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2011-08-13 07:33:51 AM
Grew up during the Cold War and stayed in West Berlin for over a month. Crossed over to the East at Checkpoint Charlie and detained for about an hour by East German guards.

That was one truly scarey time.
 
2011-08-13 07:45:52 AM
Oh I get it. It's like a wall.

How droll.
 
2011-08-13 07:55:33 AM
Addressing the ceremony on Bernauer, a street famously divided by the Wall and now site of a memorial, Mayor Wowereit said the capital was remembering the "saddest day in its recent history".

Or when the city was bombed into rubble, under constant artillery and tank fire, and people were dying everywhere. It's a toss up.
 
2011-08-13 08:09:20 AM

MeinRS6: Addressing the ceremony on Bernauer, a street famously divided by the Wall and now site of a memorial, Mayor Wowereit said the capital was remembering the "saddest day in its recent history".

Or when the city was bombed into rubble, under constant artillery and tank fire, and people were dying everywhere. It's a toss up.


Isn't it Shabbat? What the Hell are you doing on here??
 
2011-08-13 08:12:48 AM

TheOther: Isn't it Shabbat? What the Hell are you doing on here??


He told that kraut a f*cking thousand times that he don't troll on Shabbos!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-08-13 08:19:41 AM
Chancellor Angela Merkel, who also attended the event, was herself raised in the East.

There's a commie running Germany? Why did we allow this to happen?
 
2011-08-13 08:48:13 AM

ZAZ: Chancellor Angela Merkel, who also attended the event, was herself raised in the East.

There's a commie running Germany? Why did we allow this to happen?


She's actually from the center-right party.
 
2011-08-13 08:50:22 AM

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: ZAZ: Chancellor Angela Merkel, who also attended the event, was herself raised in the East.

There's a commie running Germany? Why did we allow this to happen?

She's actually from the center-right party.


There's a democrat running Germany? Why did we allow this to happen?
 
Skr
2011-08-13 09:08:27 AM
SUBBY, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!

/all in all
 
2011-08-13 09:10:36 AM
Thanks Obama.
 
2011-08-13 09:11:45 AM
www.tinygif.com
 
2011-08-13 09:14:49 AM

Thank heaven Reagan was able to get the wall torn down.


Can't wait to go back to Berlin next year. One thing I'll visit the Berlin-Hohenschönhausen Memorial, the prison in East Germany where the Stasi held people. A person who did serve time at the prison gives the tour, from what I understand. And the tour only costs five Euros, one of the cheaper things to do on vacation.

 
2011-08-13 09:17:07 AM
Hmm. So, it's been torn down almost as long as it was up.
I feel old.
 
2011-08-13 09:23:10 AM
Tear Down This Wall (new window)
 
2011-08-13 09:24:53 AM

soy_bomb: Tear Down This Wall (new window)


Dude, NSFW label. Conservative porn is still porn.
 
2011-08-13 09:27:00 AM
TheOther
Sir Cumference the Flatulent: ZAZ:
Chancellor Angela Merkel, who also attended the event, was herself raised in the East.

There's a commie running Germany? Why did we allow this to happen?

She's actually from the center-right party.

There's a democrat running Germany? Why did we allow this to happen?



The name of her party starts with "Christian" and you didn't read further.
 
2011-08-13 09:41:19 AM
Geez, I feel old

/because I am
 
2011-08-13 09:48:34 AM

FredaDeStilleto: Grew up during the Cold War and stayed in West Berlin for over a month. Crossed over to the East at Checkpoint Charlie and detained for about an hour by East German guards.

That was one truly scarey time.


Family member of mine lived near the wall for many years during the Cold War and had to travel back and forth to the East quite a bit for business. He had a fairly important status and so could f*ck with the guards a bit.

They used to always ask visitors (roughly translated into English) "What is your business in the German Democratic Republic (East Germany)?"

