More Alaska pot info.

On June 25th an Alaskan Superior Court judge (Richard Savell of Fairbanks) dismissed a man's marijuana conviction, saying that the AK constitution allows pot possession for personal use. There is currently a conflict between constitutional court decisions and statutory prohibition (a ballot measure in 1990 made possession illegal), but we're working on it.

Yay Alaska! Yay frontier mentality and cowboy individualism!

2003-09-11 03:36:32 PM Loose_Stool


listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already

Read the farking article already! He didn't get busted for smoking pot you dolt. He was busted for selling a product that could possibly be used to smoke pot.

/goes back 100 years

Women voting is illegal. If women try to vote they go to jail, simple as that.

Just because something is against the law don't make it right. My only (faint) hope is that this will make people angry enough to actually do something about this.

There has been some dialog about marijuana laws lately at least. For a while there it was taboo for major media organizations to even bring it up. There was a full page ad in the local paper this week discussing a state initiative to make simple possession prosecution the lowest priority. There also was an hour long show about the history of marijuana laws in the country on History Channel recently.

I've always contended that if we get the subject out in the open and discuss it, the laws really wouldn't last that long.

biggyfred


And he was a shiathead too, GEAH.

What's your point?

GEAH's point was that the 100+ posts blaming Ashcroft/Bush are stupid. They are politicians doing what politician's do. Make noise and smoke about an issue that the kind of Americans who vote care about. Ever hear of a politician who was AGAINST the war on drugs (OK an electable politician) nope? whys that? After all Clinton tried dope and Bush sniffed a few lines so how could they be that much against drugs? Simple. Saying you won't fight drugs would be nearly as politically deadly as saying you wouldn't arrest child molesters.

Re:The_Hood 2003-09-11 03:40:16 PM :

Farkin' a bubba!

Is pepsi gonna get sued? In a pinch ill always use a can of pepsi and a small screwdriver to smoke out

yeah, but it's not illegal to eat poisonous mushrooms. so why is it illegal to smoke marijuana?

WarNPeace
Thanks for the laugh! "Man, that dude told me this was arab flavored tabacco, but when I got it home and smoked it, it turned out to be that nasty persian flavored schwag."

2003-09-11 03:37:26 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress


joemahoney


#1 Going 10 - 15 miles over the speed limit is not a jailable offense. Ahhh, but what if Ashcroft decided it was? If I did it over and over again, and drove without a license I might bet put in the clink. But at that point it's about reckless disragard, not speeding.

#2 Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

#3 Ya got me on that one chief. I actually saw a Traci Lords video in college. A year later. she let everyone know she was illegal. Of course, I wasn't breaking the law at the time.

game-set-match.

Thank you, Yes you could be jailed under certain laws for admitting that you viewed Traci Lords when she was not of leagal age. So there you go, perhaps after bunking up with Chong you might realize that niether of you belonged in a Federal prison....


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Sorry dude, Ashcroft doesn't get to decide to jail me for speeding. You might want to do some research on how laws become laws. Plus speeding isn't a federal offense, even on the Interstate.
And it wasn't illegal to view Traci videos before it was revealed that she was underage. It is illegal to possess them now.

A link to a copy of his site.

I hope this shiat gets ppl out there to vote!

See what happens when you get complacent.

Hey man, they're not, like, bongs. They're like, um, tampons.

"2003-09-11 03:36:32 PM Loose_Stool

listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already"

Yeah- God forbid we break any laws like the people who founded this country because they couldn't take the oppresive laws they were ordered to follow.

All there is to it? Must be nice to live in so much fear your brainwashed into buying everything your fed. Not to American to keep from having your own ideas, but then again you seem cool with whatever "New America" tells you to believe. Try hooking up with some courage, study what's really going on in the world, and formulate some original thought.

Or don't, none of my business really. Just thought you may take some accountability for yourself.

Laws have been changed and fixed since the dawn of civilization. At one point alchohol was illegal, producing crime and danger. That was changed. Things have to change. That's all there is to it.

Grow up already.

In college we made one-hitters and bongs out of the following:

Bic pens
Coke (any soda) cans
Plastic water bottles
2-litre soda bottles

You can make anything become "paraphenalia" if you use your imagination.

"too American," not to American... My bad.

Of course!! No bongs = no drug abuse

While we're at it, we better make Coke and Pepsi put "For beverage consumption only" disclaimers on all their cans.

Bullhonky!!

bubbles_nw2003 Any Candians or Europeans looking to marry a nice American girl?? If Bush wins next time, I'm leaving.. this is ridiculous.

