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(Breitbart.com)   Worried public schools are indoctrinating your kids? "One Nation Under God: A Book for Little Patriots" sets the record straight on American history, from the time Jesus wrote the constitution to 9/11 happening on Obama's watch   ( bighollywood.breitbart.com) divider line
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2011-08-30 10:46:09 AM  
So far there's been two 9/11's on Obama's watch!
 
2011-08-30 10:48:14 AM  
No. Just, no.
 
2011-08-30 10:48:19 AM  
FTFA: He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles

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Wow, what rugged dissenters--exercising their independence by allowing their son to wear camo and play with army men.
 
2011-08-30 10:49:21 AM  
Sometimes you have to catapult the propaganda.
 
2011-08-30 10:56:27 AM  
Time for a book burning.
 
2011-08-30 11:02:30 AM  
How dare schools indoctrinate children with facts and logic!
 
2011-08-30 11:04:24 AM  
My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure...

Oh for fark's sake.

If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.
 
2011-08-30 11:05:32 AM  
That child sounds well-adjusted and not-at-all likely to wind up in a tower with a rifle later in life listening to "voices".
 
2011-08-30 11:07:44 AM  
More Teabagger drivel. Damn Teabaggers.

Diogenes: If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.


Actually, it's kinda cool.

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2011-08-30 11:12:17 AM  

Diogenes: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure...

Oh for fark's sake.

If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.


I'm sure they hope the same.

Godscrack: Time for a book burning.


No, never. Even bad books can be used as a warning. Alternatively, as toilet paper. Burning's just inefficient.

UNC_Samurai: How dare schools indoctrinate children with facts and logic!


See, if they are in fact just facts and logic - that's one thing. I'm OK with that. The question is, are they? Personally, I found nothing objectionable about what was described in the post I read - certainly nothing about Jesus writing the Constitution and 9/11 on Obama's watch. Just a lot of descriptions about how the US is the best nation in the world - a little inaccurate in the eyes of some, yes, but not necessarily incorrect.

The page quotes this:
"The people can govern, that's what Jefferson said.
We don't need a king, we don't need to be led.
Put America's future in Americans' hands.
We can decide for ourselves in this wonderful land. "

- which I'd actually say argues *against* religion being used to govern, since Jesus is the King of Kings, and it doesn't say that America's future is in God's hands, but in Americans' hands.

Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.
 
2011-08-30 11:15:18 AM  
Psst, hey lady, I wore camo and played with toy guns as a kid, and now I'm a socialist commie pinko.
 
2011-08-30 11:23:00 AM  

FuturePastNow: Psst, hey lady, I wore camo and played with toy guns as a kid, and now I'm a socialist commie pinko.


Same here. People forget that the Military and Liberalism are not mutually exclusive (though, i'm sure they wish it were)
 
2011-08-30 11:24:52 AM  

"The people can govern, that's what Jefferson said.
We don't need a king, we don't need to be led.
Put America's future in Americans' hands.
We can decide for ourselves in this wonderful land. "



Sounds rather tame. I can't imagine that too many people would be ups-

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Never mind.
 
2011-08-30 11:28:53 AM  

Transkaren: Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.


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I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.
 
2011-08-30 11:29:36 AM  
My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure

I hate it when liberals batshiat-insane idol-worshipping Republican dipshiats indoctrinate their children!
 
2011-08-30 11:30:22 AM  

Flab: 9th amendments


FTFM
 
2011-08-30 11:49:02 AM  
freaking nutso righties.. stop hurting america
 
2011-08-30 11:54:57 AM  
My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men.

You are one sick individual
 
2011-08-30 12:00:24 PM  

Diogenes: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure...

Oh for fark's sake.

If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.


My mom has an Obama Matroyshka doll. That's Russion you know. Russian as in commie.

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2011-08-30 12:01:55 PM  
Russion? The o isn't even near the a. I think liberals have somehow sabotaged my typing.
 
2011-08-30 12:07:44 PM  

I_C_Weener: Russion? The o isn't even near the a. I think liberals have somehow sabotaged my typing.


The Keyboard Of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
 
2011-08-30 12:19:32 PM  
"Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


This is a common misconception that military recruiters don't help with. The job of the military is to follow orders of the civilian leadership. If the leadership decides that certain Americans are no longer deserving of freedom and liberty, like say Japanese-Americans, then it is the job of the military to follow orders, round them up, and put them in camps.

Not that I'm denigrating the military's role here. I'm highlighting that it is not the job of the military to protect freedom and liberty. It is the job of the citizenry to protect freedom and liberty, and unfortunately, American citizens have shown that sometimes they don't want that.
 
2011-08-30 12:22:28 PM  
In a time when fewer and fewer schools recite the Pledge of Allegiance each morning,

This is a classic "how do you know this?"
 
2011-08-30 12:28:28 PM  
When I read Hamilton's words, On her crown, those seven rays remind Americans every day that on seven lands and seven seas many still are not yet free

So Republicans want to try to govern the entire world or what? It's our responsibility to free and police everyone? Scary thought.
 
2011-08-30 12:29:41 PM  

Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.


It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.

Having not read it all, I don't find anything objectionable with the book. The woman who wrote the article gives me the creeps but so far the book doesn't wig me out too much.
 
2011-08-30 12:38:06 PM  

Transkaren: Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.


I don't agree with indoctrinating kids with any kind of AMERICA, F*CK YEAH. That warps minds (you grow up hearing how America is perfect and brings sunshine and flowers everywhere, you're going to be the person saying "YOU DON'T LIKE HOW WE DO THINGS YOU CAN GIT OUT" in 10 years). Same for the pledge. A little kid shouldn't be made to recite or read this stuff. It's way beyond their educational level.
 
2011-08-30 12:40:38 PM  

lennavan: When I read Hamilton's words, On her crown, those seven rays remind Americans every day that on seven lands and seven seas many still are not yet free

So Republicans want to try to govern the entire world or what? It's our responsibility to free and police everyone? Scary thought.


I kind of read that as a sort of count-your-blessings because not everyone in the world has what we have. To each his own, I guess.
 
2011-08-30 12:45:31 PM  
I don't see anything wrong with the book the way the article describes it. The comments, however, are derptastic.
 
2011-08-30 12:46:45 PM  

Quasar: Transkaren: Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.

I don't agree with indoctrinating kids with any kind of AMERICA, F*CK YEAH. That warps minds (you grow up hearing how America is perfect and brings sunshine and flowers everywhere, you're going to be the person saying "YOU DON'T LIKE HOW WE DO THINGS YOU CAN GIT OUT" in 10 years). Same for the pledge. A little kid shouldn't be made to recite or read this stuff. It's way beyond their educational level.


I never recited the pledge and now I'm a pinko lib gun-owner. You figure it out.
 
2011-08-30 12:50:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Quasar: Transkaren: Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.

I don't agree with indoctrinating kids with any kind of AMERICA, F*CK YEAH. That warps minds (you grow up hearing how America is perfect and brings sunshine and flowers everywhere, you're going to be the person saying "YOU DON'T LIKE HOW WE DO THINGS YOU CAN GIT OUT" in 10 years). Same for the pledge. A little kid shouldn't be made to recite or read this stuff. It's way beyond their educational level.

I never recited the pledge and now I'm a pinko lib gun-owner. You figure it out.


Huh, I always recited the pledge and and now I'm a pinko lib gun-owner.

Well, to be fair I recited the pledge until age 13, and then I stared at T&A while mouthing the words for the next 5 years.
 
2011-08-30 12:55:23 PM  

Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans.


More specifically, the Bill of Right's doesn't tell us what we *may* do, it outlines what the government *may not* do.

/And technically, we didn't fight to get these rights; we fought to preserve the Rights of Englishmen which we already had.
 
2011-08-30 12:57:16 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Bill of Right's


Bah... stupid apostrophe taking away my freedomz!
 
2011-08-30 01:04:40 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.


There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. How many rights that are enumerated depends on how pedantic you want to be.
 
2011-08-30 01:08:00 PM  

Diogenes: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure...

Oh for fark's sake.

If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.


God only knows why, but when my son was four he believed that Dick Cheney was the white dude that was shown to be Darth Vader when he was unmasked. Couldn't convince him otherwise. He absolutely thought that the guy was some kind of bigger-than-life villain.
 
2011-08-30 01:10:33 PM  
"One Nation Under God" always unnerves me.

It seems to me that you can't have both freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God". I'd much rather have the former than the latter.

Not to slight people that believe in God. Hell, I'm religious myself. But this is a country full of people of different religions as well as agnostics and atheists. Their beliefs (or lack thereof) are just as important as anyone else's.

"One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

We should not favor any one particular religion in this country over others. That's why our Founders saw fit to make this a secular nation with freedom of religion.
 
2011-08-30 01:19:22 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.


I got ten before I got through the fourth amendment. How the fark are you counting?
 
2011-08-30 01:23:29 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?


They will be purged when Real Americans take over this country.
 
2011-08-30 01:26:06 PM  

borg: So far there's been two 9/11's on Obama's watch!


And both of them are his Katrinas.
 
2011-08-30 01:27:36 PM  

Fart_Machine: shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

They will be purged when Real Americans take over this country.


And if you think that's bad, wait until you see what they do with the Catholics and Christians who don't believe in Dominionism.
 
2011-08-30 01:28:26 PM  

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/fear will keep the people in line
//fear...of the republic!
 
