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2011-08-17 12:42:41 AM
Is it really hoarding, if the thing being hoarded is free to leave anytime it wishes?
 
2011-08-17 12:55:02 AM
Seven HUNDRED?
 
2011-08-17 01:04:52 AM

Sgygus: Seven HUNDRED?


This.
 
2011-08-17 01:06:39 AM
A High Springs couple accused of hoarding; 692 cats have been arrested.
 
2011-08-17 01:07:54 AM
There's a crazy cat lady in California who has 700 cats. However, she's arguably not hoarding.

Argument? She spends $45,000 per MONTH on the care and feeding of her cats. These dorks didn't spend that in a year.
 
2011-08-17 01:10:08 AM
Now that's a lot of pussy....
 
2011-08-17 01:11:35 AM
Do they wholesale to Korean restaurants?
 
2011-08-17 01:12:16 AM
I guess they're unaware that they can't hug every cat (new window).
 
2011-08-17 01:20:27 AM
Jesus farking christ how could they breathe when they went into the warehouse?
 
2011-08-17 01:23:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: There's a crazy cat lady in California who has 700 cats. However, she's arguably not hoarding.

Argument? She spends $45,000 per MONTH on the care and feeding of her cats. These dorks didn't spend that in a year.


How does a crazy cat lady come up with 45K a month? Why isn't that 45K a month going to, say, clean water efforts in Africa?

/People>Pets. Always.
 
2011-08-17 01:27:24 AM
shiat. I must have ~1000 of them just in my internet cache.
 
2011-08-17 01:32:32 AM
There was a Mexican lady in our neighborhood that left 70 cats in her apartment when she was evicted.

/neighbors remember her going around door to door selling homemade tamales

// there were 20 more cats locked in a storage unit behind the apartment... and a cleaver and butcher block.

///csb?
virgule virgule virgule
 
2011-08-17 01:34:34 AM
But she did admit that they may have gone overboard and acquired too many cats.

The first step is to admit you have a problem.
The second step is you get booked and finger printed.
 
2011-08-17 01:38:22 AM
Wanted for questioning:

assets0.ordienetworks.com

/I'm getting emotional again...
 
2011-08-17 01:39:14 AM
FTFA (just under the headline): "Humane Society officials call it one of the largest cat hoarding cases in U.S. history"

Has someone actually hoarded MORE than 700 cats? Don't get me wrong, I'm a cat person, but I'm happy with two. 700+ is just so absolutely batshiat insane that I can't even imagine keeping that many, even in a warehouse like the one mentioned in the article.
 
2011-08-17 01:40:16 AM
Caturday already?
 
2011-08-17 01:41:00 AM

video man: Gyrfalcon: There's a crazy cat lady in California who has 700 cats. However, she's arguably not hoarding.

Argument? She spends $45,000 per MONTH on the care and feeding of her cats. These dorks didn't spend that in a year.

How does a crazy cat lady come up with 45K a month? Why isn't that 45K a month going to, say, clean water efforts in Africa?

/People>Pets. Always.


Clearly you've not spent long on Fark. Cats > people. Read any single thread in which people are involved, then compare to any single thread with cats involved. Jot down derogatory comments, total to positive comments total, subtract the obvious trolls from each category, and then draw up ratios for each thread. I promise you'll be surprised. I could write up an algorithm to automate it of you would like.
 
2011-08-17 01:41:46 AM
I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?
 
2011-08-17 01:43:42 AM
Jesus, I hate stories like this.
 
2011-08-17 01:44:16 AM
Also (DERP), on topic: Folks down the street got busted for having 90+ underfed cats a couple years back. They seemed like they meant well initially, but just let it get out of hand. The video of the cats on the news was heartbreaking. All of them had to be euthanized :(
 
2011-08-17 01:45:34 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Go with SPCA they usually are rather normal with their rules
 
2011-08-17 01:49:31 AM
On the plus side to my story... we did have an out-of-control stray problem in the neighborhood before she moved in, which seemed to mysteriously go away...
 
2011-08-17 01:51:02 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


That is batshiat insane.
 
2011-08-17 01:53:27 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Yes.

Get a cat from the county animal shelter or the SPCA. They are happy to find a home for the animals, and usually the price to adopt is pretty reasonable and they can give you a voucher for spay/neuter. Or you can find someone who is giving away kittens for free. Craigslist has been cracking down on these lately but you can still find them. Right now at the end of summer the animal shelters will be chock full of adoptable kittens.

Personally I would not adopt a pet under those conditions. That seems crazy restrictive and I'd prefer regular vet care to whatever they are into.

Some animal rescues go a little overboard. I'd pass on these guys. Some rescues seem like they put impossible restrictions on the adoptions because they are actually hoarders and don't want to actually adopt anything.

Good luck!
 
2011-08-17 01:55:23 AM
What a crappy article.

