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2011-08-14 09:26:41 PM
Another one - under Bush Sr, we were informed that the investigation on my daughter's death would take 90 days. As soon as the rules changed under clinton, we went a whole 15 months with HHS not answering anything. When we did hear from HHS, they were petitioning that the case be dropped because there had been no health updates. My lawyer (very good guy) started disbarrement procedures on the lawyer who wrote that due to the fact "that it was an obvious a death case" and she had not bothered to do any research or even read the filing before trying to have the case dismissed.
 
2011-08-14 09:27:32 PM

Metaphysical Crepes: AbbeySomeone: naturopath

Naturopathy

Not sure if legitimate science. (new window)


It's not.
 
2011-08-14 09:28:10 PM

AbbeySomeone:
If you've had all the vaccines, why worry?

If you've had all the vaccines, why worry?

HURR
DURR

Read the first few paragraphs (new window)

Could you please be retarded offline in the privacy of your own home?
 
2011-08-14 09:33:03 PM

AbbeySomeone: hobodojo: I have the sort of immune system that rides the short bus to work. Imagine a ton of white blood cells with little helmets and bibs gallumphing around a body yelling "YAY! PUDDIN' DAY!" My body doesn't get full immunity to anything. Ever. It is incapable of it. I rely on herd immunity to keep from contracting childhood diseases that kill adults, because vaccines don't do shiat for me. As a kid, I has chicken pox. Twice. I had measels. I had mumps. And I'd had the vaccines. As an adult, I had to get a booster for all the usual vaccines before I went back to college. I wound up catching pertussis last year from a California snowflake.
I have to work my ass off to stay healthy, but one irresponsible jackass carrying a preventable disease will negate all of it. I have medical bills like you wouldn't believe, thanks to non-vac assholes, because the complications of contracting a childhood illness as an adult are usually pretty farking severe. I can understand skipping a flu shot, but the MMR? Selfish, selfish farkwads. I take it a little personally when someone puts my life in danger because they've decided they're entitled to do so somehow.

Wow, you're blaming others for your own f*cked up immune system? How does that work out for you in Eugene?
If you've had all the vaccines, why worry?
I bet you're popular.


How does it feel to completely lack reading comprehension?
 
2011-08-14 09:33:20 PM

exvaxman: Hillary, who had no official office, when my father's senator called HHS to see what was going on in our case actually threatened him saying that all health issues were hers.


This guy I know was at the store and he was buying ice cream for his pregnant wife cause she really wanted ice cream and Michelle Obama ran over from the next aisle and physically pushed him over to the produce section and made him buy broccoli.
 
2011-08-14 09:34:13 PM

Metaphysical Crepes: brainiac-dumdum: I Are you autistic?

It's not his fault, he is allergic to eggs and they use egg proteins in the shots.

Of course the American Academy of Pediatrics wants to hide this by saying that it is still okay to give the MMR vaccine to most kids with egg allergy (the 2nd most common allergy behind milk), but that doesn't matter apparently.

/Seriously one of the arguments used.


Egg protein is used in most immunizations. The AAP isn't hiding that fact, nor are they saying that egg allergies don't matter. They are still recommending vaccines, but urge parents to speak with their doctor if their child has an egg allergy. Part of the issue is what type of allergy does the child have if he/she is exposed to eggs - a rash or throat swelling? The egg protein exposure would be very small, so it is up to the parents and doctor to weigh the risks and benefits. While I am pro-immunization, if my child had a severe anaphylactic reaction to eggs, I would certainly pause and consider before have the vaccine administered.
 
2011-08-14 09:35:06 PM
AbbeySomeone
Wow, you're blaming others for your own f*cked up immune system? How does that work out for you in Eugene?
If you've had all the vaccines, why worry?
I bet you're popular.


Reading comprehension: you don't have it.

Some people simply can't get vaccinated. For legitimate medical reasons, not your bullshiat ideas about vaccines and autism. So they depend on herd immunity. Which means that every person who can get vaccinated and doesn't puts those people at risk. So every time an outbreak happens, they're in danger because of some ignorant farkwads' decisions.
 
