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		In the Nanny State, you can be sentenced to four years for orchestrating disorder, even if you didn't orchestrate any disorder (cbc.ca)		143
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Mugato		2011-08-17 12:26:06 PM

Ever listen to a movie score by Danny Elfman?

sigdiamond2000		2011-08-17 12:26:09 PM

This is just another example of PC run amok.

The pussification of America continues.

Walker		2011-08-17 12:34:58 PM

Meanwhile a teacher who beat a 14-year-old student over the head with a dumbbell while screaming "DIE! DIE! DIE!" didn't get any jail time. UK justice. Go figure.

Marcus Aurelius		2011-08-17 12:42:01 PM

And a pack of Gypsies can move into your house while you're out, trash the place, and have the police arrest you when you try to do something about it.

Marcus Aurelius		2011-08-17 12:43:27 PM

Walker: Meanwhile a teacher who beat a 14-year-old student over the head with a dumbbell while screaming "DIE! DIE! DIE!" didn't get any jail time. UK justice. Go figure.

If you've ever tried to teach a class of 14 year olds, you would know that this is a perfectly normal reaction.

ecmoRandomNumbers		2011-08-17 12:52:51 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Walker: Meanwhile a teacher who beat a 14-year-old student over the head with a dumbbell while screaming "DIE! DIE! DIE!" didn't get any jail time. UK justice. Go figure.

If you've ever tried to teach a class of 14 year olds, you would know that this is a perfectly normal reaction.

I like teaching that age group. They understand threats and blackmail. Kindergarten, OTOH, is like being in your own Discovery Channel special on primate behavior.

Comic Book Guy		2011-08-17 01:14:34 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And a pack of Gypsies can move into your house while you're out, trash the place, and have the police arrest you when you try to do something about it.

that's why I fookin' hate pikeys.

DrRatchet		2011-08-17 01:15:19 PM

These guys tried to get a looting riot going, but failed. So, they should get less jail time for being failures?

In other words, we should be rewarding incompetence with Freedom?

Weaver95		2011-08-17 01:48:33 PM

I have an urge to bring order to chaos.

AlwaysRightBoy		2011-08-17 02:08:05 PM

Four years... dudes, it was just a joke... LOL.

zz9		2011-08-17 03:15:09 PM

Joke? Yeah, try saying "I have a bomb! ha! ha!" at an airport and see how the fact that you didn't actually have a bomb doesn't mean you walk free.....

probesport		2011-08-17 03:58:46 PM

Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep.

cgraves67		2011-08-17 03:59:39 PM

What if your orchestrations of disorder result in a symphony of distruction?

Marble68		2011-08-17 04:00:18 PM

A pineapple wouldn't sentence these guys to 4 years.

probesport		2011-08-17 04:00:47 PM

cgraves67: What if your orchestrations of disorder result in a symphony of distruction?

Well, you take a mortal man and put him in control

the_sidewinder		2011-08-17 04:00:56 PM

sigdiamond2000: The pussification of America continues.

massmultiverse.files.wordpress.com

AcneVulgaris		2011-08-17 04:01:42 PM

Try walking around and pointing an empty gun at people, and see where that gets you, subby.

whereisian		2011-08-17 04:02:11 PM

This reminds me of that time I planned to kill this guy, but never actually pulled it off because I got arrested and such.

lunkhed		2011-08-17 04:03:36 PM

They TRIED to get a riot. You get punished for the act, not so much the consequences in the UK.

Whether a riot actually followed or not is pretty well irrelevant. The fact that it didn't had nothing to do with the efforts of these farkwits. They can go to gaol and try to work it out.

jagec		2011-08-17 04:04:00 PM

DrRatchet: These guys tried to get a looting riot going, but failed. So, they should get less jail time for being failures?

In other words, we should be rewarding incompetence with Freedom?

In my opinion, judging intent is almost impossible, and so the criminal justice system should focus strongly on actual damages. In this case, nothing happened. Therefore, the sentence should be light.

On the flip side, if some granny plows through a farmer's market and kills 24 people, I don't want her to get off with just a warning because she "didn't mean to hurt anyone".

Obviously intent should play some role in sentencing, but not a very strong one. Not a very strong one at all.

ron2112		2011-08-17 04:04:16 PM

In the UK, everything is policed except crime.

Seamer		2011-08-17 04:06:00 PM

The motive for the riot just seemed to be 'cuz i want a free big mac.'

Idiots.

probesport		2011-08-17 04:06:07 PM

AcneVulgaris: Try walking around and pointing an empty gun at people, and see where that gets you, subby.

It's an easy way to acquire bullets.....

Self_Manifesto		2011-08-17 04:06:16 PM

Look at the poll results. If your faith in humanity crumbles, it's not my fault.

/I know it's unscientific.

JonnyG		2011-08-17 04:06:28 PM

Everyone needs 4 years in jail. It builds character.

The Dog Ate My Homework		2011-08-17 04:07:55 PM

Russ1642		2011-08-17 04:08:32 PM

I actually agree with punishment based on intent rather than outcome. For example, shooting at someone should carry the exact same punishment if the bullet hits them or not, or if you get them in the shoulder rather than the forehead. These guys tried to incite looting, and whether should get the same sentence as those who were successful. That business aside, what country gives people four years for an internet post? You UK farkers should watch out.

Self_Manifesto		2011-08-17 04:09:37 PM

As much crap as the U.S. gets, at least we have A strong protection against this sort of thought-crime... (new window) for now.

Fano		2011-08-17 04:10:11 PM

What if you master disaster?

probesport		2011-08-17 04:10:21 PM

Russ1642: I actually agree with punishment based on intent rather than outcome. For example, shooting at someone should carry the exact same punishment if the bullet hits them or not, or if you get them in the shoulder rather than the forehead. These guys tried to incite looting, and whether should get the same sentence as those who were successful. That business aside, what country gives people four years for an internet post? You UK farkers should watch out.