Hell yeah! I live in Holland, no problems getting hold of the herb here, the nearest "coffeeshop" is a 5 minute walk.

let's arrest lifeguards and EMTs

i've seen people use the one-way valves for the masks on for other things

Pollexabator:

heh my pleasure... So many smart ass remarks, so little time =)

You play, you pay. He knew he was selling his product for illegal drug use and now he must face the consequences of his actions.

Get over it and move on.

OK Hood (and everone else) other than posting to talk-backs what are you doing to reverse the drug laws?
Attending law school are you?
Planning to run for office?
Vote for a pro-drug candidate?
Moving somewhere where pot is legal?
No i didn't think so. the reason these laws are still around is because the stoner community can't seem to get its act together to do anything about it.
Most people (i know there will be exceptions) grow out of the smoking pot phase of their lives and realize it isn't a cause worth fighting for.

joemahoney if you think that selling a waterpipe that could be used to smoke weed, cloves, tobacco, any number of legal domestic/imported herbs, is a jailable offense, in a federal prison no less, then I'm sure you also agree selling rolling papers, and lighters is as well. I mean they only have illegal uses. And your TIVO you use to record all the brain dead tv shows that make your 83 IQ brain laugh, that is only used to make ILLEGAL copies so it should be outlawed as well. And also all firearms should be criminalized. No law enforcement of any kind should be armed. We should all use nerf guns. I mean we wouldn't want to hurt each other. Joe why don't you just go back to whatever sheltered place you live in and leave the rest of us the fark alone.

I blame Ashcroft and Bush for stupid shows like this because they choose to try and enforce an unjust law, or at the very least try to close a loophole by sidestepping the legislative process. People were selling waterpipes all during the Reagan administration, but there was no crackdown then, was there? Why not?

Ashcroft is evil and insane. Losing an election to a dead person really had an adverse affect him psychologically I'm afraid. Naming him AG just sparked some kind of revenge cycle, and he ain't done yet!

Chong didn't have too much of a choice to plead guilty with the full weight of the JD coming down on him. He was probably threatened with some kind of homeland security BS that could have landed him in jail for a MUCH longer time, and bankrupted him and his family trying to fight it. What the hell, take 9 months and come out a hero. This guy is an American Icon for chissakes! I think the backlash from this and other stupid moves will be harsh and deep.

Remember kids. Vote...and vote carefully. Your life may depend on it.

With good behavior, he'll be out in less. Not to mention the fact that he'll be treated like FARKING ROYALTY during his stay in the can.

Jack_W_B, so if you sell a handgun in a high crime area you should go to jail for conspiracy to commit murder/robbery?

2003-09-11 03:45:26 PM Tigger


on a separate note these threads inevitably contain Fark's two most ridiculous arguments:

1) You knew you were breaking the law so you shouldn't have done it (assumes one hundred percent correlation of natural and positive law, belies miserable failure to consider historical events, demonstrates total inability to consider the specific from a general principle).

2) Why are you talking about this on the internet when you could start a campaign (assumes one precludes the other, you have no right to complain unless you are actively involved in change, that large scale public voicing of opinion in media such as the internet is not in and of itself an agent of change)


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Ramble on...

Well said, Tigger.

2003-09-11 03:47:55 PM Jack_W_B


You play, you pay. He knew he was selling his product for illegal drug use and now he must face the consequences of his actions.

Get over it and move on.

He was selling products to make money. What his cusomers did with the products was their business.

tallguywithglasseson

Uhh, I don't get it. Can you, like, spoon feed me or something? :)

Chong in the joint? I heard he is also involved in or else
runs a company called "Urine Luck" that has ads for
clean urine samples in the back of High Times magazine.

I know it's not specifically in the Bill of Rights, but
I think that inalienable right to "the pursuit of happiness" is a fair basis for nullifying all of the
victimless crime laws on the books. I for one do not smoke pot, but it IS a victimless activity.
Don't give that shiat about drug violence and people stealing to get high. Only a very small fraction of that stuff would be going on if the stuff were legal, so logically it is the result of the prohibitions, not the drugs themselves.
If we just said no to the drug war

Jeebus - You women sure like to yak.
Does anyone have anything NEW to add to this old, worn out thread?

joemahoney - "Then change the law. The time you folks spend on the Internet could be used to start your campaign."

This is true. I've written three letters and have sent a few hundred emails (not so tough to do, really). Maybe I should start a petition, or find an existing one which presents the issue in an intelligent, persuasive and non-alienating fashion.

You know, a fellow could argue that discussing the issue in a public forum is more effective than writing easily ignored letters to busy people.

I haven't bought weed in a looong time, but today i purchased a quarter pound of KB just because of this crap - it's for a tribute party tonight for Tommy Chong!

Oh, and it was grown locally (Austin, Texas) so I'm not "supporting terrorism"

Take THAT Ashcroft! Keep on tokin'!

