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(Guardian)   How to talk to morons about climate change. Explaining that the Sun is mass of incandescent gas is a good place to start   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 203
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2011-08-26 08:10:55 AM  
No, it's more like a gigantic nuclear furnace.
 
2011-08-26 09:03:34 AM  
Miasma, plasma, yadda yadda...
 
2011-08-26 09:08:54 AM  
Didn't Congress make incandescents illegal as of Jan. 1? Problem solved.
 
2011-08-26 10:09:12 AM  

Pocket Ninja: No, it's more like a gigantic nuclear furnace.


Where hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees no less.
 
2011-08-26 10:20:11 AM  
What's really too bad is that the sun is so hot, it's not a place where we could live.
 
2011-08-26 10:48:21 AM  
But you know, we need its light, and we need its heat, we need its energy.
 
2011-08-26 10:55:32 AM  
TMBG did a song correcting the original song and noting that it's actually plasma, not gas.

However, the followup song is boring and not catchy, so now the sun will be forever remembered with inaccurate science.
 
2011-08-26 11:08:43 AM  
I made my Astronomy 1001 students listen to this song. I then learned that most college freshman have terrible taste in music.

Also, TMBG's Here Comes Science! cd/dvd is a staple for my daughter.
 
2011-08-26 11:09:24 AM  
Correct nomenclature can eat a crock of cock. Plasma is like gas but incandescent. Idea was gotten across. Some people confuse scientific accuracy with specificity of terminology.
 
2011-08-26 11:09:47 AM  
So the sun is a massive candy dish of gas. Got it.
 
2011-08-26 11:10:42 AM  
Also, there is no explaining anything to the willfully ignorant.
 
2011-08-26 11:21:46 AM  
So what are we going to do?

The climate was always going to get bad for us, and we've sped it up. I say we sped it up as needed to get rid of as many of us as it takes to solve the problem.

So what's the problem?
 
2011-08-26 11:24:13 AM  

unlikely: Also, there is no explaining anything to the willfully ignorant.


Sigh, unfortunately you are correct. Even more unfortunately more and more people seem to think scientific learning is to be avoided. New Dark Ages.
 
2011-08-26 11:27:25 AM  
I usually avoid talking to morons about global warming... Yes, global warming, what did you think that just because you started using a new buzzword because people got wise to the wold one that we wouldn't catch on?

Because when I do they clamp their hands over their ears and start yelling that I'm "denying science" as if it's my fault that supporters of human created global warming keep getting things wrong. Anyone remember when we were told about 10 years ago that kids wouldn't even know what snow is by this point? How about those tens of thousands of 'climate change' refuges that UN said we'd have by 2010? Oh and decades before anyone uttered 'global warming' a cooling temperature trend was also attributed to human behavior and the term was 'global cooling'.

I think I'll stick with real environmentalism. The kind of environmentalism where we try our best to not pollute the air and water and take some common sense steps in the development of new energy while at the same time developing traditional energy sources. You can keep the global warming crap that keeps not doing what you say it will do to yourself.
 
2011-08-26 11:27:42 AM  
Maybe if the sun switched to CFL's, it wouldn't be so hot......and it would save on it's energy bills
 
2011-08-26 11:28:15 AM  
Why would anyone want to?
 
2011-08-26 11:29:40 AM  
I didn't read it all, but there was another article about Kansas or Nebraska and how they got them to be allies in green energy tech.

Save them a lot of money, and don't mention Al Gore.

//I try and live sustainably because it saves me a shiat load of money.
 
2011-08-26 11:33:51 AM  

randomjsa:
Anyone remember when we were told about 10 years ago that kids wouldn't even know what snow is by this point? How about those tens of thousands of 'climate change' refuges that UN said we'd have by 2010? Oh and decades before anyone uttered 'global warming' a cooling temperature trend was also attributed to human behavior and the term was 'global cooling'.
.


Citation needed. I recall no science that said anything like that. Maybe some entertainer somewhere but no science.
 
2011-08-26 11:35:41 AM  

meat0918: I didn't read it all, but there was another article about Kansas or Nebraska and how they got them to be allies in green energy tech.

Save them a lot of money, and don't mention Al Gore.

//I try and live sustainably because it saves me a shiat load of money.



I think you might be referring to this article (new window).
 
2011-08-26 11:37:08 AM  
Yeah the suns hot, but I'm more of a moon guy myself..
 