2011-08-30 01:28:31 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men.

You are one sick individual


That boy is going to grow up to be fabulous!
 
2011-08-30 01:30:09 PM  
Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror
 
2011-08-30 01:31:21 PM  

lennavan: When I read Hamilton's words, On her crown, those seven rays remind Americans every day that on seven lands and seven seas many still are not yet free

So Republicans want to try to govern the entire world or what? It's our responsibility to free and police everyone? Scary thought.


Yeah, so we can replace everyone's government with our Republican style small government. Everywhere. Duh.
 
2011-08-30 01:31:44 PM  

impaler: AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.

There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. How many rights that are enumerated depends on how pedantic you want to be.


By my count there are 5 in the first Amendment alone.
 
2011-08-30 01:31:49 PM  

Theaetetus: AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.

I got ten before I got through the fourth amendment. How the fark are you counting?


With Conservative Math!

One, Two, Earnhardt....
 
2011-08-30 01:32:47 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" always unnerves me...



"One Nation Under A Groove", however...


/gettin' down just for the funk of it
 
2011-08-30 01:32:49 PM  
I'd give my son a Ronald Reagan action figure. I'd also give him a lighter and some cherry bombs.
 
2011-08-30 01:34:41 PM  
I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.
 
2011-08-30 01:36:25 PM  

Lorelle: More Teabagger drivel. Damn Teabaggers.

Diogenes: If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.

Actually, it's kinda cool.

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I was just looking for something like that at Archie McPhee (new window), found a million other things I need, but they didn't have one of those... where can you buy them?
 
2011-08-30 01:37:44 PM  
"Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."



Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.
 
2011-08-30 01:38:24 PM  

FarkedOver: I'd give my son a Ronald Reagan action figure. I'd also give him a lighter and some cherry bombs.


Nah...Reagan was cool...back when he was a union-organizer. Just fashion a little picket sign for the doll, maybe a bullhorn...some liberal reading materials in his hand...

...much better...
 
2011-08-30 01:38:28 PM  

Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.


Or perhaps:

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust" and "Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies" And for good measure, "The loathsome combination of Church and State"

I wonder if the publisher will mention these quotes in book 2?
 
2011-08-30 01:39:22 PM  

SubBass49: FarkedOver: I'd give my son a Ronald Reagan action figure. I'd also give him a lighter and some cherry bombs.

Nah...Reagan was cool...back when he was a union-organizer. Just fashion a little picket sign for the doll, maybe a bullhorn...some liberal reading materials in his hand...

...much better...


And the Christmas edition Reagan with a Santa hat boxes upon boxes of chesterfield cigarettes.
 
2011-08-30 01:40:48 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.


No, it isn't.

The First Amendment alone has 5 rights (speech, religion, press, assembly, and petition).
2nd one (bear arms)
3rd one (no forced quartering of soldiers)
4th has one or two depending on how many hairs you wish to split. (search and seizures, and warrents)
5th has 4 (indictment for capital or infamous crime, double jeopardy, no forced testimony against oneself, eminent domain)...

There's at least 12-13 or so in the first five amendments.
 
2011-08-30 01:41:18 PM  

Flab: Transkaren: Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.

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I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.


Shh, it destroys the narrative.
 
2011-08-30 01:44:13 PM  
I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.
 
2011-08-30 01:45:40 PM  

Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.


Baptists don't have priests. Jefferson must have been baptist. Can I get an amen?
 
2011-08-30 01:48:23 PM  

t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.


Freedom of speech also includes the freedom from being forced to say something, so I agree with you.
 
2011-08-30 01:49:21 PM  

t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.


Meh, you can't burn an oath, so who cares.
 
2011-08-30 01:49:49 PM  

Rapmaster2000: In a time when fewer and fewer schools recite the Pledge of Allegiance each morning,

This is a classic "how do you know this?"



Naw. Its a classic, "there is no way to quantify this statement so no one can really call bullshiat".
 
2011-08-30 01:50:12 PM  

highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.


I assume this is a troll and I'm biting. If so, sorry :-(

Marines, Coast Guard
 
2011-08-30 01:50:51 PM  

dartben: AdolfOliverPanties: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.

No, it isn't.

The First Amendment alone has 5 rights (speech, religion, press, assembly, and petition).
2nd one (bear arms)
3rd one (no forced quartering of soldiers)
4th has one or two depending on how many hairs you wish to split. (search and seizures, and warrents)
5th has 4 (indictment for capital or infamous crime, double jeopardy, no forced testimony against oneself, eminent domain)...

There's at least 12-13 or so in the first five amendments.


Yeah, I worded that wrong. There are ten amendments in the BoR. The page of the book does list them as rights. They screwed it up and I red it wrong.

Still, a pretty harmless book, considering the source.
 
2011-08-30 01:51:38 PM  

meat0918: t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.

Freedom of speech also includes the freedom from being forced to say something, so I agree with you.


Exactly. Some reef blower in high school never stood up or said it - since my old man was a Vet, I was upset back then during my GOP blowhard days - then I, unlike many of our fine trolling friends, actually read the constitution and decided that reef blower had every right to do so.

Reef blowing Randy! You da man!
 
2011-08-30 01:52:01 PM  

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.


Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
 
2011-08-30 01:52:41 PM  
My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room


Poor kid. He's gonna grow up just fine, huh?
 
2011-08-30 01:54:31 PM  

highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.


Minutemen and Tea Party. There's your five
 
2011-08-30 01:56:46 PM  
It reads like something from the Onion.

Especially the Ronald Reagan action figure. I like the dad's refusal - as a part of this sweeping "real man" stereotype - to call it a doll. 'Cause dolls is for little girls and I ain't raisin' no sissy.
 
2011-08-30 01:57:21 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" always unnerves me.

It seems to me that you can't have both freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God". I'd much rather have the former than the latter.


Apparently the "under God" part was added in the 50s to differentiate us from those Godless Commies(tm).

An atheist group put up billboards a while back (it made Fark and I saw one in Raleigh) that just said "One nation, indivisible" to highlight this.
 
2011-08-30 01:58:05 PM  

phaseolus: Lorelle: More Teabagger drivel. Damn Teabaggers.

Diogenes: If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.

Actually, it's kinda cool.

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I was just looking for something like that at Archie McPhee (new window), found a million other things I need, but they didn't have one of those... where can you buy them?


I've only ever seen it on this site http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/obama.html (new window). I don't read Japanese, so I'm not even sure if you can buy it from that site or not.
 
2011-08-30 01:58:21 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room


Poor kid. He's gonna grow up just fine, huh?


Prob not, look at what happened to Alex Keaton.
 
2011-08-30 01:59:09 PM  

Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror


Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.
 
2011-08-30 01:59:50 PM  

Headso: SisterMaryElephant: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room


Poor kid. He's gonna grow up just fine, huh?

Prob not, look at what happened to Alex Keaton.


Karma's a b-b-b-i-t-c-c-h. (hand shaking)
 
2011-08-30 02:00:46 PM  

smartaleq: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

I assume this is a troll and I'm biting. If so, sorry :-(

Marines, Coast Guard


Didn't the Coast Guard get transferred to Homeland Security?
 
2011-08-30 02:01:09 PM  

impaler: There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. How many rights that are enumerated depends on how pedantic you want to be.


No. Zero rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a specific list of government limitations, not an enumeration of rights. The central debate around including a Bill of Rights at all was because its opponents knew people would consider it an enumeration of rights.
 
2011-08-30 02:01:15 PM  

t3knomanser: I've always felt that loyalty oaths were unamerican.


you know who else pledges allegiance to their nation every morning......

/dirty commie union thug teachers
 
2011-08-30 02:01:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men.

You are one sick individual


That boy is going to grow up to enjoy semen.
 
2011-08-30 02:01:50 PM  
It's a sad thing that the word "Patriot" has turned into a red flag for identifying ignorant extremists. It really cheapens the word, is what I'm saying.
 
2011-08-30 02:02:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."

This is a common misconception that military recruiters don't help with. The job of the military is to follow orders of the civilian leadership. If the leadership decides that certain Americans are no longer deserving of freedom and liberty, like say Japanese-Americans, then it is the job of the military to follow orders, round them up, and put them in camps.

Not that I'm denigrating the military's role here. I'm highlighting that it is not the job of the military to protect freedom and liberty. It is the job of the citizenry to protect freedom and liberty, and unfortunately, American citizens have shown that sometimes they don't want that.


Actually, the military swears to uphold the constitution against all threats, foreign and domestic.

""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Further, most military details what would be an "illegal order". As far as what is given by an officer. What happened to those Japanese americans during WWII was disgusting.
 
2011-08-30 02:02:07 PM  

Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.


The priest, meaning only one, and he's the dude pushing for gay marriage or something. Right?

/people who buy books like this don't think, don't count, and don't read
 
2011-08-30 02:02:32 PM  

GleeUnit:
Yeah, so we can replace everyone's government with our Republican style small government. Everywhere. Duh.


So your theory is that the GOP is secretly the Progressive Party form back in the day? shiat, that's gonna screw up our terminology something fierce.
 
2011-08-30 02:03:31 PM  
Flab

I'm willing to bet that the book is a none-too-subtle suggestion that the US is a Christian nation.

from your page: "When you don't have to pray alone."

Matthew 5, verse 6 would like to have a word with the author. Again, I have no knowledge of this book but it appears to be the same repackaged Christian nation bullchit.
 