2011-08-14 09:37:05 PM

jaytkay: This guy I know was at the store and he was buying ice cream for his pregnant wife cause she really wanted ice cream and Michelle Obama ran over from the next aisle and physically pushed him over to the produce section and made him buy broccoli.


You might be too young to remember, but there were many "non public" health care meetings hillary sponsored before lawsuits were filed to make them open, etc. It was a big deal Clinton's first year. One of the reasons i was out campaigning against her in the primaries.
 
2011-08-14 09:38:51 PM

wide_eyed:

Egg protein is used in most immunizations. The AAP isn't hiding that fact, nor are they saying that egg allergies don't matter. They are still recommending vaccines, but urge parents to speak with their doctor if their child has an egg allergy. Part of the issue is what type of allergy does the child have if he/she is exposed to eggs - a rash or throat swelling? The egg protein exposure would be very small, so it is up to the parents and doctor to weigh the risks and benefits. While I am pro-immunization, if my child had a severe anaphylactic reaction to eggs, I would certainly pause and consider before have the vaccine administered.


Just sayin' (new window)

I guess I wasn't sarcastic enough, people seemed to have taken that in the wrong way.
 
2011-08-14 09:39:27 PM

Cubansaltyballs: brainiac-dumdum: It is a big problem here in Seattle as well. It's downright painful to listen to the ignorance spewed by these bourgeois biatches. More than once have I heard, "Why do our kids have to get the polio vaccine? No one gets polio anymore."

Public canings should be brought back for these c*nts.


This.

/oh you said public. well, still this.
 
2011-08-14 09:43:50 PM
My daughter has had all of her vaccines thus far. But for that little window between month 0 and 3, when she couldn't have any shots, I was terrified that she would get whooping cough, because it's been going around here (Central Coast of CA). You better believe I would have beat the ass of any parent whose unvaccinated child infected my baby.

Assholes who don't vaccinate should be prosecuted. I don't know why it's even a choice. You put everyone's child at risk.
 
2011-08-14 09:44:48 PM
Every time there is a vaccine thread I post this link. I have not yet had a single person refute or disprove the data within.

Link (new window)
 
2011-08-14 09:45:00 PM

eatin' fetus: Found myself (white boy) standing in Opa-Locka at the corner of 27th and the freeway Thursday afternoon. Put on my hard hat so I could look like a city worker and not like, get shot.

Don't go to Opa-Locka, but please look it up.

/for those keeping track of me on here: yes, my life is pretty wild


Good ol' Opa-Locka!

I go to the general aviation airport there about once a month. Had a guard tell me there are corners of that airport security won't venture to. Used to be a huge hub for the flow of contraband into the eastern US.

We usually stay at that Don Shula "golf resort" a couple miles to the west or down near the international airport. What we don't do is stop anywhere in Opa Locka at night.
 
2011-08-14 09:46:42 PM

drewsclues: So a lot of stupid idiots are risking the lives of their children. I don't see the problem.


Well, I'd rather my 8-week-old son not pay the price for their lunacy.
 
2011-08-14 09:48:58 PM

AbbeySomeone:
The rise of autism and other issues is directly related to the required number of vaccines in children and the manufacturer's lack of legal or ethical responsibility for the side affects of the vaccinesfederal legalization of abortion. What a coincidence!
.


Here, have another meaningless coincidence for your files.
 
2011-08-14 09:50:27 PM

exterminate_teacake: My daughter has had all of her vaccines thus far. But for that little window between month 0 and 3, when she couldn't have any shots, I was terrified that she would get whooping cough, because it's been going around here (Central Coast of CA). You better believe I would have beat the ass of any parent whose unvaccinated child infected my baby.


I made the decision to not vaccinate my son due to the fact that my daughter died from the pertussis vaccine - but you had better believe that there was an oxygen bottle available in the event that he did get it and needed one as we took him to the hospital.
 
