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2011-08-29 12:34:28 PM

Swoop1809: Is VW quality really as bad as I have been hearing lately? Or was it bad in the 2000's and is starting to rebound? I really like the looks of the 2012 Beetle Turbo and its on my list of cars I would consider buying next summer.


We've had ours for almost two years and while it's still under warranty it's been nothing but reliable. The only thing that's gone wrong is the latch that holds up the adjustable center armrest.

But I know a fantastic, reasonable VW mechanic nearby so I'm prepared.
 
2011-08-29 12:38:32 PM

Swoop1809: Is VW quality really as bad as I have been hearing lately? Or was it bad in the 2000's and is starting to rebound? I really like the looks of the 2012 Beetle Turbo and its on my list of cars I would consider buying next summer.

If diesel was closer in prie to gas I would consider the TDI, but with it already costing more to buy the TDI option and diesel being more expensive I dont think I would make up the cost just on the better mileage.


It's been WAY better recently (2008-). They've really made huge strides apparently.
 
2011-08-29 12:39:04 PM

3StratMan: FrancoFile: 3StratMan: flaminio: Somehow I doubt the Veyron and Bentley owners care about their MPGs. (Fun fact: a Veyron at full throttle will consume an entire tank of gasoline in 12 minutes.)

And as mentioned above, an 11-person van will do OK in terms of MPG per person.

The real horrorshows of the list are the pick-up trucks. I see lots of these on the road every day, stuck in commuter traffic, with only the driver inside. If you have a big pick-up truck, and you're not some kind of construction worker, you've failed at life. Sorry.

Judging pick-up truck drivers without knowing each of their individual situations shows you're failing at life, buddy. Unless you know the story about the lone guy you see in the pick-up stuck in traffic, STFU.

The payments we make for our crossover and pick-up don't allow us to have another vehicle, so my pick-up is my daily driver. I'm not "some kind of construction worker", but my pick-up sure does come in handy towing my 23 foot camper, with a boat riding on top of the truck, loaded with gear, to take my family camping in the U.P. of Michigan several times a year. Or for hauling the mulch, top soil and other yard stuff the wife wants to fix up the yard with every spring. Or when any of the family or friends need help moving some furniture or appliances from point A to B. Or when I have to haul my 110 gallon smoker to cook BBQ for a party. Get back to me when you figure out how to do any of that in a Prius.

Own the car with good mileage.

Rent the truck from Enterprise on the weekends when you need the hauler. They are super-cheap - $70/day all in or less. I know lots of urban dwellers who do this.

That makes no sense, except for maybe a know-it-all Farker. I still need 2 vehicles to get me and the wife to our jobs. Your idea calls for me to make 2 monthly vehicle payments PLUS rental fees at least 2 or 3 times a month when I need to rent a truck to haul stuff. Also, who knows what kind of piece of crap rental truck I will get when I'm done waiting 30 minutes or more in line at the rental place, plus the time I'll spend disinfecting it since I'm not sure if the 3 people who rented it before me actually washed their hands after they took that shiat before returning the truck. I also don't really know the maintenance record of the vehicle I'm renting, so I don't know if I can really trust it to haul my family, the boat and the camper on a 1200 mile trip to the U.P. and back without some major problem. And it surely doesn't have a winch built on to pull me out if I get stuck on the 2-track on the way to my secret fishing lake.

You plan only makes sense for Prius owners hell bent on saving the world.


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2011-08-29 12:39:31 PM
Just last week I bought a new fully loaded 2011 Ford Fiesta (with custom graphix & spoiler) because I got a promotion at my company. It gets 38 MPG, thank you kindly. But get this, I went to Best Buy to buy some cables to hook up my 280-watt subwoofer. Parking lot was fairly full near the front so I parked all the way in the rear of the lot to avoid getting dents and dings. You know how it is. Well, I get out of Best Buy with my cables, a couple DVDs (impulse buy, batch), and a bottle of Disani. And what do I discover? Some jackass in a Dodge Ram parked right next to my Fiesta despite that fact I took up two spaces so someone wouldn't do that. People.
 
