the military swears to uphold the constitution against all threats, foreign and domestic.

""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Further, most military details what would be an "illegal order". As far as what is given by an officer. What happened to those Japanese americans during WWII was disgusting.
 
2011-08-30 02:02:07 PM  

Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.


The priest, meaning only one, and he's the dude pushing for gay marriage or something. Right?

/people who buy books like this don't think, don't count, and don't read
 
2011-08-30 02:02:32 PM  

GleeUnit:
Yeah, so we can replace everyone's government with our Republican style small government. Everywhere. Duh.


So your theory is that the GOP is secretly the Progressive Party form back in the day? shiat, that's gonna screw up our terminology something fierce.
 
2011-08-30 02:03:31 PM  
Flab

I'm willing to bet that the book is a none-too-subtle suggestion that the US is a Christian nation.

from your page: "When you don't have to pray alone."

Matthew 5, verse 6 would like to have a word with the author. Again, I have no knowledge of this book but it appears to be the same repackaged Christian nation bullchit.
 
2011-08-30 02:03:38 PM  

The Homer Tax: impaler: There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. How many rights that are enumerated depends on how pedantic you want to be.

No. Zero rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a specific list of government limitations, not an enumeration of rights. The central debate around including a Bill of Rights at all was because its opponents knew people would consider it an enumeration of rights.


so why dont we call it the Bill of Government Limitations?
 
2011-08-30 02:04:23 PM  

smartaleq: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

I assume this is a troll and I'm biting. If so, sorry :-(

Marines, Coast Guard


We had a killer Air Force back then. And didn't Washington run the Marines?
 
2011-08-30 02:05:15 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" always unnerves me.

It seems to me that you can't have both freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God". I'd much rather have the former than the latter.

Not to slight people that believe in God. Hell, I'm religious myself. But this is a country full of people of different religions as well as agnostics and atheists. Their beliefs (or lack thereof) are just as important as anyone else's.

"One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

We should not favor any one particular religion in this country over others. That's why our Founders saw fit to make this a secular nation with freedom of religion.


This is a rational, well thought out argument. It also means that you're a freedom-hating muslim socialist that must be stopped before you destroy the America that Jesus created from bread and wine while riding his dinosaur. Everyone knows that this is a Christian nation and that's the exact way the Founding Fathers wanted it, even though they forgot to tell anyone.
 
2011-08-30 02:05:35 PM  
When the kid gets older he'll probably tape an M-80 to his Ronald Reagan action figure and blow it into its component parts. Then he will discover girls, the beach and drugs. Welcome to Los Angeles.
 
2011-08-30 02:05:47 PM  

urban.derelict: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 275x320]
/fear will keep the people in line
//fear...of the republic!


When did he say that?
 
2011-08-30 02:06:41 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: We had a killer Air Force back then.


Don't worry, the U.S. Air Force is still inflicting casualties.
 
2011-08-30 02:06:59 PM  
Render unto Caesar absolutely nothing, and starve Rome until is stays out of our life! Also, Caesar was born in Macedonia and his Patrician parents covered it up as a plot for his eventual rise to power--pass it on." - Matthew 22:21, New Republic of the Tea Party (NRTP) Edition
 
2011-08-30 02:07:01 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" always unnerves me.

It seems to me that you can't have both freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God". I'd much rather have the former than the latter.

Not to slight people that believe in God. Hell, I'm religious myself. But this is a country full of people of different religions as well as agnostics and atheists. Their beliefs (or lack thereof) are just as important as anyone else's.

"One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

We should not favor any one particular religion in this country over others. That's why our Founders saw fit to make this a secular nation with freedom of religion.


I never had a problem with the "under god" part of the oath until fellow "christians" began to try to use that as proof that America was a christian country and their religous moralilty should be enforced by law. I find it funny when they call themselves christians even though most of the laws they want to enforce were not endorsed by Jesus Christ. I don't recall him ever saying that he hated anyone, or that we should.
 
2011-08-30 02:07:59 PM  

T-Servo: Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.

The priest, meaning only one, and he's the dude pushing for gay marriage or something. Right?

/people who buy books like this don't think, don't count, and don't read


I really could not have said that better myself.
 
2011-08-30 02:08:35 PM  

Lorelle: More Teabagger drivel. Damn Teabaggers.

Diogenes: If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.

Actually, it's kinda cool.

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Or this One latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2011-08-30 02:08:40 PM  
Way to sully our history. Jackasses....

www.adakka.com
 
2011-08-30 02:12:15 PM  

MonkeyVegetables: you know who else pledges allegiance to their nation every morning......


upload.wikimedia.org

Francis Bellamy?
 
2011-08-30 02:13:03 PM  

Sabyen91: Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror

Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.


Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it. Absolutely ridiculous. We can mock the mother all we want but I see nothing wrong with the book.
 
2011-08-30 02:13:55 PM  

Duyogurt: Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.

Or perhaps:

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust" and "Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies" And for good measure, "The loathsome combination of Church and State"

I wonder if the publisher will mention these quotes in book 2?


"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

I believe it's Jefferson (or Madison) who is responsible for the "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

// thought question: would that phrase make it into the modern Constitution?
 
2011-08-30 02:14:38 PM  
Also, this sounds like a perfectly decent children's book. I mean, sure, a lot of the details are technically wrong (the 'under god' thing doesn't jive with its pretensions of history since it's only been around since the late '50s), but it's no more wrong than any other bit of history or social commentary "re-imagined" for kids or a normally-apathetic audience, and it apparently packages some basic civics lessons into an easily-swallowed format to boot.

Hell, remember the poem about the midnight ride of Paul Revere they made you read in 3rd grade English? Basically 100% bullshiat in factual terms. But it caught on an emotional spark and taught the reader/listener something about the contemporary feelings and spirit of the rebellion, which is more to the point, and it conveyed the basic point (there were runners to spread the word of rebellion, and when the brits landed troops the spark became a bonfire of dissent) well enough.

//I guess I approach childrens' primers more like poetry than journal articles. Just seems more appropriate.
 
2011-08-30 02:14:56 PM  

t3knomanser: Francis Bellamy?


How? Wasn't she deaf, dumb and blind?
 
2011-08-30 02:18:51 PM  

FuturePastNow: Psst, hey lady, I wore camo and played with toy guns as a kid, and now I'm a socialist commie pinko.


Same here.

\It gets better
 
2011-08-30 02:19:18 PM  

Shaggy_C: Sabyen91: Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror

Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.

Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it. Absolutely ridiculous. We can mock the mother all we want but I see nothing wrong with the book.


Propoganda pushed on Breitbart's site? What could be wrong with it? Considering "under god" was added in the 50's what does it have to do with the founding of the country?
 
2011-08-30 02:19:18 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: We had a killer Air Force back then. And didn't Washington run the Marines?


The Marines back then rode velociraptors, and didn't give them up until the Battle of Belleau Wood in WWI against the Australians.
 
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