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2003-09-11 02:19:03 PM
Welcome to the Land of the Free(tm)
 
2003-09-11 02:19:12 PM
How bout a 'Dumbass' tag?
 
2003-09-11 02:20:01 PM
Guess that Cheech & Chong reunion is on hold for now
 
2003-09-11 02:20:05 PM
1. Collect bongs
2. ???????
3. Get farked up the ass in prison.
 
2003-09-11 02:20:12 PM
FREE CHONG
 
2003-09-11 02:20:15 PM
But they were being used for a religous reason.
 
2003-09-11 02:20:28 PM
poor guy :\

all he wanted was money for cheetos
 
2003-09-11 02:20:39 PM
Oh yeah, I can see that Federal priorities are in order.
/end sarcasm
 
2003-09-11 02:20:46 PM
Smoke a fat bowl full for Tommy, man.

What about "That 70's Show"?
 
2003-09-11 02:21:01 PM
No THC residue on the products: No CRIME!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:21:07 PM
Chong: Wait what's the number for 911?

Cheech: Hey look under The Heat in the yellow book.
 
2003-09-11 02:21:22 PM
I feel so much safer b/c of this. Thanks Ashcroft!
 
2003-09-11 02:21:23 PM
"Minimum security prison is no picnic. The trick is to either kicks someone's ass the first day. Or become someone's biatch."
 
2003-09-11 02:21:27 PM
What a bunch of assholes...
 
2003-09-11 02:21:53 PM
Tommy!

Run back to Vancouver now!

Safety and sanity await you on this side of the border.
 
2003-09-11 02:22:04 PM
Think his career will go up in smoke?
 
2003-09-11 02:22:10 PM
But OJ kills two people and runs from police but HE gets to go play golf.

Justice has been served.
 
2003-09-11 02:22:24 PM
It's so nice that we're getting dangerous criminals off of the streets.
 
2003-09-11 02:22:37 PM
Rather racy headline for the front page, no?
 
2003-09-11 02:22:40 PM
HOLY fark!!! Hes not dangerous...
 
2003-09-11 02:22:46 PM
I really can't wait to see how this turns out.

And for those of you too lazy to click the link:

PITTSBURGH, Sept. 11 Comedian Tommy Chong has been sentenced to nine months in federal prison and fined $20,000 for selling bongs and other drug paraphernalia over the Internet. Chong will be told in a few weeks where hell have to report to prison.

CHONG, whos 65, pleaded guilty to conspiring to sell drug paraphernalia and pleaded guilty on behalf of his company, Nice Dreams Enterprises.
The company will be sentenced later today.
Theres no word on how this will affect Chongs reunion with Cheech Marin.
The two reportedly have been writing a script for a movie.
 
2003-09-11 02:23:02 PM
Gosh! I can feel drug use declining in my community already.
 
2003-09-11 02:23:02 PM
We need a restraining order:

Government asshats cannot go withing 500 feet of the internet.
 
2003-09-11 02:23:04 PM
He forgot the "For Tobacco Use Only" signs.
 
2003-09-11 02:23:07 PM
Welcome to Ashcroft's America...
 
2003-09-11 02:23:17 PM
Wow - I sure feel safer now that that criminal menace is off the streets.

This country is retarded.
 
2003-09-11 02:23:19 PM
So why isn't this guy going to prison?


http://www.drbongs.com/
 
2003-09-11 02:23:31 PM
1. Should have "obvious" tag.
2. He won't see one day in prison because he is a "celebrity."
3. I went to high school with a guy named So Long Chong Bong.

Well, maybe #3 isn't all that accurate...
 
2003-09-11 02:23:34 PM


I forgot to mention that since that evil Tommy Chong is behind bars, Ashcroft can now focus his efforts on convicting Ken Lay of the biggest case of corporate fraud in history.
 
2003-09-11 02:23:37 PM
Dave's not here !
 
2003-09-11 02:23:51 PM
Heil Ashcroft!!

We can all sleep well now knowing this criminal mastermind will no longer murder hundreds of innocent college students slowly with his mind poison infusers. What a complete and utter waste of our tax dollars. Wish Canada's immigration policy was as lax as our....
 
2003-09-11 02:24:06 PM
I'm with borrito_bob, who's with us man?
 
2003-09-11 02:24:19 PM
so, will someone please explain to me how selling a piece of glass that MAY or MAY NOT be used to smoke tweeds with can be considered a farking jailable offense????????????????????????????????????

and then explain to me how this has this has not been overturned.

FREE TOMMY
 
2003-09-11 02:24:29 PM
Well I'm glad to see the Gub'ment took care of that problem.
Selling bongs is a crime against freedom!
 
2003-09-11 02:24:37 PM
Whatever you think about the sentencing itself, you just gotta love the headline.

"Chong gonged for selling bongs."

It's almost Dr-Seuss-like.
 
2003-09-11 02:24:50 PM
It's a good thing that we "liberated" Iraq, so that they can be "free" like us, eh?
 
2003-09-11 02:24:52 PM
Tommy, if you can read this, come to Canada. I'll hide you in my basement.

And I'll second the motion:

FREE CHONG!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:25:27 PM
sorry about the double "this has".

/angry typing
 
2003-09-11 02:25:30 PM
Phew, we can all walk the streets safely again.

F you Ashcroft.
 
2003-09-11 02:25:31 PM
Boooooooo!
 
2003-09-11 02:26:14 PM
I hate ashcroft so much now (already did though)..... God I hate him..

Thank you to every idiot that supports this administration.... Alot of you are here on fark.

It's God Damn Chong.. Is anything farking sacred ???
 
2003-09-11 02:26:26 PM
The guy is 65 for christ's sake.

This is what the feds are doing?

This is how my tax dollars are going to be spent?

On a guy that sold bongs?

Let's see....I think I'd much rather have a few more child molesting priests incarcerated instead.
 
2003-09-11 02:26:44 PM
Come on guys, no squirrel master references yet?
 
