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(Unity Sucks)   Happy 20th Birthday Linux, may you celebrate like your 20-year-old users: Arguing over minor details, struggling for attention, and never touched by a woman   (omgubuntu.co.uk) divider line 115
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2011-08-25 08:52:53 AM  
YES
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-08-25 08:57:56 AM  
How many times will Linux turn 20 this year? There seem to be many birthdays advocated. I remember Ted Ts'o showing it off around MIT when it was at the "boots to a single user shell" stage. I don't remember the date. My reaction was something like "not especially useful, but impressive hacking job."
 
2011-08-25 09:00:47 AM  
Arguing over minor details, struggling for attention, and never touched by a woman

Ah.. that explains *a lot*. I thought Fark was a news aggregation site...
 
2011-08-25 10:27:34 AM  
I run Linux Mint XFCE on my main computer, and #! Linux on a old crappy Dell GX260
I got at a yard sale for $1, so I am getting a kick out of this headline.

/Was a loyal Ubuntu user until Natty Narwhal broke my heart and my computer.
 
2011-08-25 10:27:44 AM  
www.slackbook.org

Happy birthday Linux.
 
2011-08-25 10:51:36 AM  

Generation_D: [www.slackbook.org image 640x400]

Happy birthday Linux.


That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!
 
2011-08-25 10:57:40 AM  

ignatiusst: Generation_D: [www.slackbook.org image 640x400]

Happy birthday Linux.

That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!


It has come lightyears. Most of the biggest distros only have issues with some wifi
cards, if at all. It has gotten to the point where I would be comfortable installing it for
a non-computer expert user.

I recommend Linux Mint to dip your toe back in.
 
2011-08-25 11:04:08 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: ignatiusst: Generation_D: [www.slackbook.org image 640x400]

Happy birthday Linux.

That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!

It has come lightyears. Most of the biggest distros only have issues with some wifi
cards, if at all. It has gotten to the point where I would be comfortable installing it for
a non-computer expert user.

I recommend Linux Mint to dip your toe back in.


It is, alas, too late for me. Save yourself! I sold my soul to Microsoft (SQL Server and .Net) many, many years ago...
 
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2011-08-25 11:56:20 AM  

ignatiusst: That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!


Linux is very user-friendly. It's just rather particular about who its friends are.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-08-25 12:11:21 PM  
ignatiusst

I used to write X server code and I still spent an hour or more trying to figure out how to get my previous work computer to drive two monitors (Linux + xfree86 or xorg or whatever they call it now). If you plug two in it thinks you want to see the same thing twice, which is the least useful of all options (even leaving the second monitor blank is better). I had to edit obscure parts of the server config and then run a command to tell the X server to use that extra space. The old screen model was a lot easier to use than the viewport model.
 
2011-08-25 12:44:54 PM  
Ah, yes. Unity does suck
 
2011-08-25 12:45:09 PM  
salamanteri.dyndns.org
 
2011-08-25 12:50:23 PM  
Sorry folks, but BSD pretty clearly won the desktop *NIX war.
 
2011-08-25 12:53:10 PM  

ignatiusst: Generation_D: [www.slackbook.org image 640x400]

Happy birthday Linux.

That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!


I think that Linux makes a lot of sense if you're into computers. If you understand how elegant/useful it is to be able to simply redirect an output stream from program A into program B then Linux is your best friend. If that doesn't tickle your whistle then it's probably not. If you're interested in getting serious work done with a computer, then Linux is for you.
 
2011-08-25 12:53:45 PM  
Its good to have options for when people are too poor to buy quality like Apple.
 
2011-08-25 12:56:17 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Its good to have options for when people are too poor to buy quality like Apple.


That's funny, because I'm writing this to you from my MacBookPro that dual-boots OSX and Ubuntu. Frankly OSX just doesn't do enough to be useful.
 
2011-08-25 12:59:20 PM  
PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs. It is NOT portable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(.

what a coincidence... Frowny Emoticon is 20 years old today too. :-(

Happy Birthday Frowny!
 
2011-08-25 01:02:21 PM  

Fubini: That's funny, because I'm writing this to you from my MacBookPro that dual-boots OSX and Ubuntu. Frankly OSX just doesn't do enough to be useful.


OS X will install drivers that work with all MacBook, MacBookPros but Ubuntu still won't.

