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2011-08-13 03:25:58 PM  
Well, if Doug (where's my credit card) Gottlieb is the source I'm not sure how seriously to take this. If FSU and Clemson do leave the ACC, look for another Big East raid. Imagine the basketball if Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia, and UCONN joined the ACC.
 
2011-08-13 03:29:45 PM  

Agatha Crispy: Well, if Doug (where's my credit card) Gottlieb is the source I'm not sure how seriously to take this.


A high ranking official at A&M is the source, Doug Gottlieb, who actually does a pretty good job, is the person reporting it.
 
2011-08-13 03:47:02 PM  
Roman numeral fail?

/facepalm.jpg
 
2011-08-13 03:50:58 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Roman numeral fail?

/facepalm.jpg


wut?
 
2011-08-13 03:56:54 PM  
If A&M goes, my guess says Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State go to PAC 12
 
2011-08-13 03:58:38 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: If A&M goes, my guess says Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State go to PAC 12


Is the PAC-12 going to let Texas have that Longhorn Network?
 
2011-08-13 04:00:29 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: If A&M goes, my guess says Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State go to PAC 12


Nobody wants Texas Tech. Maybe TCU or Boise St. instead if they can't convince BYU to drop their independent plan.
 
2011-08-13 04:14:59 PM  
I've heard this from a good friend who has a family member at OU in the know. He was telling me about this several days ago as if it was going to happen. OU will end up in the Pac 16, mostly because they will take OSU. (we have to drag lil brother around). Dan Beebe is an idiot, and the Big XII is getting what they deserve for hiring a Texas yes man.

/and they gave him a big raise last year for holding the Big XII together
//when they should have fired him for getting his pocket picked.
 
2011-08-13 05:04:57 PM  
Turn out the liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiights, the party's oooooooooooooooooooover
 
2011-08-13 05:17:18 PM  
As a Kansas State fan I am looking forward to building new rivalries in the MWC aka the Conference of Misfit Toys.

i.imgur.com
 
2011-08-13 05:19:44 PM  
Texas moves to an independent, alternates every other game between Notre Dame and Oklahoma
 
2011-08-13 05:21:02 PM  
Don't know why I thought of Title IX when I saw that. Maybe because the rest of the Big 12 is jumping ship because Texas isn't giving them an equal opportunity or some such thing.
 
2011-08-13 05:26:01 PM  
Aggies: all growed up and moving out.

THANK GOD!!!!

note to self: remember to replace aggies on schedule asap

/Hook'em!
 
2011-08-13 05:28:35 PM  
One of the non-Texas B12* schools thinks it's people; how cute!
 
2011-08-13 05:29:37 PM  
I really would like to see Mizzou go to the Big Ten.
 
2011-08-13 05:36:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Roman numeral fail?

/facepalm.jpg


i54.tinypic.com
 
2011-08-13 05:39:05 PM  

moriarty23: I really would like to see Mizzou go to the Big Ten.


So would Mizzou.
 
2011-08-13 05:39:35 PM  
dancininanson.net
 
2011-08-13 05:46:58 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Texas moves to an independent, alternates every other game between Notre Dame and Oklahoma


I loled. I think people forget the experimental nature of The Longhorn Network and assume it's going to fly. Right now the only collegiate network that's turned a profit is the Big Ten Network. I'm not saying Texas can't make the network a go, but it's a huge risk for ESPN to sink $300 million into. So I really don't think Texas (or ESPN, for that matter) can afford to go independent right now, at least not until the network is a proven success. And even if it is, staying in a conference might still be the best option. The Big 12 set-up was ideal for them because they had an inventory of conference games they could sell and they could always fall back on having a league in case TLN failed. Texas probably wouldn't have scheduling problems as an independent, but it's nice to depend on games against schools like OU and A&M (or whoever they might play in a new conference if they make a move) every year. Plus, look how that exclusive TV contract and independence have worked out for Notre Dame. Texas doesn't want to turn into that.

I really think the Pac-12 would be a good home for Texas, OU, Okie State and Texas Tech. Pac-12 wants to set up regional networks and I wonder if TLN couldn't be folded into another one. Just an idea - no idea if ESPN or Texas has any interest in that, or if it's even possible given the contracts.

