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2011-08-23 06:45:52 AM  
And this douchebag doesn't believe in Love Thy Neighbor.
 
2011-08-23 07:56:05 AM  
Take out the "don't", and the sentence rings more true.
 
2011-08-23 08:04:35 AM  
The tolerant, loving Christian strikes again.
 
2011-08-23 08:04:43 AM  
The guy's clearly a douchebag, but I'm not so sure that people should be disciplined for non-criminal activity that occurs outside the workplace.
 
2011-08-23 08:12:24 AM  

Babwa Wawa: The guy's clearly a douchebag, but I'm not so sure that people should be disciplined for non-criminal activity that occurs outside the workplace.


Hell yeah. I got unfriended on Facebook last night by a black liberal because I disagreed with his decision to report a conservative site that had racist cartoons. I believe highly in free speech. This guy can be a douchebag all he wants in his free time, what does that have to do with his job?
 
2011-08-23 08:24:11 AM  

Confabulat: Babwa Wawa: The guy's clearly a douchebag, but I'm not so sure that people should be disciplined for non-criminal activity that occurs outside the workplace.

Hell yeah. I got unfriended on Facebook last night by a black liberal because I disagreed with his decision to report a conservative site that had racist cartoons. I believe highly in free speech. This guy can be a douchebag all he wants in his free time, what does that have to do with his job?


Yep.
 
2011-08-23 08:35:49 AM  
I believe the bible exists, given that I have one (a pocket Civil War bible) but that's as far as a rational person can go.
 
2011-08-23 08:36:36 AM  
Yuck. I hate siding with gross people but his time, his computer, his FB page.
 
2011-08-23 08:37:00 AM  

impaler: Confabulat: Babwa Wawa: The guy's clearly a douchebag, but I'm not so sure that people should be disciplined for non-criminal activity that occurs outside the workplace.

Hell yeah. I got unfriended on Facebook last night by a black liberal because I disagreed with his decision to report a conservative site that had racist cartoons. I believe highly in free speech. This guy can be a douchebag all he wants in his free time, what does that have to do with his job?

Yep.


Yep again.
 
2011-08-23 08:42:59 AM  
"I'm exercizing my rights, First Amendment rights, guaranteed in the Constitution, supported by the state of Florida -- on Facebook," said Buell.

Hahaha.. I love stupidity in the morning! It is so invigorating!
 
2011-08-23 08:45:11 AM  

Babwa Wawa: The guy's clearly a douchebag, but I'm not so sure that people should be disciplined for non-criminal activity that occurs outside the workplace.


QFT
 
2011-08-23 08:48:30 AM  

TravisBickle62: I believe the bible exists, given that I have one (a pocket Civil War bible) but that's as far as a rational person can go.


Well, I can also believe that the Bible is one of the reasons we have problems. So, I guess the guy has a point.

;)
 
2011-08-23 08:52:19 AM  
I have a problem believing the bible.
 
2011-08-23 08:52:42 AM  
I totally agree with the free speech argument. However, it is possible that a teacher, in exercising their free speech rights, may say some things that calls into question their ability to be fair and responsible as a teacher.

For example, if a teacher posted on Facebook that this year's senior class has some of the best cleavage he's ever seen, that might be a problem. If another teacher posted that left-handed students have been cursed by the devil and should be shunned, her abilities might be in question.

It's a fair question if this teacher's statements might fall into one of those categories.
 
2011-08-23 08:54:35 AM  
JerseyTim: if a teacher posted on Facebook that this year's senior class has some of the best cleavage he's ever seen, that might be a problem.

Wait. That's bad?

errrr... brb, need to edit my facebook.
 
2011-08-23 08:56:14 AM  

JerseyTim: I totally agree with the free speech argument. However, it is possible that a teacher, in exercising their free speech rights, may say some things that calls into question their ability to be fair and responsible as a teacher.

For example, if a teacher posted on Facebook that this year's senior class has some of the best cleavage he's ever seen, that might be a problem. If another teacher posted that left-handed students have been cursed by the devil and should be shunned, her abilities might be in question.

It's a fair question if this teacher's statements might fall into one of those categories.


So perhaps we should test peoples' views on issues like abortion, gay rights, the Iraq war (after all, he's a social studies teacher - we need him "balanced, right?), teen drinking, the war on drugs, zero tolerance policies in schools, and so forth.