I dual boot or triple boot too. OS X/Ubuntu/Win 7 on a MacBook Pro 6,2
 
2011-08-25 01:07:43 PM  

clovis69: Fubini: That's funny, because I'm writing this to you from my MacBookPro that dual-boots OSX and Ubuntu. Frankly OSX just doesn't do enough to be useful.

OS X will install drivers that work with all MacBook, MacBookPros but Ubuntu still won't.

I dual boot or triple boot too. OS X/Ubuntu/Win 7 on a MacBook Pro 6,2


Aw, that's cute. Call me when you dodeca-boot.
 
2011-08-25 01:08:36 PM  
Happy 20th Birthday Linux, may you celebrate like your 20-year-old users: Arguing over minor details, struggling for attention, and never touched by a woman

Fail subby.

Since I installed SuSE on the very first computer I myself owned in '98 / '99, every single of my computers had at least a Linux partition.

With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background, and two delicious days of testdriving different distros. Now it runs under Ubuntu. No Windows in sight.

And I am a woman.

So there.
 
2011-08-25 01:09:43 PM  

jgrynspan: Sorry folks, but BSD pretty clearly won the desktop *NIX war.


That's only if you count MacOS 10 as BSD. Most of the underlying parts (Mach, NeXTSTEP) forked from BSD long ago. And the FreeBSD derived parts are far from the majority of the code.

OS X is to BSD as BSD is to UNIX.
 
2011-08-25 01:10:53 PM  
Am I too late to threadshiat by saying how much better my Apple is compared to Linux?! I sure hope not.
 
2011-08-25 01:12:14 PM  

danny_kay: Happy 20th Birthday Linux, may you celebrate like your 20-year-old users: Arguing over minor details, struggling for attention, and never touched by a woman

Fail subby.

Since I installed SuSE on the very first computer I myself owned in '98 / '99, every single of my computers had at least a Linux partition.

With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background, and two delicious days of testdriving different distros. Now it runs under Ubuntu. No Windows in sight.

And I am a woman.

So there.


That still doesn't mean you've been *touched by* a woman.
 
2011-08-25 01:15:26 PM  

danny_kay: With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background


Wait, what? Right click anywhere on the desktop > personalize > desktop background.
 
2011-08-25 01:16:10 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: danny_kay: Happy 20th Birthday Linux, may you celebrate like your 20-year-old users: Arguing over minor details, struggling for attention, and never touched by a woman

Fail subby.

Since I installed SuSE on the very first computer I myself owned in '98 / '99, every single of my computers had at least a Linux partition.

With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background, and two delicious days of testdriving different distros. Now it runs under Ubuntu. No Windows in sight.

And I am a woman.

So there.

That still doesn't mean you've been *touched by* a woman.


No, but Linux was.
Which was the point of the headline, right? That Linux is like its users?
 
2011-08-25 01:18:21 PM  

danny_kay: Happy 20th Birthday Linux, may you celebrate like your 20-year-old users: Arguing over minor details, struggling for attention, and never touched by a woman

Fail subby.

Since I installed SuSE on the very first computer I myself owned in '98 / '99, every single of my computers had at least a Linux partition.

With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background, and two delicious days of testdriving different distros. Now it runs under Ubuntu. No Windows in sight.

And I am a woman.

So there.


Oh, well that explains it.
 
2011-08-25 01:19:16 PM  

danny_kay: With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background, and two delicious days of testdriving different distros. Now it runs under Ubuntu. No Windows in sight.


I thought people stopped using the "I'm too dumb to figure out basic Windows operations that even my grandmother understands so that makes Linux better" argument years ago. I guess I was wrong.

/ posted from a Debian machine running fluxbox WM
// use Windows 7 at home because it works just fine
 
2011-08-25 01:20:23 PM  

ProfessorOhki: danny_kay: With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background

Wait, what? Right click anywhere on the desktop > personalize > desktop background.


It was some castrated version of Win7, Windows 7 Starter or some such.

And a few minutes of googling showed that it was not possible at that time (last summer) to change the background.

I kid you not!
 
2011-08-25 01:21:03 PM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2011-08-25 01:21:09 PM  

clovis69: OS X will install drivers that work with all MacBook, MacBookPros but Ubuntu still won't.

I dual boot or triple boot too. OS X/Ubuntu/Win 7 on a MacBook Pro 6,2


I'm not sure what you mean by that. All of my Mac hardware works just fine under Ubuntu. There's an Ubuntu package specifically for Macs that includes the software for all the little bells and whistles.

I did have one strange problem where the wifi radio would slow to 56K transfer speed if it was running on battery, but I was able to clear that up with a google search pretty quickly.