And just to rub it in, the Omaha World-Herald went out of their way to mock the former Big 8 schools who turned their back on NU and now might be scrambling for a new home while the Huskers laugh from the comfort of the Big Ten. Seems a little petty, but Nebraska's old friends in the Big 8 are getting what they deserve: Link (new window)
 
2011-08-13 05:54:47 PM  

velvet_fog: Lost Thought 00: Texas moves to an independent, alternates every other game between Notre Dame and Oklahoma

I loled. I think people forget the experimental nature of The Longhorn Network and assume it's going to fly. Right now the only collegiate network that's turned a profit is the Big Ten Network. I'm not saying Texas can't make the network a go, but it's a huge risk for ESPN to sink $300 million into. So I really don't think Texas (or ESPN, for that matter) can afford to go independent right now, at least not until the network is a proven success. And even if it is, staying in a conference might still be the best option. The Big 12 set-up was ideal for them because they had an inventory of conference games they could sell and they could always fall back on having a league in case TLN failed. Texas probably wouldn't have scheduling problems as an independent, but it's nice to depend on games against schools like OU and A&M (or whoever they might play in a new conference if they make a move) every year. Plus, look how that exclusive TV contract and independence have worked out for Notre Dame. Texas doesn't want to turn into that.

I really think the Pac-12 would be a good home for Texas, OU, Okie State and Texas Tech. Pac-12 wants to set up regional networks and I wonder if TLN couldn't be folded into another one. Just an idea - no idea if ESPN or Texas has any interest in that, or if it's even possible given the contracts.

And just to rub it in, the Omaha World-Herald went out of their way to mock the former Big 8 schools who turned their back on NU and now might be scrambling for a new home while the Huskers laugh from the comfort of the Big Ten. Seems a little petty, but Nebraska's old friends in the Big 8 are getting what they deserve: Link (new window)


The PAC-12 is not taking Texas Tech.

It is petty, until you realize it's the Omaha World-Herald and they have nothing else to report on, then it's just sad.

Enjoy not winning the Big 10 either.
 
2011-08-13 05:58:51 PM  
Good for the SEC! I think the "super-conference" alignment for college football will move us closer to a playoff so I'm all for it. Too bad the Big 10(12) wimped out on doing it full scale last year but I suppose they had their reasons.
 
2011-08-13 05:59:03 PM  
1) aTm leaves for sec, big 12 no longer able to keep tv deal without houston market
- solution: ask houston to join big 12 and massively upgrade their facilities
2) pac 12 once again invites 4 big 12 schools to join their conference. pac 12 tells texas that they have to sign a pac 16 tv deal if they want in. texas goes independent
3) sec takes 2-3 teams from acc. acc raids big east of all remaining "talent"
- tcu forced to head back to the mwc
4) remaining big 12 schools ask to join big east or mwc. big east will keep auto-bid because the big 12 bowl bid will now be vacant. mwc will also get an auto bid with the addition of 1-2 former big 12 schools.
 
2011-08-13 06:00:12 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Peter von Nostrand: If A&M goes, my guess says Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State go to PAC 12

Is the PAC-12 going to let Texas have that Longhorn Network?


They may not need it if the Pac-12 can give them better overall TV money. I know that in retrospect, the Big-12 was probably doomed from the start, with the way Texas was treated when they entered, but still, Fark You Dan Beebe.

Be interesting to see how the rest of the Big12 goes from here. I'm sure schools will follow the money as best the can - KU to the Big East for basketball, K-State maybe to the Mountain West or something, Mizzou will suck whatever dick is necessary to get in the Big10, etc. What I'd love to see, though, is something unique. Something like KU/KState/ISU pulling in some smaller schools and reforming the Big 8. Or that trio plus Baylor (assuming they end up not being good enough for the Pac12 or SEC) offering themselves to the Missouri Valley. Make a big stink about how your schools are going to get back to standing for something academically, how you're not just going to chase TV money, how you want to get back to having "real" student athletes, etc. Save for KU basketball, the Big12 dissolving removes all the remaining programs that can't flee to the Big10/Pac12/SEC from serious national relevance anyway. Might as well embrace it and try to sell it to your boosters as a good thing.

College sports is a system of Have's and Have Not's already, and that gulf is only getting wider as all the big programs conglomerate into 3 major conferences. I think, though, there's going to still be a market for fans who are sick and tired of college basketball and football being minor leagues for the pros, and would get behind a concerted effort to return to the roots of college athletics. Sure, the money will be smaller, and the competition not on par with the big boys, but a lot of smaller colleges still manage to make a go of it without $40 million weight rooms or Dr. Pepper sponsored league title games. If you find yourself on the outside looking in, embrace the smaller, simpler, more pure path, and sell your alumni/fans on it. I bet it would work better than you might expect.
 
2011-08-13 06:02:04 PM  
Pitt better hurry up and get into one of the four superconferences. Sure they aren't as good in football anymore, but they still make it to one of the 100 bowls. Main reason to invite them is bolster the basketball side of things. I'm worried if Pitt loses out though all of their athletics will suffer for it.
 