2011-08-29 12:41:38 PM

GimpyNip: Just last week I bought a new fully loaded 2011 Ford Fiesta (with custom graphix & spoiler) because I got a promotion at my company. It gets 38 MPG, thank you kindly. But get this, I went to Best Buy to buy some cables to hook up my 280-watt subwoofer. Parking lot was fairly full near the front so I parked all the way in the rear of the lot to avoid getting dents and dings. You know how it is. Well, I get out of Best Buy with my cables, a couple DVDs (impulse buy, batch), and a bottle of Disani. And what do I discover? Some jackass in a Dodge Ram parked right next to my Fiesta despite that fact I took up two spaces so someone wouldn't do that. People.


But did you get the Monster Cables?!
 
2011-08-29 12:43:02 PM

apeiron242: If you can afford/want an Escalade, you don't care about how much gas it uses. These people are sociopaths.


I've never met an Escalade driver who wasn't a complete dick. They think they own the freaking road because they are too stupid to know that they are buying a very expensive POS. Only a redneck who has come into a bit of cash will drive a Cadillac (any model).
 
2011-08-29 12:44:15 PM

Shazam999: Swoop1809: Is VW quality really as bad as I have been hearing lately? Or was it bad in the 2000's and is starting to rebound? I really like the looks of the 2012 Beetle Turbo and its on my list of cars I would consider buying next summer.

If diesel was closer in prie to gas I would consider the TDI, but with it already costing more to buy the TDI option and diesel being more expensive I dont think I would make up the cost just on the better mileage.

It's been WAY better recently (2008-). They've really made huge strides apparently.


From everything i've heard, VWs are pretty great EXCEPT for the electical systems, but the mechanical stuff, especially the diesels last FOREVER.
 
2011-08-29 12:45:23 PM

GimpyNip: despite that fact I took up two spaces so someone wouldn't do that


When you take up multiple spaces for any car, even in a fairly deserted lot, you're crying aloud for somebody to mess with you.

There's no shortage of people who don't like the fact that somebody else has something nice, whether it's a BMW, Dodge Ram, or Ford Fiesta. Parking way out by yourself in a new car, especially using multiple spaces, is calling these idiots' attention down on you.

Besides, what the hell did you expect to happen? You didn't bother parking inside the lines, what makes you think everybody else is magically constrained by painted lines?
 
2011-08-29 12:47:22 PM

Loaf's Tray: 3StratMan: FrancoFile: 3StratMan: flaminio: Somehow I doubt the Veyron and Bentley owners care about their MPGs. (Fun fact: a Veyron at full throttle will consume an entire tank of gasoline in 12 minutes.)

And as mentioned above, an 11-person van will do OK in terms of MPG per person.

The real horrorshows of the list are the pick-up trucks. I see lots of these on the road every day, stuck in commuter traffic, with only the driver inside. If you have a big pick-up truck, and you're not some kind of construction worker, you've failed at life. Sorry.

Judging pick-up truck drivers without knowing each of their individual situations shows you're failing at life, buddy. Unless you know the story about the lone guy you see in the pick-up stuck in traffic, STFU.

The payments we make for our crossover and pick-up don't allow us to have another vehicle, so my pick-up is my daily driver. I'm not "some kind of construction worker", but my pick-up sure does come in handy towing my 23 foot camper, with a boat riding on top of the truck, loaded with gear, to take my family camping in the U.P. of Michigan several times a year. Or for hauling the mulch, top soil and other yard stuff the wife wants to fix up the yard with every spring. Or when any of the family or friends need help moving some furniture or appliances from point A to B. Or when I have to haul my 110 gallon smoker to cook BBQ for a party. Get back to me when you figure out how to do any of that in a Prius.

Own the car with good mileage.

Rent the truck from Enterprise on the weekends when you need the hauler. They are super-cheap - $70/day all in or less. I know lots of urban dwellers who do this.