2003-09-11 02:26:53 PM
Welcome to the Draconian, intolerant, special interest loving, United soviet states of America. I'm so glad I've got my get out of jail free card (British passport), if this place gets any worse (intolerant and xenophobic) I'll have to use it.


-Nationalists and confederate flag wavers flame on!
 
2003-09-11 02:26:55 PM
So, is the new Cheech and Chong movie going to be the first big screen reality show?
 
2003-09-11 02:26:55 PM
FREE CHONG!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:27:16 PM
Well thank god somebody thought about the children. With Tommy Chong safely locked away behind bars I never ever need worry about my children discovering drugs.

Well... time for another martini. We're celebrating!
 
2003-09-11 02:27:35 PM
Glad we have our priorities straight.

I'd say what I feel, but I'm scared that my free speech will land me in jail.
 
2003-09-11 02:27:53 PM
Damn Kornchex.

I just popped in here to drop one.

"And the Squirrel Master came out of left field..."
 
2003-09-11 02:27:57 PM
I'm with you guys.
FREE CHONG!!
 
2003-09-11 02:28:02 PM
No THC residue on the products: No CRIME!!!

In Asscroft's America, prosecutors' motto has become "no evidence of crime, no problem!!!"
 
2003-09-11 02:28:51 PM
THEY ARE WATERPIPES NOT BONGS!!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:29:04 PM
Fark the DEA.

That is all.
 
2003-09-11 02:29:12 PM
why isn't pandering dirtbag Lou Adler in sodomy cameo appearance?
 
2003-09-11 02:29:19 PM
Well, at least I know a guy who blows glass and can make his own pieces.

Its Chong man, he'll be like JB going to prison. What could possibly happen?
 
2003-09-11 02:29:24 PM

Half Baked 2: The Search For The Squirrel Master

/too lazy to photoshop
 
2003-09-11 02:29:24 PM
Guys, guys, guys...didn't you see the Enron treasurer got sentenced to 5 years today? Help lose $68 billion...sell a few bongs...same difference.
 
2003-09-11 02:29:26 PM
and FREE CHONG!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:29:34 PM
I know someone here is an attorney... How is it that SOME bongs are sold in a totally legal fashion as "smoking supplies" while other IDENTICAL bongs are deemed "drug paraphernalia?????

Without any comments on the merit of smoking any particular substance: If one bong is legal, shouldn't ALL bongs be legal?

It seems like we have some sort of arbitrary enforcement going on.
 
2003-09-11 02:29:45 PM
No mater what happens, pass the doobie.
 
2003-09-11 02:30:17 PM
They should have put Rae Don Chong in instead. She ruined Commando.
 
2003-09-11 02:30:17 PM
I call bullshiat. What federal prison is Ken Lay going to?

/no justice
 
2003-09-11 02:30:22 PM
WALLACE: Oh, man. We've been pulled over. [TOSSES LIT JOINT INTO THE BACKSEAT WHERE IT BEGINS TO SMOLDER]

[THE TROOPER KNOCKS ON THE WINDOW AGAIN]

STOUDAMIRE: [GIGGLING INSANELY] "You keep'a knockin', but you can't come in ..."

STATE TROOPER: May I see your license, sir?

STOUDAMIRE: Whaaaa?

STATE TROOPER: Your license, sir. Where is your license?

STOUDAMIRE: It's right there on the rear bumper.
 
2003-09-11 02:30:31 PM
Seriously, here's the message for those on this board who can vote in US elections in 2004: get out there and vote. Anything But Bush. It worked once, and frankly everyone was better off when the Prez was getting some 'under-the-desk' action in the Oval Office, if you know what I mean.
 
2003-09-11 02:30:56 PM
america is farked until the uptight half can figure out how to live with other people.
 
2003-09-11 02:31:03 PM
Ummm... I can walk 5 blocks from my apartment and buy all the parafan... parapha... paraphernalia (aha!!!) I want. I can get on the internet and buy more. Why is Chong going to jail?
 
2003-09-11 02:31:31 PM


that's my biatch nasty nate
 
2003-09-11 02:31:33 PM
This makes me ashamed to have been born and raised in Pittsburgh. LEGALIZE IT. fark the bozos.
 
2003-09-11 02:31:37 PM

Serious question: What exactly does Ashcroft have to do with this? I'm asking for a direct connection

(the guy's a total asshat, yes, but the question remains...)

 
2003-09-11 02:31:38 PM
keep your chin up, brother. hopefully you can get that reduced to probation. when you get home, set something up off-shore in someone else's name.
 
2003-09-11 02:31:48 PM
Well, good. Now that that case is out of the way, maybe the Justice Department can finally get to work on that flimsey "Enron" thing.
 
2003-09-11 02:31:57 PM
Everyone that wants to Free Tommy Chong get on the bus. We're like there.
 
2003-09-11 02:32:11 PM
Any Candians or Europeans looking to marry a nice American girl?? If Bush wins next time, I'm leaving.. this is ridiculous.
 
2003-09-11 02:32:31 PM
I HATE JOHN ASHCROFT! 9 months? WTF? Steam is shooting out of my ears!! I'm glad that MSN could come up with such a cute headline. Oh yay! This is really funny. Nine Months. I'm serious, what the hell is going on here?
 
2003-09-11 02:32:53 PM
Yes, he must be freed. Off to check PetitionOnline to see about rectifying this immediately.
 
2003-09-11 02:33:23 PM
I would like to leave this country if Bush's admin gets re-elected.

If there is a hell, I wouldn't mind going there so I could see this farkers and beat them all senseless.

United Regime of America
 
xam
2003-09-11 02:33:27 PM
Remember the headshops of the 60s/70s? Bongs, papers, pipes screens etc. You can still can buy papers at certain places legally. WTF?
 
2003-09-11 02:33:37 PM
To the headline writer: I just finished watching Office Space, and did a "HOLY FARKIN' SHIAT" when I saw the headline.