2011-08-13 06:02:15 PM  
I don't see a fail here yet.

A&M gets what they want which is distance from UT.

SEC gets more Texas exposure, which is good for recruiting. And they get it by adding a school that isn't a threat to the top teams.

Texas doesn't give a damn about A&M and they already have a great rivalry game with OU.

The Big XII can easily replace A&M. SMU or TCU would be a natural fit, and either would likely take an invitation.

Until you see Texas and OU bolt, don't assume anything.
 
2011-08-13 06:03:43 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Enjoy not winning the Big 10 either.


aw, are you mad?
 
2011-08-13 06:17:45 PM  

jayhawk88: Save for KU basketball


Here's the thing, we've already found out that Kansas' basketball program means jack shiat. It's all about football, and KU's football program is in a shambles.

thomps: mitchcumstein1: Enjoy not winning the Big 10 either.

aw, are you mad?


That article did piss me off a little, I'm not going to lie. Still doesn't change the fact Nebraska isn't going to the Big 10 anytime soon.
 
2011-08-13 06:18:32 PM  

mitchcumstein1: That article did piss me off a little, I'm not going to lie. Still doesn't change the fact Nebraska isn't going to the Big 10 anytime soon.


in fact they've already been to the big 10 - have been there since july 1.
 
2011-08-13 06:19:49 PM  

thomps: mitchcumstein1: That article did piss me off a little, I'm not going to lie. Still doesn't change the fact Nebraska isn't going to the Big 10 anytime soon.

in fact they've already been to the big 10 - have been there since july 1.


Win the Big 10, Nebraska isn't going to win the Big 10. I accidentally the whole thing.
 
2011-08-13 06:22:46 PM  

mitchcumstein1: thomps: mitchcumstein1: That article did piss me off a little, I'm not going to lie. Still doesn't change the fact Nebraska isn't going to the Big 10 anytime soon.

in fact they've already been to the big 10 - have been there since july 1.

Win the Big 10, Nebraska isn't going to win the Big 10. I accidentally the whole thing.


you're a ku fan right? last i heard, if/when the big 12 disintegrates, you guys probably land in the big east - is that still the likely case?
 
2011-08-13 06:23:13 PM  

thomps: mitchcumstein1: Enjoy not winning the Big 10 either.

aw, are you mad?


Yeah, he mad.

/GO HUSKERS!
 
2011-08-13 06:24:13 PM  

SharkTrager: I don't see a fail here yet.

A&M gets what they want which is distance from UT.

SEC gets more Texas exposure, which is good for recruiting. And they get it by adding a school that isn't a threat to the top teams.

Texas doesn't give a damn about A&M and they already have a great rivalry game with OU.

The Big XII can easily replace A&M. SMU or TCU would be a natural fit, and either would likely take an invitation.

Until you see Texas and OU bolt, don't assume anything.


On the bright side, now The Uterus will still have to worry about the Aggies every fall - no will that game go away ... which is nice since the Aggies have won three of the last five matchups.
 
2011-08-13 06:31:04 PM  

mitchcumstein1: thomps: mitchcumstein1: That article did piss me off a little, I'm not going to lie. Still doesn't change the fact Nebraska isn't going to the Big 10 anytime soon.

in fact they've already been to the big 10 - have been there since july 1.

Win the Big 10, Nebraska isn't going to win the Big 10. I accidentally the whole thing.


I would love to hear your logic, especially considering they are almost a lock to win their own division and one of the only two threats in the other division lost both their qb and head coach.
 
2011-08-13 06:31:23 PM  
It seems to me that the independents-to-be all have bigger ideas of themselves than what they actually are.

Which would fit right in with the current nationally-known independent.
 
2011-08-13 06:32:35 PM  

thomps: mitchcumstein1: thomps: mitchcumstein1: That article did piss me off a little, I'm not going to lie. Still doesn't change the fact Nebraska isn't going to the Big 10 anytime soon.

in fact they've already been to the big 10 - have been there since july 1.

Win the Big 10, Nebraska isn't going to win the Big 10. I accidentally the whole thing.

you're a ku fan right? last i heard, if/when the big 12 disintegrates, you guys probably land in the big east - is that still the likely case?


Frankly, I think that's best case, I envision MWC games in Ft. Collins, and I don't think Bill Self is hanging around for that.
 
2011-08-13 06:37:40 PM  
Good products from IX, much better than Richese.
 
2011-08-13 06:39:27 PM  

Dr J Zoidberg: I would love to hear your logic, especially considering they are almost a lock to win their own division and one of the only two threats in the other division lost both their qb and head coach.