Do we do this before or after we hire them?
 
2011-08-23 08:58:02 AM  

JerseyTim: I totally agree with the free speech argument. However, it is possible that a teacher, in exercising their free speech rights, may say some things that calls into question their ability to be fair and responsible as a teacher.


Then look at their record to see if they've let their views interfere with their job.
 
2011-08-23 09:00:04 AM  
So, if people do believe in the Bible, Mr. Buell, why do we have problems? Think maybe we can set aside the Bible issue and fix that instead?
 
2011-08-23 09:00:47 AM  
Really his views are pretty mainstream. A lot of us would prefer that people in the U.S. not hold such views, but they do, and it doesn't disqualify them from teaching.
 
2011-08-23 09:08:28 AM  
For a teacher, that quote sounds awfully ungrammatical.
 
2011-08-23 09:17:53 AM  
Matthew 7:1-5 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
 
2011-08-23 09:35:16 AM  
Hey, he can have all the free speech he wants. Eat it up. Just note that there's consequences for what you say.

But he didn't stop there. He called gay marriage a "cesspool," and one of his more than 700 Facebook friends saw it and complained to the district.

If I cared more about Facebook, I'd be sad that he has a lot more friends than I do.
 
2011-08-23 09:39:45 AM  
Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences. Same thing would go if he decided to lead a Klan march down Main Street.
 
2011-08-23 09:40:32 AM  

Sybarite: Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences. Same thing would go if he decided to lead a Klan march down Main Street.


Well, it certainly means freedom from *some* consequences.
 
2011-08-23 09:41:23 AM  
Jerry Buell said his comments are protected by the First Amendment, but the school district believes he may have broken state Board of Education ethics rules. The district is now investigating Buell for this incident and to see if he let his religion affect how he taught.

ok, once more for effect - yes the guy is a douchebag. However, it is an extremely bad idea to punish someone for saying douchebag things on their facebook page. the ONLY question should be - is he good at his job? if he does the job well, follows all the rules while at work, and isn't discriminatory while on the job...then what he says/does on his own time is irrelevant.

or to put it more simply, if we aren't free to be a jackass then we aren't really free at all.

got it now?
 
2011-08-23 09:41:25 AM  

Confabulat: Babwa Wawa: The guy's clearly a douchebag, but I'm not so sure that people should be disciplined for non-criminal activity that occurs outside the workplace.

Hell yeah. I got unfriended on Facebook last night by a black liberal because I disagreed with his decision to report a conservative site that had racist cartoons. I believe highly in free speech. This guy can be a douchebag all he wants in his free time, what does that have to do with his job?


So let's pretend it was back in the dark ages before Facebook and the guy was instead standing on a street corner spewing his religious zealotry and bigotry for all to hear.

Would you still want this guy teaching children social studies in a public school?

It's has nothing to do with the first amendment. Nobody is suggesting he should be arrested. The first amendment protects you from legal repercussions for expressing your thoughts publicly. That doesn't mean it can't have other consequences. I can't be arrested for telling my boss to go fark himself. But I can be fired for it.

Good grief.
 
2011-08-23 09:44:17 AM  

Sybarite: Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences. Same thing would go if he decided to lead a Klan march down Main Street.


It would be wrong to fire someone if the only thing they did was lead (or join) a klan march. if they're good at the job and keep a wall between their private activities and the workplace then what they do off the clock is their business. Punishing people for doing/saying things on their off hours that you don't like would be a greater injustice.
 
2011-08-23 09:45:38 AM  

Tor_Eckman:

It's has nothing to do with the first amendment. Nobody is suggesting he should be arrested. The first amendment protects you from legal repercussions for expressing your thoughts publicly. That doesn't mean it can't have other consequences. I can't be arrested for telling my boss to go fark himself. But I can be fired for it.

Good grief.


this has EVERYTHING to do with the First Amendment. can you prove this guy was being a dickhole while at work? if not, then you cannot fire him.
 
2011-08-23 09:46:59 AM  
Um, isn't Facebook a privately owned website? Or publicly owned if they incorporated, the point being it's not the government. So what does the first amendment have to do with anything? Can I sue Drew for filtering the word "fark"?

just an example, don't ban me bro
 
2011-08-23 09:48:43 AM  

Sybarite: Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences. Same thing would go if he decided to lead a Klan march down Main Street.