2011-08-30 02:03:38 PM  

The Homer Tax: impaler: There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights. How many rights that are enumerated depends on how pedantic you want to be.

No. Zero rights are enumerated in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a specific list of government limitations, not an enumeration of rights. The central debate around including a Bill of Rights at all was because its opponents knew people would consider it an enumeration of rights.


so why dont we call it the Bill of Government Limitations?
 
2011-08-30 02:04:23 PM  

smartaleq: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

I assume this is a troll and I'm biting. If so, sorry :-(

Marines, Coast Guard


We had a killer Air Force back then. And didn't Washington run the Marines?
 
2011-08-30 02:05:15 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" always unnerves me.

It seems to me that you can't have both freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God". I'd much rather have the former than the latter.

Not to slight people that believe in God. Hell, I'm religious myself. But this is a country full of people of different religions as well as agnostics and atheists. Their beliefs (or lack thereof) are just as important as anyone else's.

"One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

We should not favor any one particular religion in this country over others. That's why our Founders saw fit to make this a secular nation with freedom of religion.


This is a rational, well thought out argument. It also means that you're a freedom-hating muslim socialist that must be stopped before you destroy the America that Jesus created from bread and wine while riding his dinosaur. Everyone knows that this is a Christian nation and that's the exact way the Founding Fathers wanted it, even though they forgot to tell anyone.
 
2011-08-30 02:05:35 PM  
When the kid gets older he'll probably tape an M-80 to his Ronald Reagan action figure and blow it into its component parts. Then he will discover girls, the beach and drugs. Welcome to Los Angeles.
 
2011-08-30 02:05:47 PM  

urban.derelict: [fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 275x320]
/fear will keep the people in line
//fear...of the republic!


When did he say that?
 
2011-08-30 02:06:41 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: We had a killer Air Force back then.


Don't worry, the U.S. Air Force is still inflicting casualties.
 
2011-08-30 02:06:59 PM  
Render unto Caesar absolutely nothing, and starve Rome until is stays out of our life! Also, Caesar was born in Macedonia and his Patrician parents covered it up as a plot for his eventual rise to power--pass it on." - Matthew 22:21, New Republic of the Tea Party (NRTP) Edition
 
2011-08-30 02:07:01 PM  

shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" always unnerves me.

It seems to me that you can't have both freedom of religion and "One Nation Under God". I'd much rather have the former than the latter.

Not to slight people that believe in God. Hell, I'm religious myself. But this is a country full of people of different religions as well as agnostics and atheists. Their beliefs (or lack thereof) are just as important as anyone else's.

"One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

We should not favor any one particular religion in this country over others. That's why our Founders saw fit to make this a secular nation with freedom of religion.


I never had a problem with the "under god" part of the oath until fellow "christians" began to try to use that as proof that America was a christian country and their religous moralilty should be enforced by law. I find it funny when they call themselves christians even though most of the laws they want to enforce were not endorsed by Jesus Christ. I don't recall him ever saying that he hated anyone, or that we should.
 
2011-08-30 02:07:59 PM  

T-Servo: Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.

The priest, meaning only one, and he's the dude pushing for gay marriage or something. Right?

/people who buy books like this don't think, don't count, and don't read


I really could not have said that better myself.
 
2011-08-30 02:08:35 PM  

Lorelle: More Teabagger drivel. Damn Teabaggers.

Diogenes: If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.

Actually, it's kinda cool.

[cache.gawkerassets.com image 478x318]


Or this One latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2011-08-30 02:08:40 PM  
Way to sully our history. Jackasses....

www.adakka.com
 
2011-08-30 02:12:15 PM  

MonkeyVegetables: you know who else pledges allegiance to their nation every morning......


upload.wikimedia.org

Francis Bellamy?
 
2011-08-30 02:13:03 PM  

Sabyen91: Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror

Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.


Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it. Absolutely ridiculous. We can mock the mother all we want but I see nothing wrong with the book.
 
2011-08-30 02:13:55 PM  

Duyogurt: Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.

Or perhaps:

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust" and "Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies" And for good measure, "The loathsome combination of Church and State"

I wonder if the publisher will mention these quotes in book 2?


"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

I believe it's Jefferson (or Madison) who is responsible for the "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

// thought question: would that phrase make it into the modern Constitution?
 
2011-08-30 02:14:38 PM  
Also, this sounds like a perfectly decent children's book. I mean, sure, a lot of the details are technically wrong (the 'under god' thing doesn't jive with its pretensions of history since it's only been around since the late '50s), but it's no more wrong than any other bit of history or social commentary "re-imagined" for kids or a normally-apathetic audience, and it apparently packages some basic civics lessons into an easily-swallowed format to boot.

Hell, remember the poem about the midnight ride of Paul Revere they made you read in 3rd grade English? Basically 100% bullshiat in factual terms. But it caught on an emotional spark and taught the reader/listener something about the contemporary feelings and spirit of the rebellion, which is more to the point, and it conveyed the basic point (there were runners to spread the word of rebellion, and when the brits landed troops the spark became a bonfire of dissent) well enough.

//I guess I approach childrens' primers more like poetry than journal articles. Just seems more appropriate.
 
2011-08-30 02:14:56 PM  

t3knomanser: Francis Bellamy?


How? Wasn't she deaf, dumb and blind?
 
2011-08-30 02:18:51 PM  

FuturePastNow: Psst, hey lady, I wore camo and played with toy guns as a kid, and now I'm a socialist commie pinko.


Same here.

\It gets better
 
2011-08-30 02:19:18 PM  

Shaggy_C: Sabyen91: Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror

Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.

Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it. Absolutely ridiculous. We can mock the mother all we want but I see nothing wrong with the book.


Propoganda pushed on Breitbart's site? What could be wrong with it? Considering "under god" was added in the 50's what does it have to do with the founding of the country?
 
2011-08-30 02:19:18 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: We had a killer Air Force back then. And didn't Washington run the Marines?


The Marines back then rode velociraptors, and didn't give them up until the Battle of Belleau Wood in WWI against the Australians.
 
2011-08-30 02:19:33 PM  

highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.


Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.
 
2011-08-30 02:20:28 PM  

Shaggy_C: Sabyen91: Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror

Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.

Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it. Absolutely ridiculous. We can mock the mother all we want but I see nothing wrong with the book.


It's evil. Kids shouldn't feel good about this country. This is worse than "Mein Kampf." We should burn this book and call the Department of Social Services on any parent who would dare buy it.
 
2011-08-30 02:21:38 PM  
It doesn't look to be nearly as bad as those craptastic videos that Mike Huckabee's company put out a couple months back.
 
2011-08-30 02:22:01 PM  
Do these Brietbart people realize what silly little candyasses they are?

Conservatives like to pretend they are the tough guys in the room but what kind of tough guy needs the echo chamber that they need? They have to have all of their notions constantly reinforced. I'm not sure what is tough about them but it isn't their minds.
 
2011-08-30 02:23:40 PM  

spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.


But aren't the Marines technically part of the Navy?

upload.wikimedia.org

//I realize they have a separate command structure.
 
2011-08-30 02:23:58 PM  

Nabb1: It's evil. Kids shouldn't feel good about this country. This is worse than "Mein Kampf." We should burn this book and call the Department of Social Services on any parent who would dare buy it.


This book is clearly trying to teach kids something, I think we can agree on that. So when it is blatantly incorrect and pushes an agenda that is contrary to reality it is a piece of trash. It is a free country where idiots CAN write whitewashed crap so that is fine but I think having an opinion about that junk is also allowed.

/By the way, nice use of hyperbole
 
2011-08-30 02:23:58 PM  

Shaggy_C: Sabyen91: Shaggy_C: Kids learning about the founding of our country, the horror

Whitewashing history has always been a good idea.

Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it. Absolutely ridiculous. We can mock the mother all we want but I see nothing wrong with the book.


It's almost like people have a knee jerk reaction to call bullshiat on anything on Breitbart's site. I can't imagine why that would happen.
 
2011-08-30 02:25:21 PM  
Here, have a sample to remind yourself:

Zombie Reagan Saves the World
 
2011-08-30 02:27:08 PM  

Diogenes: If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure


More like an inaction figure, amIright?
 
2011-08-30 02:27:42 PM  

spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.


Marines are a part of the Navy (the bad part), but they still have a representative on the Joint Chiefs of Staff taken from the staff allocated to the Navy. The Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Defense, but still considered part of "the military". No representative on the Joint Chiefs, though.
 
2011-08-30 02:27:44 PM  

Shaggy_C: Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it.


The book is fundamentally wrong. Rights don't come from the gov't, they aren't granted to us by the Bill of Rights. The BoR is a restriction on the power of federal government. Shouldn't you small-government, founding father-worshiping conservatives be the fist to want to teach kids about the limits of government authority?
 
2011-08-30 02:28:10 PM  

Sabyen91: Nabb1: It's evil. Kids shouldn't feel good about this country. This is worse than "Mein Kampf." We should burn this book and call the Department of Social Services on any parent who would dare buy it.

This book is clearly trying to teach kids something, I think we can agree on that. So when it is blatantly incorrect and pushes an agenda that is contrary to reality it is a piece of trash. It is a free country where idiots CAN write whitewashed crap so that is fine but I think having an opinion about that junk is also allowed.

