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(Fox News)   The "smelly slimy raw chicken" is pretty obvious as is the "mold on the jelly". But what's the deal with soy sauce?   (foxnews.com) divider line 126
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2011-08-21 08:16:07 AM  
Advice for beer FTA: In general, follow the freshness date printed on the label, and if you have doubts, take a swig.

I like this idea. If I had some beer I'd do this right now.
 
2011-08-21 08:46:24 AM  
Give your food a sniff: If it doesn't smell like it did when you cooked it, it's more than likely gone bad.

media.giantbomb.com
 
2011-08-21 09:22:50 AM  
But what's the deal with soy sauce?

Soy sauce is a lightweight among condiments, lasting only about three months in the fridge after it has been opened.


I found other sources, including Stilltasty.com "Your ultimate guide to shelf life",, that gave opened soy sauce a shelf life of 2 years in the refrigerator.

Others pointed out that after the 3 month guideline, soy sauce would still be safe to use but might have lost some taste or color.

// Who the heck runs Stilltasty LLC and why do they bless us with all this information? All I can find is a NYC PO box.
 
2011-08-21 09:35:02 AM  
 
2011-08-21 09:54:13 AM  
// Who the heck runs Stilltasty LLC and why do they bless us with all this information? All I can find is a NYC PO box.

I started out thinking that it had to be some slimy food industry association looking to limit its liability in food poisoning cases but further research reveals that the Stilltasty website is run by Janice Revell, a Money Magazine writer and her mother, a retired Canadian food safety expert. No big evil corporations behind it that I can see.

The Stilltasty website gets is referred to by countless articles. It's pretty slick for a homegrown website.
 
2011-08-21 10:03:50 AM  
Soy sauce is a lightweight among condiments, lasting only about three months in the fridge after it has been opened.

Whoever wrote this is a moron.

Soy sauce is a fermented(ie contains ethanol) product chock a block with salt. It should last every bit as long as vinegar. Any microbes that can survive in it are unlikely to be stopped by something as puny as a mortal creature's immune system and would have wiped humanity off this rock long ago if they were hostile.
 
2011-08-21 10:09:51 AM  
their soy sauce

doglover: Soy sauce is a lightweight among condiments, lasting only about three months in the fridge after it has been opened.

Whoever wrote this is a moron.

Soy sauce is a fermented(ie contains ethanol) product chock a block with salt. It should last every bit as long as vinegar. Any microbes that can survive in it are unlikely to be stopped by something as puny as a mortal creature's immune system and would have wiped humanity off this rock long ago if they were hostile.


Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce? I keep mine in the cupboard and am still alive.
 
2011-08-21 10:21:48 AM  

FredaDeStilleto: Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce?


Not to my knowledge.
 
2011-08-21 10:33:33 AM  

doglover: FredaDeStilleto: Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce?

Not to my knowledge.


It is possible that refrigeration, while not necessary for food safety purposes, helps keep the sauce tasting good..

When was the last time you bought a bottle?. I've never refrigerated it but have to admit that the last new bottle I bought tasted a lot better than the previous one which had been sitting around for a couple of years.
 
2011-08-21 10:37:55 AM  

doglover: FredaDeStilleto: Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce?

Not to my knowledge.


actually I do, but not the thai fish sauce.

Also make sure the ingredients say "soy beans" otherwise it's processed garbage that tastes like shiat.
 
2011-08-21 10:38:34 AM  

FredaDeStilleto: Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce? I keep mine in the cupboard and am still alive.


I always have, but I also figured it had enough salt in it to preserve it pretty much forever, so I'm not sure why
 
2011-08-21 10:41:19 AM  

notmtwain: When was the last time you bought a bottle?.


I've never seen anyone here (Japan) refrigerate soy sauce. I thought that was the question.

And honestly, I find the fridge usually detracts from the flavor of most things. Chocolate, for example, is VILE once it's been chilled once. Ruins the temper.
 
2011-08-21 10:43:20 AM  

doglover: FredaDeStilleto: Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce?