Now, who gets the honor of becoming the Squirrel Master's biatch?
 
2003-09-11 02:33:46 PM
Chong is so much a danger to society. I will feel much safer with him behind bars.
 
2003-09-11 02:34:09 PM
State verses Stoner
 
2003-09-11 02:34:23 PM
I'll still be able to buy pot if i wanted to. This does nothing. fark Ashcroft and our government.
 
2003-09-11 02:34:24 PM
I'm voting Anyone But Ashcroft.

I didn't think it was possible to be more farking insane than Janet Reno. For fark's sake, he was selling glass on the internet.
 
2003-09-11 02:34:53 PM
Soooo.. how long 'till newspeak becomes the new American language? (remember, Uncle Sam is watching you)

seriously though, this just sucks. =(
 
2003-09-11 02:35:17 PM
John Ashcroft will get a Jesus action figure shoved up his arse for this.
 
2003-09-11 02:35:29 PM
I can't believe Chong was involved with marijuana.

Oh and fiznuck the drug war.

Thank you very much.
 
2003-09-11 02:35:36 PM
This is a complete travesty of justice and a waste of the tax payer's money.



/
Meanwhile lost boaters are ending up on airport tarmacs and people are shipping themselves on planes in boxes. They, can't find Osama or Saddam, but they sure can find Johnny's pot stash.
 
2003-09-11 02:35:41 PM
but... but... but... it's Tommy farking CHONG!!

FREE CHONG
 
2003-09-11 02:36:42 PM
Well Mr. Ashcroft you'll be happy to know I've just phoned the police and let them know my grandfather has a huge collection of pipes himself. He says he uses them for tobacco, but we all know the truth.
 
2003-09-11 02:36:44 PM
mikemir

Ashcroft made a crusade against interstate paraphanalia shippers.

From an article in the Pittsburg Channel:

The charges were filed as part of "Operation Pipe Dreams," a national drug crackdown that stretched from Pittsburgh to Phoenix to southern California, according to Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Prosecutors said Chong sold bongs, pipes and other items used to smoke marijuana on a Web site from September 2001 to February 2003. The items were distributed to stores across the country, including several in western Pennsylvania, prosecutors said.

Agents said Chong's company, Nice Dreams Enterprises, manufactured and distributed assorted paraphernalia under the name Chong Glass. The Drug Enforcement Administration set up a local sting through a front in Beaver Falls called Thompson Novelties and purchased $6,000 worth of items.

Federal agents later raided Chong's California business and said they found financial records linking him to bong sales.


Now, I am confused about one thing -- in Illinois, paraphernalia's not illegal until it's actually used to consume drugs. I.E. -- that bong could be used as a flower vase. Why's what Tommy's doing illegal? Anyone know? I mean, aside from the fact that he's a big name target that will send shivers down the dirty hippie spines of all those terrorism-supporting potheads out there?
 
2003-09-11 02:36:57 PM
Dude, what the hell!?

FREE CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 02:37:28 PM
He sold a device that might be used to inhale a substance less deadly than tobacco, so he naturally deserves to be orally and anally raped and infected with STDS.
/sarcasm

Think this is bad? Wait 'til you or a family member has to toss the salad. You'll learn quick why people hated the republicans.
/truth
 
2003-09-11 02:37:33 PM
Hey if there is an upside in all this it's that he will actually be well treated inside. The guys inside think that Cheech & Chong is the height of humor.


That is unless some hardass mug humping brown shirted dipstick guard don't go heavy on him and throw in isolation/segregation..."For his own good."
 
2003-09-11 02:37:34 PM
Chong really looks good for his age.

/taking third bong rip
 
2003-09-11 02:38:05 PM
Rejoice. Now we can go to "Threat Level Green."
 
2003-09-11 02:38:05 PM
Good riddance, I dont want to see another one of those awful movies.
 
2003-09-11 02:38:07 PM
Maybe Chong should have based his company somewhere other than the US, would that have granted him immunity?

But honestly, why now? I mean, Chong's been smoking since before I was born, and everyone knows this. He's Probably been on the cover of high times more than britney on rolling stone.

/Back up Nasty Nate, this is my biatch!
 
2003-09-11 02:38:13 PM
This really sucks. We are truly enslaved by these bible-thumping, xenophobic, homophobic, fat, white bastards. I'm claiming Independence from the U.S. Federal Government, and the state of California.
 
2003-09-11 02:38:22 PM
Here is your Ashcroft-Bong connection:

-> http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread15596.shtml
 
2003-09-11 02:38:37 PM
"People selling drug paraphernalia are in essence no different than drug dealers," said John Brown, acting DEA chief. "They are as much a part of drug trafficking as silencers are a part of criminal homicide."

Stand by folks, this is only the first of many suits and stings. Say goodbye to your favorite headshop, even if the laws of your state allow the sale of these items as tobacco pipes. If you challenge their juristiction and take it all the way to the Supreme Court, they'll just say it's interstate commerce and declare federal law reigns uber alles!

/Vote Quimby. He'll fix things.
 
2003-09-11 02:38:41 PM
Hold on we're takin this one to Washington.
 
2003-09-11 02:38:42 PM
John Ashcroft is the hero of young, easily influenced children everywhere for THIS!
 
2003-09-11 02:38:43 PM
mikemir


Serious question: What exactly does Ashcroft have to do with this? I'm asking for a direct connection
(the guy's a total asshat, yes, but the question remains...)


Ashcroft is responsible for the ongoing "Operation Pipe Dreams" which aims to make those who sell pareaph(sp)aneila receive jail time rivaling those of drug dealers.
 
2003-09-11 02:39:22 PM
Exactly xam, they where all over the place...

sigh freedom looses it's special appeal day after day.

...and I don't want to hear any asshat tell me I can go to another country if I don't like it here, cause you can take you sheep ass on home.

I think the whole country is just turning into a Federal 'Pound-You-In-The-Ass' prison.
 