/By the way, nice use of hyperbole


It's a children's book. It's supposed to be watered down and simplified. If you read your kid a Con Law text book, he'll grow up to hate you. And he should, if you do that to him. What's the agenda, anyway? America is a good place? Oh, the horror. I didn't see anything that was patently wrong in those passages. I'm not much on the "under God" part and think they should take it out of the pledge, and I don't believe kids should be forced to say it, but I don't see anything wrong with the contents of the book, at least from what is quoted.
 
2011-08-30 02:28:41 PM  

Sgt. Pepper: Shaggy_C: Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it.

The book is fundamentally wrong. Rights don't come from the gov't, they aren't granted to us by the Bill of Rights. The BoR is a restriction on the power of federal government. Shouldn't you small-government, founding father-worshiping conservatives be the fist to want to teach kids about the limits of government authority?


Why would authoritarians want to teach kids about the limits of government authority?
 
2011-08-30 02:28:56 PM  
www.dirtandseeds.com

Thanks to this DOUCHE BAG, we have underdoG in the pledge.

You are all McCarthy loving fascists face it!
 
2011-08-30 02:30:08 PM  

highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."

Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.


Let's not forget that both NOAA and the PHS are uniformed services which can be millitarized by the President. It's unfortunate that these "proud conservatives" are so quick to dismiss the sacrifices of the nations nurses and cartographers.
 
2011-08-30 02:30:13 PM  
So that wasn't a parody? Poe's Law in action, I guess.
 
2011-08-30 02:31:21 PM  

gameshowhost: I_C_Weener: Russion? The o isn't even near the a. I think liberals have somehow sabotaged my typing.

The Keyboard Of Liberty must be refreshed stained from time to time with the blood cheeto dust of patriots and tyrants.


FTFY

/snicker
 
2011-08-30 02:32:11 PM  

meat0918: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.

But aren't the Marines technically part of the Navy?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x202]

//I realize they have a separate command structure.


You tell a marine that, I think the most they will admit is that the Navy is their sister service.
/Pity the poor Corpsman who joins the navy thinking he gets to sail around the world and ends up humping a Ruck with the Marines
 
2011-08-30 02:33:05 PM  
TFA: Are your kids learning the fundamentals of what makes America the greatest country in the world at school?

There's already a video about that:

Link (new window)
 
2011-08-30 02:33:08 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles

[i.imgur.com image 263x428]

Wow, what rugged dissenters--exercising their independence by allowing their son to wear camo and play with army men.


I find it interesting that he only says "Semper fi" to Marines at the airport or Costco. Why not other places?
 
2011-08-30 02:33:23 PM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: Nabb1: It's evil. Kids shouldn't feel good about this country. This is worse than "Mein Kampf." We should burn this book and call the Department of Social Services on any parent who would dare buy it.

This book is clearly trying to teach kids something, I think we can agree on that. So when it is blatantly incorrect and pushes an agenda that is contrary to reality it is a piece of trash. It is a free country where idiots CAN write whitewashed crap so that is fine but I think having an opinion about that junk is also allowed.

/By the way, nice use of hyperbole

It's a children's book. It's supposed to be watered down and simplified. If you read your kid a Con Law text book, he'll grow up to hate you. And he should, if you do that to him. What's the agenda, anyway? America is a good place? Oh, the horror. I didn't see anything that was patently wrong in those passages. I'm not much on the "under God" part and think they should take it out of the pledge, and I don't believe kids should be forced to say it, but I don't see anything wrong with the contents of the book, at least from what is quoted.


I just disagree that a book that is clearly trying to teach should be flat out wrong and obviously pushing a blatant agenda. Watered down? Fine. Wrong? Not so much. I suppose the free market will take care of it anyway. People that teach their kids this bullshiat will buy the book and people that aren't morons won't.
 
2011-08-30 02:33:28 PM  

The Bruce Dickinson: [www.dirtandseeds.com image 301x300]

Thanks to this DOUCHE BAG, we have underdoG in the pledge.

You are all McCarthy loving fascists face it!


?????


I believe these are the fascists you're looking for.

upload.wikimedia.org
Link (new window)
 
2011-08-30 02:34:20 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Hell, remember the poem about the midnight ride of Paul Revere they made you read in 3rd grade English? Basically 100% bullshiat in factual terms


Well yeah, It never mentions Paul Revere ringing bells and shooting off guns to warn the British that they weren't going to take our guns away!
 
2011-08-30 02:34:24 PM  

GameSprocket: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.

Marines are a part of the Navy (the bad part), but they still have a representative on the Joint Chiefs of Staff taken from the staff allocated to the Navy. The Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Defense, but still considered part of "the military". No representative on the Joint Chiefs, though.

Can't figure out if this means you were Navy or a Marine.
 
2011-08-30 02:35:07 PM  

Sabyen91: Considering "under god" was added in the 50's what does it have to do with the founding of the country?


In God We Trust has been around since the 1800s, no?
 
Bf+
2011-08-30 02:35:29 PM  
The pledge should be changed to "one nation, unDER GAWD!!!... indivisble..."
Since that's how most people recite it these days.

/Sad that a pledge once used to unite is now used to divide.
 
2011-08-30 02:37:13 PM  

imapirate: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure

I hate it when liberals batshiat-insane idol-worshipping Republican dipshiats indoctrinate their children!


What I don't understand about the folks who worship Reagan is that he did many (if not all) of the things that teabaggers/etc constantly complain about "the liberals" trying to do.
 
2011-08-30 02:39:09 PM  

Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: Nabb1: It's evil. Kids shouldn't feel good about this country. This is worse than "Mein Kampf." We should burn this book and call the Department of Social Services on any parent who would dare buy it.

This book is clearly trying to teach kids something, I think we can agree on that. So when it is blatantly incorrect and pushes an agenda that is contrary to reality it is a piece of trash. It is a free country where idiots CAN write whitewashed crap so that is fine but I think having an opinion about that junk is also allowed.

/By the way, nice use of hyperbole

It's a children's book. It's supposed to be watered down and simplified. If you read your kid a Con Law text book, he'll grow up to hate you. And he should, if you do that to him. What's the agenda, anyway? America is a good place? Oh, the horror. I didn't see anything that was patently wrong in those passages. I'm not much on the "under God" part and think they should take it out of the pledge, and I don't believe kids should be forced to say it, but I don't see anything wrong with the contents of the book, at least from what is quoted.

I just disagree that a book that is clearly trying to teach should be flat out wrong and obviously pushing a blatant agenda. Watered down? Fine. Wrong? Not so much. I suppose the free market will take care of it anyway. People that teach their kids this bullshiat will buy the book and people that aren't morons won't.


What part is flat out wrong?
 
2011-08-30 02:40:04 PM  

Knara: imapirate: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure

I hate it when liberals batshiat-insane idol-worshipping Republican dipshiats indoctrinate their children!

What I don't understand about the folks who worship Reagan is that he did many (if not all) of the things that teabaggers/etc constantly complain about "the liberals" trying to do.


You don't understand that they:

a) are functionally retarded,
b) willfully ignorant, or
c) brainwashed by Fox News?

//Cornelius, the evidence is incontrevertible
 
2011-08-30 02:40:32 PM  

Shaggy_C: Sabyen91: Considering "under god" was added in the 50's what does it have to do with the founding of the country?

In God We Trust has been around since the 1800s, no?


Somewhat sporadically since the mid 19th century on currency until relatively recently when Federal notes were more standardized.

The US just isn't a "Christian" nation in the sense that most folks who insist that it is would like it to be.

/but deism sounds scary, mommy
 
2011-08-30 02:41:55 PM  

Shaggy_C: Sabyen91: Considering "under god" was added in the 50's what does it have to do with the founding of the country?

In God We Trust has been around since the 1800s, no?


On coins yes. It wasn't an official motto until the 50s.

/It is also a Florida motto so I think it only makes sense to dump it.
 
2011-08-30 02:42:10 PM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: Nabb1: It's evil. Kids shouldn't feel good about this country. This is worse than "Mein Kampf." We should burn this book and call the Department of Social Services on any parent who would dare buy it.

This book is clearly trying to teach kids something, I think we can agree on that. So when it is blatantly incorrect and pushes an agenda that is contrary to reality it is a piece of trash. It is a free country where idiots CAN write whitewashed crap so that is fine but I think having an opinion about that junk is also allowed.

/By the way, nice use of hyperbole

It's a children's book. It's supposed to be watered down and simplified. If you read your kid a Con Law text book, he'll grow up to hate you. And he should, if you do that to him. What's the agenda, anyway? America is a good place? Oh, the horror. I didn't see anything that was patently wrong in those passages. I'm not much on the "under God" part and think they should take it out of the pledge, and I don't believe kids should be forced to say it, but I don't see anything wrong with the contents of the book, at least from what is quoted.

I just disagree that a book that is clearly trying to teach should be flat out wrong and obviously pushing a blatant agenda. Watered down? Fine. Wrong? Not so much. I suppose the free market will take care of it anyway. People that teach their kids this bullshiat will buy the book and people that aren't morons won't.

What part is flat out wrong?


As mentioned by several people, the bill of rights is not an enumeration of rights, but limits on the government.
 
2011-08-30 02:42:30 PM  

Nabb1: What part is flat out wrong?


The title?
 
2011-08-30 02:42:35 PM  

coeyagi: You don't understand that they:

a) are functionally retarded,
b) willfully ignorant, or
c) brainwashed by Fox News?