Well, they couldn't win the Big 12 for the last 10 years, so I'm assuming, since most people think the Big 10 is a better conference, they won't be able win the Big 10.
 
2011-08-13 06:43:00 PM  

mitchcumstein1: thomps: mitchcumstein1: That article did piss me off a little, I'm not going to lie. Still doesn't change the fact Nebraska isn't going to the Big 10 anytime soon.

in fact they've already been to the big 10 - have been there since july 1.

Win the Big 10, Nebraska isn't going to win the Big 10. I accidentally the whole thing.


i.imgur.com
 
2011-08-13 06:43:32 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Dr J Zoidberg: I would love to hear your logic, especially considering they are almost a lock to win their own division and one of the only two threats in the other division lost both their qb and head coach.

Well, they couldn't win the Big 12 for the last 10 years, so I'm assuming, since most people think the Big 10 is a better conference, they won't be able win the Big 10.


yeah, it's going to be really embarrassing when we make our teams from the last decade reform and play in the big ten. i'm not even sure how they are going to decide which nebraska squad from the last decade will play each game. i almost feel like it would be better if they just let this year's squad play the games, but that's football for ya.
 
2011-08-13 06:44:35 PM  
Some thoughts:

1) Texas A&M bolts for the SEC. Now needing at least one, and as many as three teams, the SEC invites Clemson, Florida State, and Missouri, as stated in the article. For some reason, Clemson declines, the SEC takes Virginia Tech instead.

2) The remaining Big 8 schools, other the Texas, start to panic. The Pac-12 invites Oklahoma, OK State, Texas, and Texas Tech. Texas declines on basis of their TV contract, so Pac-12 drops invitation to Tech as well. Instead, they bring on Boise State and one of either Fresno State or Nevada.

3) The ACC, now without Florida State and VT, raid the Big East again. Syracuse, Pittsburgh, UConn, Louisville and West Virginia get invitations. They accept. To stay at the same number of Florida teams, UCF gets an invite as well.

4) The Big East, now reeling, makes offers to most of the remaining Big 8 teams. Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor accept, for fear of having nowhere else to go.

5) Texas says "screw this" and goes independent. The Big 10 tries to recruit them, fails. They remain at 12 teams, and like the Big East, not a "superconference."

6) The Mountain West sees an opportunity to secure a BCS bid with the Big 8 dissolving. Their remaining teams merge with the WAC, forming the "Western Mountain Conference." To get to 16, they invite North Texas, Arkansas State, and Western Kentucky from the Sun Belt.

7) Texas Tech is now the only former Big 12 team without a home. They take UCF's spot in Conference USA. CUSA also takes the remaining Sun Belt teams except Louisiana Monroe, which somehow ends up in the MAC.

8) The "Notre Dame rule" is revised to apply to the "best independent school" meeting the criteria for BCS admission.

So that leaves us with:

SEC: Current members plus Texas A&M, Florida State, Virginia Tech, and Missouri.
Pac-12: Current members plus Oklahoma, OK State, Boise State, and Nevada/Fresno State.
ACC: Current members except Florida State and Virginia Tech plus Syracuse, Pittsburgh, UConn, Lousville, UCF and West Virginia.
Big East: Cinncinnati, Rutgers, South Florida, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor. More than half the league is no longer in the eastern time zone.
Big 12: Dissolved. Texas independent.
Conference USA: Replaces UCF with Texas Tech, adds FIU, Florida Atlantic, LA Tech, Troy.
MWC/WAC become "Western Mountain Conference": Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Wyoming, Fresno State/Nevada, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Utah State, North Texas, Arkansas State, Western Kentucky.
MAC: Adds LA Monroe.

Within 5 years, the BCS bowl bids go to the Pac-12, SEC, ACC, WMC, Big Ten, and Conference USA.

Within 10 years, an 8 team playoff is instituted.

/Yes, I am smoking some good stuff.
//No you can not have any.
 
2011-08-13 06:47:43 PM  
^If UConn leaves the Big East, UMass will join. they tried last year when they got their stadium deal with Kraft.
 
2011-08-13 06:48:57 PM  

thomps: mitchcumstein1: Dr J Zoidberg: I would love to hear your logic, especially considering they are almost a lock to win their own division and one of the only two threats in the other division lost both their qb and head coach.

Well, they couldn't win the Big 12 for the last 10 years, so I'm assuming, since most people think the Big 10 is a better conference, they won't be able win the Big 10.

yeah, it's going to be really embarrassing when we make our teams from the last decade reform and play in the big ten. i'm not even sure how they are going to decide which nebraska squad from the last decade will play each game. i almost feel like it would be better if they just let this year's squad play the games, but that's football for ya.