That makes no sense, except for maybe a know-it-all Farker. I still need 2 vehicles to get me and the wife to our jobs. Your idea calls for me to make 2 monthly vehicle payments PLUS rental fees at least 2 or 3 times a month when I need to rent a truck to haul stuff. Also, who knows what kind of piece of crap rental truck I will get when I'm done waiting 30 minutes or more in line at the rental place, plus the time I'll spend disinfecting it since I'm not sure if the 3 people who rented it before me actually washed their hands after they took that shiat before returning the truck. I also don't really know the maintenance record of the vehicle I'm renting, so I don't know if I can really trust it to haul my family, the boat and the camper on a 1200 mile trip to the U.P. and back without some major problem. And it surely doesn't have a winch built on to pull me out if I get stuck on the 2-track on the way to my secret fishing lake.

You plan only makes sense for Prius owners hell bent on saving the world.

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Obviously you've never been using a public restroom and seen anyone walk out of a stall and right out the door without washing their hands first. If you haven't, when you finally do, go ahead and grab the same door handle as they did to open the door on the way out and tell me you'll fell good about it.
 
2011-08-29 12:47:35 PM

ConstitutionGuy: //know plenty of people with Escalades, Yukons, etc. - not one of them has ever express a desire to destroy the planet as fast as possible.


The fact that they're driving them even in this day & age and STILL don't care speaks volumes about themselves.
 
2011-08-29 12:48:02 PM

JackieRabbit: Only a redneck who has come into a bit of cash will drive a Cadillac (any model).



I don't like GM, and you can tall me a 'neck if you want, but I'll take one of these any day:

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2011-08-29 12:48:03 PM

JackieRabbit: apeiron242: If you can afford/want an Escalade, you don't care about how much gas it uses. These people are sociopaths.

I've never met an Escalade driver who wasn't a complete dick. They think they own the freaking road because they are too stupid to know that they are buying a very expensive POS. Only a redneck who has come into a bit of cash will drive a Cadillac (any model).


You know it's a real shame because I'd like a CTS-V for the performance numbers, but every Cadillac is so gauche. You don't want to be associated with this.

www.mamapop.com
 
2011-08-29 12:49:28 PM

Cyno01: From everything i've heard, VWs are pretty great EXCEPT for the electical systems, but the mechanical stuff, especially the diesels last FOREVER.


I had a 1990 Jetta in college where the electrical main burned out while I was sitting at a stop light. I was late for class so I had to get there with no gauges or lights. (Thankfully it wasn't raining.) The next day I was crawling around Harry's U-Pull-It and got the new part for just the $2 entry fee.
 
2011-08-29 12:50:04 PM

3StratMan:
Obviously you've never been using a public restroom and seen anyone walk out of a stall and right out the door without washing their hands first. If you haven't, when you finally do, go ahead and grab the same door handle as they did to open the door on the way out and tell me you'll fell good about it.


Oh heavens! Not that! Germs! Germs! Let me get the baby wipes out of my purse. Do you have any Purell?
 
2011-08-29 12:50:10 PM

JackieRabbit: apeiron242: If you can afford/want an Escalade, you don't care about how much gas it uses. These people are sociopaths.

I've never met an Escalade driver who wasn't a complete dick. They think they own the freaking road because they are too stupid to know that they are buying a very expensive POS. Only a redneck who has come into a bit of cash will drive a Cadillac (any model).


Last summer I saw a bright shiny new-ish BMW (318 I think, don't really know Bimmers) with a 2" receiver hitch on the back sporting big blue truck nutz. I was sure some hillbilly hit the lotto...
 
2011-08-29 12:53:14 PM

MadMattressMack: My sister has a Naviagator, but before people start talking about how she hates her fellow Americans can they explain how to haul 3 kids, 2 adults, gear, and be able to pull a 6,000+ lbs stock trailer using a Prius? We'd all like to know as it does cost a lot of money to operate. But she hasn't found another vehicle with those capabilities.


The 3 kids and trailer were a choice. She can pay extra for those choices. I have no sympathy for someone whose hobbies require a big gas guzzler.
 
2011-08-29 12:53:41 PM
For those of you biatching about needing a truck to haul family around...

I drove a Kia Rio for eight years. Hauled family of three, three large dogs, plus groceries in the trunk. It wasn't comfortable, but it worked.

/ crappy car
 
2011-08-29 12:54:02 PM

3StratMan: Obviously you've never been using a public restroom and seen anyone walk out of a stall and right out the door without washing their hands first. If you haven't, when you finally do, go ahead and grab the same door handle as they did to open the door on the way out and tell me you'll fell good about it.