Not to my knowledge.


I do, because it says to on the label.
 
2011-08-21 10:43:50 AM  
FTA: Big-name beers, which have been pasteurized and filtered, will keep longer than microbrews; in fact, they'll last about three months. If you store your beer at room temperature (shame on you), however, it could go bad in a month.

Um, no. Your garden variety Oberon/Sierra Nevada Pale Ale viscosity beers will be just fine for half a year, and storing at room temperature is not a problem at all. I keep mine in the basement where it's constantly 58 to 62 degrees, and my homebrews of that quality or better seem to taste better with age. A middle-viscosity stout won't even taste good unless it's been sitting for a month.

I cracked open three braggots yesterday that I had bottled two years ago. Delicious to this day.
 
2011-08-21 10:44:43 AM  
I refrigerate soy sauce. A bottle will last me for about 3 years and I've never had any problems.
 
2011-08-21 10:45:33 AM  

doglover: FredaDeStilleto: Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce?

Not to my knowledge.


Me
To keep it next to the other sauces
 
2011-08-21 10:47:12 AM  

yeomanfarmer: I do, because it says to on the label.


Soy sauce has a label? Like in English?

:-/
 
2011-08-21 10:47:16 AM  
Came for the Table of Condiments that Periodically Go Bad. Leaving disappointed.
 
2011-08-21 10:48:22 AM  
The milk in my fridge expired yesterday. It still tastes like milk. Is it safe?
 
2011-08-21 10:49:42 AM  
This is how I buy my Soy Sauce:

www.philamfood.com

1.2 liters or something. I keep it in my cupboard. I've had it a year and it's still good.

I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.
 
2011-08-21 10:52:25 AM  
I go through soy sauce fast enough I doubt it matters, but I've noticed my parents' years old soy sauce is vile.
 
2011-08-21 10:54:40 AM  
news.humcounty.com

"If it smells good, eat it."
 
2011-08-21 10:55:17 AM  
FTA: Mold of any color, shape or texture is a good sign that it's time to toss them.

Who knew?

 
2011-08-21 10:56:43 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-08-21 10:57:28 AM  
Mmmmmm, moldy food

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-08-21 10:58:04 AM  

DaShredda: This is how I buy my Soy Sauce:

[www.philamfood.com image 350x546]

1.2 liters or something. I keep it in my cupboard. I've had it a year and it's still good.

I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.


You must not be a fan of Japanese food.
 
2011-08-21 10:59:42 AM  
Also, Kikkoman is like the Hunt's Catsup of soy sauce.
 
2011-08-21 10:59:48 AM  

DaShredda: I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.


Sushi, gyoza, sashimi, almost any tofu.... the list goes on, but the suck does not. Many good foods use soy sauce as just that: sauce.


But if you put soy sauce on white rice you don't deserve to eat.
 
2011-08-21 11:00:01 AM  

cretinbob: doglover: FredaDeStilleto: Does anyone here refrigerate soy sauce?

Not to my knowledge.

actually I do, but not the thai fish sauce.

Also make sure the ingredients say "soy beans" otherwise it's processed garbage that tastes like shiat.


there's soy sauce that isn't made from soy beans? are they in short supply?
 
2011-08-21 11:00:47 AM  
I think Phil Hartman is past his shelf life by now.
 
2011-08-21 11:01:22 AM  

Ow My Balls:
I cracked open three braggots yesterday that I had bottled two years ago. Delicious to this day.


This. I read that with some major skepticism: if you're not smart enough to throw out food when it smells funky, you deserve to be poisoned by your food. But once I got to the beer part, I literally smacked my monitor for being stupid enough to show me something that isn't in the least bit true. I have some wonderful RyePA and Bohemian pilsner that I've had sitting in kegs since at least February, and they are still pretty damn good. Furthermore, I have a Samichlaus clone that requires about 9 months of aging.... I'll be short of that, as I'm popping that keg on my birthday. IMHO, good beer is like fine wine: it may be good now, but age it a bit and it'll be that much better.
 