They left out some things. See http://www.havenacres.org/

Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary is a private, no kill animal shelter owned and operated by Steve and Pennie Lefkowitz.
Located on 8 acres of rural, agricultural land in Alachua County, FL on the outskirts of the city of High Springs, Steve and Pennie share their home with 200 cats, a dog, several horses, and some roosters.
Concerned about the high euthanasia rate at Animal Services, Steve and Pennie decided to incorporate and became Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary, Inc. In 2003 and were granted 501(c)(3) non-profit status in 2005. Since its inception, no cat that has needed help has been turned away.
 
2011-08-17 01:57:22 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Humane Society or SPCA. There is neeeever a shortage of dogs or cats to go to a good home. Don't be taken in by soulful eyes unless you are comfortable with the *entire* package.

*glances down thread* Er. Nevermind. Already been said. :)

I am about to (hopefully) get my very first pet for my family. I have had pets growing up, but they were ultimately my parents' responsibility if I farked up. I'm the parent now. I'm a little nervous but excited. :)
 
2011-08-17 01:58:13 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Don't forget to give them a key and your bank account number.
 
2011-08-17 01:59:11 AM
CSB time; just about an hour ago on the way home from the bar I found a very thin and terrified stray, maybe a couple of months old. It was mewing at me, almost as if asking for help, while still being afraid to draw near me... I sidled past her and jogged a half a block to the Circle-K and bought a can of sardines, and backtracked to it. I sat down beside it and slowly fed it until it was eating out of my hand... my hope had been to either scruff it or wrap it in my shirt and get it home to take care of it and get it shots... once it'd finished, I accidentally startled it, so I ran back to the store to grab some more sardines and some wet catfood. Unfortunately, while I was in there, the store was held up and I got stuck in there until the situation was over with. When I got out, I had lots of cat-related relief effort stuff, but the cat had since wandered off. I looked for it for a bit, but it was long gone and it was too dark to really search the area. I am happy that I fed at at least for the night, and hope I run into it again in the coming days so I can make an effort at snagging it and helping it. If not, well, at least I tried.

/allergic to cats, horribly
//let's see that stop me
///virgule
 
2011-08-17 02:00:54 AM
Oh and Thank you, Purina for your most generous food
donation of 2220 lbs of dry cat food March 25, 2011 to Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary

www.havenacres.org (new window)

crappy article bent your perspective?
 
2011-08-17 02:04:09 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Our newest addition was adopted from our local vet's office. A woman who had been their customer had passed away and they rounded up the mother & her kittens from her barn. $20 adoption fee (which acted as a deposit on the kitten's spay), and they've known her for her whole life. So look to local vets if you don't have a reputable shelter or SPCA (and the nuts you're dealing with do not sound reputable).

As far as the story goes, my (non-custodial) mother had 36 cats when I was a kid. Not surprisingly, her home was declared condemned. I can't imagine how anyone could have more than a few, let alone 700.
 
2011-08-17 02:05:45 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


That is insane.
And probably illegal too.

Get a yourself a nice kitteh from a shelter that doesn't have major "control issues". Too bad you're not from around here. Our local Humane society is so full, they are giving cats away and letting people "priceline" the dogs.
 
2011-08-17 02:06:47 AM

awalkingecho: once it'd finished, I accidentally startled it, so I ran back to the store to grab some more sardines and some wet catfood. Unfortunately, while I was in there, the store was held up and I got stuck in there until the situation was over with.


You are a good person. But very strange. In a good way.
 
2011-08-17 02:09:56 AM

newton: crappy article bent your perspective?


The article didn't affect me too much one way or another, except that line at the end where 100 cats had to be put down. While I thought that was pretty decent odds (sometimes they have to put ALL the animals down), I'd like to see information that explains why so many cats were basically unadoptable (by whomever's assessment).
 
2011-08-17 02:11:53 AM

marxychick1: As far as the story goes, my (non-custodial) mother had 36 cats when I was a kid. Not surprisingly, her home was declared condemned. I can't imagine how anyone could have more than a few, let alone 700.


Mine had 5 cats, 2 dogs (large), and some fish. What it taught me is that only neurotic clean freaks should own more than 2 animals. Luckily for me, my mother is a neurotic clean freak.

/Is vacuuming twice a day really that necessary, ma? Seriously? :\
 
2011-08-17 02:13:07 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Yes. I've been adopted by 5 cats, 4 from shelters (and one from off the street). The most one shelter asked of us was to never let someone else adopt the cat without the shelter's permission, and not to declaw them (not that I would have, anyway).
/spay and neuter your kittehs, people
 
2011-08-17 02:13:54 AM
Thanks for the replies! Going to two SPCA locations Friday.
 
2011-08-17 02:16:33 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Thanks for the replies! Going to two SPCA locations Friday.


Good for you. A last word of advice if you're a sucker for a fuzzy face like myself; sleep on it. At my local shelter, they'll allow you to be listed as a person of interest, so you can go home and mull your choices over.

Which is damn good, cause we went in looking for a cat that was affectionate. I expected a 5% result. More like 75%. Those cats want some serious farkin' loving.
 