2003-09-11 02:39:25 PM
The photo for the article is possibly 'shopped. If you look you can see a fuzzy pixelated border around Tommy. Also note his right shoulder is in the foreground while his lawyer should be in the foreground. It's a strange photo to say the least.

As for the whole deal with arresting Tommy Chong, what next, are they going to burn every book, film and recording he ever made with Cheech and without? He's obviously campaigning for legalization and, to the fanatic religious right wing maniacs in power, is therefore a threat to homeland security. So be sure to see all things mentioning drugs confiscated. There actually is a law that allows for that sort of censorship ( it was the anti-methamphetamine law and Diane Feinstein helped place language in the law that states it is illegal to even discuss academically drugs in any publication ).
 
2003-09-11 02:39:30 PM
mikemir,
This has everything to do with John Ashcroft. Maybe you don't remember months back when when Operation Pipe Dreams, (that's not a joke) was created and federal agents raided a bunch of head shops. Ashcroft was quoted as saying Quite simply, the illegal drug paraphernalia industry has invaded the homes of families across the country without their knowledge, That may have something to do with peoples negative attitide towards Ashcroft in this specific instance.
 
2003-09-11 02:39:56 PM


This shiat isn't funny. Somebody's getting tortured for this unfunny pack of lies and support for drug-using terrorists! This is Sturmbahnfuehrer Ashcroft calling in a Secret Torture strike against any and all readers of fark.com. Send the big chopppers because this Drew fella probably has 6-8 dozen readers. By all that's holy, we'll torture some patriotism into these non-believing, homosexual-promoting, pro-gambling, pro-dancing, reefer-promoting terrorists!
 
2003-09-11 02:40:00 PM
Bubbles

Sure, come on up... ..Bring warm clothes ;)

This is a travesty!!! Tommy, quick, come back to Edmonton. We'll buy your bongs!

/Oh yeah, and FREE TOMMY
 
2003-09-11 02:40:19 PM
mikemir

As to what Ashcroft has to do with this - Chong's bust was part of a program that Ashcroft, himself, started to reduce the sales of waterpipes and other accessories nationwide. The same day that chong was busted, a bunch of head shops online and a few real live ones were also busted as part of this program. Hell, check the farkives, there was an article posted that day.

DO YOUR RESEARCH!
 
2003-09-11 02:40:20 PM
Ugh. This country is turning into a fascist hellhole. Wear an American flag on a thong? You are Patriotic! By a bong from Chong? Criminal!
 
2003-09-11 02:40:26 PM

Tommy Chong set to jail, Please will someone think of the children ?!?!?


 
2003-09-11 02:40:28 PM
this is why you need to make your own, uh, water pipe in ceramics class in college, like I did..
 
2003-09-11 02:40:51 PM
Well this really ticks me off. Prison is for dangerous people, and this guy is anything but dangerous. Now, having said that, how wonderful it is to see asshats put this in a context of Ashcroft and Bush destroying the constitution blah blah blah. The (unwinnable and unconstitutional) drug war has been going on for decades. There were many, many, many, non-violent drug users jailed under Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter. Try to focus on the issue and not your own personal need to bash republicans.
 
2003-09-11 02:41:03 PM
I'll say it again.

Prison rape == comedy gold
 
2003-09-11 02:41:06 PM
mikemir: Serious question: What exactly does Ashcroft have to do with this? I'm asking for a direct connection
(the guy's a total asshat, yes, but the question remains...)


Asscroft created a new policy for the DOJ to shut down sellers of 'drug paraphenalia'. It was Asscroft who decided to prosecute bong sellers using the anti-drug statutes. He is directly responsible for Chong going to jail.
 
xam
2003-09-11 02:41:07 PM
Free Chong!

Save the whales!

Shoot the seals.
 
2003-09-11 02:41:09 PM
It is so WRONG that Tommy Chong got gonged for selling bongs.

Free Tommy!
 
mem
2003-09-11 02:41:33 PM
earache my ass.

ashcroft has to go. now.
 
2003-09-11 02:41:54 PM
We have a party store down the road a bit here that you can buy ANYTHING dope related. Not only is it right out on the front counter, they also adverstise it in weekly paper. We've never figured out how they got around doing this. I wouldn't let a child walk into that store, a 2 year old (that can drive a car heh) could figure out what they are for, not to mention every porno magazine ever made is sitting on the shelves for all to see.

Ashcroft is an asshat.
 
2003-09-11 02:42:16 PM
**sigh**

When EXACTLY does the revolution begin?

all i'm saying is that it better be after Adult Swim.
 
2003-09-11 02:42:33 PM
Bushy, Ashy, Rummy & Company will be looked back upon as the worst administration in American History. People are to blind and frightened to realize that now, but if we actually survive 20 more years, this will be looked back on as a dark time in American History.

This is just a minor thing, but it's representitive of the "New America." It's an insult to this country, and Bush/Ashcroft are moronic pieces of gopher dung. Here's praying America wakes up sooner than later.

Glad we have our priorities straight... 2 years from the anniversary of 9/11 and this is what the government is doing to protect us? Use propoganda to advance lost wars like the war on drugs? Breaking deficit records?

From midtown manhattan I'd like to say "Eat me Ashcroft."
 
2003-09-11 02:42:34 PM
mikemir asks:
Serious question: What exactly does Ashcroft have to do with this? I'm asking for a direct connection

He was sentenced in federal courts. As Attorney General, Ashcroft is in charge of setting the priorities of who will be prosecuted, etc. He probably didn't say "let's go arrest and prosecute Tommy Chong", but he probably did say something to the affect of "Let's shut down all of these Internet head shops."

Asshat. However, Tommy Chong will probably own that prison for the time he's in there. At the very least, he probably won't have to hide anyone's sausage for them.
 
2003-09-11 02:42:36 PM
by = buy
 
2003-09-11 02:42:37 PM
Wow, between this and the RIAA suing 12 year-old girls this has been quite a week for the American court system. Nothing like the smell of justice in the morning.