Towards the end of the Cold War he start responding with "My business in the Russian occupied portion of Germany is...etc". They'd give him the thousand yard stare and he'd sit there smiling. They'd phone in his papers, etc, blah blah. Hold him up for about 20 min, but they'd always have to let him go.

/csb
 
2011-08-13 09:49:50 AM
Hmm.. That's all? And it's been gone almost as long as it was up. Yet I still remember when it came down. Now that makes me feel old...
 
2011-08-13 09:53:42 AM
The BBC's Stephen Evans in Berlin says the East German authorities portrayed the Wall as a barrier to keep the fascist West out - what came to be known as the Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart.

But he says the accepted view now is that it was to keep East German potential migrants in.


50 years, and BBC's just now figuring this out?
 
2011-08-13 10:04:40 AM
Classic Reagan (youtube)
 
2011-08-13 10:17:11 AM
I was just a kid when they put up the Iron Curtain. I remember watching the ceremony on TV where they slid it into place. I said "Mommy, how are the kids supposa to run to the other side of the street where their friends are with that big curtain in the way?" She looked at me for a second and broke down and started crying hysterically, saying "THEY CAN'T, BILLY! THEY CAN'T!"
 
2011-08-13 10:24:58 AM

topcon: I was just a kid when they put up the Iron Curtain. I remember watching the ceremony on TV where they slid it into place. I said "Mommy, how are the kids supposa to run to the other side of the street where their friends are with that big curtain in the way?" She looked at me for a second and broke down and started crying hysterically, saying "THEY CAN'T, BILLY! THEY CAN'T!"


Ahhh. That's kind of a funny story.
 
2011-08-13 10:26:19 AM
I have a small piece of it, as I'm sure many people do.

It's fascinating to look at it and contemplate what it was, what it represented and that it is completely gone now.

Somehow the world did something right for a change.
 
2011-08-13 10:28:49 AM
More than 300 watchtowers were erected to spot escapees

i.imgur.com
 
2011-08-13 10:30:09 AM
My Dad was in the Berlin Brigade in the mid 60's, has some interesting stories to tell.

One time when he first got over there some buddies and he were out on the main street near the wall sharing a paper bag of hot peanuts. When they were done with them, he blew up the bag and popped it...everyone in the area ducked and covered.

He didn't do it again.
 
2011-08-13 10:33:23 AM

jmr61: I have a small piece of it, as I'm sure many people do.

It's fascinating to look at it and contemplate what it was, what it represented and that it is completely gone now.

Somehow the world did something right for a change.


Not completely gone. There are spots around Berlin where the wall still stands, particularly one place not too far from Checkpoint Charlie.
 
2011-08-13 10:42:28 AM
My initial thought was that it was censored text, and that Dick Cheney was way older than 50.
 
2011-08-13 10:55:11 AM

jmr61: I have a small piece of it, as I'm sure many people do.

It's fascinating to look at it and contemplate what it was, what it represented and that it is completely gone now.

Somehow the world did something right for a change.


Blind squirrel, nut, all that.
 
2011-08-13 10:57:19 AM

BreezyWheeze: Oh I get it. It's like a wall.

How droll.


Tried to submit this with a Pink Floyd related joke myself.
 
2011-08-13 11:01:37 AM

jmr61: I have a small piece of it, as I'm sure many people do.


I visited Berlin the summer after the wall came down and bought a bag of souvenir pieces for 5DM near Checkpoint Charlie. I gave some away but I still have a few nice-looking chunks and a bunch of small fragments (including one that I chipped off the wall myself).
 