Loose_Stool

Uhhhh....let's see what i"m doing to change the drug laws:

I support parties who are progressive on the issue.
I write letters of support and criticism to politicians.
I smoke openly.

Many others do these things too, and have for years.

In our democracy our leaders listen to the people and the laws are changing.

In your democracy/republic are the leaders not supposed to listen to the people as well? I was under the impression that your govt was "of the people and by the people and for the people".

Don't blame the "stoner community" for not changing your laws. Blame the fact that your government has been hijacked for over 20 years by status-quo-minded white men who have forgotten what and whom they represent. The stoners HAVE changed laws in places like the UK, Canada, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Ireland, Germany.......

if we just said no to the drug war and prohibition we would save billions on enforcement, would stop ruining people's lives for no good reason, and have a law enforcement community with more time and resources to fight real crime.

Fark Party in Austin, TX!

squidloe wrote:

I love reading all the posts in this thread that say this is GW's fault or welcome to Ashcroft's America etc. The drug laws have been on the books for quite some time now. And the law that Chong was charged and found guilty under was not a law that was recently passed.

GW bashing and Ashcroft bashing can be fun, when appropriate. But to insert it into every thread and discussion is getting old. Enough already. Your posts aren't even clever or funny, they're mundane at best.

Fark is a release for a lot of us. We get to say things and take stands that we ordinarily wouldn't take or wouldn't have the balls to take publicly. I hope those that always insert the "It's Bush's fault", "It's Ashcrosft's Fault" argument do a better job bascking your arguments up in the real world where it matters. Or maybe you don't have the balls.


//Don't forget Fox!! Fox is part of the axis of evil!!

Poor Chong.. $50 says Kobe Bryant gets a lesser charge

2003-09-11 03:48:25 PM AgentPothead


joemahoney if you think that selling a waterpipe that could be used to smoke weed, cloves, tobacco, any number of legal domestic/imported herbs, is a jailable offense, in a federal prison no less, then I'm sure you also agree selling rolling papers, and lighters is as well. I mean they only have illegal uses. And your TIVO you use to record all the brain dead tv shows that make your 83 IQ brain laugh, that is only used to make ILLEGAL copies so it should be outlawed as well. And also all firearms should be criminalized. No law enforcement of any kind should be armed. We should all use nerf guns. I mean we wouldn't want to hurt each other. Joe why don't you just go back to whatever sheltered place you live in and leave the rest of us the fark alone.


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What's your point?
My point is this: I'm not debating if the law is just or not; it's currently a law and he broke the law. He entered his plea.
The facts are there to be seen. It's just folks like you that want to turn this thread into an argument for legalizing pot. If you want to change the law, do it, I don't care.

lesser "Sentence"

2003-09-11 03:50:55 PM fatassbastard


tallguywithglasseson

Uhh, I don't get it. Can you, like, spoon feed me or something? :)

Spoons are drug paraphenalia! I'm reporting your suggestion to the MiniLuv at once

This thread makes me want to blaze a big phatty and laugh at you. But what to use for a pipe, my source is out of circulation.

Wait, I've got it. I'll hollow out this piece of wood.

Now I know what some of you are thinking... Here we have a piece of wood dug out into a pipe. Maybe the solution would be to ban the possession of trees, maybe cut them all down. That would stop someone from using one as a pipe. Yeah, that would solve the problem!

2003-09-11 03:53:35 PM Bill_Wick's_Friend


Loose_Stool

Uhhhh....let's see what i"m doing to change the drug laws:

I support parties who are progressive on the issue.
I write letters of support and criticism to politicians.
I smoke openly.

how's that working for you?

I'm sick of the lies, VOTE BUSH OUT!!! FREE TOMMY CHONG !!!!! I really hope Chong goes public with this big time, I want to see protests, the word must be heard, It's time to tell the fat greedy conservitives to get the hell out of our lives!

joemahoney

People often plead guilty to charges of crimes they did not commit or actions that may or may not be illegal to avoid the cost of the fight and potential consequences of losing the fight.

2003-09-11 03:51:58 PM Scrotar
joemahoney - "Then change the law. The time you folks spend on the Internet could be used to start your campaign."

This is true. I've written three letters and have sent a few hundred emails (not so tough to do, really). Maybe I should start a petition, or find an existing one which presents the issue in an intelligent, persuasive and non-alienating fashion.

You know, a fellow could argue that discussing the issue in a public forum is more effective than writing easily ignored letters to busy people.

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I enjoy your responses. I respect your opinion and you sound like an adult. You seem to be the only person that gets where I'm coming from. I not taking a pro or anti stance on pot despite my feelings on the issue. I just think some folks here need an education.