At least with Chong in jail all that drug parephenalia is off the streets. Oh wait, no it's not. I can walk down the block to the import store and buy the biggest, gnarliest skull bong you ever seen!

F* Ashcroft! F* the war on drugs! Free Chong!
 
2003-09-11 02:43:15 PM
 
2003-09-11 02:43:16 PM
Ashcroft was behind "Operation Pipedream". Basicly they raided .1% of every bon....errr waterpipe shops.

[b]FREE CHONG[/b]
 
2003-09-11 02:43:27 PM
It's funny how the gov't releases violent offenders early due to prison overcrowding yet somehow manages to continue sending people like this in over ridiculous, outdated, and unconstitutional (imo) laws.
 
2003-09-11 02:43:30 PM
JollyPirate
I would like to leave this country if Bush's admin gets re-elected.
If there is a hell, I wouldn't mind going there so I could see this farkers and beat them all senseless.
United Regime of America


Im with you Jolly Pirate.... Lets start a new country with liberty and justice for all! Not just those who work in the white house.....
 
2003-09-11 02:43:32 PM
mikemir: The way I understand it, the whole reason he got busted was because his company was shipping said bongs across state lines. Thus it became an interstate commerce issue, so the Justice Department got involved and ass-hattery ensued.
 
2003-09-11 02:43:40 PM
He's the adoptive father of Marcus Chong ("Tank" from "The Matrix") and Rae Dawn ("Commando")
 
2003-09-11 02:43:55 PM
HA HA

 
2003-09-11 02:44:07 PM
What's next:
-Manufacturers of Alligator clips.
-Makers of plant food & fertilizers.

In a country where they won't bring lawsuits against gun manufacturers for not checking the bonefides of distributors and retailers, - this happens?
 
2003-09-11 02:44:16 PM
There is something very surreal and creepy about the picture acompanying this article, but I can't quite put my finger on it...
 
2003-09-11 02:44:29 PM
Hahaha, this is funny. He'll meet up with the guy who said he loved little girls and took pictures, and they can complain about how it's totally unfair to be punished for having fun.
 
2003-09-11 02:44:39 PM
Are there states where bong sales are illegal?

Bongs are pretty available in head shops through NY state.

/Not that I would know, Mr. Ashcroft .. I've just heard rumors to such.
 
2003-09-11 02:44:45 PM
Remember kids, The War on Drugs = The War on Terrorism. If you do drugs, you're just as bad as Osama and we will find you, detain you for an indefinite amount of time withour possiblity of bail, sell your possessions, and fark you cat. Now is that worth it? Is it? Now back to Sponge Bob Ubermensch Yugen.

/God Bless the US of A!
 
2003-09-11 02:44:49 PM
Dave's not here, man.
 
2003-09-11 02:45:04 PM
Its only 9 months folks, good lord. Simmer down, man. Just register to and do the smart thing and get rid of Bushie.

If only for the fact that it would be funny that Bushie was a one-termer, just like his dad.
 
2003-09-11 02:45:12 PM
So, let me see if I have this straight:
weed = bad (i.e. ass-pounding prison)
corporate fraud = good (i.e. mansions, jets, handjobs from beautiful women)
um, ok....
 
2003-09-11 02:45:22 PM
This thread is filling up like the yellow smoke in my bong chamber.
 
2003-09-11 02:45:39 PM
There should be a march on the Federal Building! I'm serious
 
2003-09-11 02:45:43 PM
What do you expect from a guy who lost an election to a dead man.

/not voting bush in 04
 
2003-09-11 02:45:45 PM
JollyPirate, Right on! Bush and all of his cronies need to go, Chong is taking a fall for us to illustrate what this country is becoming. I won't forget it Chong!
 
2003-09-11 02:45:59 PM
Yes, our federal government has NOTHING BETTER TO DO. Why Tommy Chong is in trouble for this and yet I can go buy a bong, ahem, 'WATER PIPE' from a dozen different stores within 20 miles of my home is absolutely beyond me...
 
2003-09-11 02:46:11 PM
I have voted republican straight ticket since '92... John Ashcroft may very well be the reason that streak comes to an end next November.
 
2003-09-11 02:46:11 PM
Oh, and on a more personal note

I wouldn't worry too much about chong becoming someone's biatch - he'll probably be a farkin' hero for the time he's in. That said, prison is still no piece of cake. I'm sure I'll sleep better knowing that this dangerous criminal is off the streets. feh.
FREE CHONG!
(Someone should make up some tshirts - profits can go to his appeal fund)
 
2003-09-11 02:46:18 PM
Vote now! Vote often!
 
2003-09-11 02:46:20 PM

I got you, you filthy hippie degenerate!
 
2003-09-11 02:46:22 PM


Exhibit A: A pair of boobs.
 
Ant
2003-09-11 02:46:59 PM
So when's the crackdown on tinfoil, soda can, and toilet paper tube manufacturers set to take place? All three of those items can be used to do drugs.
 
2003-09-11 02:47:15 PM
Too slow on the Asscroft take there, revscat.
 
2003-09-11 02:47:17 PM
Basket ball Jones, I gotta Basketball Jones, I gotta Basketball Jones oh baby ooooooowooooooohoooooooooo !
 
2003-09-11 02:47:36 PM
This is BULLSHIAT! Vote Vote Vote these assholes out of office. Free Tommy Chong NOW!
 
2003-09-11 02:48:02 PM
...and the world is just a little bit safer now that the famous 65 year-old drug paraphernalia pusher is off the streets.
 
2003-09-11 02:48:08 PM
I just bought all this weed! But if I can't buy a bong to smoke it in... oh well, I guess I'll just throw it out.
 
2003-09-11 02:48:14 PM
If you're biatching and you didn't vote - shut up.
 
2003-09-11 02:48:22 PM
i'm beginning to truly hate this country, and yes, i'm trying to figure out ways to leave.

can i get the nba league pass in australia?
 