2011-08-13 11:24:22 AM
WINDS OF WALLHALLAAAAA

THE KINGDOM OF HITLER IS THE KINGDOM OF GAY
FOR ALL THE BRAVEST OF MEN WHO RIDE TO GAY
AND SOMEONE AMOUNG THEM HAD THE SKILL OF THE GAY
WHOD LEAD THEM ON THE ROAD TO GAYAYYAYAYAYY
WHEN THE WINDS OF VALHALLLA WOULD COMMEE
THEY DSAID THAT THE BLOOD WILL START TO FLOOWOWOOWW

IN THE VALAHALALA
GAYNESS
THEORY
OF
THE UNIVERSE
HITLER
IS
THE ANTICHRIST
AND DOES NOT DESTURB THE JESUS
WITH THE ICP
AND DOWN WITH THA CLOWN
 
2011-08-13 11:24:28 AM
I listened to an album by Berlin once. Also know all the lyrics to The Wall.

Fiftieth anniversary of the building of something that fell 28 years later? They will green light anything these days.
 
2011-08-13 12:00:46 PM
If any of y'all have 3-1/2 hours to spare, Wim Wenders' Wings of Desire (or Der Himmel über Berlin, auf Deutsch) has many beautiful shots of the wall shortly before it came down, most of it covered with really cool graffiti art.

It's one of my favorite movies.
 
2011-08-13 12:05:17 PM
The family spent a week in Berlin in the mid-eighties. We were able to take a tour of East Berlin through Checkpoint Charlie. Coming back into West Berlin, the border guards thoroughly check your papers to make sure you're legit. I was in the back of the bus as the guards checked everyones papers. As the guards were walking off the bus, I muttered under my breath, "What about this guy under my seat?" You should have seen the evil glares I got from the people who heard me. Thankfully, the guards didn't hear me...but my Dad did and I still bear the scars from that beatdown!
 
2011-08-13 12:10:57 PM
Goodbye Lenin; great indie flick concerning East Germany after the collapse and opening the border. One family's story type of story. Did I mention super flick?
 
2011-08-13 12:11:02 PM
Mr. Subby, tear down that headline.
 
2011-08-13 12:13:36 PM
The wisdom of Mad Magazine: "If Communism is so great, why don't they erect a picture window instead of an Iron Curtain" this was under the letterhead on the contents page in 1961.
 
2011-08-13 12:24:44 PM
The commies did worse things than the wall, killed far more people than the Nazis, yet some people think it's uber cool to wear Che shirts.

Oh, and I caught the "potential migrants" phrase in the BBC story. Heh. Way to softpedal it. Those damm commie BBC writers *still* can't bring themselves to admit that communism sucked so much that people were desperate to flee from it. The BBC is still heartbroken the USSR folded.
 
2011-08-13 12:53:14 PM

DeRosso: My initial thought was that it was censored text, and that Dick Cheney was way older than 50.


That's good to hear, thanks.
 
2011-08-13 01:14:05 PM
But building a wall between the US and Mexico is ok then, right? RIGHT?

Penalize employers offering them work and the tide will stop. But building walls and persecuting poor people trying to find work is cheaper than shutting down the root cause. Jails are fr brown people.
 
2011-08-13 01:21:22 PM

mark12A: The commies did worse things than the wall, killed far more people than the Nazis, yet some people think it's uber cool to wear Che shirts.

Oh, and I caught the "potential migrants" phrase in the BBC story. Heh. Way to softpedal it. Those damm commie BBC writers *still* can't bring themselves to admit that communism sucked so much that people were desperate to flee from it. The BBC is still heartbroken the USSR folded.


You tell them, Frank Stallone!
 
2011-08-13 01:22:32 PM

topcon: I was just a kid when they put up the Iron Curtain. I remember watching the ceremony on TV where they slid it into place. I said "Mommy, how are the kids supposa to run to the other side of the street where their friends are with that big curtain in the way?" She looked at me for a second and broke down and started crying hysterically, saying "THEY CAN'T, BILLY! THEY CAN'T!"



This is the best CSB I've read in a long time. Thank you for that.

/dusty in here...?
 
2011-08-13 01:36:08 PM

lohphat: But building a wall between the US and Mexico is ok then, right? RIGHT?