//Cornelius, the evidence is incontrevertible


Perhaps, in an attempt to retain my sanity, I simply don't want to understand, Albus.
 
2011-08-30 02:42:49 PM  

Knara: What I don't understand about the folks who worship Reagan is that he did many (if not all) of the things that teabaggers/etc constantly complain about "the liberals" trying to do.


They also worship Jesus, who also did many (if not all) of the things that teabaggers/etc constantly complain about "the liberals" trying to do.
 
2011-08-30 02:44:47 PM  
Wow..the quotes from that book are CRAZY TALK!
 
2011-08-30 02:47:55 PM  

meat0918: As mentioned by several people, the bill of rights is not an enumeration of rights, but limits on the government.


Sure, but I don't think an enumeration of rights and the limits on government are mutually exclusive. Now, calling rights something granted by the government to the people is something I wouldn't agree with, but the passage I read seemed to be okay. At least as far as small kids are concerned. It think it's a bit early to start trying to get little kids to wrap their heads around "negative obligations" and so on.
 
2011-08-30 02:48:31 PM  

T-Servo: The Marines back then rode velociraptors, and didn't give them up until the Battle of Belleau Wood in WWI against the Australians.


Fark. I'd pay to see that.
 
2011-08-30 02:49:25 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans.

More specifically, the Bill of Right's doesn't tell us what we *may* do, it outlines what the government *may not* do.

/And technically, we didn't fight to get these rights; we fought to preserve the Rights of Englishmen which we already had.



I think a large majority of Americans don't understand this. I think people need to brush up on the history of Magna Carta, Petition of Right, Habeas Corpus Act and the Bill of Rights from 1689 (to start with) that all largely influenced the US Constitution and what the 9th Amendment really means :)
 
2011-08-30 02:52:39 PM  
Schoolhouse Rock for the children of brain dead partisans?
 
2011-08-30 02:53:26 PM  
since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing
 
2011-08-30 02:58:29 PM  
"My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men. He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles. So you can see why this is the kind of book I can feel good about reading with my son."

Your kid sounds like a homo
 
2011-08-30 02:58:30 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Duyogurt: Duyogurt: I love their reference of Thomas Jefferson and how he pertains to liberty. Perhaps they should throw this quote out there for a matter of perspective:

"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty."

Wonder what they think about that one.

Or perhaps:

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust" and "Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies" And for good measure, "The loathsome combination of Church and State"

I wonder if the publisher will mention these quotes in book 2?

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

I believe it's Jefferson (or Madison) who is responsible for the "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

// thought question: would that phrase make it into the modern Constitution?


States (I'll let you guess which ones) have already tried to override it. The supremacy clause had to be used in a number of cases that garnered very little national press.
 
2011-08-30 03:00:13 PM  
The worst historians are usually ones with a political agenda because to ignore any facts that get in the way of their narrative. Or they're wannabe philosophers who can't write worth a damn.
 
2011-08-30 03:01:07 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans.

More specifically, the Bill of Right's doesn't tell us what we *may* do, it outlines what the government *may not* do.

/And technically, we didn't fight to get these rights; we fought to preserve the Rights of Englishmen which we already had.

I think a large majority of Americans don't understand this. I think people need to brush up on the history of Magna Carta, Petition of Right, Habeas Corpus Act and the Bill of Rights from 1689 (to start with) that all largely influenced the US Constitution and what the 9th Amendment really means :)


Why you dirty, heathen-

Jesus didn't come to Texas to sign any funny-sounding papers like Magnum Cart (though I guess He'da picked up some of 'em for his overlarge dong) or Habla Corpse (sounds Messican).

The Constitution was perfect as written - even if they did give the vote to women - and it's only once the liberals started monkeying with it that we got the Department of Education and the Freedom-Stealing EPA. It's why, before the ink was even dry on that parchment in 1776, everyone realized American Exceptionalism and adopted it to become the Supreme Law of the Land. Even the British had to realize how America we were, so they stopped fighting us until 1812.

You have the rights my government says you have, and if'n you don't like it, go back to Russia with the other fascists, you anarchist.
 
2011-08-30 03:01:10 PM  

skullkrusher: "My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men. He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles. So you can see why this is the kind of book I can feel good about reading with my son."

Your kid sounds like a homo


Heh... They forgot to mention he's also 15 and is required by law to wear a hockey helmet when outside his well padded room.
 
2011-08-30 03:01:18 PM  
Are your kids learning the fundamentals of what makes America the greatest country in the world at school?

Ah yes...the old "The United States is the Greatest Country in the World(TM)" nonsense. Why don't they acknowledge truth rather than pointless blustering? I believe China and North Korean children are taught the same thing about their nations.

US Rankings -
Child Mortality rate: 151st
Civil Liberties: 46th
Democracy: 17th
College graduation rates: 14th (out of 24)
LIteracy: 15th (out of 27)
Math scores: 35th
Divorce rates: 5th highest
GDP per capita: 10th
Happiness: 21st (out of 57)
Major assaults per capita: 6th highest
Income inequality: 43rd

I could go on....source.
 
2011-08-30 03:01:47 PM  

skullkrusher: "My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men. He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles. So you can see why this is the kind of book I can feel good about reading with my son."

Your kid sounds like a homo


Skullkrusher you seem to call a lot of people homo.
Compensating for anything?
NTTIAWWI
 
2011-08-30 03:04:37 PM  

Marshal805: The worst historians are usually ones with a political agenda because to ignore any facts that get in the way of their narrative. Or they're wannabe philosophers who can't write worth a damn.


Children's books...good when describing immature cats wearing hats. Not so good when used as a source of historical citation.
 
2011-08-30 03:05:24 PM  

wantedbadass: Child Mortality rate: 151st


yeah but they count abortions in that. That's not fair.
 
2011-08-30 03:06:11 PM  
the three branches of government and the Supreme Court

Yeah, I remember when they added the supreme court as the 4th branch of government to keep us liberals happy. Articles author could use a civics class.
 
2011-08-30 03:08:20 PM  

spongeboob: Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard


Special Operations Command is a Command, like European Command a Unified Combatant Command of the US military, not a branch of the military.

Border Patrol are part of Department of Justice, as is FBI. Coast Guard were Department of Transportation that went to Defense in a war, now are Homeland Security, but not a military branch
 
2011-08-30 03:10:01 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Also, this sounds like a perfectly decent children's book. .


This "children's book" is so poorly written it borders on illiteracy. No sense of consistency in rhyming scheme, no consistent meter, repetitive...
 
2011-08-30 03:10:40 PM  

clovis69: Border Patrol are part of Department of Justice


We are DHS.
 
2011-08-30 03:11:57 PM  
this link is farked
 
2011-08-30 03:12:11 PM  
Throw this in for balance and it all evens out:

"History can be horrible, but some places can give us more horrible history than others. Take the United States of America, for example."
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2011-08-30 03:15:03 PM  

spongeboob: since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing


Yes, yes you are missing some.

Like Bill O'Reilly's FOX Security Forces and the Teabagger's Fighting Keyboardists and RONPAUL's True and Perfect Libertardian Ideological Purists.

/I'm sure there's more I missed as well.
//Also.
///Too.
 
2011-08-30 03:18:10 PM  
This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff
 
2011-08-30 03:20:13 PM  

karnal: The Story of Stuff


Never heard of it.
 
2011-08-30 03:20:23 PM  
The Founding Fathers knew how best,
to make us better than the rest,
Lots of guns for us to tote,
make sure women cannot vote,
Make sure Blacks are property,
give the Injuns' land to me.
Pray to Jesus,
sing and shout,
And if you don't,
get the fark out!
 
2011-08-30 03:20:47 PM  

karnal: This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff


Well lets face it, a lot of them need taking care of.
 
2011-08-30 03:23:38 PM  

karnal: This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff


What a stupid idea. That quote certainly doesn't jive with "The Congress shall have Power To...provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States."

Whatever hippie pinko communist shiatbag wrote that should be dragged outside and shot teabagged.

// I bet it was some radical liberals who didn't even vote on it
// LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE
 
2011-08-30 03:24:00 PM  
Interestingly enough, I just bought a book today on American history. But it's not this one.

The one I got was History Lessons: How Textbooks From Around The World Portray U.S. History by Dana Lindeman and Kyle Ward. I figured it a nice companion to Lies My Teacher Told Me.
 
2011-08-30 03:26:00 PM  
Dusk-You-n-Me

karnal: The Story of Stuff

Never heard of it.


Leftist Propaganda

Link (new window)
 
2011-08-30 03:27:57 PM  

Sgt. Pepper: Shaggy_C: Just listen to these complaints in here. You have a poem giving a gist of the Bill of Rights to a toddler, and people are sitting here counting out the specific number of enumerated rights in each farking Amendment as a way to attack it.

The book is fundamentally wrong. Rights don't come from the gov't, they aren't granted to us by the Bill of Rights. The BoR is a restriction on the power of federal government. Shouldn't you small-government, founding father-worshiping conservatives be the fist to want to teach kids about the limits of government authority?


Good job, SGT! According to the foundational Enlightenment principles upon which the DoI and the CotUSA (1), individual human rights are innate. We are born 'endowed' with certain liberties which can neither be arrogated nor abrogated. The BoR was simply carving that into stone and saying to any future governments -- here ye shall not tread.