Just keeping my fingers out of my mouth has served me adequately so far...
 
2011-08-29 12:55:26 PM

3StratMan: Obviously you've never been using a public restroom and seen anyone walk out of a stall and right out the door without washing their hands first. If you haven't, when you finally do, go ahead and grab the same door handle as they did to open the door on the way out and tell me you'll fell good about it.


This is getting close to tissue-boxes-on-the-feet crazy.
 
2011-08-29 12:57:20 PM

Rapmaster2000: 3StratMan:
Obviously you've never been using a public restroom and seen anyone walk out of a stall and right out the door without washing their hands first. If you haven't, when you finally do, go ahead and grab the same door handle as they did to open the door on the way out and tell me you'll fell good about it.

Oh heavens! Not that! Germs! Germs! Let me get the baby wipes out of my purse. Do you have any Purell?


I for one don't welcome the fecal matter of others to intrude into my everyday life. Call me crazy.
 
2011-08-29 12:58:09 PM

dcrowell: For those of you biatching about needing a truck to haul family around...

I drove a Kia Rio for eight years. Hauled family of three, three large dogs, plus groceries in the trunk. It wasn't comfortable, but it worked.

/ crappy car


I enjoy driving, comfort isn't an option.
 
2011-08-29 12:58:16 PM

fatalvenom: I don't like GM, and you can tall me a 'neck if you want, but I'll take one of these any day:


It's your money. Waste it if you want. That is a pretty car, but Caddy's are notoriously unreliable and over-priced. They haven't built a good car since the 1960s.
 
2011-08-29 12:58:34 PM

Rapmaster2000: But did you get the Monster Cables?!


I had to get the Monster Cables. They're the only ones that are gold plated and can withstand the heat of a New England summer and the extreme cold of the winter's in Boston. At first I was just going to get some generic cooper but after I listened to Sammy I took the kid's advice. Besides, it was only like a $20 difference per cable (remember they're guaranteed for life) and when you're already paying mucho dinero for your car stereo you probably shouldn't cheapen your experience with subpar cables. Especially if you expect Concert hall quality sound while driving in your car.
 
2011-08-29 12:58:57 PM

3StratMan: Rapmaster2000: 3StratMan:
Obviously you've never been using a public restroom and seen anyone walk out of a stall and right out the door without washing their hands first. If you haven't, when you finally do, go ahead and grab the same door handle as they did to open the door on the way out and tell me you'll fell good about it.

Oh heavens! Not that! Germs! Germs! Let me get the baby wipes out of my purse. Do you have any Purell?

I for one don't welcome the fecal matter of others to intrude into my everyday life. Call me crazy.


Let me guess; you refuse to buy used cars because of all the farts in the seats, right?
 
2011-08-29 12:59:49 PM

Worst.Fark handle. ever.: ConstitutionGuy: //know plenty of people with Escalades, Yukons, etc. - not one of them has ever express a desire to destroy the planet as fast as possible.

The fact that they're driving them even in this day & age and STILL don't care speaks volumes about themselves.


Was there an election that I missed? Or is your position appointed?
 
2011-08-29 01:00:08 PM
The argument for "I need an x" goes out the window when you realize in a lot of country's like great britain or all of europe for that matter pickups aren't common at all. And those countries have farms, and winter and mud too. Most of it is cultural. Also it's opportunity cost, if you can afford a F350 Mega-cab to drive yourself to work then you'll probably do it. In the rest of the world it's not usually practical from a fuel economy, insurance, registration standpoint. A lot of this is a society thing as we basically deincentivized living in cities after WWII, everyone got the house in the burbs, and no one ever bothered to pay for good public transportation.

I bought a house close to work and walk to work, In LA all I drove was motorcycles. I own a flatbed truck, but I only use it to haul gear, and by gear I mean things that weigh in the tons

As an observation in Japan even contractors and construction crews don't own pickup trucks, and don't act like they don't have mountains or snow that need 4WD, They seem to do just fine.
 
2011-08-29 01:05:12 PM

dcrowell: For those of you biatching about needing a truck to haul family around...