2011-08-14 09:50:35 PM

ABCDEFQ: Every time there is a vaccine thread I post this link. I have not yet had a single person refute or disprove the data within.

Link (new window)


I refute that entire site, after reading the list of other topics on the side. Why don't you go watch Jesse Ventura peek into some airplane hangars.
 
2011-08-14 09:52:00 PM

Sabyen91: brainiac-dumdum: MadAzza: AverageAmericanGuy:

Totalitarian much?

We need a vaccine against people who use that idiotic "(adjective) much?" bullsh*t. It's so farking annoying. Please, everyone, just stop it.

You need a grumpy vaccine.

[tequila shot]


Alrighty, then.
 
2011-08-14 09:52:45 PM
Oregon recently declared that parents who employ faith "healing" and let their children die face criminal charges. It is an interesting facet to this debate.

Is this acceptable?
 
2011-08-14 09:53:01 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Wow. You're really suggesting that American citizens don't have the right to refuse treatment, the right to the purity of their body,


Shame your old man didn't deny Mom his essence.
 
2011-08-14 09:53:13 PM

exvaxman: exterminate_teacake: My daughter has had all of her vaccines thus far. But for that little window between month 0 and 3, when she couldn't have any shots, I was terrified that she would get whooping cough, because it's been going around here (Central Coast of CA). You better believe I would have beat the ass of any parent whose unvaccinated child infected my baby.

I made the decision to not vaccinate my son due to the fact that my daughter died from the pertussis vaccine - but you had better believe that there was an oxygen bottle available in the event that he did get it and needed one as we took him to the hospital.


Ugh, sorry to hear about your daughter. Did you avoid all vaccines or just that one?
 
2011-08-14 09:54:22 PM
Oh - my family was vaccinated for swine flu. My wife got it and had to be hospitalized (in chemo, so her immune system was not up to par). We nearly lost her. My son also got it at the same time despite having the oral vaccine. I had to take a week off of work to nurse him through it and keep him from school. I had the shot and did not notice anything.
 
2011-08-14 09:54:44 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Wow. You're really suggesting that American citizens don't have the right to refuse treatment, the right to the purity of their body, and the right to choose the types of medicine they will use...


You don't have the unalienable right to make these decisions for other people, no.

Unless you hadn't noticed, infants are making these choices for themselves.
 
2011-08-14 09:55:08 PM

ABCDEFQ: Every time there is a vaccine thread I post this link. I have not yet had a single person refute or disprove the data within.


How about I google that biatch for yah!
(new window)

Comes up with: This guy's response (new window)

http://www.pathguy.com/antiimmu.htm (wouldn't link properly)
"Several people have written me asking about a Raymond Obomsawin, variously described as an MD or PhD, who writes anti-immunization materials which you can buy. According to some websites, which I'll let you find on your own, Dr. Obomsawin was commissioned in 1992 by the Canadian International Development Agency to prepare a report to guide its immunization policy. But when Dr. Obomsawin's report was submitted, it was suppressed by sinister conspirators. A search of the NIH database shows that Raymond Obomsawin has only one peer publication, a popular article from 1978 for Canadian nurses about Indian health issues. If you want to believe that the Canadian government really hired this guy as an elite scientific consultant, you're free to do so. Of course, I don't know one way or the other."

Anything else you want me to google for you? I've got a bit of free time tonight.
 
2011-08-14 09:55:52 PM

exterminate_teacake: Ugh, sorry to hear about your daughter. Did you avoid all vaccines or just that one?


Just the pertussis.
 
2011-08-14 09:59:07 PM

exvaxman: exterminate_teacake: Ugh, sorry to hear about your daughter. Did you avoid all vaccines or just that one?

Just the pertussis.


Just an FYI, as mentioned previously in the thread (I think it was in one of the CDC links): it would seem to me that you could, like a child with egg allergies, have the immunization done in a room prepped for a serious emergency.

Not that it probably matters now, your son is probably too old for it.
 