To bad having it carved into stone didn't stop a whole bunch of politicians from running it through the shredder.

(1) See Hobbes (Leviathan) Locke (Three Treatise) et al.
 
2011-08-30 03:28:10 PM  
To be fair - here is the video

StoryofStuff (liberal bias)
 
2011-08-30 03:30:11 PM  

Transkaren: Diogenes: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure...

Oh for fark's sake.

If I were to give my kid an Obama action figure, I'd hope my SO would slap me silly.

I'm sure they hope the same.

Godscrack: Time for a book burning.

No, never. Even bad books can be used as a warning. Alternatively, as toilet paper. Burning's just inefficient.

UNC_Samurai: How dare schools indoctrinate children with facts and logic!

See, if they are in fact just facts and logic - that's one thing. I'm OK with that. The question is, are they? Personally, I found nothing objectionable about what was described in the post I read - certainly nothing about Jesus writing the Constitution and 9/11 on Obama's watch. Just a lot of descriptions about how the US is the best nation in the world - a little inaccurate in the eyes of some, yes, but not necessarily incorrect.

The page quotes this:
"The people can govern, that's what Jefferson said.
We don't need a king, we don't need to be led.
Put America's future in Americans' hands.
We can decide for ourselves in this wonderful land. "

- which I'd actually say argues *against* religion being used to govern, since Jesus is the King of Kings, and it doesn't say that America's future is in God's hands, but in Americans' hands.

Now, this isn't to say I've read the whole book. There may be other, far more objectionable material in there. I'm just saying, on the face of it, it seems reasonable.


Except for the part where he talks about schools indoctrinating his child, but he's taught him the glories of armed combat.

/It's not indoctrination when I do it!!!
 
2011-08-30 03:30:59 PM  
Was this an Onion article?
 
2011-08-30 03:31:19 PM  

Republicat: Fart_Machine: shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

They will be purged when Real Americans take over this country.

And if you think that's bad, wait until you see what they do with the Catholics and Christians who don't believe in Dominionism.


Eh there actually aren't that many pure polytheist religions left. People commonly cite Hindu, however many Hindu, believe that each "god" is really a different form of a supreme god (this is the viewpoint of Smartism). Unitarians have varied beliefs, but often fall in line with the "different forms" approach as well.

Atheists are still out of luck.
 
2011-08-30 03:31:36 PM  

birchman: I don't see anything wrong with the book the way the article describes it. The comments, however, are derptastic.


Oh boy, they are terrific. Farkers can learn a thing or two about how to have a good flame war from these guys.

You certainly aren't, you mindless welfare parasite.
 
2011-08-30 03:32:16 PM  
What Conservatives want you to believe about the US Constitution:

i.imgur.com

The truth about the US Constitution:

i.imgur.com
 
Bf+
2011-08-30 03:32:58 PM  
I can't wait for the Amazon reviews.
 
2011-08-30 03:33:43 PM  
I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?
 
2011-08-30 03:39:07 PM  

The Bruce Dickinson: Thanks to this DOUCHE BAG, we have underdoG in the pledge.
You are all McCarthy loving fascists face it!


He's also the one that started calling it the "Democrat Party" and made it popular to say we're "a republic, not a democracy."

McCarthism never really went away.
 
2011-08-30 03:39:16 PM  

GameSprocket: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.

Marines are a part of the Navy (the bad part), but they still have a representative on the Joint Chiefs of Staff taken from the staff allocated to the Navy. The Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Defense, but still considered part of "the military". No representative on the Joint Chiefs, though.


Sort of, the Coast Guard is a paramilitary organization, not a military organization. Although this is a minor distinction, it can be important. Since it is not strickly military, the USCG can do things the Navy can't.
 
2011-08-30 03:42:07 PM  

I_C_Weener: Marshal805: The worst historians are usually ones with a political agenda because to ignore any facts that get in the way of their narrative. Or they're wannabe philosophers who can't write worth a damn.

Children's books...good when describing immature cats wearing hats. Not so good when used as a source of historical citation.


John Quincy Adams was a fuzzy wuzzy founding father! He was only 9 during Lexington and Concord (which was near Fraggle Rock in Maine!), but back then, boys could have children when they were 9, so he was fuzzy wuzzy founding father DERP DERP DERP!
 
2011-08-30 03:42:51 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties:

It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.



That's not accurate. The Bill of Rights has 10 amendments to the Constitution, not Rights. Not sure how many actual rights being protected are listed there.
 
2011-08-30 03:49:06 PM  

kevinfra: GameSprocket: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.

Marines are a part of the Navy (the bad part), but they still have a representative on the Joint Chiefs of Staff taken from the staff allocated to the Navy. The Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Defense, but still considered part of "the military". No representative on the Joint Chiefs, though.

Sort of, the Coast Guard is a paramilitary organization, not a military organization. Although this is a minor distinction, it can be important. Since it is not strickly military, the USCG can do things the Navy can't.


Umm...no. The Coast Guard is military. It is one of the five branches of the armed services. Go read their website if you are still having some trouble.

http://www.uscg.mil/top/about/

/Oh and look at that, it is a .mil site
 
2011-08-30 04:02:59 PM  

spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.



Not a youngster actually. I was in the army for quite a while. I was making a joke about the Marines being part of the Navy. I used to work for a guy who was retired from the Coast Guard. I told him the Coast Guard was like the junion Navy. He didn't like that.
 
2011-08-30 04:05:17 PM  

highbrow45: spongeboob: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

Know how I can tell you are a youngsters

Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines we don't ask for experience we give it...
can't find commercial on youtube
and sometimes the Coast Guard.


Not a youngster actually. I was in the army for quite a while. I was making a joke about the Marines being part of the Navy. I used to work for a guy who was retired from the Coast Guard. I told him the Coast Guard was like the junior Navy. He didn't like that.


Oops.
 
2011-08-30 04:05:50 PM  

spongeboob: since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing


Swat teams lets not forget the local paramilitary units. Oh I forgot their only
for invading homes and shooting dogs and old ladies.
 
2011-08-30 04:08:50 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: Republicat: Fart_Machine: shivashakti: "One Nation Under God" seems to me to be used to blatantly push one particular religion (Christianity). What about polytheists? What about atheists? What about Buddhists? Or Unitarian Universalists?

They will be purged when Real Americans take over this country.

And if you think that's bad, wait until you see what they do with the Catholics and Christians who don't believe in Dominionism.

Eh there actually aren't that many pure polytheist religions left. People commonly cite Hindu, however many Hindu, believe that each "god" is really a different form of a supreme god (this is the viewpoint of Smartism). Unitarians have varied beliefs, but often fall in line with the "different forms" approach as well.

Atheists are still out of luck.


well... technically they believe that all gods are one with Brahman - Brahman is the universal. That doesn't make Vishnu (or his avatars who are often also considered gods) less divine.
Also, Hanuman for example, is not an avatar of Vishnu in any tradition that I am familiar with yet he's still considered a deity
 
2011-08-30 04:11:42 PM  

spongeboob: /Pity the poor Corpsman who joins the navy thinking he gets to sail around the world and ends up humping a Ruck with the Marines


I once saw a t-shirt that said "The Marines already have a few good men: Navy Corpsmen."
 
2011-08-30 04:11:55 PM  

clovis69: spongeboob: Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard

Special Operations Command is a Command, like European Command a Unified Combatant Command of the US military, not a branch of the military.

Border Patrol are part of Department of Justice, as is FBI. Coast Guard were Department of Transportation that went to Defense in a war, now are Homeland Security, but not a military branch


I was trying to show that much of the Defense of the US isn't being done by entities that are not under the Department of Defense.

For example the FBI and the Hostage Rescue Unit is it really the best utilization of resources to take people trained to solve crimes and turn them into paramilitary troopers. Wouldn't it be better to use SEAL team 6 for the rescue? According to wiki Posse Comitatus Act does not keep the Navy or Marines from being used Law enforcement, and congress could give the President the right to use Delta Force as well.

I still don't understand why it is the Department of Defense if the Department of Homeland Security is needed shouldn't we just go back to the Department of War and only use them for Declared Wars.
 
2011-08-30 04:12:58 PM  

Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?


Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.
 
2011-08-30 04:19:49 PM  

Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?


Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.
 
2011-08-30 04:20:38 PM  

Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.


The only way the Constitution was ratified was making promises to the individual states that they would immediately take up amendments to fix the flaws in it. No one was really happy with the damn thing.

/and there were originally 12 amendments - only 10 made it through the states.
 
2011-08-30 04:24:43 PM  

machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.


Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.
 
2011-08-30 04:25:15 PM  

Sabyen91: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.


haven't you seen all the links on here from Kos and think progress to those books??!!?
 
2011-08-30 04:27:05 PM  

bravian: Flab: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I don't think the Bill of Rights lists the 10 rights of Americans. In fact, I'm pretty sure the 9th amendments explicitely says there may be more than those listed.

The only way the Constitution was ratified was making promises to the individual states that they would immediately take up amendments to fix the flaws in it. No one was really happy with the damn thing.

/and there were originally 12 amendments - only 10 made it through the states.


11 made it through. In 1993, the 27th Amendment was ratified after being initially submitted in 1789. It took it over 200 years to make it all the way through the requisite number of states for ratification.
 
2011-08-30 04:28:59 PM  

machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.


teaching your kid to be an unthinking slave to ideology is usually bad no matter who does it
 
2011-08-30 04:29:17 PM  

Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.