I drove a Kia Rio for eight years. Hauled family of three, three large dogs, plus groceries in the trunk. It wasn't comfortable, but it worked.

/ crappy car


Meh - I do a decent amount (trying to more, in fact) amount of off-roading. On top of that, we like to travel to see relatives (with dog, normal gear, etc). We mountain bike and are outside pretty much every weekend. While we could do most of that without an SUV, but the Xterra makes it all possible - including the off-roading.

Best car for our particular situation. Not that people don't buy vehicles just for looks or what have you, but making generalizations tends to fail.
 
2011-08-29 01:05:24 PM

Berz: Gramma: Kit Fister: F150, huh? So that Eco-boost is BS?

/glad he didn't buy the F150.
//Shoulda bought a 2500 with a diesel, though.
///And a plow.
////that name again is Mr. plow...

I drive an F150, 2008 so no ecoboost and I get 17mpg in the city.

I wish I got 17mpg city. I have an 04 f-150 with the v8 and I get around 13 mpg with mixed driving. Driving this until it falls apart then downsizing. No longer have the need for a truck that I used to.


I drive like an old lady.
 
2011-08-29 01:06:19 PM

akula: GimpyNip: despite that fact I took up two spaces so someone wouldn't do that

When you take up multiple spaces for any car, even in a fairly deserted lot, you're crying aloud for somebody to mess with you.

There's no shortage of people who don't like the fact that somebody else has something nice, whether it's a BMW, Dodge Ram, or Ford Fiesta. Parking way out by yourself in a new car, especially using multiple spaces, is calling these idiots' attention down on you.

Besides, what the hell did you expect to happen? You didn't bother parking inside the lines, what makes you think everybody else is magically constrained by painted lines?


Look, my car is canary yellow with some body art detailing. If it gets a scratch it is going to show up and it isn't going to be cheap to fix. I'm motivated enough to walk all the way across the lot to Best Buy. It's like several hundred yards. Most people aren't willing to do this for their piece of mind. I am. That's how I play the game.
 
2011-08-29 01:06:36 PM

MetaRinka: The argument for "I need an x" goes out the window when you realize in a lot of country's like great britain or all of europe for that matter pickups aren't common at all. And those countries have farms, and winter and mud too. Most of it is cultural. Also it's opportunity cost, if you can afford a F350 Mega-cab to drive yourself to work then you'll probably do it. In the rest of the world it's not usually practical from a fuel economy, insurance, registration standpoint. A lot of this is a society thing as we basically deincentivized living in cities after WWII, everyone got the house in the burbs, and no one ever bothered to pay for good public transportation.

I bought a house close to work and walk to work, In LA all I drove was motorcycles. I own a flatbed truck, but I only use it to haul gear, and by gear I mean things that weigh in the tons

As an observation in Japan even contractors and construction crews don't own pickup trucks, and don't act like they don't have mountains or snow that need 4WD, They seem to do just fine.


No it doesn't. See my post, immediately prior to this.
 
2011-08-29 01:06:44 PM

3StratMan: Rapmaster2000: 3StratMan:
Obviously you've never been using a public restroom and seen anyone walk out of a stall and right out the door without washing their hands first. If you haven't, when you finally do, go ahead and grab the same door handle as they did to open the door on the way out and tell me you'll fell good about it.

Oh heavens! Not that! Germs! Germs! Let me get the baby wipes out of my purse. Do you have any Purell?

I for one don't welcome the fecal matter of others to intrude into my everyday life. Call me crazy.


The Chinese kid that assembled your sneakers probably rubbed one out two or three times before he finished the pair (they have a huge shortage of females over there, you know). How do your toes feel right now?
 
2011-08-29 01:09:15 PM

ronaprhys: No it doesn't. See my post, immediately prior to this.


You "need" an SUV for your hobbies. His point still stands.
 
2011-08-29 01:10:28 PM
It's also BS that because you live in snow country, you have to have a big pickup or SUV. There's millions of us living in snow country who drive little sedans. There's also these things called snow tires. I discovered snow tires when I moved to a place at the top of a mountain. I didn't "have to have" a new pickup.
 
2011-08-29 01:10:41 PM
Meh. My '71 Toro got around 7mpg and comfortably seated only two.

i.imm.io

/455cu FTW.
//I'd get another one in a heartbeat.
///But the fam says No No No.
 
