DamnYankees: No he wasn't. He was doing what all politicians to - pivot from any possible question to one of the 2 or 3 things they like to talk about. So he found a weird segue to do it.

Come on now.

I'd beleive you if I hadn't seen this a million times before. It's deliberate and you're being generous pretending it's not. Look at the statement:

Civil Rights == Freedom == Lower Corporate Taxes

In order for your "it was an accident" assessment to be correct, Perry either has to think that the Civil rights movement wasn't about freedom, or that lower corporate taxes isn't about freedom (which he explicitly says).

DamnYankees: BuckTurgidson: Overt metaphor or simile? No.

Deliberate evocation of the civil rights movement followed in the next sentence with pro-corporate anti-government derp as an indirect analogy? Yep.

So yeah, he kinda did.

A bad segue is not a comparison.

To me, a segue is typically a transition from one complete thought to another. Here, it basically looks like a continuation of the same thought. Add to that the fact that the question he was asked was specifically about civil rights (and not regulation or tax policy), and I find it pretty hard to come to any other conclusion.

Biological Ali: DamnYankees: BuckTurgidson: Overt metaphor or simile? No.

Deliberate evocation of the civil rights movement followed in the next sentence with pro-corporate anti-government derp as an indirect analogy? Yep.

So yeah, he kinda did.

A bad segue is not a comparison.

To me, a segue is typically a transition from one complete thought to another. Here, it basically looks like a continuation of the same thought. Add to that the fact that the question he was asked was specifically about civil rights (and not regulation or tax policy), and I find it pretty hard to come to any other conclusion.

FTFA:

QUESTION: And coming to the Old Town Bistro you're actually visiting a very important place in Rock Hill and the nation's civil rights history. This year we celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Friendship Nine sit-in here. Care to comment on that?

PERRY: Listen, America's gone a long way from the standpoint of civil rights and thank God we have. I mean we've gone from a country that made great strides in issues of civil rights. I think we all can be proud of that. And as we go forward, America needs to be about freedom. It needs to be about freedom from overtaxation, freedom from over-litigation, freedom from over-regulation. And Americans regardless of what their cultural or ethnic background is they need to know that they can come to America and you got a chance to have any dream come true because the economic climate is gonna be improved.


/draw your own conclusions

WizardofToast: Does this mean people have been bombing churches of businessmen and pouring chemicals in their pools?

Nah.
But the upper class does use religion as a distraction to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of fighting back. Much how Islamic suicide bombers do nothing to stop Western exploitation and for the most part just kill more of their own.
And corporations do pour chemicals into drinking water when they know they can.

Perry: "Freedom from overtaxation, freedom from regulation"


What Perry is really saying is more freedom for corporate America to run the economy off a cliff.

Mr_Fabulous: PERRY: Listen, America's gone a long way from the standpoint of civil rights and thank God we have. I mean we've gone from a country that made great strides in issues of civil rights. I think we all can be proud of that.

It's almost as if he has no idea what he's saying... Or does he?

/yes, we've gone from that
//no, it's not something to be proud of
///or, for the GNs... it's not something of which to be proud

Animatronik: Funny, I read his comment as meaning that the civil rights movement was a great success and that in the post civil rights era we should focus on individual freedom.

A reporter asked him about civil rights, he talked about civil rights, and then he went on to say that the best way to continue the fight to help minorities is to lower corporate income taxes.

I'm sick of people like you taking things out of context and pretending that Perry is too stupid to know what he's saying, and claiming that he meant to say something else but he's not smart enough to put together a coherent thought. He's not Sarah Palin. I think he's smart enough to have said exactly what he meant to say.

Mentat: This new "the poor need to pay their fair share" meme is going to kill satire once and for all.

indeed.

"I have a dream, that one day, all of God's beautiful white rich children, can be free from over-taxation, free from over-litigation and free from job killing regulations."

If you'll excuse me, I think I got some dust in my eye.

DamnYankees: A bad segue is not a comparison.

Suppose someone said they wanted to hit people in the face with a brick, and then made a list of the people that he wanted to hit in the face with a brick, and then said "Also, I really hate DamnYankees. The guy is a complete idiot. I think his face could use some rearranging too."

Do you think that's a threat to hit you in the face with a brick? Or just a bad segue?

// Just kidding. We both know your answer depends on whether or Republican or Democrat said it.

gameshowhost: I dunno. He certainly didn't do a good job of transitioning if he *wasn't* comparing the two. I suppose we can give him the Benefit Of The Dumbshiat, though.