2011-08-17 02:16:51 AM

awalkingecho: CSB time; just about an hour ago on the way home from the bar I found a very thin and terrified stray, maybe a couple of months old. It was mewing at me, almost as if asking for help, while still being afraid to draw near me... I sidled past her and jogged a half a block to the Circle-K and bought a can of sardines, and backtracked to it. I sat down beside it and slowly fed it until it was eating out of my hand... my hope had been to either scruff it or wrap it in my shirt and get it home to take care of it and get it shots... once it'd finished, I accidentally startled it, so I ran back to the store to grab some more sardines and some wet catfood. Unfortunately, while I was in there, the store was held up and I got stuck in there until the situation was over with. When I got out, I had lots of cat-related relief effort stuff, but the cat had since wandered off. I looked for it for a bit, but it was long gone and it was too dark to really search the area. I am happy that I fed at at least for the night, and hope I run into it again in the coming days so I can make an effort at snagging it and helping it. If not, well, at least I tried.

/allergic to cats, horribly
//let's see that stop me
///virgule


Wait. What?

Strange things are amiss at the Circle-K, Ted.
 
2011-08-17 02:18:39 AM

LawyersRock: awalkingecho: CSB time; just about an hour ago on the way home from the bar I found a very thin and terrified stray, maybe a couple of months old. It was mewing at me, almost as if asking for help, while still being afraid to draw near me... I sidled past her and jogged a half a block to the Circle-K and bought a can of sardines, and backtracked to it. I sat down beside it and slowly fed it until it was eating out of my hand... my hope had been to either scruff it or wrap it in my shirt and get it home to take care of it and get it shots... once it'd finished, I accidentally startled it, so I ran back to the store to grab some more sardines and some wet catfood. Unfortunately, while I was in there, the store was held up and I got stuck in there until the situation was over with. When I got out, I had lots of cat-related relief effort stuff, but the cat had since wandered off. I looked for it for a bit, but it was long gone and it was too dark to really search the area. I am happy that I fed at at least for the night, and hope I run into it again in the coming days so I can make an effort at snagging it and helping it. If not, well, at least I tried.

/allergic to cats, horribly
//let's see that stop me
///virgule

Wait. What?

Strange things are amissafoot at the Circle-K, Ted.


/fixed
 
2011-08-17 02:25:21 AM

LawyersRock:

Wait. What?

Strange things are amiss at the Circle-K, Ted.


Weird timing; as I was in line to check out the stuff I was buying for the cat, a guy walked in and demanded the clerk empty the register... for all of like the 38 dollars or whatever that was in it. But I certainly wasn't going to move so I waited it out patiently; I had nothing on me of value since I keep cards on me, only (Thanks, Daytona Beach!) and after the situation was over, I helped with the police reports, paid for the items, and went out but the cat was long gone. I hope I run into it again some night. I've got no other use for Friskees. I can eat the sardines, though.
 
2011-08-17 02:32:23 AM

Gyrfalcon: There's a crazy cat lady in California who has 700 cats. However, she's arguably not hoarding.

Argument? She spends $45,000 per MONTH on the care and feeding of her cats. These dorks didn't spend that in a year.


She's hoarding. She just has the money to take care of them. It's still hoarding.
 
2011-08-17 02:34:38 AM
My cat is demanding I pay attention to him so I'm getting a kick, HE KNOWS when I'm reading about other cats some how.... Also this is sad. Poor kitties, they deserved better.
 
2011-08-17 02:38:14 AM

ecor1: Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?

Yes.

Get a cat from the county animal shelter or the SPCA. They are happy to find a home for the animals, and usually the price to adopt is pretty reasonable and they can give you a voucher for spay/neuter. Or you can find someone who is giving away kittens for free. Craigslist has been cracking down on these lately but you can still find them. Right now at the end of summer the animal shelters will be chock full of adoptable kittens.

Personally I would not adopt a pet under those conditions. That seems crazy restrictive and I'd prefer regular vet care to whatever they are into.

Some animal rescues go a little overboard. I'd pass on these guys. Some rescues seem like they put impossible restrictions on the adoptions because they are actually hoarders and don't want to actually adopt anything.

Good luck!


And that's the truth, ruth. It's really frustrating to read about yet another rescue operation having to rescue animals........... from other 'rescue operations'. And the story repeats itself over and over and over. All these non-profits/no-kills out there which are really just hoarding situations, accepting money from strangers and not having jobs because the donations take care of everything (except for the animals true well being). It makes the good fosters look bad.

To Bonanza Jellybean, it is nutty, unfortunately it's not unheard of among the hoarders ecor1 rightfully describes. Pray for the animals, and keep searching. There are good fosters/ rescues out there.
 
2011-08-17 03:27:39 AM
FTFA: She said they spent more than $33,000 on the shelter last year alone.

Maybe if "she" had spent a few of those bucks on a pay TV connection so she could watch some of those "Animal Cops" shows "she" might have been able to come to the obvious conclusion that "she" was suffering from some kind of hugely serious mental problem!
 