2011-08-14 09:59:43 PM

MadAzza: You need a grumpy vaccine.


If there were such a thing my kid would have force fed me the thing years ago :)
 
2011-08-14 10:00:48 PM

ABCDEFQ: Every time there is a vaccine thread I post this link. I have not yet had a single person refute or disprove the data within.

Link (new window)


Really? You are trollin' or haven't looked very hard...

Analysis of graphs (new window)
Ed Friedlander MD (new window)
A well written critique by Orac (new window)
Science Based Medicine (new window)

/Evidence, where would we be without it?
 
2011-08-14 10:01:17 PM

ABCDEFQ: Every time there is a vaccine thread I post this link. I have not yet had a single person refute or disprove the data within.

Link (new window)


Here. Shown to be false and intellectually dishonest. Link (new window)
 
2011-08-14 10:01:27 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Tickle Mittens: AverageAmericanGuy: GAT_00: Stop letting kids go to class without their shots. Make all school required shots free. Then start charging parents with child endangerment if they don't get the shots.

And make sure the shots can be given at all hours for parents that work during the day. Hold week long events at the schools that run from 5 in the morning until 10 at night.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you can't legally or morally force someone to put something they don't trust into their body.

Then they can stay in polyurethane bubbles inside their homes.

Then the school system must make teachers and materials free to the student in his home. Public education is a right, and the government must make allowances for those who opt out of certain procedures that violate the beliefs of its pupils.


Can we start sending the bills to the anti-vax crew? Because that would seem to be only fair. They're the ones promulgating this nonsense, and they should be the ones helping foot the costs for people too dumb or easily led to help themselves.
 
2011-08-14 10:05:35 PM

exvaxman: exterminate_teacake: My daughter has had all of her vaccines thus far. But for that little window between month 0 and 3, when she couldn't have any shots, I was terrified that she would get whooping cough, because it's been going around here (Central Coast of CA). You better believe I would have beat the ass of any parent whose unvaccinated child infected my baby.

I made the decision to not vaccinate my son due to the fact that my daughter died from the pertussis vaccine - but you had better believe that there was an oxygen bottle available in the event that he did get it and needed one as we took him to the hospital.


I assume you also had a pulse ox in order to monitor sats? What about an ambu bag? In my experience, the babies don't die from lack of oxygen. They die because they stop breathing. One of the interesting things about pertussis is that it affects very young babies a little differently than older kids and adults. While we think of pertussis as being an illness that causes a lot of coughing, that is not the symptom the little babies have. They are brought in because they stop breathing and have no coughing at all. And there really isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

The season is nearly upon us and my unit will be filled with babies with pertussis and RSV/bronchiolitis. Some of those babies will develop pneumonia, some will end up intubated, some will die, some will end up with chronic pulmonary problems. Most will be miserable for a few days, and then go home and mostly likely lead healthy lives. But don't think for a minute that if you choose to not vaccinate, adhere to a prolonged vaccination schedule, or skip certain vaccinations that you are aren't also putting your child at a higher risk than others for contracting very serious and sometimes life threatening illnesses. I know that you are aware of that, exvacman.

I see dozen of children die every year from preventable illnesses. Dozens.
 
2011-08-14 10:06:34 PM

AbbeySomeone: hobodojo: I have the sort of immune system that rides the short bus to work. Imagine a ton of white blood cells with little helmets and bibs gallumphing around a body yelling "YAY! PUDDIN' DAY!" My body doesn't get full immunity to anything. Ever. It is incapable of it. I rely on herd immunity to keep from contracting childhood diseases that kill adults, because vaccines don't do shiat for me. As a kid, I has chicken pox. Twice. I had measels. I had mumps. And I'd had the vaccines. As an adult, I had to get a booster for all the usual vaccines before I went back to college. I wound up catching pertussis last year from a California snowflake.
I have to work my ass off to stay healthy, but one irresponsible jackass carrying a preventable disease will negate all of it. I have medical bills like you wouldn't believe, thanks to non-vac assholes, because the complications of contracting a childhood illness as an adult are usually pretty farking severe. I can understand skipping a flu shot, but the MMR? Selfish, selfish farkwads. I take it a little personally when someone puts my life in danger because they've decided they're entitled to do so somehow.