2003-09-11 02:49:13 PM
Nightsweat...

I can't vote... I'm Canadian eh?
 
2003-09-11 02:49:35 PM
Everyone's looking for answers on who's responsible for putting tommy chong away. Well let me assure you that THE SMOKING GUN will probably have some court documents in a couple of days.

FREE CHONG!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:49:37 PM
Who lost his election bid to a dead man?

Who put robes over the statues of liberty and justice?

Who would rather prosecute pot smokers than find terrorists?

Who sings about freedom, but takes it away from everyone else?

Who flew on private jets in the months up to 9/11, but said, speaking as the lead investigator of all investigations by the U.S., he doesn't have a clue why?

Who prohibited law enforcement from checking to see if the 9/11 terrorists had purchased guns, because he said it was their right under the Constitution, but wants to spy on your local church gathering?

Who would subvert a state's right by stopping terminally-ill Oregonians from choosing a death with dignity,
but still can't catch the Anthrax terrorist?

Who said he'd enforce the laws as they stood,
not enforce the laws in his fundamentalist, homophobic, racist little pea-brained head, thereby lying at his confirmation before Congress and the American people?

Please, let us introduce to you, John Ashcroft.
 
2003-09-11 02:49:40 PM
I prefer the term, "Water Pipe", thank you very much.
 
2003-09-11 02:49:50 PM
Raaaaatttfaaaarrrrts!!

Man, this farking sucks. I'm sooo glad that selling products that may or may not be used for drug use (a harmless drug's use) is a prison sentence, but major, major corporate fraud can be swept under the rug.

I should put down the bong and instead swindle the public out of millions. It'll be brilliant! BRILLIANT, I tell yoU!!
 
2003-09-11 02:50:01 PM
Only 9 months? Even one day in prison is enough to be surrounded by AIDS/herpes/HPV/etc.-infected prisoners/guards and repeatedly anally/orally raped until you cry for your mommy, in vain.
 
2003-09-11 02:50:03 PM
just because chong is busted, doesn't mean that violent and more drastic criminals get off free. The cops don't just arrest 1 person a day, they can still get the idiots sellings bongs on the internet AND the people trafficing cocaine up from Columbia. Chongs arrest and sentence doesn't make a farking difference, its the law in action.

he broke a law, and got the punishement. He can appeal. Enough said, who gives a fark. If you don't want anal-rape, DONT SELL BONGS.
 
2003-09-11 02:50:07 PM
Lets bring it to the man, The Justice departments email is : AskDOJ­[nospam-﹫-backwards]jodsu­*gov ... take no prisoners!
 
2003-09-11 02:50:08 PM
He broke the law.
You may not agree with the law but it's still the law.
Society cannot exhist without laws.
Yes, you are right if you say that we don't enforce all the laws on our books. Maybe we should, obviously we can't.
If you don't like the law, work to change the law.
You can start by writing to politicians. If they won't listen to you then you should run for office yourself. Start at the city/town level and work your way up to state rep and after that you are on to Congress.
Of course all that would require a little work.

And guess what, Ashcroft didn't write the law. Reno's AG office prosecuted more drug offenses in its first two years than Ashcroft's office. She also had time to blow up Waco, shoot Randy Weaver's family, and sent a federal SWAT team to Florida to round up a dangerous 9 year old Cuban boy.
Of course she had a lot of time on her hands, she didn't have 9/11 to deal with.
 
2003-09-11 02:50:12 PM
Holy shiat - GEAH and I actually agree on something - the world MUST be ending. No GEAH, there's nothing quite as stupid as the largely bi-partisan war on drugs.
 
2003-09-11 02:50:24 PM
If America were a real democracy then the oppinions of the politicians would reflect those of the majority, there is something wrong with your country when the majority is wrong. You do realize you have a totalitarian regime right? I'm not just speaking out of my ass here, I very much recommend and deem revolution as an absolute of necessity. You have a very large problem, and a simple solution; get your country back. I am serious, why not start today? no Joke, complain (but you know it's not enough,) make your voice heard again. How do you this? Mess around with the economic process, Boycott, find out where your politicians interrests are and then do not purchase those products, unfortunately for you americans and your president, it is oil, so stop buying gas until they listen.
 
2003-09-11 02:50:37 PM
No big deal, the Squirrel Master should be able to handle it.
 
2003-09-11 02:51:05 PM
Bong Museum

http://community.webshots.com/album/4987272xZtfFtssaQ
 
2003-09-11 02:51:34 PM
Yay! we caught Tommy Chong. All hail they Holy Drug War.

Can I have my civil rights back now Mr. Ashcroft?
 
2003-09-11 02:51:40 PM
From my understanding, a bong or a pipe technically is used for tobacco, which is how head shops get away with what they do. I can wave a bong in front of a cop and as long as I do not have any res or anything on me, I cannot be arrested. This is bullshiat at it's finest.
 
2003-09-11 02:51:45 PM
Kingsky That was exactly what I was thinking when I got to your post, and as soon as I saw "That's my b!tch Nasty Nate" I lost it. Unfortunately I am in a law school class right now, and the professor said "I am glad you enjoy this so much Mr. Loudmouthsoup."

Naughty jungle of love!

Isn't that right, fuzzy nuts?
 
2003-09-11 02:52:15 PM
Ant - just about what I was about to say, until I scrolled down to type it in and saw it.

they better go after 7-11, after all they sell them Dr. Pepper cans that are always good in a pinch.

Or apples?

FREE TOMMY, JAIL ASHCROFT
 
2003-09-11 02:52:29 PM
You know, ever since these bongs moved into my neighborhood, the crime rate has really increased. Kids don't feel safe going out at night. In fact, my car was vandalized by one of these bongs just the other day.