2011-08-17 03:47:02 AM
So, just to do my occasional side job as Solicitor for Old Nick......

They had 700(ish) cats that they were keeping, alive. Evil bastards! Good thing we came in, arrested them, took the 700 (live) cats, and more than decimated them. (Decimate, for those playing along with our home game, means to kill 1 in 10 of the population. They killed 1 in 7!).

They, in this case, being the "good" people of the police and humane society. Killed 1 in 7. Wait a sec, who's the bad guy again?

//I did not actually research what conditions the 700 cats were kept in, but "alive" is usually considered a plus!
 
2011-08-17 03:47:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: There's a crazy cat lady in California who has 700 cats. However, she's arguably not hoarding.

Argument? She spends $45,000 per MONTH on the care and feeding of her cats. These dorks didn't spend that in a year.


Came here to say this. I have been to the California shelter and it's amazing. The owner Lynea is a real trooper. The place is CLEAN, but it takes many full time staff to keep it that way. The way it is portrayed in the recent documentary is fairly accurate. Here is someone who has devoted her life to taking care of cats abandoned or otherwise mistreated by complete idiots, which is is fond of chewing out on the phone and for good reason.

I can't imagine what kind of treatment only $33k a year brings. The cats were probably starving to death and got no medical treatment whatsoever.
 
2011-08-17 03:52:40 AM
Also, some perspective: Lynea correctly states in the documentary that the local shelter (fresno) euthanizes 200 cats per DAY. So her 700 cats represent less than 4 days worth of that, from ONE SHELTER.

It's like bailing out the pacific ocean with a spoon. Until people are responsible with their pets (which will be never) the problem will never end. hate people sometimes...
 
Skr
2011-08-17 04:10:56 AM
They still didn't get as much as Wilt Chamberlain did.. wait uh what were we talking about again?
 
2011-08-17 04:19:58 AM
i182.photobucket.com

If any of y'all are in the New England/NY area, and are looking to adopt something smaller, smarter, and more affectionate than most of the cats I've met, I highly suggest looking at Mainely Rat Rescue (new window). They've just been hit with the intake from 2 hoarders in the less than 2 months, and have a ton of little ratties looking for homes.

We got these two little guys shortly after the first hoarder incident. They were sitting in the window during a rainstorm and got soaked, but enjoyed it too much to get out of the weather...

Mainely's restrictions are basically that you make sure they get proper care, and if you need to rehome the rats for some reason, you contact them about taking 'em back first.
 
2011-08-17 04:28:23 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Totally nutty. My guess is that they don't really want to adopt out any cats, but have to have the option out there so that they can call themselves a "shelter" rather than "a crazy hippy couple that is hoarding cats".

I have six cats, I love them all, and I would never agree to this sort of nonsense. Go to a real shelter, or just hit Craig's List. Got the last four cats (not all at the same time) that way, and it's worked out great.
 
2011-08-17 04:29:31 AM

Farabor: So, just to do my occasional side job as Solicitor for Old Nick......

They had 700(ish) cats that they were keeping, alive. Evil bastards! Good thing we came in, arrested them, took the 700 (live) cats, and more than decimated them. (Decimate, for those playing along with our home game, means to kill 1 in 10 of the population. They killed 1 in 7!).

They, in this case, being the "good" people of the police and humane society. Killed 1 in 7. Wait a sec, who's the bad guy again?

//I did not actually research what conditions the 700 cats were kept in, but "alive" is usually considered a plus!


When groups like the Humane Society do large-scale rescues like this, they do their damnedest to keep as many of the animals alive and adoptable as possible. After all, that's the whole POINT of the Humane Society. Animals that are euthanized after rescues like this are put down because they're either too sick/injured to save, or too feral to safely adopt out.

Now, I freely admit to misgivings over that second category. Just because the animal's not friendly enough to ever be a true "pet" shouldn't mean an instant trip to the grave. It's the first category that gets me. Animal hoarders generally end up with a lot of sick animals, and the more animals they have the larger the problem with illness becomes. Cats in such situations are particularly prone to infections in their eyes and respiratory systems. How well do you think a single elderly couple was able to stay on top of the medical care for 700 cats? Just to keep all the cats updated on their shots, they'd be averaging out to 2 cats taken to the vet every day, with no days off, for a solid year. And remember, the article states that all of these cats were being kept in a warehouse. Can you imagine how difficult it would be to keep that warehouse from behind hugely infested with fleas? Fleas alone can pose a huge health problem: some cats are allergic to their bites and will develop skin lesions; fleas aid the spread of tapeworms; and a cat sufficiently infested with fleas can suffer from acute anemia brought on by blood loss from so many flea bites, particularly kittens - and since the article helpfully tells us that the rescued cats are currently being fixed, you can bet your buns there were kittens in that warehouse.