I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.
 
2011-08-30 04:30:10 PM  

spongeboob: since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing


You forgot the FEMA stormtroopers that are going to herd us all into indoctrination camps once Ayatollah Barrack HUSSEIN Fartbongo takes over the government with an Autopen in one hand and a teleprompter in the other, leading us into a new Darkie Age.
 
2011-08-30 04:30:19 PM  
FTA: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men. He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles. So you can see why this is the kind of book I can feel good about reading with my son.

Holy shiat this woman is funnier than The Onion.
 
2011-08-30 04:31:30 PM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.

I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.


So, you don't mind when people lie about history to further their agenda. To each his own I guess.
 
2011-08-30 04:31:37 PM  
www.evolvefish.com
"The terrific little book can also serve as kid-friendly introduction to important social and political issues. It's a great way for parents to gently communicate their commitment to Democratic principles while helping children begin to make sense of the complex world around them."

I don't know how grown adults cannot see how fundamentally wrong it is to indoctrinate your children with stuff like this, but both sides do it. Let your kids make up their own minds folks. Teach them to use logic and reason, to critically think for themselves. That includes finding religion on their own!
Also, don't force feed your kids Jesus if you want them to find him, it only turns them into athiests. Thats what happened to me anyway.
 
2011-08-30 04:35:38 PM  

Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.

I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.

So, you don't mind when people lie about history to further their agenda. To each his own I guess.


What are the lies about history? The interpretation of the conceptualization of rights is not a historical fact.
 
2011-08-30 04:35:54 PM  

Headso: Sabyen91: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.

haven't you seen all the links on here from Kos and think progress to those books??!!?


of course not. DailyKos is far too intellectually honest and openminded for that sort of thing.
 
2011-08-30 04:37:32 PM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: machoprogrammer: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Nonono, those are ok because they are anti-Republican! Indoctrinating your kid is only bad when conservatives do it.

Except neither one of those are meant to be historical. Cry moar emopublican.

I guess you're right about that. They are just blatant brainwashing. Obviously this "history" book which you haven't read is full of LIES propagated by TEABAGGERS and RACISTS and other insidious types.

So, you don't mind when people lie about history to further their agenda. To each his own I guess.

What are the lies about history? The interpretation of the conceptualization of rights is not a historical fact.


Using the term "One Nation Under God" in itself is a lie when you are talking about the founding of the country.
 
2011-08-30 04:37:54 PM  

Nabb1: What are the lies about history? The interpretation of the conceptualization of rights is not a historical fact.


Never mind. That wasn't you who raised that. You took issue with the title. Which, again, I would think is an expression of at most a religious belief, and a quote from the Pledge of Allegiance.
 
2011-08-30 04:38:11 PM  
littledemocrats.net
 
2011-08-30 04:38:38 PM  

spongeboob: I still don't understand why it is the Department of Defense if the Department of Homeland Security is needed shouldn't we just go back to the Department of War and only use them for Declared Wars.


Because terrorists.
 
2011-08-30 04:40:26 PM  

Sabyen91: Using the term "One Nation Under God" in itself is a lie when you are talking about the founding of the country.


Really? A quote from the Pledge that is more of a platitude than an actual assertion of historical fact? Do you get all pissy when they sing "God Bless America" at baseball games, too?

Actually, I'm tired of that. 9/11 was ten years ago. Can we just have "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" back, please?
 
2011-08-30 04:42:48 PM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: Using the term "One Nation Under God" in itself is a lie when you are talking about the founding of the country.

Really? A quote from the Pledge that is more of a platitude than an actual assertion of historical fact? Do you get all pissy when they sing "God Bless America" at baseball games, too?

Actually, I'm tired of that. 9/11 was ten years ago. Can we just have "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" back, please?


A quote from the 1950s conflated to make it sound like the founders intended the country to be a Christian nation? Well, maybe it isn't a lie. Maybe it is just really disingenuous and weaselly. I stand corrected.
 
2011-08-30 04:44:52 PM  

Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: Using the term "One Nation Under God" in itself is a lie when you are talking about the founding of the country.

Really? A quote from the Pledge that is more of a platitude than an actual assertion of historical fact? Do you get all pissy when they sing "God Bless America" at baseball games, too?

Actually, I'm tired of that. 9/11 was ten years ago. Can we just have "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" back, please?

A quote from the 1950s conflated to make it sound like the founders intended the country to be a Christian nation? Well, maybe it isn't a lie. Maybe it is just really disingenuous and weaselly. I stand corrected.


I think you're reading way too much into that. Besides, I had to recite the Pledge in school when I was a kid, and I still turned out to be an irreverent heathen.
 
2011-08-30 04:46:02 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: It is only saying there are ten rights in the Bill of Rights, which is accurate.


The First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That sure seems like more than one Right, right there.
 
2011-08-30 04:46:08 PM  

Nabb1: Sabyen91: Nabb1: Sabyen91: Using the term "One Nation Under God" in itself is a lie when you are talking about the founding of the country.

Really? A quote from the Pledge that is more of a platitude than an actual assertion of historical fact? Do you get all pissy when they sing "God Bless America" at baseball games, too?

Actually, I'm tired of that. 9/11 was ten years ago. Can we just have "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" back, please?

A quote from the 1950s conflated to make it sound like the founders intended the country to be a Christian nation? Well, maybe it isn't a lie. Maybe it is just really disingenuous and weaselly. I stand corrected.

I think you're reading way too much into that. Besides, I had to recite the Pledge in school when I was a kid, and I still turned out to be an irreverent heathen.


Maybe I am but it really seems like the whole Christian Nation retcon has gotten out of hand.
 
2011-08-30 04:50:10 PM  

skullkrusher: Headso: Sabyen91: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.

haven't you seen all the links on here from Kos and think progress to those books??!!?

of course not. DailyKos is far too intellectually honest and openminded for that sort of thing.


that seems to be the case
 
2011-08-30 04:51:27 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: Headso: Sabyen91: Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?

Boy, I am sure glad Breitbart is catapulting that propoganda.

haven't you seen all the links on here from Kos and think progress to those books??!!?

of course not. DailyKos is far too intellectually honest and openminded for that sort of thing.

that seems to be the case


Not for nothing, but, IIRC, DailyKos is where I first read about that "Mommy is a Democrat" book.
 
2011-08-30 04:54:15 PM  

Nabb1: Not for nothing, but, IIRC, DailyKos is where I first read about that "Mommy is a Democrat" book.


I did find a DK diary linking to that littledemocrats.net site too but it was just a random Kossack so didn't bother
 
2011-08-30 04:59:40 PM  

skullkrusher: Nabb1: Not for nothing, but, IIRC, DailyKos is where I first read about that "Mommy is a Democrat" book.

I did find a DK diary linking to that littledemocrats.net site too but it was just a random Kossack so didn't bother


You should have bothered, than you could do some textbook both-sides-are-badin.
 
2011-08-30 05:04:36 PM  

dittybopper: spongeboob: /Pity the poor Corpsman who joins the navy thinking he gets to sail around the world and ends up humping a Ruck with the Marines

I once saw a t-shirt that said "The Marines already have a few good men: Navy Corpsmen."


LOL
 
2011-08-30 05:06:33 PM  

Teufelaffe: spongeboob: since others are pointing out more than ten rights in the bill of rights here goes more than 5 branches of MilitaryDefense
Army
Navy
Marines
Air Force
Special Operation Command Delta Force, SEALS, Rangers, Air Force Special Operations and Aviation Units, I think they have Force Recon Marines now
Coast Guard
Border Patrol, guarding our borders, carry guns, uniformed
CIA paramilitaries
Department of Energy Nuclear Energy Suport Teams
FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team
State Department's Mobile Security Deployment
United States Merchant Marine in times of war are auxiliary to the Navy,
and there are a few I'm sure I'm missing

You forgot the FEMA stormtroopers that are going to herd us all into indoctrination camps once Ayatollah Barrack HUSSEIN Fartbongo takes over the government with an Autopen in one hand and a teleprompter in the other, leading us into a new Darkie Age.


No I didn't mention them because we are not supposed to talk abo shiat now I'm might end up in the camps as well.
 
2011-08-30 05:12:16 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: Nabb1: Not for nothing, but, IIRC, DailyKos is where I first read about that "Mommy is a Democrat" book.

I did find a DK diary linking to that littledemocrats.net site too but it was just a random Kossack so didn't bother

You should have bothered, than you could do some textbook both-sides-are-badin.


I really don't think the book in this article is in the same vein as outright "Go Team" rah-rah nonsense that "Why Mommy is a Democrat" seems to be. I think the poutrage over this book in the article is pretty overblown.
 
2011-08-30 05:23:18 PM  

Nabb1: Headso: skullkrusher: Nabb1: Not for nothing, but, IIRC, DailyKos is where I first read about that "Mommy is a Democrat" book.

I did find a DK diary linking to that littledemocrats.net site too but it was just a random Kossack so didn't bother

You should have bothered, than you could do some textbook both-sides-are-badin.

I really don't think the book in this article is in the same vein as outright "Go Team" rah-rah nonsense that "Why Mommy is a Democrat" seems to be. I think the poutrage over this book in the article is pretty overblown.


Those books are stupid and I wouldn't buy one but they are hardly hiding what they are.
 
