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2011-08-23 10:15:39 PM
Yeah, that would probably damage me, too.
 
2011-08-23 10:36:54 PM
No shiat. What human being would do it this way?
 
2011-08-23 11:01:09 PM
www.evilsunday.com
    Turn right at the next corner, Subby.
 
2011-08-23 11:20:12 PM
That is some farked up shiat there.
 
2011-08-23 11:21:17 PM
That was a bad headline and you should feel bad, subby.

: !
 
2011-08-23 11:21:40 PM
Wow.
 
2011-08-23 11:22:48 PM
Well, it wouldn't make good financial sense to use an urn -- that's just extra postage, and they'd have to bill her for that, too.
 
2011-08-23 11:23:49 PM
ok, I was thinking they stuck fetus parts in an envelope and dropped it in a mailbox. not what happened. there were tissue samples in a sealed container. several of them. so there were all placed into a large envelope so she's not potentially dropping them or losing them. Should they have placed them into a large shoprite plastic bag instead? I mean... how should they have been handled? Seriously. I don't know what the protocol for this, it's not something I imagine happens a lot.
 
2011-08-23 11:24:23 PM
This is how socialized medicine works, people.
Death panels for twins, and the remains handed to you in an envelope. Do we really want to go there?

/amidoinitright?
 
2011-08-23 11:25:19 PM
Sorry lady, you didn't bring your own tupperware in with you, so the leftovers get sent home in whatever they find handy!
 
2011-08-23 11:25:39 PM
But hey, on the plus side she could do a little histopathology. Maybe make a nice little album.
 
2011-08-23 11:27:03 PM
FTA
'"I can't believe anybody could be so unfeeling as to behave in this way," Danielle Tivey, 27, said'

27? Thats a little old to be having children in England isn't it?
 
2011-08-23 11:27:08 PM

buzzcut73: This is how socialized medicine works, people.
Death panels for twins, and the remains handed to you in an envelope. Do we really want to go there?

/amidoinitright?


And soon, because of failed socialist policies, they won't even be delivering the remains of your children on weekends...you'll have to wait until the following monday!
 
2011-08-23 11:27:40 PM
labman [TotalFark] 2011-08-23 10:36:54 PM
No shiat. What human being would do it this way?

*clicks link*.... ohhh government health"care" employee. Why do you refer to them as "human"?


// 3 cheers for .govt healthcare!
 
2011-08-23 11:28:47 PM

buzzcut73: This is how socialized medicine works, people.
Death panels for twins, and the remains handed to you in an envelope. Do we really want to go there?

/amidoinitright?


You forgot about forced abortions n stuff...
 
2011-08-23 11:29:24 PM
Y'know, I think we're missing the important thing -- who really needs to taek dead babby home? It can't frigth back.

/truely sorry for her lots
 
2011-08-23 11:29:44 PM
my name my name is vanessa del rio 2011-08-23 11:23:49 PM
ok, I was thinking they stuck fetus parts in an envelope and dropped it in a mailbox. not what happened. there were tissue samples in a sealed container. several of them. so there were all placed into a large envelope so she's not potentially dropping them or losing them. Should they have placed them into a large shoprite plastic bag instead? I mean... how should they have been handled? Seriously. I don't know what the protocol for this, it's not something I imagine happens a lot.


Actually, this sounded pretty awful when I first read it, but now I'm like - what was the alternative? She asked for the remains and then went to the hospital and they gave it to her. It's not like it was sent in the mail.
 
2011-08-23 11:30:28 PM

OnlyM3: labman [TotalFark] 2011-08-23 10:36:54 PM
No shiat. What human being would do it this way?
*clicks link*.... ohhh government health"care" employee. Why do you refer to them as "human"?


// 3 cheers for .govt healthcare!


Remember: don't support government healthcare! Corporations care about you more!
 
2011-08-23 11:31:28 PM
Its demise contents Shocked mother. Dead baby mail weds the transformation outside a ten upstairs. Dead baby mail drowns Shocked mother. Past a daily lark shies away Shocked mother. When can the supporter fast into the increasing suite?
 
2011-08-23 11:31:45 PM
people and things die. it's part of life. get used to it.


/drive through funeral anyone? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/18/comptons-drivethru-funera_n_8 50749.html
 
2011-08-23 11:32:19 PM
Is there any situation where a hospital would be giving tissue samples to family members directly in an envelope? (honest question)

Also, I wonder if the issue was being given the remains in an envelope? If they had been delivered in a small box, perhaps it wouldn't have been so upsetting?

/bravo subby
//I laughed, feel horrible
 
2011-08-23 11:34:03 PM
 
2011-08-23 11:34:19 PM
Welcome aboard the Hell Express, Subs.
+1 for the best headline in 6 months.
 
2011-08-23 11:34:40 PM

Porktropolis: FTA
'"I can't believe anybody could be so unfeeling as to behave in this way," Danielle Tivey, 27, said'

27? Thats a little old to be having children in England isn't it?




I know, right? Wouldn't that distract her from the grand kids?
 
2011-08-23 11:35:04 PM
I cadaver understand what would cause a hospital to act in this manner.
 