"'Alive' is usually a plus," you say. That is only true if continued life is not merely extending the suffering. 700 cats stuffed in a warehouse, one-seventh of them too ill or wild to ever find homes...that sounds like a whole lot of suffering to me.
 
2011-08-17 05:09:45 AM
If you get a free kitten from Craigslist, you are going to have to get kitten vaccines, boosters, checkups, spay or neuter, deworming and so on. That'll run 250. Get a cat from an accredited shelter like many SPCAs, you will pay 150 for a cat and not pay a dime on all the things I just listed for your "free" kitten.

I used to get people at the SPCA who were pissed that the cat "cost" $150. I said, "You're paying the vet bill. The cat is, essentially, free."

Bonus is that about 4% of cats don't survive general anaesthesia, even in the best situations. At the shelter, they are not someone's pet. The vets and staff do get upset, but you don't have a pissed off owner. And, since the cat survived that, it is likely that if the cat needs surgery in the future, you already know the cat can handle it.
 
2011-08-17 05:21:51 AM
VOICE-OVER Here, in his four thousand acre nature reserve in Southern Bavaria, Frank Tutankhamun has dedicated his life to preserving mice. We spoke to his nearby neighbour, Mrs Betty Weiss.

MRS WEISS (a Germanic pepperpot) Hallo.

VOICE-OVER Hallo. Mr Tutankhamun claims that his eight white mice roam in these mountains and hills.

TUTANKHAMUN Well, there's one over there, there's two of the little fellows on this plateau here, and I think "Old Squeaky" is up on that mountain there.

VOICE-OVER Many wildlife preservationists have questioned the need for preserving eight mice on these four thousand acres, when there are over sixty million of them in nearby Stuttgart alone.


/you should also check out the fish park
 
2011-08-17 05:24:52 AM
That was Monty Python in case you didn't know.
 
2011-08-17 06:57:52 AM

newton: What a crappy article.

They left out some things. See http://www.havenacres.org/

Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary is a private, no kill animal shelter owned and operated by Steve and Pennie Lefkowitz.
Located on 8 acres of rural, agricultural land in Alachua County, FL on the outskirts of the city of High Springs, Steve and Pennie share their home with 200 cats, a dog, several horses, and some roosters.
Concerned about the high euthanasia rate at Animal Services, Steve and Pennie decided to incorporate and became Haven Acres Cat Sanctuary, Inc. In 2003 and were granted 501(c)(3) non-profit status in 2005. Since its inception, no cat that has needed help has been turned away.


Many hoarding operations are licensed in just this manner. The problem is that people with good intentions go overboard and end up becoming hoarders. A license and financial resources are not enough to make a good shelter.

For one thing, I can bet you that they did not have a license for 700 animals. Most states strictly control the number of animals allowed in view of the amount of space and the staff available to care for them.

And unless this place had a sizable staff, there is no way they were providing proper basic care to the cats

Beyond that, shelter an animal is more than just feeding it and giving it medical care. They need human interaction and mental stimulation. When you simply warehouse animals, they develop behavioral and other mental issues because simply being kept in a box is mental torture to them.

The real tragedy here is that the cats rescued from this operation now have to be placed in other shelters. Which means those shelters will not have space and other rescues will have to go to municipal shelters where they will probably be euthanized (a cat as a 1 in 5 MILLION chance of getting adopted).
 
2011-08-17 07:46:06 AM
she spent 33,000 dollars last year at THE shelter....

one shelter.

They didnt know?
 
2011-08-17 08:07:38 AM

Contents Under Pressure: If you get a free kitten from Craigslist, you are going to have to get kitten vaccines, boosters, checkups, spay or neuter, deworming and so on. That'll run 250. Get a cat from an accredited shelter like many SPCAs, you will pay 150 for a cat and not pay a dime on all the things I just listed for your "free" kitten.


Here in Oakland Co, MI it's $57.50. Includes free license.
 
2011-08-17 08:09:54 AM
692 cats but only 35 of them were in bad enough shape to file charges about them. That means that 95% of these cats were treated well. And since they were taking in abused and mistreated cats, some of those 35 charges might be because of the way the cats were when they were brought to the place.

All that being said----692 cats? WTF?
 
2011-08-17 08:12:43 AM
The rest have been receiving treatment and are being spayed and neutered by University of Florida veterinary students.

There's some shiat luck of the draw for the cats.

"That's an F Bobby."
 
2011-08-17 08:21:14 AM

RatMaster999: [i182.photobucket.com image 640x480]

If any of y'all are in the New England/NY area, and are looking to adopt something smaller, smarter, and more affectionate than most of the cats I've met, I highly suggest looking at Mainely Rat Rescue


That's perfect! My cats love the taste of rat.
 
2011-08-17 08:26:35 AM
i780.photobucket.com
 
2011-08-17 08:33:39 AM
692 is a lot of cats but that's better than people leaving their foreclosed homes and locking their cats in the closet to starve. I have 9 cats and some would say that's too many,....then again, I'm a certified cat wrangler. Things get pretty expensive when it's shot & rabies vaccination time,......Oh, all of mine are spayed or nuetered.
 