Now that I think about it, there's one other strange thing that I've noticed. When I adjust the keyboard backlight brightness past the brightest it can go it drops back to zero rather than capping out at the brightest it should go. I suppose you can call that a bug if you want, but it doesn't effect the fitness of the computer.
 
2011-08-25 01:25:29 PM  

ignatiusst: That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!


That picture is probably from the latest Slackware release and you don't have to do any of that. Just because it uses a curses interface doesn't mean it hasn't advanced. It does mean that it doesn't need a video card to install however.

Fubini: BumpInTheNight: Its good to have options for when people are too poor to buy quality like Apple.

That's funny, because I'm writing this to you from my MacBookPro that dual-boots OSX and Ubuntu. Frankly OSX just doesn't do enough to be useful.


Honestly, what does Ubuntu do that OS X doesn't, unless you are running Linux only software.
 
2011-08-25 01:25:49 PM  
I never did get my wifi card to work on ubuntu. I guess thats what I get for having a motorola wifi card...
 
2011-08-25 01:31:04 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: ignatiusst: Generation_D: [www.slackbook.org image 640x400]

Happy birthday Linux.

That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!

It has come lightyears. Most of the biggest distros only have issues with some wifi
cards, if at all. It has gotten to the point where I would be comfortable installing it for
a non-computer expert user.

I recommend Linux Mint to dip your toe back in.


Eff all that noise. My first baptism by fire was a console based Debian install THEN trying to get Enlightenment to load. I was in therapy for years because of that weekend.
 
2011-08-25 01:32:05 PM  

danny_kay: it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background

It was some castrated version of Win7, Windows 7 Starter or some such.

And a few minutes of googling showed that it was not possible at that time (last summer) to change the background.

I kid you not!


Are you by any chance... 5?
 
2011-08-25 01:32:07 PM  

ignatiusst: DjangoStonereaver: ignatiusst: Generation_D: [www.slackbook.org image 640x400]

Happy birthday Linux.

That picture is a perfect illustration of why I gave up trying to learn-to-love Linux back in the day (1996?). I am sure it has improved a lot since then, but after spending an hour trying to figure out how to get my mouse to work with it, another couple of hours trying to adjust the monitor's resolution, and two or three hours to get it to recognize my modem... I was ready to choke the next geek that espoused its beauty and elegance!

It has come lightyears. Most of the biggest distros only have issues with some wifi
cards, if at all. It has gotten to the point where I would be comfortable installing it for
a non-computer expert user.

I recommend Linux Mint to dip your toe back in.

It is, alas, too late for me. Save yourself! I sold my soul to Microsoft (SQL Server and .Net) many, many years ago...


Never too late. Programmed in MS technologies for more than 10th years and switched to Linux about a year ago. Never been happier.
/Ubuntu 11.04, classic mode
 
2011-08-25 01:32:23 PM  

Splinshints: I thought people stopped using the "I'm too dumb to figure out basic Windows operations that even my grandmother understands so that makes Linux better" argument years ago. I guess I was wrong.


In those days, the consensus was "nope, you can't change the background in Win7 Starter". As in 'not possible', not as in 'you're too stupid'.
It may very well be that someone found a trick since then, but last summer that was what I found.

And as I said, at that point I had ten years of experience running Linux and Windows dual-boot on several computers.

The background thing was just the last straw that made me ask "do I really *need* a Win partition?" and the answer was no.
 
2011-08-25 01:33:19 PM  
I'm a Windows on the desktop, Linux on the server type guy. No hate for OSX, just no love for it.

I would still be a Linux on the desktop type guy if ATI hadn't dropped support for my graphics card. OSS drivers were not usable. Got a Vista driver working fine in Win7 on my old Dell lappy. It still runs faster than most people newer crappimafied machines.
 
2011-08-25 01:35:34 PM  

johnwohl: Are you by any chance... 5?


What?
 
2011-08-25 01:36:16 PM  

danny_kay: In those days, the consensus was "nope, you can't change the background in Win7 Starter". As in 'not possible', not as in 'you're too stupid'.


I'm well aware of this, I'm curious as to why you had a copy of Win7 Starter on anything in the first place

/Stupid edition is stupidly stupid
 
2011-08-25 01:37:50 PM  

the_sidewinder: danny_kay: In those days, the consensus was "nope, you can't change the background in Win7 Starter". As in 'not possible', not as in 'you're too stupid'.