2011-08-26 11:44:09 AM  
"Even as the impacts of climate change intensify"

yea, not so much.
 
2011-08-26 11:44:51 AM  

randomjsa: Oh and decades before anyone uttered 'global warming' a cooling temperature trend was also attributed to human behavior and the term was 'global cooling'.


I don't remember it that way, and neither do you.
 
2011-08-26 11:45:12 AM  

bmongar: randomjsa:
Anyone remember when we were told about 10 years ago that kids wouldn't even know what snow is by this point? How about those tens of thousands of 'climate change' refuges that UN said we'd have by 2010? Oh and decades before anyone uttered 'global warming' a cooling temperature trend was also attributed to human behavior and the term was 'global cooling'.
.

Citation needed. I recall no science that said anything like that. Maybe some entertainer somewhere but no science.


I do remember reading that. Some scientists did make such statements and it was reported in magazines at the time.
 
2011-08-26 11:46:22 AM  

bmongar: randomjsa:
Anyone remember when we were told about 10 years ago that kids wouldn't even know what snow is by this point? How about those tens of thousands of 'climate change' refuges that UN said we'd have by 2010? Oh and decades before anyone uttered 'global warming' a cooling temperature trend was also attributed to human behavior and the term was 'global cooling'.
.

Citation needed. I recall no science that said anything like that. Maybe some entertainer somewhere but no science.


He's one of those idiots who heard some 'worst-case scenarios' and, since we luckily didn't experience the worst case, believes that the science is all wrong.

Typical poster-child in the war on science. Just parrots what his politicians tell him.
 
2011-08-26 11:47:27 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: TMBG did a song correcting the original song and noting that it's actually plasma, not gas.

However, the followup song is boring and not catchy, so now the sun will be forever remembered with inaccurate science.


Plasma is simply a mostly-ionized gas. The original song is technically still (sort of) accurate. Haven't heard the followup yet, though.
 
2011-08-26 11:54:36 AM  

GilRuiz1: meat0918: I didn't read it all, but there was another article about Kansas or Nebraska and how they got them to be allies in green energy tech.

Save them a lot of money, and don't mention Al Gore.

//I try and live sustainably because it saves me a shiat load of money.


I think you might be referring to this article (new window).


Thanks, I bookmarked it this time.
 
2011-08-26 11:56:17 AM  

randomjsa: I usually avoid talking to morons about global warming...


I try to avoid talking to morons at all. Unfortunately, I have to leave the house from time to time.
 
2011-08-26 12:03:45 PM  

Farking Canuck: He's one of those idiots who heard some 'worst-case scenarios' and, since we luckily didn't experience the worst case, believes that the science is all wrong.

Typical poster-child in the war on science. Just parrots what his politicians tell him.


I would add that the worst-case scenario almost never happens, since the science serves as a warning that leads more intelligent people to try and prevent it. And more often than not, preventing it isn't that hard.

Achieving the best-case scenario, on the other hand, is extremely difficult.
 
2011-08-26 12:04:24 PM  

Sgt. Pepper: randomjsa: Oh and decades before anyone uttered 'global warming' a cooling temperature trend was also attributed to human behavior and the term was 'global cooling'.

I don't remember it that way, and neither do you.


you know, scooter, I do remember it that way. Like everything else in this hype up BS, I can find as many websites to support my side of the argument as you can find.

But since I was actually around back then, I know that is what was said.



Earth Day 1970 provoked a torrent of apocalyptic predictions. "We have about five more years at the outside to do something," ecologist Kenneth Watt declared to a Swarthmore College audience on April 19, 1970. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." "We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment. The day after Earth Day, even the staid New York Times editorial page warned, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction." Very Apocalypse Now.

web address upon request
 
2011-08-26 12:05:59 PM  

unlikely: Also, there is no explaining anything to the willfully ignorant.


I had someone tell me "DDT isn't dangerous yesterday. His source? He said he was in pest control on IRC.

I posted various links to wikipedia with sources of studies on how it can cause Parkinson cancer and problems with babies.

He said "you cant reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. called me gay in a manner the filters won't let me post here, and then quit to go play call of duty."

I'm still not sure if he was talking about me trying to reason him out of his view, or if he thinks he was using reason on me.

Either way, he has proven to me that long term exposure to pesticides is a bad thing.
 