Yeah, pretty much that. He didn't compare the two - he was just verbally clumsy about relating the two ideas.

I think he'd have done better had he said something like ".... the civil rights act removed legal barriers that prevented some Americans from rising to their highest potential, and years of cultural change have reduced social barriers to success. The practical barrier of a stagnant economy now stands in the way of Americans of all races, colors, and creeds trying to achieve their own personal dreams. I believe the best way to remove that final barrier is to reduce the tax burden on the nation's employers to create jobs, and to leave more money in the hands of investors so that they are free to take risks and invest in the dreams of others, to grow new businesses, new ideas, and new opportunities for all..."

Basically, I think he was saying that theoretical freedom of opportunity allowed by the law doesn't do you much good if you have no practical way to exercise it because there are no opportunities. I can agree with that, I just disagree with him on what kinds of actions will create those opportunities.

Glad to see the ESL classes are helping

turbidum: What's the difference between Yosemite Sam and Rick Perry? One is a a goofy dim witted animated cowboy characterture who fires guns into the air and the other is on Bugs bunny.

Type jokes.

I know you're just going to say "Suck it!," but the word is caricature. And it's not called "Bugs bunny," it's called Looney Tunes. Also, dim-witted.

I'm glad you figured that out. I read it as "charcuterie" and tried to figure out when the poor rassinfrassin bastard got turned into Yosemite Ham. And yes, cleaned up a bit, it's a nice joke :-)

DamnYankees: The Homer Tax: It wasn't a seque though, he was clearly trying to associate the civil rights movement with corporate taxation.

No he wasn't. He was doing what all politicians to - pivot from any possible question to one of the 2 or 3 things they like to talk about. So he found a weird segue to do it.

Both of these are possible. Both are common practices. I don't give Perry credit for being clever enough to try the association, but he or his campaign might be. Moving to the prepared topic seems more likely to me, but that's a guess based on what I think of his smarts.

BroadbandGremlin: It will take a leader in the White House who understands business and economics better than he does organizing communities...

So vote Gary Johnson. What does Rick Perry know about business? He's spent his life sucking the government teat.

The more ominous message underneath this--I'm pretty sure it's unconscious on Parry's part, but I'm pretty sure it's there--is, "We're tired of paying too much taxes to fund slave reparations to black people. That's got to stop. Black people got their freedom, now it's our turn to get ours."

The fact that he somehow slurred from the idea of civil rights into taxes for billionaires is a classic Freudian slip...or "segue," as some prefer to call it.

violentsalvation: GleeUnit: violentsalvation: brainiac-dumdum: violentsalvation: Oh yay! Nothing to argue, nothing to offer, just personal attacks

You're not worth debating, so I'm resting on my abundent laurels and my

history of being a total dumbass.

Now that's just lazy.

By me? She does not want to argue, she just wants to insult, fine, there she goes. She is a dumbass. She is not worth my time either. If she wants to stand by partisan lies fine. I am not defending Rick Perry (I cant stand the f*cker) I am saying this headline and source are both full of sh*t, she wants to defend it FINE, she is full of sh*t too.

Can you excoriate me too, please? Because reading the quote that I read it is as obvious as the blind spot in front of your face that Perry went at warp speed from a pat on the head for civil rights to a talking point of shoveling more money to corporations and millionaires.

"This new facility will give abused women somewhere safe to go when they feel they have no hope. Just like corporations feel they have no hope to create jobs when they are punished with confiscatory taxes."

No connection at all man! He's just talking about FREEDOM.

/like Bachmann talks about "LIBERTY"
//what a couple of subhumans

Companies have so much cash on hand mainly because it is all money from overseas. They keep it idle because bringing it back to their American affiliates would mean they would have to pay taxes on it. Something those patriotic American loving companies are horrified to do, pay their fair share. So it's just sitting offshore hoping for another tax holiday like a few years ago.

It's ironic that the right is still parroting over taxation and over regulation when the opposite is what got America into the mess it's in in the first place. That's sort of like saying the Nazi's just didn't have enough power and control to do what they wanted, things would have been different and better for everyone!

Beware of frauds hiding behind the flag and cross

Big Al: That's sort of like saying the Nazi's just didn't have enough power and control to do what they wanted, things would have been different and better for everyone!