I'm well aware of this, I'm curious as to why you had a copy of Win7 Starter on anything in the first place

/Stupid edition is stupidly stupid


Because it was pre-installed.
 
2011-08-25 01:39:21 PM  

danny_kay: Because it was pre-installed.


That's all I could figure. No self respecting person who can run Linux would ever be caught installing that themselves
 
2011-08-25 01:40:59 PM  

danny_kay: Happy 20th Birthday Linux, may you celebrate like your 20-year-old users: Arguing over minor details, struggling for attention, and never touched by a woman

Fail subby.

Since I installed SuSE on the very first computer I myself owned in '98 / '99, every single of my computers had at least a Linux partition.

With my last computer it took two hours to find out that Win7 wouldn't even let me change the desktop background, and two delicious days of testdriving different distros. Now it runs under Ubuntu. No Windows in sight.

And I am a woman.

So there.



....if you say so.
 
2011-08-25 01:41:57 PM  

the_sidewinder: danny_kay: Because it was pre-installed.

That's all I could figure. No self respecting person who can run Linux would ever be caught installing that themselves


Yepp, I always kept a small Windows partition around for historical reasons, but this was the first time I kicked it off my hardrive alltogether.

After all, my older computer still double-boots if I should "need" Windows one day.
 
2011-08-25 01:45:34 PM  

SMB2811: Honestly, what does Ubuntu do that OS X doesn't, unless you are running Linux only software.


Mainly that, actually. There are too many programs that just aren't available for OSX and usually the source isn't available to recompile from. Aside from the software base, OSX is technically Unix but it doesn't really act like it. Even though the terminal is there and works just fine you always feel like OSX would rather you not do it that way.

The only thing Ubuntu doesn't do that OSX does do is Netflix and some Steam games. Otherwise I wouldn't have OSX at all.
 
2011-08-25 01:45:54 PM  
Subby obviously means GNU/Linux.

/Used to use Linux
//Then I realized I actually wanted to do stuff with my computer
 
2011-08-25 01:51:02 PM  

jgrynspan: Sorry folks, but BSD pretty clearly won the desktop *NIX war.


I hope you mean OpenBSD. If you're one of those FreeBSD apostates, I condemn you to /dev/hell.
 
2011-08-25 01:51:58 PM  

danny_kay: Because it was pre-installed.


So, basically, you didn't pay attention to what you were buying and that's Microsoft's fault.

You're kind of backpedaling now that you've been caught, but what irritates me about comments like that is you tried to frame your pro-Linux position by blaming your own screw-up on Windows. It's not that you can't change the background in Windows 7, it's that you didn't pay any attention to what you were doing when you bought a cheap-o computer and you wound up with the gimped version of Windows and didn't realize your goof until it was too late.

Fine, you like Linux, yippee, so do I. Try commenting on what you like about it instead of whining about things you farked up yourself as if those things are some sort of proof of the inferiority of the competition.
 
2011-08-25 01:53:07 PM  
I dunno -- both my mother in law and my parents use Ubuntu on their desktop machines, and they, despite being not technologically inclined, are perfectly happy with their setups.

CSB time: I spent hours trying to get the driver installation program for an HP photosmart printer to run on a Win7Pro x64 laptop. It would consistently crash with unhandled DIV0 exceptions. I plugged the printer into the Ubuntu machine, and it *just worked*.

The final solution for me ended up being to serve the printer to the Win7 machine via Ubuntu/CUPS. Something is wrong (or is it right?) when the Linux machine is *easier* than the windows machine.
 
2011-08-25 01:55:37 PM  
I spent the time fighting with Slackware to get it to work. Took a long time, many, many floppies, and lots of frustration.

But that persistence paid off. I've spent my entire career utilizing Linux at some level. When I got a sixty day notice two years ago I had an offer for my current job on the table the last week before I was laid off. What was the job market like two years ago?

Thank you, Mr. Torvalds.
 
2011-08-25 01:55:52 PM  
Linus is a quirky guy, but obviously brilliant and a good steward of his kernel. Rare to find a good coder who can also be an excellent project manager.

My interests tend toward controls and real-time systems, things that Linus has expressed a profound disinterest in. In spite (or perhaps because) of that, some very cool changes have happened in the kernel from about 2.6.32 that make it work for just about any RT project. He has forced the RT kernel hackers to present their changes in terms of overall benefit, just just for their "crazy" purposes.

In fact, since the first of the 2.6.x line, so much has changed for the better that Linus recently announced 3.0. It's been a long time coming.
 
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