2011-08-30 05:25:21 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: Nabb1: Not for nothing, but, IIRC, DailyKos is where I first read about that "Mommy is a Democrat" book.

I did find a DK diary linking to that littledemocrats.net site too but it was just a random Kossack so didn't bother

You should have bothered, than you could do some textbook both-sides-are-badin.


nah, was the only diary entry the user ever made
 
2011-08-30 06:13:30 PM  
FTA: My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men. He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles. So you can see why this is the kind of book I can feel good about reading with my son.

In all seriousness, this is an unhealthy obsession with the US military. Yes, the US military is powerful, but I don't want to live in a country where the art of war is put onto a pedestal as a virtue. This has progressed far beyond respect for the men and women who sacrifice for our country to almost a Klingon point of "We need to make battles to make heroes".
 
2011-08-30 06:37:02 PM  

Rapmaster2000: In a time when fewer and fewer schools recite the Pledge of Allegiance each morning,

This is a classic "how do you know this?"


I don't know where this allegedly happening. My kids go to a sickeningly progressive school in a disgustingly liberal part of LA and they do the PoA every morning.
 
2011-08-30 06:38:31 PM  
I found a random interview of the woman who wrote the book. What's interesting is she and the book keeps saying, "The Ten Amendments" over and over.

Which in no way is a callback to the ten commandments. really.
 
2011-08-30 06:51:21 PM  
My favorite is "Seven Rays on the Statue of Liberty." I was born in Jersey City, NJ, in the shadow of Lady Liberty. I would see her while driving on the NJ Turnpike or down the west side highway and remember how people all over the world only dream of seeing that beacon of hope.

...even though it was given to us by those godless, socialist, dirty, cowardly FRENCH!
 
2011-08-30 07:30:03 PM  

TheBigJerk: I found a random interview of the woman who wrote the book. What's interesting is she and the book keeps saying, "The Ten Amendments" over and over.

Which in no way is a callback to the ten commandments. really.


Good catch, now I wonder if it is on purpose or if she isn't even aware of it.
 
2011-08-30 07:53:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: In a time when fewer and fewer schools recite the Pledge of Allegiance each morning,

This is a classic "how do you know this?"


Because if they were, they'd be a lot more respectful of God and Our Country. Obviously. Just the act of saying the Pledge makes you a Patriot (tm).
 
2011-08-30 08:04:41 PM  
I think I was in 5th or 6th grade when I was given, along with every other student, a free book. I believe it might have been distributed by an insurance company or something, but it was free.

Copies of all the major US historical documents, explanations of how the government worked, amendments to the Constitution, and a boat load of other things. I think I must have read it or parts of of it dozens of times. I probably learned more from it than Civics class.

And there was no agenda behind it. It was just a collection of data.
 
2011-08-30 08:20:48 PM  

randomjsa: I think I was in 5th or 6th grade when I was given, along with every other student, a free book. I believe it might have been distributed by an insurance company or something, but it was free.

Copies of all the major US historical documents, explanations of how the government worked, amendments to the Constitution, and a boat load of other things. I think I must have read it or parts of of it dozens of times. I probably learned more from it than Civics class.

And there was no agenda behind it. It was just a collection of data.


You should probably find that book and re-read it. Your Teabagger mentality needs a refresher course.
 
2011-08-30 08:33:37 PM  
I think we're forgetting the author'shiatability

bighollywood.breitbart.com

/stealing bandwidth from breitbart
 
2011-08-30 08:52:56 PM  

smartaleq: highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

I assume this is a troll and I'm biting. If so, sorry :-(

Marines, Coast Guard


There are seven uniformed services in America. Why do they hate the public health services and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administrations?
 
2011-08-30 08:53:31 PM  

highbrow45: Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.

smartaleq: Marines, Coast Guard


But the Constitution only authorizes the Army and Navy.
Will no member of the Tea Party have the courage to call for disbanding of these unconstitutional government agencies?

Nabb1: It's a children's book. It's supposed to be watered down and simplified.


Yeah, but there's a difference between "watered down" and "homeopathic". Schoolhouse Rock did it at a level that is accessible for K-5, but still suitable for opening up college courses without irony.
 
2011-08-30 09:32:40 PM  

ultraholland: I think we're forgetting the author'shiatability

[bighollywood.breitbart.com image 127x150]

/stealing bandwidth from breitbart


Filter pwned. A good one too
 
2011-08-30 10:52:58 PM  

highbrow45: "Five branches fight to keep us free.
To protect us and our liberty."


Army, Air Force, Navy... I only count three branches.


Marines. The fith would probablt be the Reserves
 
2011-08-30 11:12:58 PM  

Nabb1: I can tell this has upset some folks a bit, so just rest assured, there are options for you as well:

Why Mommy is a Democrat (new window)

Or

Mommy Voted for Obama (new window)

I mean, why just give your kids a taste of the Kool Aid when you can dunk their heads in it?


To be fair, the page with the aardvark eating Ants-on-a-Log with actual ants instead of raisins was a clever bit of visual punnery.
 
2011-08-30 11:35:50 PM  

penthesilea: God only knows why, but when my son was four he believed that Dick Cheney was the white dude that was shown to be Darth Vader when he was unmasked. Couldn't convince him otherwise. He absolutely thought that the guy was some kind of bigger-than-life villain.


If only he knew....
 
2011-08-31 03:28:51 AM  

karnal: This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff


Ever notice that all the things you accuse others of are imaginary?
 
2011-08-31 06:06:49 AM  
It's a thin line between patriotism and propaganda. This book plows over the line in an H2 whilst giving it the finger. I was raised to respect the flag and veterans but I was never trained on the whole hagiography of The Five Services.

We mock totalitarian countries that brainwash children about great revolutionary heroes and the infallibility of the army as an agent of The People's Will, but really, how is this different?

"My son has a Ronald Reagan action figure (okay, maybe it's not an action figure but I refuse to call it a doll) in his room along with Navy SEAL posters and plenty of little green army men. He plays with toy guns and wears camouflage pants and says "Semper fi" to any Marine we come across in an airport or at Costco. We're not exactly the typical family you might find on the west side of Los Angeles. So you can see why this is the kind of book I can feel good about reading with my son."

No, you're obnoxiously smug and "non-conformist" for Republican Jesus, so that's OK.
 
2011-08-31 08:04:47 AM  
Hickory-smoked

karnal: This reminds me of the Dims using The Story of Stuff to brainwash children.


"It's the government's job to take care of us." - The Story of Stuff

Ever notice that all the things you accuse others of are imaginary?



What exactly is imaginary about what I said.....there is a childrens video out there called The Story of Stuff that has a very definite liberal slant to it and the quote is from the video. If you don't think there is a problem with this form of propaganda - from either side - with indoctrinate children with stuff like this, then I hope to God (hope I didn't offend you with the G word) you don't have kids.


/PETA for Kids
//Camp America
///Help! Mom! There are liberals Under My Bed
////ConservativeKids.net

Where does it stop?
 
2011-08-31 08:57:37 AM  
Headline is a lie.
 
2011-08-31 12:52:27 PM  

karnal: What exactly is imaginary about what I said.....


The last part. About it being the government's job to take care of us. That quote doesn't appear in the video, and it's a strawman argument of your own paranoid fantasies and projections about what you think other people believe, but don't.

then I hope to God (hope I didn't offend you with the G word)

See? You keep doing it.
 
2011-08-31 01:28:54 PM  
The_Homeless_Guy:
Eh there actually aren't that many pure polytheist religions left. People commonly cite Hindu, however many Hindu, believe that each "god" is really a different form of a supreme god (this is the viewpoint of Smartism). Unitarians have varied beliefs, but often fall in line with the "different forms" approach as well.

Atheists are still out of luck.


There's also Shinto, which retains a fairly large following in Japan, the Traditional Chinese religions are also polytheistic, although they're losing ground to Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Islam and Christianity. Then there's the animist traditions which remain popular throughout Africa, most of which haven't really got names other than "The ancestral religious practices of this ethnic group," and they still make a pretty decent showing, even in majority Muslim and/or Christian countries.
 
2011-08-31 04:28:17 PM  
Hickory-smoked

karnal: What exactly is imaginary about what I said.....

The last part. About it being the government's job to take care of us. That quote doesn't appear in the video, and it's a strawman argument of your own paranoid fantasies and projections about what you think other people believe, but don't.

then I hope to God (hope I didn't offend you with the G word)

See? You keep doing it.


Probably need to go back, watch it again, and this time put your listening ears on. At 2:13 she tells us It's the government's job to take care of us.

Just because you missed us doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
2011-08-31 04:58:42 PM  

karnal: Probably need to go back, watch it again, and this time put your listening ears on. At 2:13 she tells us It's the government's job to take care of us.

Just because you missed us doesn't mean it didn't happen.


Hey... you know what? I was mistaken. That quote does appear in the video, though you did mangle it somewhat.

In context, Annie Leonard was saying that in a government like ours, "of the people, by the people and for the people," its job is to "watch out for us, take care of us." This is in contrast to a corporation, who's only job is to generate profits for shareholders. Now, whether you think "taking care of us" should be a big role or a small role, can you really disagree with the basic premise? What is a democratic government's function, if not to insure the interests of it's citizens?
 
2011-09-01 10:39:18 AM  

Hickory-smoked: What is a democratic government's function, if not to insure the interests of it's citizens?


A government's job is to cut taxes on the job creators, duh!
 
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