Listen, America's gone a long way from the standpoint of Nazis and thank God we have. I mean we've gone from a country that made great strides in issues of anti-Fascism. I think we all can be proud of that. And as we go forward, America needs to be about liberal ideals. It needs to be about freedom from Tea Partiers, freedom from trickle-down economics, freedom from Republicans. And Americans regardless of what their cultural or ethnic background is they need to know that they can come to America and you got a chance to have any dream come true because the economic climate is gonna be improved.

ColdFusion: relcec: Bigdogdaddy: Well, I think he's a dolt but he was asked about civil rights and turned into what he considered too much government. Overregulation is a bad thing. However, ignoring regulations (AKA Geroge W. Bush) was not the answer either. I don't understand why in America we can't have something in the middle.

Oh yeah I do, BECAUSE SOCIALIZZZM!



you keep spelling Bill Clinton's name wrong. I'm starting to think you people are doing this on purpose.
[Snipping Copypasta]
Kenneth Guenther, executive vice president of Independent Community Bankers of America, an association of small rural ban ...

Repealing a regulation with congressional approval != Unilaterally ignoring existing business regulation and shifting experienced regulators and investigators off their ongoing cases onto other stuff.

But, it doesn't really matter, since I know you's trollin'. It's cool, I like to troll sometimes, too. But I do it IRL where people can punch me in the face if I get too retarded. Maybe try it there. It's more exhilarating.

Clinton repealing Glass-Segal bears just as much responsibility as what Republicans have done (including Congressional support for said repeal) for our economic collapse.

Tyrone Slothrop: Clinton repealing Glass-Segal bears just as much responsibility as what Republicans have done (including Congressional support for said repeal) for our economic collapse.

I would agree. But you might note (conveniently so, because of the copypasta above) that the GOP was driving that bus, too.

I mean it isn't like Clinton said "Gee, I'd like to repeal Glass-Steagal today." That legislation was the brainchild of Phil Gramm and other like-minded Republicans, and there was a fight in congress to get the legislation in front of Clinton.

Sure, he could have vetoed it. And his legacy is tarnished by his failure to do so.

But that was a GOP initiative.

* tick tock*

Tyrone Slothrop: Clinton repealing Glass-Segal bears just as much responsibility as what Republicans have done (including Congressional support for said repeal) for our economic collapse.

Clinton, a famously conservative Democrat, did not repeal Glass Stegall all by his lonesome. Republicans passed it through the Congress before Clinton could sign it.

That being said, you can point the finger of blame at Clinton if you want, and he deserves it. Repealing Glass-Stegall was monumentally bad policy, and Clinton and the Republicans who passed it are nimrods.

But don't let that shroud the real truth, that the repeal of Glass-Stegall was prompted by conservative anti-government, pro-corporate ideology.

Yes, the modern day Robber Barons are the ones being attacked by the police' doberman pinschers while being sprayed by fire hoses, and the poor people of the country living in poverty are the police beating the Robber Barons over the head with night sticks and releasing the attack dogs on them.

Let us all pray for the well-being of the modern day robber barons.

Goodfella: Yes, the modern day Robber Barons are the ones being attacked by the police' doberman pinschers while being sprayed by fire hoses, and the poor people of the country living in poverty are the police beating the Robber Barons over the head with night sticks and releasing the attack dogs on them.

Let us all pray for the well-being of the modern day robber barons.

indeed, poor guys.

/I think they were just about to start a trickle down on us too.
//now they're probably mad

I heard many companies had record profits this year. However they don;t feel confident (poor babies) in the economy enough to start re-hiring. Hello.... record profits. How much confidence do you need?

Our businesses need a good kick in the ass IMO. They need to start stepping up to the plate and start getting things moving.... Not happening with this guy. If you work for a living and hire this guy as president, you are screwing yourself over....that simple

It's not like anybody who's not white is going to vote for the GOP candidate anyway, but still, what a dick. Maybe would turn the fire-hoses, attack dogs, tasers, and night sticks on the corporate assholes. I'd actually pay to see that.

The Larch:
I'm sick of people like you taking things out of context and pretending that Perry is too stupid to know what he's saying, and claiming that he meant to say something else but he's not smart enough to put together a coherent thought. He's not Sarah Palin.

Which makes what he did say even more heinous. With Palin we could just attribute her ramblings to stupidity, but PArry knows exactly what an evil dick he is.

And we now know it as well.