Yeah, totally the same thing.
 
2011-08-23 09:48:56 AM  

Mugato: Um, isn't Facebook a privately owned website? Or publicly owned if they incorporated, the point being it's not the government. So what does the first amendment have to do with anything? Can I sue Drew for filtering the word "fark"?


Well, he got fired by the government. So that's probably why it matters.
 
2011-08-23 09:49:48 AM  

Weaver95: . can you prove this guy was being a dickhole while at work? if not, then you cannot fire him.


You can't be that naive. Anyone can get fired for anything. There are just certain restrictions to what they can and can't put as the official reason.
 
2011-08-23 09:51:27 AM  

Weaver95: Tor_Eckman:

It's has nothing to do with the first amendment. Nobody is suggesting he should be arrested. The first amendment protects you from legal repercussions for expressing your thoughts publicly. That doesn't mean it can't have other consequences. I can't be arrested for telling my boss to go fark himself. But I can be fired for it.

Good grief.

this has EVERYTHING to do with the First Amendment. can you prove this guy was being a dickhole while at work? if not, then you cannot fire him.


Please quote the part of the first amendment that states you are protected from being fired from your job for something you say.

Maybe he shouldn't be fired. If they find that what he posted didn't violate any ethics rules he's in the clear.

But it has nothing to do with the first amendment.
 
2011-08-23 09:53:48 AM  

Mugato: Weaver95: . can you prove this guy was being a dickhole while at work? if not, then you cannot fire him.

You can't be that naive. Anyone can get fired for anything. There are just certain restrictions to what they can and can't put as the official reason.


I think that punishing someone because they said something you didn't like while on a social media site is going to lead to some VERY dark places. What happens when fanatical christians start campaigns to remove teachers/doctors/cab drivers who support 'the gay agenda' or who look like they might be terrorists? how about corporations that comb through social media sites and blogs to compile a comprehensive file on the lifestyle/political/religious beliefs of *everyone* who might be applying for a job, and starts ranking them according to their own internal system of what they consider reliable or not...?

don't support this. you won't like where it ends.
 
2011-08-23 09:54:40 AM  

Tor_Eckman:

Please quote the part of the first amendment that states you are protected from being fired from your job for something you say.


so you're saying corporations are exempt from the constitution? when did you join the Tea Party?
 
2011-08-23 09:55:56 AM  

Weaver95: I think that punishing someone because they said something you didn't like while on a social media site is going to lead to some VERY dark places. What happens when fanatical christians start campaigns to remove teachers/doctors/cab drivers who support 'the gay agenda' or who look like they might be terrorists? how about corporations that comb through social media sites and blogs to compile a comprehensive file on the lifestyle/political/religious beliefs of *everyone* who might be applying for a job, and starts ranking them according to their own internal system of what they consider reliable or not...?


Uh, we're way past these already. It's not going to lead to dark places. We're already standing in it.
 
2011-08-23 09:56:44 AM  

RexTalionis:

Uh, we're way past these already. It's not going to lead to dark places. We're already standing in it.


there's still time to turn back.
 
2011-08-23 09:58:01 AM  

Weaver95: don't support this. you won't like where it ends.


I'm not supporting anything. What I'm talking about is a completely separate issue, I suppose. The notion that you can't fire someone for this or that is absurd when people get "downsized" left and right through no fault of their own and no real reason is given. People do get sued for discrimination but it's something that's very hard to prove.
 
2011-08-23 09:58:45 AM  
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

Once we're here, in the dark, it becomes the new normal. We can't go back anymore than we can suddenly reject all social media and take up letter writing for correspondences.
 
2011-08-23 09:59:33 AM  

Weaver95: there's still time to turn back.


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

Once we're here, in the dark, it becomes the new normal. We can't go back anymore than we can suddenly reject all social media and take up letter writing for correspondences.

/Sorry, forgot to quote you the first time.
 
2011-08-23 10:02:50 AM  

Aarontology: Sybarite: Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences. Same thing would go if he decided to lead a Klan march down Main Street.

Yeah, totally the same thing.



Pretty much, yeah. He's a teacher using a public forum to spew hatred against a particular group. Teachers aren't allowed to do that and keep their jobs.
 