Wow, you're blaming others for your own f*cked up immune system? How does that work out for you in Eugene?
If you've had all the vaccines, why worry?
I bet you're popular.


No, I'm blaming others for being selfish twats. My immune system is special all by itself. Sort of like you.
 
2011-08-14 10:08:21 PM
At long last, has she no sense of decency?
 
2011-08-14 10:14:37 PM

wide_eyed: I assume you also had a pulse ox in order to monitor sats?


This we did have. Not the ambu bag though - we had what the doctor told us to have "just in case".
 
2011-08-14 10:26:38 PM

exvaxman: wide_eyed: I assume you also had a pulse ox in order to monitor sats?

This we did have. Not the ambu bag though - we had what the doctor told us to have "just in case".


So, if these were safe why would anyone need these items? Children should not be subjected to something so volatile and risky.
 
2011-08-14 10:30:33 PM

AbbeySomeone: exvaxman: wide_eyed: I assume you also had a pulse ox in order to monitor sats?

This we did have. Not the ambu bag though - we had what the doctor told us to have "just in case".

So, if these were safe why would anyone need these items? Children should not be subjected to something so volatile and risky.


Jesus, do you have some sort of mental illness? Is it a learning disability?
 
2011-08-14 10:32:13 PM
In response to AbbeySomeone

media.tumblr.com

It's the comments, beliefs, and behavior of people like you that cemented my decision to never have children. Congratulations, I guess, for exerting phenomenal control over your environment.
 
2011-08-14 10:33:26 PM

AbbeySomeone:
The rise of autism and other issues is directly related to the required number of vaccines in children and the manufacturer's lack of legal or ethical responsibility for the side affects of the vaccines. What a coincidence!


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2011-08-14 10:35:33 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Public education is a right, and the government must make allowances for those who opt out of certain procedures that violate the beliefs of its pupils.


Says who? Failure to attend public schooling can get the parents arrested. It's their responsibility to either get their kid in school, or go through their own trouble, time, and expense to be qualified to homeschool in their state. Their problem, not the Government's.

They can use that money they save not vaccinating their kids to get their certifications.
 
2011-08-14 10:35:38 PM

AbbeySomeone: exvaxman: wide_eyed: I assume you also had a pulse ox in order to monitor sats?

This we did have. Not the ambu bag though - we had what the doctor told us to have "just in case".

So, if these were safe why would anyone need these items? Children should not be subjected to something so volatile and risky.


Yeah, like riding in cars. Do you know how many car accidents there are every day? It's astounding. They shouldn't allow children to ride in motor vehicles of any type.
 
2011-08-14 10:36:42 PM
i.imgur.com
Shakes his head at all the DERP in here.
 
2011-08-14 10:38:25 PM

AbbeySomeone: exvaxman: wide_eyed: I assume you also had a pulse ox in order to monitor sats?

This we did have. Not the ambu bag though - we had what the doctor told us to have "just in case".

So, if these were safe why would anyone need these items? Children should not be subjected to something so volatile and risky.


Because a vanishingly small number of people are allergic to the vaccine components, not the vaccines themselves. Anti-vax people seem to think that it's the vaccines that do the damage--the dead viruses that somehow trigger all these strange immune responses. In a very small number of patients, they might. Although it's possible exvaxman's daughter died from the actual vaccine, unless she died from pertussis itself, I'd bet she died from a hypersensitivity to something in the vaccine formula. In which case it would be smart not to vaccinate his son, in case there was a genetic sensitivity to that particular component.

That doesn't mean that EVERYONE will react to that particular component, or indeed ANYONE ELSE except a tiny fraction of the population would. In a country with hundreds of thousands of children getting vaccinated every year, it is sadly inevitable that a few will die from the disease, a few will die from complications related to the vaccine, and a few will die from causes unrelated to the vaccine at about the same time. That's not a good excuse to not vaccinate all of them; unless you'd rather we return to the days when our great-grandmothers used to tell new parents "Don't count your children till they've all had measles."