2011-08-17 09:26:23 AM
As a counterpoint to TFA... may I present long-time, much-loved, well-respected Farkers:

Little Mews (new window)

These folks are Caturday regulars, dispense equal portions of jocularity and sensible critter advice and deserve EVERY F*CKING BREAK they can get...so if anyone is feeling chuff on HumpDay...

To quote the John Wesley Rule:

Do all the good you can,
By all the means you can,
In all the ways you can,
In all the places you can,
At all the times you can,
To all the people you can,
As long as ever you can."

...you know what to do.
 
2011-08-17 09:47:59 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


That's nutty. There are plenty of good rescues that don't have those wacky requirements. They do want to make sure that the animals are going to good homes, and won't be returned for dumb reasons. I would never agree to an adoption contract like that. They are power tripping and aren't really invested in the cats best interests. Being able to pay the adoption fee, describing how you are going to take care of the animal, and having a vet reference should be good enough.

/have 4 dogs, 2 from rescues, one from the shelter, and one off the street (13 wk old puppy dumped in my old neighborhood).
 
2011-08-17 09:53:16 AM

HighZoolander: Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?

That is batshiat insane.


Rescue organizations are notoriously idiotic with their requirements. It took me 6 months to adopt my Great Dane after being turned down by 4 organizations. I have 3 perfectly healthy, completely indoor cats, all adopted from various SPCA locations, but because I don't take them to the vet once every 6 mos., all these rescue agencies black-balled me. Another who *did* want to give me a chance denied me a dog because my neighbor had two of those yappy little things and the foster "parent" felt that the dog I wanted to adopt would never be comfortable at my home.

Finally waited until a Great Dane showed up on PetFinder's SPCA page & snagged my dog. I've had her 2 1/2 years now.

/She's been to the vet 4 times--mostly for allergies
//Cats still haven't been
 
2011-08-17 09:56:23 AM
FTA: "692 cats have been arrested"

www.templeofcats.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
/stick em up
 
2011-08-17 10:10:13 AM
I had to check and see if my ex was involved...

Not this time.
 
2011-08-17 10:10:51 AM
These people don't meet the profile of an animal hoarder. I think they meant well, and just got carried away. It is not possible for two people to care for so many cats. I know several people who operate private, not-for-profit cat shelters and who work closely with local pet adoption agencies and animal control authorities. But in this state, one must have a cattery license to do so, be regularly inspected by the Dept. of Agriculture, have a vet in retainer, etc.
 
2011-08-17 10:11:38 AM
Pet names for the SPCAs around here are Dachau and Auschwitz.

You do realize that only about 10% of cats in those shelter are "adoptable" meaning young, cute, and nice looking. Try taking a rescued cat to one and see what you fill out to leave the cat there. Basically you have no right to ask what happens. The cat's life expectancy is about 3 days. This applies to any cat you might own also.

The other end of the deal are these people -- good intentions, bad fundraising, bad politics, and a community that doesn't have a clue.

A real nokill shelter will have a very long waiting list, even for the winner of Caterday.
 
2011-08-17 10:30:25 AM
operation cat nip!

i.imgur.com
 
2011-08-17 10:32:13 AM

hackhix: operation cat nip!

[i.imgur.com image 640x465]


What... the....

Is that how they spay/neuter cats? Holy fark!

Photoshop right? Please? Please...?
 
2011-08-17 10:55:00 AM

Aidan: hackhix: operation cat nip!

[i.imgur.com image 640x465]

What... the....

Is that how they spay/neuter cats? Holy fark!

Photoshop right? Please? Please...?


Not shopped (new window)
 
2011-08-17 10:56:20 AM
 
2011-08-17 11:08:12 AM
8 surgeons
10 min per spay (note all the shaved bellies)
------
48 spays per hour

Anesthesia (ketamine/valium) lasts about an hour
No pain, no fear, no sensation of restraint

Sterile technique in use, clean surgical suite.


imokaywiththis.jpg
 
2011-08-17 11:08:43 AM

hackhix: Not shopped (new window)


Cool. I realized after my freakout that they're all drugged up, but the first thing my brain shouted was "OMG waterboarding kitties!"

So..... Yeah. :)
 
2011-08-17 11:15:26 AM

Aidan: What... the....

Is that how they spay/neuter cats? Holy fark!

Photoshop right? Please? Please...?


You must never have seen any surgery on humans. This is tame. These cats are anesthetized and are perfectly fine. These are all females, who will be spayed. The natural position for an unconscious cat is on it's side. you can't do abdominal surgery in this position. So, they are given Pentothal or some other narcoleptic and strapped to the laparotomy board so the surgeon can do his/her work.
 
2011-08-17 11:50:04 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Yes, it is.