2011-08-23 10:05:56 AM  

Babwa Wawa: So perhaps we should test peoples' views on issues like abortion, gay rights, the Iraq war (after all, he's a social studies teacher - we need him "balanced, right?), teen drinking, the war on drugs, zero tolerance policies in schools, and so forth.

Do we do this before or after we hire them?


No, I think that's a bad idea.

Aarontology: Then look at their record to see if they've let their views interfere with their job.


I think that's fair. These comments open the door to questioning his teaching abilities.
 
2011-08-23 10:09:37 AM  

Sybarite: Pretty much, yeah. He's a teacher using a public forum to spew hatred against a particular group. Teachers aren't allowed to do that and keep their jobs.


In some counties, teachers aren't even allowed to converse with students on public forums. Teachers have a shiatload of rules they have to follow outside of school hours.
 
2011-08-23 10:21:19 AM  

abb3w: Matthew 7:1-5 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."


Meh.

I'm married - I get judged and found guilty on a regular basis. It's old hat by now.

TFA: "I'm exercizing my rights"

My concern isn't his Biblegarbl. It's that he's a teacher who can't. farking. spell.
 
2011-08-23 10:33:57 AM  

RexTalionis: Once we're here, in the dark, it becomes the new normal.


i.imgur.com

R.I.P. IN THE DARK

 
2011-08-23 10:37:34 AM  

Tor_Eckman: Weaver95: Tor_Eckman:

It's has nothing to do with the first amendment. Nobody is suggesting he should be arrested. The first amendment protects you from legal repercussions for expressing your thoughts publicly. That doesn't mean it can't have other consequences. I can't be arrested for telling my boss to go fark himself. But I can be fired for it.

Good grief.

this has EVERYTHING to do with the First Amendment. can you prove this guy was being a dickhole while at work? if not, then you cannot fire him.

Please quote the part of the first amendment that states you are protected from being fired from your job for something you say.

Maybe he shouldn't be fired. If they find that what he posted didn't violate any ethics rules he's in the clear.

But it has nothing to do with the first amendment.


Sure it does. He works for a public school. Could he be fired for endorsing Herman Cain for president on his FB page? Could he be fired if his post was a simple affirmation that Jesus Christ is Lord? No, he could not, because that is protected expression under the first amendment.

I'm not saying the douche shouldn't be fired. I'm not sure. I'd like him to be. But saying the first amendment doesn't even enter into it is incorrect.
 
2011-08-23 10:38:48 AM  
The guy's clearly a douchebag, but he's also a State employee expressing his political/cultural/religious views on his own computer at home in the summer, so he should be protected from retribution by the State according to the First Amendment. I think if we start firing career public servants just because we don't like their politics--that's a bad bad road to go down. If it poisons his teaching, that's one thing, but no one has brought forth any evidence of that yet. Unless something new emerges, he ought to keep his job.
 
2011-08-23 10:45:52 AM  

Somacandra: The guy's clearly a douchebag, but he's also a State employee expressing his political/cultural/religious views on his own computer at home in the summer, so he should be protected from retribution by the State according to the First Amendment. I think if we start firing career public servants just because we don't like their politics--that's a bad bad road to go down. If it poisons his teaching, that's one thing, but no one has brought forth any evidence of that yet. Unless something new emerges, he ought to keep his job.


See, I'm not sure that's right either. I guess it goes to the reason they fire him. If it is, like you said, straight up retribution that smacks of a violation of the first amendment. But there are plenty of other reasons to fire the guy.

Would anyone be complaining if the school was 60% black and his FB rant was about how all the goddamned attractive and successful African-Americans are poisoning the pure white race? It's protected expression. But I doubt he'd have much ground to stand on, since the guy obviously has a problem attitude that would effect his ability to treat his students objectively.

By that same token, if I was a parent of a gay kid in that school you better believe I would be at every school board meeting demanding that they sack his ass, post haste.
 
2011-08-23 10:51:28 AM  
"If people don't believe in the Bible, it's why we have problems"

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That explains it.
 
2011-08-23 10:53:30 AM  
If he is Facebook friends with any students and he didn't block them from that post, then I'd say fire him... If not, then the district shouldn't really care what he does in his free time.
 
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