So if you went to the bar to get drunk, but only ended up having a couple drinks, was well under intoxicated and was pulled over for an unrelated offense - you should get arrested for DUI?

Dog Welder		2011-08-17 04:10:25 PM

Judging from their mugshots, they don't seem to be contributing a whole lot to society whether they're in jail or out of jail.

Lamune_Baba		2011-08-17 04:12:30 PM

I read this as an "eating disorder" and was quite confused. Perhaps a bulimic had thrown up on a police officer...

SevenT		2011-08-17 04:13:33 PM

Can't just send them to Australia any more... sigh

trappedspirit		2011-08-17 04:14:16 PM

jagec: In my opinion, judging intent is almost impossible, and so the criminal justice system should focus strongly on actual damages. In this case, nothing happened.

Honestly, I just intended for people to go "shhhh" when I yelled "fire" in the theater.
I don't think intent is the best thing to judge this on.

Lord Summerisle		2011-08-17 04:14:47 PM

It is draconian but it's just to scare the shiat out of them. This will certainly be overturned by the appeal court.

g4lt		2011-08-17 04:14:54 PM

Russ1642		2011-08-17 04:14:59 PM

probesport: Russ1642: I actually agree with punishment based on intent rather than outcome. For example, shooting at someone should carry the exact same punishment if the bullet hits them or not, or if you get them in the shoulder rather than the forehead. These guys tried to incite looting, and whether should get the same sentence as those who were successful. That business aside, what country gives people four years for an internet post? You UK farkers should watch out.

So if you went to the bar to get drunk, but only ended up having a couple drinks, was well under intoxicated and was pulled over for an unrelated offense - you should get arrested for DUI?

Fantastic reasoning. Impeccable logic.

MythDragon		2011-08-17 04:15:28 PM

Weaver95: I have an urge to bring order to chaos.

images.wikia.com

/doesn't like chaos either...

unless you are trying to say bring order into chaos, then:
151chan.org

/hot like a psyker's death in the Astronomican

fireclown		2011-08-17 04:15:56 PM

ah, our betters in europe.

thatguyjoe		2011-08-17 04:16:46 PM

Color me confused. Disorder is a bad thing. Organizing disorder means you are reducing the amount of disorder by adding order to it. Shouldn't they have received medals for reducing the amount of chaos in this crazy mixed up world of ours?

Pert		2011-08-17 04:17:27 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And a pack of Gypsies can move into your house while you're out, trash the place, and have the police arrest you when you try to do something about it.

They couldn't under the old law, they can't under the new law.

You're talking utter, utter nonsense. UTTER nonsense.

Can't be bothered to explain why again.

/is British
//lives in UK
///studied land law

wont_eat_bugs		2011-08-17 04:17:39 PM

Self_Manifesto: As much crap as the U.S. gets, at least we have A strong protection against this sort of thought-crime... (new window) for now.

'Revengeance' should be a real word.

/enjoyed 'Clear and Present Danger'
//used to be a Clancy fan

Tatsuhiko		2011-08-17 04:20:16 PM

Eh, I dunno, I feel like Facebook admins could have just removed the group from the site instead of the police getting involved.

AlwaysRightBoy		2011-08-17 04:21:24 PM

SevenT: Can't just send them to Australia any more... sigh

That would be Austria, you.Italian.... We're still in the Dolomites!!

reft		2011-08-17 04:21:40 PM

special20		2011-08-17 04:22:07 PM

If anyone has seen the actual facebook events pages, and truly does know the intent of these young men, then you can go ahead and express your opinion on the ruling. Without more detail, I sure can't get my outrage going. So to the rest of you coming up with these stupid comparisons like pointing an unloaded weapon at people, or shouting I have a bomb while in an airport, please stuff it. Thanks.

Pert		2011-08-17 04:22:54 PM

Walker: Meanwhile a teacher who beat a 14-year-old student over the head with a dumbbell while screaming "DIE! DIE! DIE!" didn't get any jail time. UK justice. Go figure.

Yeah - what a country!

Well-respected and hard-working teacher is driven to mental illness via abusive pupils, not given any help or support, snaps one day and causes some harm (but not enormous injury) to an abusive pupil, having already warned his superiors that he was at breaking point. Admits his crime, gets sentenced to community service + help.

vs

Complete scum inciting violence and theft whilst the country suffers from the worst outbreak of widespread rioting in decades.

And your point is?

Oh, you didn't have one did you........

/for what it's worth, 4 years is a bit harsh, it's just your comparison that is idiotic

Lost Thought 00		2011-08-17 04:24:31 PM

In the US, you can be executed even after you've been found innocent

Krieghund		2011-08-17 04:24:56 PM

From wikipedia:As every state in the United States has its own laws (subject to the Supremacy Clause), each has its own definition of a riot. In New York State, for example, the term riot is not defined explicitly, but under § 240.08 of the N.Y. Penal Law due to the fact there was much fighting in the streets, "A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm."

In other words, try the exact same thing in the USA and you'll get the exact same result.

tira		2011-08-17 04:25:19 PM

I think people are missing the REAL point of this sub >.>

4 years for ATTEMPTED inciting a riot. Not ACTUALLY inciting a riot, not ACTUALLY causing any crimes, in fact the INTENT to cause a crime is pretty shaky. Sure, punish them for being stupid kids, but some community service or something! Or better yet, actually charge the people who did ACTUAL looting.

.....

OH MY GOD!

This is like....gun control! You can't go after the people actually committing the crimes, so go after the people who are just poking the red line with their finger. Some sort of....Facebook control....

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