2011-08-26 12:06:23 PM  
I don't believe in the sun.
 
2011-08-26 12:07:20 PM  

fluffy2097: Either way, he has proven to me that long term exposure to pesticides is a bad thing.


CSB

/I LOLed
 
2011-08-26 12:11:51 PM  
Ugh, after so many Fark references I finally listened to that song and. . . was disappointed. I think it's impossible to like every TMBG song because they're so eclectic so consider it a matter of taste. I get a kick out of arbitrarily educational lyrics, but musically it was so uncreative. Creative lyrics aside, it was the usual fast-paced hack-a-guitar song TMBG seems to have at least one of in every album, like "Santa's Beard" or "Till My Head Falls Off".
 
2011-08-26 12:11:59 PM  

chuckufarlie: Earth Day 1970 provoked a torrent of apocalyptic predictions. "We have about five more years at the outside to do something," ecologist Kenneth Watt declared to a Swarthmore College audience on April 19, 1970. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." "We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment. The day after Earth Day, even the staid New York Times editorial page warned, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction." Very Apocalypse Now.


I don't see anything in there about global cooling. Try to stay on topic with the copypasta, sweetie.
 
2011-08-26 12:14:36 PM  
FTFA - 'While Hayhoe would certainly not argue that this scorching heat is unequivocal evidence of global warming, she is sure of one thing: it's a sign of things to come'

What a statement. Let me read that one again......mmmmhmmmm.

It is not 'unequivoval evidence', but she's sure that it's a sign of things to come. Isn't that what unequivocal evidence means? So she is saying that the heat wave in Texas this summer IS unequivocal evidence that the climate of the entire earth is changing. Okay Hayhoe.
 
2011-08-26 12:19:58 PM  

chuckufarlie: Earth Day 1970 provoked a torrent of apocalyptic predictions. "We have about five more years at the outside to do something," ecologist Kenneth Watt declared to a Swarthmore College audience on April 19, 1970. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." "We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment. The day after Earth Day, even the staid New York Times editorial page warned, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction." Very Apocalypse Now.


You left out the most important part: when they made those predictions, people actually did something. Maybe not as much as the scientists wanted, but enough that the apocalyptic predictions couldn't come true.

By your logic, if a tornado is coming, you leave your windows open so they don't shatter, and they don't shatter when the tornado arrives, then you didn't really need to leave your windows open in the first place.
 
2011-08-26 12:42:28 PM  
blog.amnestyusa.org

I get all of my environmental opinions from The Lorax.
 
2011-08-26 12:55:38 PM  
Who's

anfrind: chuckufarlie: Earth Day 1970 provoked a torrent of apocalyptic predictions. "We have about five more years at the outside to do something," ecologist Kenneth Watt declared to a Swarthmore College audience on April 19, 1970. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." "We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment. The day after Earth Day, even the staid New York Times editorial page warned, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction." Very Apocalypse Now.

You left out the most important part: when they made those predictions, people actually did something. Maybe not as much as the scientists wanted, but enough that the apocalyptic predictions couldn't come true.

By your logic, if a tornado is coming, you leave your windows open so they don't shatter, and they don't shatter when the tornado arrives, then you didn't really need to leave your windows open in the first place.


No they really didn't.
 
2011-08-26 12:56:11 PM  
Christianity has nothing to do with global warming skepticism. Prove it. What church adopts an official doctrine denying it? What verses in the Bible possibly could indicate God prophesied a lack of global warming? There certainly is no vast Christian movement against climate science.

Don't associate Christians with that crap, it's unfair and unnecessary. Oh, yea, and we got the news about the existence of atoms and pythagorean theorem a long time ago, and trust me we have no problem understanding how the universe works. It's not like we calculate the area under the curve in units of God's and Holy Ghosts, or think that because someone named John was mentioned in the Bible it somehow implies the world is flat. So STFU already.
 
2011-08-26 12:58:10 PM  

anfrind: chuckufarlie: Earth Day 1970 provoked a torrent of apocalyptic predictions. "We have about five more years at the outside to do something," ecologist Kenneth Watt declared to a Swarthmore College audience on April 19, 1970. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." "We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment. The day after Earth Day, even the staid New York Times editorial page warned, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction." Very Apocalypse Now.