2011-08-23 11:35:45 PM
FTA:
"The newspaper said she had to fight for eight months to get the remains of her son Tommy, who was stillborn, when she gave birth to his healthy twin, Alfy, in January 2007 at Southend Hospital in Essex."

For some reason this statement really bugs me.

This lady never had a son Tommy. You don't get to name your tumors until they can live detached from your body.

Henrietta never looked at her lump and said, "Aww, look how cute little HeLa is". It was only after removal that it got a named.

/brb, I have to take charles to the pool
 
2011-08-23 11:36:19 PM
How would she have liked to received the tissue samples, then? In an expensive engraved box or urn (that she wouldn't have to pay for, of course)?

She got several wax-encased tissue samples in an envelope together. If she had been handed a sticky, dripping envelope full of body parts, or was mailed the body without any sort of warning (all I can think of is the end of Se7en), then she'd have a claim.

As it is, she lost a child, and there is nothing in the world that won't upset her regarding it.
 
2011-08-23 11:36:33 PM
HOTY?
/feels dirty
 
2011-08-23 11:36:58 PM
How is babby mailed?
 
2011-08-23 11:37:14 PM
that's f*cked up.
 
2011-08-23 11:41:42 PM

veritas_aeternitas: Is there any situation where a hospital would be giving tissue samples to family members directly in an envelope? (honest question)

Also, I wonder if the issue was being given the remains in an envelope? If they had been delivered in a small box, perhaps it wouldn't have been so upsetting?

/bravo subby
//I laughed, feel horrible


I have my daughter's remains (ashes) in a cardboard box next to my stereo, so maybe I'm not the right person to ask, but

a) no, you do not normally get tissue samples directly, even if socialism
b) this is a colossal fark-up, but it's also a great law$uit
c) i laughed too
d) trollerific of subby and article to refer to tissue samples encased in wax as "remains". it sounds like she got a dried up fetus in a manila envelope, which of course is not what happened.

/yes, next to the stereo, but it's a long story and there's actually a good reason
 
2011-08-23 11:42:25 PM
I nominate for headline of the year.
 
2011-08-23 11:42:27 PM
How are "tissue samples" the same as a BABY? Where were the bones, skin, etc.? Was he cremated? So where were the ashes.

I refuse to read the article because it will be really stupid, I'm sure.
 
2011-08-23 11:43:14 PM

RogermcAllen: FTA:
"The newspaper said she had to fight for eight months to get the remains of her son Tommy, who was stillborn, when she gave birth to his healthy twin, Alfy, in January 2007 at Southend Hospital in Essex."

For some reason this statement really bugs me.

This lady never had a son Tommy. You don't get to name your tumors until they can live detached from your body.

Henrietta never looked at her lump and said, "Aww, look how cute little HeLa is". It was only after removal that it got a named.

/brb, I have to take charles to the pool




She spelled Alfie wrong too.
 
2011-08-23 11:43:25 PM
moonage daydream 2011-08-23 11:36:19 PM
How would she have liked to received the tissue samples, then? In an expensive engraved box or urn (that she wouldn't have to pay for, of course)?

She got several wax-encased tissue samples in an envelope together. If she had been handed a sticky, dripping envelope full of body parts, or was mailed the body without any sort of warning (all I can think of is the end of Se7en), then she'd have a claim.

As it is, she lost a child, and there is nothing in the world that won't upset her regarding it.


I'm now thinking its probably more the manner of how she got it. It took 8 months for them to produce the remains. She shows up and I'm imagining the receptionist goes to th back storeroom and tosses the remains (in an envelope) unto the counter... and goes "Here ya go, please sign for it, miss. Hey why are you bawling?"

I guess the hospital probably now designates someone to produce such remains, like a nurse or someone in authority and has protocol for having a counselor to standby.

Whether this is all actionable and the lady deserves to get some money because the hospital was sort of callous in the way they produced the body is debateable, but I am guessing its not just because the remains were in an envelope.
 
2011-08-23 11:44:04 PM

moonage daydream: How would she have liked to received the tissue samples, then? In an expensive engraved box or urn (that she wouldn't have to pay for, of course)?

She got several wax-encased tissue samples in an envelope together. If she had been handed a sticky, dripping envelope full of body parts, or was mailed the body without any sort of warning (all I can think of is the end of Se7en), then she'd have a claim.

As it is, she lost a child, and there is nothing in the world that won't upset her regarding it.


I got my portion of my grandma's cremains in a plain plastic box that had a sticker IDing who it was. Cheap and not quite so odd as some chunks of wax in an envelope. And I think it's the 'several' part that disturbing. "Here's a few pieces of your baby." WhereTF is the rest of it? And why is it in pieces?
 
2011-08-23 11:44:54 PM
You can't feed a family on tissue samples. Thank God her kid wasn't alive to suffer through this.
 
2011-08-23 11:45:07 PM
In need of cleaning my keyboard now and FYI apple juice ejecting from your nose burs. Thats some funny funny shiat!!
 