The agency I foster for just asks that you take the cat to the vet within 10 days of adoption (or make the appt) and that if you can't keep the cat, to contact them to make arrangements instead of just tossing it out. I know they do "background checks" with other agencies to make sure you don't have a reputation as a hoarder, serial adopter (adopt as kitten, return when adult), etc but no unannounced visits for the next 10-15 years.
 
2011-08-17 11:52:20 AM

varmitydog: 692 cats but only 35 of them were in bad enough shape to file charges about them. That means that 95% of these cats were treated well. And since they were taking in abused and mistreated cats, some of those 35 charges might be because of the way the cats were when they were brought to the place.

All that being said----692 cats? WTF?


i don't think that's necessarily correct (the 95% treated well)

the article also stated that 100 were put down
 
2011-08-17 12:09:49 PM
It sounds like the Black Hole of Calcutta. Except for cats.
 
2011-08-17 12:59:43 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Yes, it is. Do not agree to these conditions. It's one thing to require a check-up with a vet within a week or so after adoption (a wise precaution) and even to a pre-adoption inspection of where the animal will live, but the shelter has no right to demand you use an quack medicine. And you should never, ever agree to unannounced visits. No reputable agency is going to require anything like this. These people are nuts. Stay away from them. Find another rescue agency nearby. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, there will be alternatives. If there aren't, contact a vet and let him/her know that you are interested in adopting a cat. Vets get a lot of animals left on their doorsteps.

/Have worked in cat rescue and adopted my fare share over the years.
 
2011-08-17 01:25:07 PM

JackieRabbit: You must never have seen any surgery on humans.


Seen, no. Been, yes. I think I'll treasure my naivete on this issue. :)

/Also I'm totally sharing that picture with everyone I know, cause it's awesome
 
2011-08-17 01:30:12 PM
I like cats just fine. Caturday makes my day. 700 cats is a bit much though. The smell...ugh.
 
2011-08-17 01:36:34 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


No, for cat people, this is normal. Enjoy!

//lude
 
2011-08-17 02:29:26 PM

lude: No, for crazy cat people, this is normal. Enjoy!


FTFY
 
2011-08-17 03:57:09 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


That is VERY unusual, granted in the cat rescue community you get a LOT OF HIPPIES, but the whole unannounced home visits and vet stuff is weird.

Funny thing is I just got off the home with a fellow rescuer who went on and on about colloidal sliver and how tap water gave her cat bladder issues. Nice lady, just a hippie.
 
2011-08-17 04:49:29 PM
Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?

I volunteer for a rescue group and we don't do home visits, but a lot of groups do. One pre-adoption home visit is the usual. It's normal to require that the animal see the vet within a certain amount of time, forbid declawing and require that if you can't keep the animal, return it to the group.

Consulting with them before any vet visit and a lifetime of surprise home visits is not reasonable and as others have said, you can go to your local shelter or another rescue group to adopt a cat. Usually it's the breed specific dog rescue groups, especially the ones for small dogs, who have the crazy requirements for adoption.

/our group has 700+ cats right now!!
//if you're in Austin, come see us. Austin Pets Alive! We're trying to do 2000 adoptions between August 1--October 31.
///Austin is the largest No Kill city in the country!!
 
2011-08-17 05:51:09 PM

JackieRabbit: Aidan: What... the....

Is that how they spay/neuter cats? Holy fark!

Photoshop right? Please? Please...?

You must never have seen any surgery on humans. This is tame. These cats are anesthetized and are perfectly fine. These are all females, who will be spayed. The natural position for an unconscious cat is on it's side. you can't do abdominal surgery in this position. So, they are given Pentothal or some other narcoleptic and strapped to the laparotomy board so the surgeon can do his/her work.


True, people are strapped up and tied down in all kinds of crazy positions for surgery!
Check out photos of a circumcision board, that's how they strap down baby boys.

The cats are just fine, they do the surgery quickly and the vet techs takes care of the rest.
 
2011-08-17 05:53:57 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: I've been looking into adopting a cat recently (never had a pet before, but took care of my sister's cat for two weeks and fell in love with the little snuggleface), and the nearest shelter is run by some crazy hippies. Their adoption contract stipulates that you have to contact them before going to a vet for ANY issue, since they prefer to use holistic/homeopathic methods on the animals they give up for adoption. They also require you to agree to unannounced home visits for the lifetime of the animal, so they can make sure you're taking care of it properly. Is this stuff as nutty/unusual as it sounds?


Some shelters are like that and they must have enough people coming in to adopt anyway.

Most rescues want to do home visits because we need to know where the cat is going to be living. People lie enough to make this necessary.
 
2011-08-17 06:09:14 PM

Contents Under Pressure: If you get a free kitten from Craigslist, you are going to have to get kitten vaccines, boosters, checkups, spay or neuter, deworming and so on. That'll run 250. Get a cat from an accredited shelter like many SPCAs, you will pay 150 for a cat and not pay a dime on all the things I just listed for your "free" kitten.

I used to get people at the SPCA who were pissed that the cat "cost" $150. I said, "You're paying the vet bill. The cat is, essentially, free."