You left out the most important part: when they made those predictions, people actually did something. Maybe not as much as the scientists wanted, but enough that the apocalyptic predictions couldn't come true.

By your logic, if a tornado is coming, you leave your windows open so they don't shatter, and they don't shatter when the tornado arrives, then you didn't really need to leave your windows open in the first place.


No, people did not do something because there was nothing that needed to be done. It was all scare tactics bullshiat much like is going on now

BTW, scooter, you have no idea what my logic is because I did not provide you an example. Maybe you got confused with the quotes I provided.
 
2011-08-26 01:04:41 PM  

xkillyourfacex: Christianity has nothing to do with global warming skepticism. Prove it. What church adopts an official doctrine denying it? What verses in the Bible possibly could indicate God prophesied a lack of global warming? There certainly is no vast Christian movement against climate science.

Don't associate Christians with that crap, it's unfair and unnecessary. Oh, yea, and we got the news about the existence of atoms and pythagorean theorem a long time ago, and trust me we have no problem understanding how the universe works. It's not like we calculate the area under the curve in units of God's and Holy Ghosts, or think that because someone named John was mentioned in the Bible it somehow implies the world is flat. So STFU already.


We're not saying all Christians are against the AGW, but there is a preponderance of evidence certain sects are against it, and use out of context quote mining to make their point. For example, God promised Noah he would not flood the earth again. A Christian congressman for Texas (Joe Barton I think) used this as a counterpoint to AGW claims that coastal flooding from melting icecaps could occur.
 
2011-08-26 01:09:23 PM  

Sgt. Pepper: chuckufarlie: Earth Day 1970 provoked a torrent of apocalyptic predictions. "We have about five more years at the outside to do something," ecologist Kenneth Watt declared to a Swarthmore College audience on April 19, 1970. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that "civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." "We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation," wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment. The day after Earth Day, even the staid New York Times editorial page warned, "Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction." Very Apocalypse Now.

I don't see anything in there about global cooling. Try to stay on topic with the copypasta, sweetie.


Link (new window) If you are going to get your panties all bunched up over a copypasta, I will do it your way. Care to biatch about this method?
 
2011-08-26 01:11:27 PM  
I just wish the Warmers would leave literature on my doorstep instead of rummaging through my trash for recyclables.
 
2011-08-26 01:11:58 PM  

randomjsa: I think I'll stick with real environmentalism. The kind of environmentalism where we try our best to not pollute the air and water and take some common sense steps in the development of new energy while at the same time developing traditional energy sources.


You can't create new energy.
 
2011-08-26 01:14:37 PM  
"Who doesn't want renewable sources of energy?" Hayhoe told Yale e360 senior editor Fen Montaigne. "Who doesn't want cleaner air and a thriving economy? Who doesn't agree that we should be conservative with what we have? I think this is the way to move forward on this issue."

See, this is how the cults drag you in. "Who doesn't want to love their neighbor or help the poor?" then they throw in the "or remove their genitals before the alien masters return..." part hoping you won't notice.
 
2011-08-26 01:17:48 PM  

rdyb: Correct nomenclature can eat a crock of cock. Plasma is like gas but incandescent. Idea was gotten across. Some people confuse scientific accuracy with specificity of terminology.


Bonk! Plasma is ionized and not a gas.

"The presence of a non-negligible number of charge carriers makes the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields. Plasma, therefore, has properties quite unlike those of solids, liquids, or gases and is considered a distinct state of matter. Like gas, plasma does not have a definite shape or a definite volume unless enclosed in a container; unlike gas, under the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers."
 
2011-08-26 01:19:00 PM  
How about not calling them morons--or thinking it too loudly?
 
2011-08-26 01:20:07 PM  
It's religion. There is simply no talking them out of it. All you will earn is their righteous contempt and that angry laughter of theirs.

A bullet behind the ear is the only cure.
 
2011-08-26 01:36:19 PM  

DubyaHater: Maybe if the sun switched to CFL's, it wouldn't be so hot......and it would save on it's energy bills


Fark you, hippy! I just had to go buy a whole case of yellow dwarfs and keep them in my garage because of Fartbama's ban on incandescent suns.
 
2011-08-26 01:42:29 PM  
scare tactics is all that it is or was. Everything today is about scare tactics. They have entire programs dedicated to scaring people into doing what the producer sees as the right way to go.


Life is short - enjoy yourself!!!
 
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