Sorry to hear about your daughter, btw. Sounds like you're not being overly hysterical about the whole thing, exvaxman.
 
2011-08-14 10:38:57 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Maybe you'd like to come back when you actually have a point and something to contribute to this discussion. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.


img112.imageshack.us

*PLONK*
 
2011-08-14 10:40:56 PM
Meh, this world could stand to have a big plague of some kind.
 
2011-08-14 10:45:18 PM
Do you honestly give a shiat about people in florida? Let them die.
 
2011-08-14 10:45:25 PM

mjjt: This guy suggested suing is only way to shake their idiocy loose

Link (new window)


That sounds like a great idea. When my future kids go to school and they end up sick because some stupid parents wouldn't vaccinate their kids, I'll sue them for the medical bills.

AbbeySomeone: AverageAmericanGuy: metametameta: My kid might be autistic, but he's a healthy high functioning autistic who will outlive your granola snowflake and probably make more money and have more fun doing it.

How do you figure?

The autistic do well with repetition and a set routine.
Hey, he's a healthy high functioning autistic and you're proud of that?
Seriously, sorry for your situation, but don't you wonder how he got that way? Or, is it easier for you to believe the bullsh*t you're told and blindly go about your life?


He got that way because of genetics. And several other epigenetic factors. Saying that getting a vaccine automatically causes autism is just silly and incredibly naive. How about the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people who have been vaccinated who don't have autism?

Naturopathy, homeopathy, chiropractic, herbalism, Eastern medicine, whatever you want to call it, is snake oil. But hey, a placebo is better than nothing. Also, saying that homeopathy has never killed anyone is dead wrong. People can have reactions to it or the product can be tainted (remember, "all natural supplement" companies aren't regulated like the drug industry, so they can put whatever the fark they want in those little boxes).
Your naturopath is a scam artist and nothing more. Yes, some herbs DO have noticeable medical effects. St. John's wort helps relieve depression in some people (not everyone, because it interacts with a lot of meds), aspirin is derived from willow bark, witch hazel is a vasoconstrictor, caffeine from coffee and tea is a laxative, etc. But things like echinacea are nothing more than placebos.
Autism appears at around age 2. Vaccines start at around that age. That's called a coincidence. Correlation does not imply causation. And the causative link has been disproven by literally dozens of studies. The few studies showing a link either never proved a causative link, were fake, or tampered with. If they were, then mercury poisoning and autism would have similar symptoms. They don't. You get more mercury from breathing and kicking up dirt than in a vaccine. You get more mercury from eating a slice of tuna than a vaccine. If mercury really caused autism, why aren't there more cases of autism in coastal areas, where they eat more fish? By your logic, Japan should be one giant nation of autistics.
Greater awareness of autism has caused the increase in diagnoses, not the prevalence of vaccines.

Also, even if you do have an egg allergy, the vaccine won't affect you.

/had meningitis and chickenpox as a kid
//parents didn't refuse the vaccines, they just didn't know they existed. Got all the other ones.

exvaxman, I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the pain of losing a child. But if you want to prevent others from feeling the same pain, vaccination is necessary. But I can understand you erring on the side of caution. I don't know what they did for you, but when you tell them about a history of vaccine reactions, they will set you up in a special room to observe you for an hour or so after administering the vaccine to specifically prevent such tragedies. It sounds like there's some immune problem in your family. Considering your wife was affected, it might come from her side of the family. You have a legitimate reason to skip it. Your son is the reason why herd immunity is so important.

/csb
 
2011-08-14 11:02:31 PM

colithian: Naturopathy, homeopathy, chiropractic, herbalism, Eastern medicine, whatever you want to call it, is snake oil. But hey, a placebo is better than nothing.