I don't know how you did it Mr. Ashcroft, but getting these bongs off the street was the best thing that ever happened to my town. Thank you so much!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:52:38 PM
Absolutly recockulous. Its not like he's selling pot or anything. Yes he was selling something that facilitates the smoking of marijuana, but there its not up to him how his clients use his product. Chances are the clients are going to smoke with or without his pipes...hell they're potheads, they'll probably make some mcgyveresque thing out of a pen, some gum, and an old shoe. Ok anyway, I'm off to smoke a bowl.
 
2003-09-11 02:53:01 PM
Let the brother go!

/runs out to purchase ZigZags before they are illegal too.
 
2003-09-11 02:53:14 PM
i voted green party because i likes to smoke the green....
/high right now
/kidding
 
2003-09-11 02:53:15 PM
The fourth horseman saddle up. WTF?

There's nothing more pressing the Feds could pursue thaan this?!!
 
2003-09-11 02:53:19 PM
In other news, the makers of soda cans and safety pins will be arraigned tomorrow for production of drug paraphernalia.
 
2003-09-11 02:53:26 PM
GEAH
In much the same way that Prohibition helped organized crime bank role all their other operations. All the more reason to close the door on their funding and create another source of sin tax revenue. Why lump the two together in this neocon bullshiat morality enforcement circlejerk?

According to their latest campaign, my friendly architect aquaintance who stops by on weekends is funneling the money I give him to terrorists. I thought he used it for video games. What a terrorist...
 
2003-09-11 02:53:40 PM
Actually, Ashcroft et al plan to prosecute Cheech and Chong if they make a movie promoting drug use!
 
2003-09-11 02:53:51 PM
He broke the law.
You may not agree with the law but it's still the law.
Society cannot exhist without laws.
Yes, you are right if you say that we don't enforce all the laws on our books. Maybe we should, obviously we can't.
If you don't like the law, work to change the law.
You can start by writing to politicians. If they won't listen to you then you should run for office yourself. Start at the city/town level and work your way up to state rep and after that you are on to Congress.
Of course all that would require a little work.



Lamest.post.ever.
 
2003-09-11 02:54:22 PM
This is retarded.
Since when is selling paraphernalia illegal?

Goddamn Yanks.
Who arrests Tommy Chong? Hell, Cheech should be arrested for that Don Johnson bullshiat. Leave Chong alone, man.

Are they gonna start busting head shops now?

I really want to go to Denny's or something and sit in the smoking section with a "tobacco use only" bong and start smoking tobacco out of it.

The staff would go crazy.

Someone needs to make "Free Chong" shirts a la "Free Winona."

Except this time it's not for a whiny, shoplifting bizznitch.
 
2003-09-11 02:54:31 PM
Just bought free-chong.org

no site there yet, but stay posted. Anyone interested in helping, go to my profile and get ahold of me.
 
2003-09-11 02:54:39 PM
Welcome to the American version of Taliban justice.
 
2003-09-11 02:54:40 PM
Burn in hell asscroft
 
2003-09-11 02:54:40 PM
well said, therealscrodd
 
2003-09-11 02:54:43 PM
I voted, and I have a problem with this.
So, to recap:
Osama bin Laden -- on the loose
Saddam Hussein -- not definitely dead
Tommy Chong -- going to prison.
Makes sense to me.
Oh, and Lando, I'm about halfway through The Pitch that Killed.
 
2003-09-11 02:54:45 PM
SeanJM,

You're right and wrong at the same time.

Right: our majority is squelched, see Drug Laws and Election Process.

Wrong: we have any recourse.
 
2003-09-11 02:54:47 PM
I can't believe that with all of the violent and white collar crime going on out ther...

Hey man, what were we talking about?
 
2003-09-11 02:54:51 PM
There has to be more to this story. It just does not make sense. Is it because he was selling over the net? It must have something to do with how the items were marketed, or maybe other items that were sold. I did not know selling a water pipe by itself was illegal.
 
2003-09-11 02:54:56 PM
I'm speechless, so I'll leave it at:
FREE TOMMY CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 02:55:02 PM
Yeah jberry, don't forget the blunts. Why is it that you can still sell papers? I mean really, who actually spends the time to roll their own cigarettes?
 
2003-09-11 02:55:28 PM
HolyoaK, some of us ARE working to change it. That doesn't mean that in the meantime we can't biatch about how stupid the law and the war on drugs is, or how idiotic it is to go after an old movie star selling farking bongs on the internet.
 
Ant
2003-09-11 02:55:54 PM
2003-09-11 02:52:15 PM peterrigid


Ant - just about what I was about to say, until I scrolled down to type it in and saw it.

they better go after 7-11, after all they sell them Dr. Pepper cans that are always good in a pinch.

Or apples?


Oooh, ooh... Spoons, lighters, syringes, straws, dollar bills, razor blades, mirrors, etc........ ad infinitum...
 
2003-09-11 02:56:06 PM
BurnDown99
"Lamest.post.ever."

I think your post wins that award.
 
2003-09-11 02:56:09 PM
Under what pretense were these busts made? It's possible I'm mistaken, but I was under the impression that the sale and distribution of pipes and bongs was legal so long as there was no inference to narcotic use. Or was that the problem here? Chong, etc. advertising them as marijuana delivery systems?
 
2003-09-11 02:56:10 PM
Just.. lame. Lame and stupid. Oh yeah, and expensive.

Pot is less harmful than alcohol. The only reason it ruins lives is because it is illegal.
 
2003-09-11 02:56:11 PM
Uh, scavenger, this has been a republican hot button for two decades and counting. Reagan is the one who coined the term "War on Drugs" and made stepping up sentencing a mandate. Bush I did his best to paint Dukakis as "soft on crime" and drugs were a part of that. Bush has not been as noisy on this issue but Ashcroft has.

Yes, non-violent drug users have been being jailed for years, but Reagan and Bush I did their very bestest to make it a national issue.
 
2003-09-11 02:56:17 PM
Yet the secret government agency responsible for Wesley Willis' death continues operating unhindered.
 
2003-09-11 02:56:18 PM
vaporlock
"Wrong: we have any recourse."

by what do you mean?
 