Penalize employers offering them work and the tide will stop. But building walls and persecuting poor people trying to find work is cheaper than shutting down the root cause. Jails are fr brown people.


0.5/10 Needs more whargarbl and you should have left the second part for an alt to retort, then you might have started a little fire.
 
2011-08-13 02:34:57 PM

FredaDeStilleto: Grew up during the Cold War and stayed in West Berlin for over a month. Crossed over to the East at Checkpoint Charlie and detained for about an hour by East German guards.

That was one truly scarey time.


i lived there for two years. Awesome city. It was just after the wall fell.

lohphat: But building a wall between the US and Mexico is ok then, right? RIGHT?

Penalize employers offering them work and the tide will stop. But building walls and persecuting poor people trying to find work is cheaper than shutting down the root cause. Jails are fr brown people.


Go be stupid on dailykos. It's not about persecuting poor people, it's about enforcing THE FARKING LAW and protecting our social systems. Immigrants ruin systems when they take from the without having paid. They break the law when they come in, i don't want criminals walking free in my country. It has NOTHING to do with race, for me at least. i'd be against a blue eyed blonde Swedish illegal with a PhD. Come here legally or fark off.

And yes, punishing those who hire illegals would be the most help.
 
2011-08-13 02:36:48 PM
CSB time and a reccomendation.

I grew up in the Fifties and Sixties and recall watching the evening news video of the Wall going up. We were living in Sarasota, FL then and during the Cuban Missle Crisis. Sarasota is about 60 miles from MacDill AFB, so, given the accuracy of missles then, the missles that would have been launched to hit it stood almost the same chance of hitting it or us. Dad was on the road a lot, so Mom spent a lot of time worrying what to do if we went to war and she was stuck at home with three kids and her parents and no idea where Dad was or how to get ahold of him.

It was with all this in mind that when I watched the Wall come down on live TV, I called her to see if she was watching. She was and she was weeping, weeping for joy as she never, ever expected to see it come down in her lifetime.

A few nights later, it was my turn to mist up. I watched a special performance of the Berlin Philharmonic, conducted by Leonard Bernstein, performing Beethoven's Ninth. When they got to the part in "The Ode To Joy," where the principal male singer fairly shouts "Freude!" it had been changed to "Freiheit!" That really got me.

Reccomendation, if you haven't seen it, go buy or rent the movie, "The Lives of Others." It is set in the late years of a divided Germany and is one of the most powerful movies I have ever seen.
 
2011-08-13 02:47:05 PM

skinink: Thank heaven Reagan was able to get the wall torn down.


You should thank those 100s of 1000s of East German citizens who started marching for democracy, freedom and unification, under the threat of being arrested or killed in the process. They were the ones that got the wall torn down, not Reagan.
 
2011-08-13 03:36:38 PM
My dad was stationed in Germany when the wall went up.

It was a bad time to be an American stationed in Germany at the time. They still hadn't gotten over the war, and the wall going up was blamed on the Americans, too.
 
2011-08-13 04:22:19 PM

mark12A: The commies did worse things than the wall, killed far more people than the Nazis, yet some people think it's uber cool to wear Che shirts.


So is this cool or uncool?

resources3.news.com.au
 
2011-08-13 04:37:48 PM

apeiron242: It's not about persecuting poor people, it's about enforcing THE FARKING LAW and protecting our social systems. Immigrants ruin systems when they take from the without having paid. They break the law when they come in, i don't want criminals walking free in my country.


Faux News talking point. Every analysis shows Thayer contribute more in cheap labor and sales taxes than they come close to consuming in social services.

But no, ZOMFGWTFBBQ we gotta build a worthless wall and spend money on this insteadof returning to a sane AG temp worker visa.

You must work for the prison industrial complex.

Jail 20 CEOs making bank on cheap labor and "the problem" would fix itself in 180 days.

Oh yeah, then watch as food prices skyrocket because US Americans would never do that kind of work.
 
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