2011-08-29 01:12:46 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Worst.Fark handle. ever.: ConstitutionGuy: //know plenty of people with Escalades, Yukons, etc. - not one of them has ever express a desire to destroy the planet as fast as possible.

The fact that they're driving them even in this day & age and STILL don't care speaks volumes about themselves.

Was there an election that I missed? Or is your position appointed?


Gee. You're not defensive. Not one bit. Nosirree.
 
2011-08-29 01:18:14 PM
Do you people hear yourselves?

"SUV's and big trucks waste gas."

"Well, I like to boat, hunt, ski, etc and prefer to have a big 4x4."

"That's your problem and your choice, nobody really 'needs' and SUV."

"Wait, technically, aren't ALL cars bad for the environment on some level?"

"Well, yes, but we need transportation."

"So who decides the what the acceptable maximum level of size/mileage of a vehicle is?"

"Well, I do of course."

"Fark off!"
 
2011-08-29 01:18:40 PM

MetaRinka: The argument for "I need an x" goes out the window when you realize in a lot of country's like great britain or all of europe for that matter pickups aren't common at all. And those countries have farms, and winter and mud too. Most of it is cultural. Also it's opportunity cost, if you can afford a F350 Mega-cab to drive yourself to work then you'll probably do it. In the rest of the world it's not usually practical from a fuel economy, insurance, registration standpoint. A lot of this is a society thing as we basically deincentivized living in cities after WWII, everyone got the house in the burbs, and no one ever bothered to pay for good public transportation.

I bought a house close to work and walk to work, In LA all I drove was motorcycles. I own a flatbed truck, but I only use it to haul gear, and by gear I mean things that weigh in the tons

As an observation in Japan even contractors and construction crews don't own pickup trucks, and don't act like they don't have mountains or snow that need 4WD, They seem to do just fine.


That's why wagons are so popular with the Euros. Storage space comparable to a small-ish SUV(Explorer type, not an Excursion), better MPGs, and takes up less space. Just youtube one of the many wagon reviews/comparisons they've done on Top Gear. It's amazing what a smart person with a wagon can accomplish that most people think only an SUV is capable of.

Frankly, I never understood why we, as Americans, seem to stop using station wagons. Station wagons were everywhere for awhile. Now everyone thinks you need a fricken humvee because you had 1 kid. I mean you can still haul boats and other toys with them no problem(hell I've hauled a boat with my 3-series Bimmer a couple times). There really are very few reasons that justify SUV/Truck ownership, and if you fit that category more power to you. Even if it's just the occasional run to Home Depot. It's the jackasses that wont even haul stuff in the bed of their truck for fear of scratching it that piss me off. Mostly because those same idiots are the ones who can't even see me in my teeny BMW because they lifted their truck another 18". Makes me feel bad for bikers who end up near them.
 
2011-08-29 01:18:42 PM

cryinoutloud: It's also BS that because you live in snow country, you have to have a big pickup or SUV. There's millions of us living in snow country who drive little sedans. There's also these things called snow tires. I discovered snow tires when I moved to a place at the top of a mountain. I didn't "have to have" a new pickup.


Its impossible to drive more than 2 minutes in Vermont without seeing one of those little Suburus.
 
2011-08-29 01:19:24 PM

tricycleracer: ronaprhys: No it doesn't. See my post, immediately prior to this.

You "need" an SUV for your hobbies. His point still stands.


Wrong - for many of the countries that he mentioned, the prevalence of said hobbies simply doesn't exist.

Secondly, a large part of my hobby doesn't exist without the SUV. Since maintaining two separate vehicles doesn't work for the vast majority of people, my point stands. I've purchased the vehicle that has the best combination of qualities for how my wife and I live our lives. It's not a "look", it's how the vehicle is actually used.
 
2011-08-29 01:21:29 PM
i43.tinypic.com
Packing a bunch of crap into an '02 prius. Five people and assorted ski/board gear. Took it up Stratton mountain during a 3 day, four foot snow dump.
 