2011-08-21 11:02:19 AM  

DaShredda: This is how I buy my Soy Sauce:

[www.philamfood.com image 350x546]

1.2 liters or something. I keep it in my cupboard. I've had it a year and it's still good.

I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.


Label on that one says it will be excellent for 300 years. Not bad.
 
2011-08-21 11:04:07 AM  

JLEM: DaShredda: This is how I buy my Soy Sauce:

[www.philamfood.com image 350x546]

1.2 liters or something. I keep it in my cupboard. I've had it a year and it's still good.

I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.

You must not be a fan of Japanese food.


take out is not japanese.
 
2011-08-21 11:07:56 AM  
My favorite breakfast recipe:
One can cold beer
One slice of last nights pizza
One (or two) Twinkies, to suit your taste
Put ingredients in blender and blend to desired viscosity
Enjoy !
 
2011-08-21 11:10:07 AM  

doglover: yeomanfarmer: I do, because it says to on the label.

Soy sauce has a label? Like in English?

:-/


OK we get it, you're in Japan.

//stuffwhitepeoplelike
 
2011-08-21 11:10:47 AM  
Feta cheese should be eaten within a week?

I just bought some feta cheese last week and the expiration date is July 2012

WTF?
 
JVD
2011-08-21 11:11:31 AM  
Use by and expiration dates are crap. I eat expired food all the time. Had some boxed mac and cheese that expired a year ago, still tasted fine. Canned goods that are several years past are fine. Dairy can be hit or miss but if milk is starting to turn its still fine for cooking. I've used eggs that are a couple weeks past, you just check them in a glass of water to see if they float-- floaters are bad. I've cut the bad parts off of fruits and vegetables and used the rest, when they are well beyond their supposed shelf life. I've never once gotten sick from food I've cooked.

When meats get slimy and smell horrid it's time to toss them but its pretty much always several days past the sell/use by date.

I've drank expired beer before, by several months, and it tasted fine. I know it shouldn't have gone bad in the first place, but to throw it out would be alcohol abuse!

If you find yourself throwing out food all the time you should audit your grocery list, it's cheaper to pay more per oz and buy less than it is to buy more than you need and throw it out.
 
2011-08-21 11:13:57 AM  

doglover: DaShredda: I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.

Sushi, gyoza, sashimi, almost any tofu.... the list goes on, but the suck does not. Many good foods use soy sauce as just that: sauce.


But if you put soy sauce on white rice you don't deserve to eat.


I put wasabi on sushi. Like straight up green paste. No soy. BUT I guess I just like the hot spice, I don't care about the sushi itself.

I should just eat wasabi then...
 
2011-08-21 11:14:21 AM  

Flragnararch: JLEM: DaShredda: This is how I buy my Soy Sauce:

[www.philamfood.com image 350x546]

1.2 liters or something. I keep it in my cupboard. I've had it a year and it's still good.

I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.

You must not be a fan of Japanese food.

take out is not japanese.


Sushi isn't take out.
 
2011-08-21 11:14:34 AM  
Mmm casu marzu.

upload.wikimedia.org

Casu marzu is considered to be unsafe to eat by Sardinian aficionados when the maggots in the cheese have died. Because of this, only cheese in which the maggots are still alive is usually eaten, although allowances are made for cheese that has been refrigerated, which can kill the maggots. When the cheese has fermented enough, it is often cut into thin strips and spread on moistened Sardinian flatbread (pane carasau), to be served with a strong red wine.[3][5] Casu marzu is believed to be an aphrodisiac by local Sardinians.[6] Because the larvae in the cheese can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in) when disturbed,[1][7] diners hold their hands above the sandwich to prevent the maggots from leaping. Those who do not wish to eat live maggots place the cheese in a sealed paper bag. The maggots, starved for oxygen, writhe and jump in the bag, creating a "pitter-patter" sound. When the sounds subside, the maggots are dead and the cheese can be eaten.[8]
 
2011-08-21 11:14:55 AM  
FTA:If you grabbed some ground beef at the market, make your burgers or pasta sauce right away. Fresh meat -- fish, beef, pork, and poultry -- won't last longer than two days in your fridge.

i30.photobucket.com
 
2011-08-21 11:17:08 AM  
Indeterminate

[twinkie.jpg]
 
2011-08-21 11:17:29 AM  
I lived with a girl like this. She would constantly be trying to throw sh*t out. "I think this has gone bad" might as well have been her catchphrase.
 