2011-08-23 11:47:52 PM
It's amazing that even though the court found the hospital guilty and the hospital itself apologized for the way the whole situation was handled plus will revise the way it handles this type of situation, Farkers are still arguing over how exactly did the lady expect to get the remains back. The hospital isn't the victim here or wasn't the one mistreated.
 
2011-08-23 11:48:17 PM

PJRart: How are "tissue samples" the same as a BABY? Where were the bones, skin, etc.? Was he cremated? So where were the ashes.

I refuse to read the article because it will be really stupid, I'm sure.


Subby said "sent" and the article says "handed", so don't feel bad. That makes at least two of you too lazy to read a few paragraphs.
 
2011-08-23 11:49:37 PM
Yeah I'm not sure how one would return the embedded tissue samples eight months out without being offensive to non medical folk. She asked for what remains were in the possession of the hospital and she got them. It's not like they freeze/pickle whole stillbirths in case the owner ever wants them back.

I don't see a way this could have ended without the lady sueing the hospital for making her unhappy.
 
2011-08-23 11:50:11 PM
She's lucky she got anything at all. I mean, all that happened was she had a lump of dead tissue removed. She discovered a month before she delivered her son that some extra tissue would be coming out with him. I mean, let's face it, when she discovered that the fetus would be stillborn, it was at a time when, if it had been a viable fetus she could have had them go in, chop it up, vacuum it out, and toss it in a dumpster. Why did she care so much about the tissue samples?
 
2011-08-23 11:55:06 PM
I lol'd. HARD.

/+1 subby
 
2011-08-23 11:55:54 PM
So, that is how they do it in a socialized med system?

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How we handle it in a for profit system.
 
2011-08-23 11:56:33 PM
I, for one, am outraged that she was allowed to take home her biohazard waste. I didn't even get to keep my wisdom teeth.
 
2011-08-23 11:56:35 PM

SirEattonHogg: moonage daydream 2011-08-23 11:36:19 PM
How would she have liked to received the tissue samples, then? In an expensive engraved box or urn (that she wouldn't have to pay for, of course)?

She got several wax-encased tissue samples in an envelope together. If she had been handed a sticky, dripping envelope full of body parts, or was mailed the body without any sort of warning (all I can think of is the end of Se7en), then she'd have a claim.

As it is, she lost a child, and there is nothing in the world that won't upset her regarding it.

I'm now thinking its probably more the manner of how she got it. It took 8 months for them to produce the remains. She shows up and I'm imagining the receptionist goes to th back storeroom and tosses the remains (in an envelope) unto the counter... and goes "Here ya go, please sign for it, miss. Hey why are you bawling?"

I guess the hospital probably now designates someone to produce such remains, like a nurse or someone in authority and has protocol for having a counselor to standby.

Whether this is all actionable and the lady deserves to get some money because the hospital was sort of callous in the way they produced the body is debateable, but I am guessing its not just because the remains were in an envelope.


It's pretty obvious that they disposed of the remains, then when asked, stalled for months, then someone incredibly farking stupid panicked and offered the tissue samples hoping she'd go away.

when do you treat a stillbirth as a baby? if the parents weren't clear on that front and came back 2 weeks later asking for babby, it's not at all clear the hospital did anything wrong except the clumsy cover-up. but honestly if you don't live in farking uganda you expect that the hospital would ask you right away about the handling of the remains and do some paperwork to record your wishes.

the fact that this was a stillborn twin is really, really hard. ethically, emotionally. i can't live with my "twin" girls without thinking, every day, about their (deceased) identical sister. it's a really tough case and just because the hospital tried to play her for a dumbass and give her tissue samples i think she does deserve something, even though i'm not generally sympathetic to "distress" lawsuits.
 
2011-08-23 11:58:43 PM

devildog123: She's lucky she got anything at all. I mean, all that happened was she had a lump of dead tissue removed. She discovered a month before she delivered her son that some extra tissue would be coming out with him. I mean, let's face it, when she discovered that the fetus would be stillborn, it was at a time when, if it had been a viable fetus she could have had them go in, chop it up, vacuum it out, and toss it in a dumpster. Why did she care so much about the tissue samples?




Because there was money to be made, duh.
 
2011-08-23 11:58:53 PM
To be fair, it was their most modestly-priced receptacle.
 
2011-08-24 12:00:36 AM
I think we are missing part of the story here. The article said that the paperwork was lost. This leads me to consider the possibility that most of the cadaver was probably destroyed because of this screwup, save the tissue samples left over from pathology/etc. I work in the media department of a children's hospital (kick, etc.) and have seen the slideshow for the annual memorial service. Let's just say that many of the photos would make you lose your lunch, all dressed up in bonnets and bows, surrounded by teddybears. Not my way if it were my situation, but then I don't have kids. I try not to judge as it seems to help their grieving process.

/walk thru a kids hospital if you ever want to gain perspective on how good you have it in life.
 
2011-08-24 12:01:06 AM

dahmers love zombie: Y'know, I think we're missing the important thing -- who really needs to taek dead babby home? It can't frigth back.

/truely sorry for her lots


they need to instain mother for babby forms which were lsot.

And really, who was the genius who thought this was a good idea? Did they think a private residence was a pathology lab?
 
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