Bonus is that about 4% of cats don't survive general anaesthesia, even in the best situations. At the shelter, they are not someone's pet. The vets and staff do get upset, but you don't have a pissed off owner. And, since the cat survived that, it is likely that if the cat needs surgery in the future, you already know the cat can handle it.


I hear that every day. I charge an adoption fee of $85-100, the cats have all shots, tested for feline leukemia/FIV/heartworm, given flea preventative monthly, wormed, spayed/neutered and microchipped.

People balk and say that costs to much for a cat, so they go to the paper and get a free kitten. But the people around here who take in the free kittens are also the people who never bring them to the vet, then throw them out on the street when the cat gets pregnant.

Then I have to deal with the unwanted kittens months later.
 
2011-08-17 06:27:01 PM

DesertZephyr: As a counterpoint to TFA... may I present long-time, much-loved, well-respected Farkers:

Little Mews (new window)

These folks are Caturday regulars, dispense equal portions of jocularity and sensible critter advice and deserve EVERY F*CKING BREAK they can get...so if anyone is feeling chuff on HumpDay...

To quote the John Wesley Rule:

Do all the good you can,
By all the means you can,
In all the ways you can,
In all the places you can,
At all the times you can,
To all the people you can,
As long as ever you can."

...you know what to do.


Thanks for telling the world about us!! Since it's summertime we're up to the rafters with unwanted cats and kittens. Luckily we don't have 700 of them, but we have a lot. Since we don't have an adoption center facility, we have cats in our home as well as in foster homes around the county.
We're still working on getting a building, takes a lot of money we just don't have. Need someone willing to hold a small mortgage since the banks are ridiculously expensive for a commercial mortgage, even for a non profit organization. One of these days we'll get there, but not any time soon so we have to limit how many cats we can take in.
All expenses come out of our pockets or from donations. Every cat we take in costs at least a hundred dollars just for basic vetting. No free vets around here.

Taking care of 700 cats without adopting them out is hoarding, no need to wind up with that many.

If anyone feels generous and wants to help with caring for some cats and kittens, here's the link to our donation page. Link (new window) We really appreciate all the help we can get!

See you on Caturday!!
 
2011-08-17 09:05:26 PM

Lachwen: Farabor: So, just to do my occasional side job as Solicitor for Old Nick......


"'Alive' is usually a plus," you say. That is only true if continued life is not merely extending the suffering. 700 cats stuffed in a warehouse, one-seventh of them too ill or wild to ever find homes...that sounds like a whole lot of suffering to me.



Once again, I did not actually do any research into the details of this case, just playing devil's advocate. But you have your facts from the article slightly mixed up. The relevant quote is below, because I'm lazy about finding HTML tags to do quotes easily....they weren't in a warehouse, they were in the outdoor wilderness shelter these people ran. The nice people at the Humane Society/Police came and rounded up all these cats (Some of which, yes, are only suited to a feral outside life), dragged them into a warehouse, and killed 1 in 7 of them. No clue how many are sick vs unadoptable.

And frankly, your comment about getting each individual cat to a regular vet visits is an unreasonable request for people running what is effectively a wildlife shelter of last resort. Open land the (some feral) cats can live on.....I don't think demanding these people get them regular vet visits is reasonable.

quote following:


"Alachua County Animal Services removed the cats from the sanctuary in High Springs in June in what is the biggest case of cat hoarding the Humane Society of the United States has ever participated in and is in the top three of the largest cat hoarding cases in U.S. history.

The cats were put in a warehouse that became a makeshift shelter. About 100 of them had to be put down. "
 
2011-08-18 12:23:01 AM

Sennadar1: Fire Consumes Big Happy Farm Where Families Send Sick Dogs To Run Free And Play (new window)


Thanks, I needed to cry. *tearful glare*

/beats to death with pillows
//I know it's the Onion, but dear God, did you view the slideshow!?!?!?
 
2011-08-18 04:03:39 AM

Contents Under Pressure: If you get a free kitten from Craigslist, you are going to have to get kitten vaccines, boosters, checkups, spay or neuter, deworming and so on. That'll run 250. Get a cat from an accredited shelter like many SPCAs, you will pay 150 for a cat and not pay a dime on all the things I just listed for your "free" kitten.

I used to get people at the SPCA who were pissed that the cat "cost" $150. I said, "You're paying the vet bill. The cat is, essentially, free."

Bonus is that about 4% of cats don't survive general anaesthesia, even in the best situations. At the shelter, they are not someone's pet. The vets and staff do get upset, but you don't have a pissed off owner. And, since the cat survived that, it is likely that if the cat needs surgery in the future, you already know the cat can handle it.


If I may talk out of my ass (as usual): They're probably pissed because they have no intention of taking their new family members to the vet, for anything. All that stuff you mentioned is 'optional' in their heads. If the Humane Society didn't do mandatory spay/neuters before allowing adoptions, there would be even more abandoned animals out there. But what can one do?
 
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