2011-08-21 11:19:26 AM  
I refrigerate soy sauce b/c it keeps the esters in the sauce longer, so it keeps the flavor longer. It's not about safety.
 
2011-08-21 11:20:14 AM  

JLEM: I lived with a girl like this. She would constantly be trying to throw sh*t out. "I think this has gone bad" might as well have been her catchphrase.


How long did you keep her before you threw her out?
 
2011-08-21 11:21:31 AM  

That Guy...From That Show!: FTA:If you grabbed some ground beef at the market, make your burgers or pasta sauce right away. Fresh meat -- fish, beef, pork, and poultry -- won't last longer than two days in your fridge.

[i30.photobucket.com image 351x315]

Huh. Costco meat is very fresh and lasts a week or more in the fridge.

In regards to soy sauce, I keep it in the fridge now. Keeps the flavour better.

Kikkoman is a very poor soy sauce for cooking, BTW. Japanese soy sauces in general aren't meant to be cooked. Buy a bottle of Chinese or Korean soy sauce for that. Your stir fries will taste better. Conversely, Chinese soy sauce is hideous uncooked.
 
2011-08-21 11:21:32 AM  

DaShredda: I put wasabi on sushi. Like straight up green paste. No soy.


I do this sometimes. Usually when I'm drunk and think I need to cut back on the sodium.

But really, sushi kicks ASS with a little bit of murasaki(purple, the nickname for soy sauce in sushi context) to go with it. Not much, just a bit. And you don't put it on the sushi, you put it in a shallow dish and dip the fish in. You'll find it tastes better.

Also, word to the wise, if you can get GOOD sushi (fresh and expensive stuff like Otoro, aka fatty tuna) DON'T put wasabi on that. Trust your chef and alter nothing. It's better than sex as is. It needs no improvement.
 
2011-08-21 11:24:46 AM  

JVD: Use by and expiration dates are crap. I eat expired food all the time.


I purchase distilled water from time to time and it's amusing that to notice that the water will expire within a year or two.
 
2011-08-21 11:26:01 AM  

DaShredda: doglover: DaShredda: I use soy sauce to cook with. If you use soy sauce as a condiment, well, the food you are eating must suck.

Sushi, gyoza, sashimi, almost any tofu.... the list goes on, but the suck does not. Many good foods use soy sauce as just that: sauce.


But if you put soy sauce on white rice you don't deserve to eat.

I put wasabi on sushi. Like straight up green paste. No soy. BUT I guess I just like the hot spice, I don't care about the sushi itself.

I should just eat wasabi then...


If you're serious, you should check out wasabi-coated roasted peanuts. I'd never heard of such things, but saw them at BulkBarn* recently and had to try a few. They're crunchy, kinda like biting into a Malteeser (but w/o the malt, obviously), but they do provide that nose-tingling dose of spice. Plus, you get a peanut in the middle!

/*That might be Canada-only, but any sufficiently large bulk store will do.
 
2011-08-21 11:35:07 AM  

Shazam999: Kikkoman is a very poor soy sauce for cooking, BTW. Japanese soy sauces in general aren't meant to be cooked.


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No. If you don't believe me look up "cooking with dog"* on youtube. No link because it's 12:30 at night and I want to sleep. Just understand there will be 80 videos that basically prove your statement 100% in error.


* Cooking With Dog is a youtube video series where a poodle named "Francis" narrates to the audience in English how to cook traditional Japanese dishes. The sauce in MOST Japanese home cooking is a mixture of soy sauce (usually kikkoman), sake(if you can't drink it you can't cook with it either), and mirin (sweet cooking wine)
 
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