Look, as a Western physician I am a full proponent of vaccines and pharmaceutical treatments. But I think part of the problem is rejecting complementary medical treatments outright instead of incorporating them with Western biological medicine. Sure, as a scientist I cannot help but be skeptical about things that are unproven, but the unproven may be proven someday, and if it can be used in conjunction with scientifically proven techniques while being aware that all treatments have potential side effects, I'm fine with it.
 
2011-08-14 11:03:47 PM

colithian: mjjt: This guy suggested suing is only way to shake their idiocy loose

Link (new window)

That sounds like a great idea. When my future kids go to school and they end up sick because some stupid parents wouldn't vaccinate their kids, I'll sue them for the medical bills.

AbbeySomeone: AverageAmericanGuy: metametameta: My kid might be autistic, but he's a healthy high functioning autistic who will outlive your granola snowflake and probably make more money and have more fun doing it.

How do you figure?

The autistic do well with repetition and a set routine.
Hey, he's a healthy high functioning autistic and you're proud of that?
Seriously, sorry for your situation, but don't you wonder how he got that way? Or, is it easier for you to believe the bullsh*t you're told and blindly go about your life?

He got that way because of genetics. And several other epigenetic factors. Saying that getting a vaccine automatically causes autism is just silly and incredibly naive. How about the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people who have been vaccinated who don't have autism?

Naturopathy, homeopathy, chiropractic, herbalism, Eastern medicine, whatever you want to call it, is snake oil. But hey, a placebo is better than nothing. Also, saying that homeopathy has never killed anyone is dead wrong. People can have reactions to it or the product can be tainted (remember, "all natural supplement" companies aren't regulated like the drug industry, so they can put whatever the fark they want in those little boxes).
Your naturopath is a scam artist and nothing more. Yes, some herbs DO have noticeable medical effects. St. John's wort helps relieve depression in some people (not everyone, because it interacts with a lot of meds), aspirin is derived from willow bark, witch hazel is a vasoconstrictor, caffeine from coffee and tea is a laxative, etc. But things like echinacea are nothing more than placebos.
Autism appears at around age 2. Vaccines start at around that age. That's called a coincidence. Correlation does not imply causation. And the causative link has been disproven by literally dozens of studies. The few studies showing a link either never proved a causative link, were fake, or tampered with. If they were, then mercury poisoning and autism would have similar symptoms. They don't. You get more mercury from breathing and kicking up dirt than in a vaccine. You get more mercury from eating a slice of tuna than a vaccine. If mercury really caused autism, why aren't there more cases of autism in coastal areas, where they eat more fish? By your logic, Japan should be one giant nation of autistics.
Greater awareness of autism has caused the increase in diagnoses, not the prevalence of vaccines.

Also, even if you do have an egg allergy, the vaccine won't affect you.

/had meningitis and chickenpox as a kid
//parents didn't refuse the vaccines, they just didn't know they existed. Got all the other ones.

exvaxman, I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the pain of losing a child. But if you want to prevent others from feeling the same pain, vaccination is necessary. But I can understand you erring on the side of caution. I don't know what they did for you, but when you tell them about a history of vaccine reactions, they will set you up in a special room to observe you for an hour or so after administering the vaccine to specifically prevent such tragedies. It sounds like there's some immune problem in your family. Considering your wife was affected, it might come from her side of the family. You have a legitimate reason to skip it. Your son is the reason why herd immunity is so important.

/csb


If they have a special room for this, they're not for everybody, right? What if it isn't decided beforehand that a child needs this special room?
Oh sh*t, sorry for your loss; sorry your kid is suddenly autisitc but it has NOTHING to do with the toxins that were just injected into the child's body.
 
2011-08-14 11:07:03 PM
Awesome post, colithian
 
2011-08-14 11:15:03 PM

ratman999: AbbeySomeone:
The rise of autism and other issues is directly related to the required number of vaccines in children and the manufacturer's lack of legal or ethical responsibility for the side affects of the vaccines. What a coincidence!


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That's one of the funniest things I've seen all week. Thanks.
 
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