2011-08-29 01:21:48 PM
As I'm driving a 1973 f250 and get 4/8mpg I'm getting kicked in the gas tank. He'll even my Harley only gets about 20mpg on the highway.

Yes I'm thinking of switching to one of the Kawasaki 250s.
 
2011-08-29 01:22:34 PM

I Mash Grains: Its impossible to drive more than 2 minutes in Vermont without seeing one of those little Suburus


Same here. Although my town has a lot of Hondas, some places I've been (Bozeman and Jackson Hole) I'd estimate 1 in 3 vehicles is a Subaru, if it's not something much bigger.
 
2011-08-29 01:22:40 PM

I Mash Grains: cryinoutloud: It's also BS that because you live in snow country, you have to have a big pickup or SUV. There's millions of us living in snow country who drive little sedans. There's also these things called snow tires. I discovered snow tires when I moved to a place at the top of a mountain. I didn't "have to have" a new pickup.

Its impossible to drive more than 2 minutes in Vermont without seeing one of those little Suburus.


If you're never going to go actually off-roading, Subarus are great. AWD, very nice amounts of storage, good mileage, etc. In fact, if I wasn't ever going to go off-road, I find it personally difficult to justify an Xterra, but since I do, it works.

Plus, the short commute works out pretty well. I might burn 2 -2.5 gallons/week on my commute.
 
2011-08-29 01:25:03 PM
msnbcmedia.msn.com

I was in a Lexus dealership not too long ago and didn't see this car. Looks nice!
Is it like the big brother of the IS 350? is it over $50K?
 
2011-08-29 01:25:31 PM

Thunderpipes: For 90% of hybrid owners, it is a status symbol as well. They don't care about money, they care about their feelings and saving the environment.


I looked at a few hybrids. By the time I found one I was willing to spend 2 hours of my life a day in I couldn't justify the cost. They only really save if you do a lot of around town driving and 95% of my trip is on the highway so the extra couple miles to the gallon wasn't going to offset the price of the car. I kinda liked the Camry, Accord, and Fusion Hybrids. But the extra gas mileage didn't offset the difference in the price of the vehicle. And I liked the interior in the Buick much better.
 
2011-08-29 01:26:01 PM

fireclown: [i43.tinypic.com image 640x480]
Packing a bunch of crap into an '02 prius. Five people and assorted ski/board gear. Took it up Stratton mountain during a 3 day, four foot snow dump.


You know how I know you're gay?
 
2011-08-29 01:30:49 PM

SuperNinjaToad: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 598x398]

I was in a Lexus dealership not too long ago and didn't see this car. Looks nice!
Is it like the big brother of the IS 350? is it over $50K?


just a tad over $50K.... insert another zero somewhere between the 5 and the decimal point

but be very careful where you drive, "Worst.Fark handle. ever.: " may be reading your mind and jumping to conclusions!
 
2011-08-29 01:33:12 PM

Cyno01: Shazam999: Swoop1809: Is VW quality really as bad as I have been hearing lately? Or was it bad in the 2000's and is starting to rebound? I really like the looks of the 2012 Beetle Turbo and its on my list of cars I would consider buying next summer.

If diesel was closer in prie to gas I would consider the TDI, but with it already costing more to buy the TDI option and diesel being more expensive I dont think I would make up the cost just on the better mileage.

It's been WAY better recently (2008-). They've really made huge strides apparently.

From everything i've heard, VWs are pretty great EXCEPT for the electical systems, but the mechanical stuff, especially the diesels last FOREVER.


Nah, they've been pretty crappy all around. The new ones even have electrical that holds up though.
 
2011-08-29 01:34:04 PM

Ant: Earpj: Ant: 0.0416 MPG and it only carries one person! WTF?

[rocksolidshifts.com image 400x300]

Not to mention that parallel parking it is a real biatch.

And they tend to crash a lot.

Turning radius sucks too.


Neighbors tend to complain about the 6:30a.m. get to work times.
 
2011-08-29 01:34:36 PM
'99 park avenue. 27.5 MPG on a recent trip to Wisconsin at 75-80mph. Computer said I got 28.1 but it is never exactly right. Big, comfortable, and good enough gas mileage. Usually I get 24-25 MPG in mixed driving. Easy enough to work on.
 
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