Well all I ever hear from you Nebraska people is about the tradition of Nebraska Football, I figured that included recent history. :)

But you don't seriously think you're going to win the Big 10, do you?
 
2011-08-13 06:52:09 PM  

mitchcumstein1: thomps: mitchcumstein1: Dr J Zoidberg: I would love to hear your logic, especially considering they are almost a lock to win their own division and one of the only two threats in the other division lost both their qb and head coach.

Well, they couldn't win the Big 12 for the last 10 years, so I'm assuming, since most people think the Big 10 is a better conference, they won't be able win the Big 10.

yeah, it's going to be really embarrassing when we make our teams from the last decade reform and play in the big ten. i'm not even sure how they are going to decide which nebraska squad from the last decade will play each game. i almost feel like it would be better if they just let this year's squad play the games, but that's football for ya.

Well all I ever hear from you Nebraska people is about the tradition of Nebraska Football, I figured that included recent history. :)

But you don't seriously think you're going to win the Big 10, do you?


i'm certainly not banking on it - we've got a murderous conference schedule, but vegas is giving us good odds so it's not out of the realm of possibility. if our offense clicks, i think our defense is strong enough to give us a chance.
 
2011-08-13 06:52:38 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Dr J Zoidberg: I would love to hear your logic, especially considering they are almost a lock to win their own division and one of the only two threats in the other division lost both their qb and head coach.

Well, they couldn't win the Big 12 for the last 10 years, so I'm assuming, since most people think the Big 10 is a better conference, they won't be able win the Big 10.


Oh, I'm sorry I thought you had an actual argument. My mistake. And as for not winning the Big 12, if they hadn't fired Solich they probably would have.
 
2011-08-13 06:54:33 PM  

mitchcumstein1: jayhawk88: Save for KU basketball

Here's the thing, we've already found out that Kansas' basketball program means jack shiat. It's all about football, and KU's football program is in a shambles.


True, football is the real money maker, but KU basketball would be enough to get them into the Big East, and it could be an anchor around which you could build a league of some kind, at least in theory. I mean let's face it, college basketball may not pull in the raw numbers football does, but it is still a pretty important part of ESPN's scheduling, especially between January and March, and if you're a Top 5 program you're going to get TV time, regardless of whom your playing.
 
2011-08-13 06:56:32 PM  

Dr J Zoidberg: mitchcumstein1: Dr J Zoidberg: I would love to hear your logic, especially considering they are almost a lock to win their own division and one of the only two threats in the other division lost both their qb and head coach.

Well, they couldn't win the Big 12 for the last 10 years, so I'm assuming, since most people think the Big 10 is a better conference, they won't be able win the Big 10.

Oh, I'm sorry I thought you had an actual argument. My mistake. And as for not winning the Big 12, if they hadn't fired Solich they probably would have.


or if they had let interim head coach bo pelini stay on after firing solich. i don't think solich was taking the team in the right direction, but clearly callahan was a bad choice.
 
2011-08-13 06:57:33 PM  
i.imgur.com

Texas is used to causing conference realignments.
 
2011-08-13 06:57:38 PM  

velvet_fog: And just to rub it in, the Omaha World-Herald went out of their way to mock the former Big 8 schools who turned their back on NU and now might be scrambling for a new home while the Huskers laugh from the comfort of the Big Ten. Seems a little petty, but Nebraska's old friends in the Big 8 are getting what they deserve: Link (new window)


You know what would be awesome? If Nebraska would fark off and stop worrying about our conference and start focusing on their new one. Colorado managed to do it, so I'm sure the classiest fans in college sports can figure out a way to do it for themselves.
 
2011-08-13 07:00:32 PM  
But, but, think of all the bowl tradition this is going to disrupt?
 
2011-08-13 07:03:07 PM  

Mentat: velvet_fog: And just to rub it in, the Omaha World-Herald went out of their way to mock the former Big 8 schools who turned their back on NU and now might be scrambling for a new home while the Huskers laugh from the comfort of the Big Ten. Seems a little petty, but Nebraska's old friends in the Big 8 are getting what they deserve: Link (new window)

You know what would be awesome? If Nebraska would fark off and stop worrying about our conference and start focusing on their new one. Colorado managed to do it, so I'm sure the classiest fans in college sports can figure out a way to do it for themselves.


We're not worried, I think a better word is amused. We feel like the Big 12 gave us a giant middle finger for trying to move our school forward (Texas aTm) so now we are just taking a little pleasure in seeing that Texas dick sucking commissioner fail.
 
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