2003-09-11 02:56:35 PM

It's A Trap
 
2003-09-11 02:56:35 PM
Ashcroft may be a kook Attorney General, but you've gotta admit, he's a mighty fine crooner.

http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2002/02/25/ashcroft.sings.wbtv.med.html
 
2003-09-11 02:56:41 PM
What about the people that are allowed to use them for medical purposes?????
 
2003-09-11 02:57:45 PM
USA courts and the riaa suck ass
 
2003-09-11 02:57:59 PM
man i can't wait to say i smoked banana peels wrapped in toilet paper and lit wtih a paperclip and a light socket with TOMMY CHONG
 
2003-09-11 02:58:09 PM
albertadiver

That's no excuse. Canadians have the obligation to forge ID so they can vote against U.S. drug policies.

Oh all right, I'll give you a pass.
 
2003-09-11 02:59:16 PM
anyone who is justifying this with a "he broke the law, and a law is a law, and must be respected" needs to imagine for just a moment that the law may be totally unjust. furthermore, the people who promote certain law may have more to gain from it than its enforcement than the public it's meant to serve.

like the dea, a bloated, futile organization. with a huge employment roster and payroll.
 
2003-09-11 02:59:27 PM
Zedicus - They get busted by the DEA instead of local law enforcement officials.

Who needs state's rights?
 
2003-09-11 02:59:27 PM
i really hope he flees to canada. you know they wouldn't sell his countryman (chong is a cannuck) out for this stupid travesty of justice.
 
2003-09-11 02:59:35 PM
BOOOOO!!!!!
 
2003-09-11 02:59:58 PM
Check out freechong.net and show your support for him
 
2003-09-11 03:01:25 PM
smoke a bowl, eat a twinkie, take a nap.....no one gets hurt
 
2003-09-11 03:02:34 PM
therealscrodd writes: Who prohibited law enforcement from checking to see if the 9/11 terrorists had purchased guns, because he said it was their right under the Constitution

Eh? I haven't heard about this one. Got any links to news articles about it?
 
2003-09-11 03:02:35 PM
Sorry... I got baked and slept through most of this thread. Thanks God I live in Canada.

I think we should send in a crack commando team of dope-smoking, non-Iraq-fighting, socialized-medicine-benefitting, metric-measuring married gay Canadians to free Tommy Chong and BRING HIM HOME!
 
2003-09-11 03:03:02 PM
I'm gonna fire up a big fat bowl of the Dynamite when I get home. Just for you Tommy!

Fark Ashcroft. Fark Bush.
 
2003-09-11 03:03:03 PM
The old fart weighs in: FARK the DEA, FARK Ashcroft, and FARK GWB for good measure.
 
2003-09-11 03:03:18 PM
Bubbles - carpool?
 
2003-09-11 03:03:22 PM
Dear Justice department,

Your recent convitcion of Mr. Chong further illustrates the neo-con policys which are ripping our country apart. The current administration achieved power with catchy slogans, and is now force feeding America with lies. Well guess what, America is not as a big fat greedy right wing conservitive pig like Ashcroft, and in 9 short months, you will be ousted from office, and Bush, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft will be remembered as the worst administration this country has ever seen. I sincerely hope Ashcroft contracts Genital warts, and suffers every day for the rest of his life. God Bless America, Free Tommy Chong.

/my letter to the justice department
 
2003-09-11 03:03:43 PM
In other news, ABC news tried to smuggle uranium (deactivated) into the country as a test of our security and readiness. They succeeded with no trouble.

Good to know we're keeping the nation safe by locking up 65-yo hippies who just want to make some art, and smoke us up.
 
2003-09-11 03:03:51 PM
JoeMahoney

Problem as I see it is that Tommy was not breaking the law. There were loopholes which were commonly practiced and accepted (ie: signs saying "for tobacco only", police only charging if the bongs had resin or were used) which sheltered the businessman from prosecution.

Ashcroft randomly decided one day that he tired of the loopholes. Charges laid like lightnin'. Merch seized. Stores closed. In Chong's case we're talking about a large (taxpaying) business which had operated openly for many years.

"he was breaking the law" is a very very very simplistic way of looking at things. you work for the Attorney General's office?
 
2003-09-11 03:04:00 PM
Well I've been in lurker mode for almost 6 months now. This is enough to bring me out. What the fark is the deal with this asshat Asscraft anyways. Did the complete waste of money in the 'War Against Drugs' not teach these idiots nothing?

Why is it that the cigarette and alcohol industry can get away with the massive amounts of health issues and deaths their legal products cause? Why is it that Marijuana, one of the least dangerous of the 'mind-altering' substances, is still illegal almost 60 years after one stupid ass company called DuPont threw enough cash at our government to make them outlaw it?

The Marijuana growers and users in the LAND OF THE FREE need to have a PAC so we can start throwing our money at the government to change the laws. Though with this nazi administration in place, I don't think they could see past their narrow views enough to legalize Marijuana if a study came out saying it cured cancer.

FREE CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 03:04:04 PM
"Liberties are not given, they are taken."
- Aldous Huxley

These are exciting times and I can't wait for all this social injustice to boil over. We are all criminals now and born with it on us. The law was always meant to serve those that already have power.
 
2003-09-11 03:04:18 PM
How's that Bin Laden thing going? Nothin?!? Hmmm... We got Saddam, though, right? No??? Not even maybe??? Damn! What about Tommy Chong? That sumbiyatch has been having too good a' time lately... Let's slap him in the mouth so's that it looks like we're doin' sumthin' in here, boys...

/Bush
 
2003-09-11 03:04:55 PM
It is a joke that any resources were wasted putting him in prison.

It must be Fox New's fault!
 
2003-09-11 03:05:22 PM
I smoked a joint one time and it caused 9/11 to happen.

Sorry 'bout that.
 
2003-09-11 03:05:27 PM
GEAH
And your point? I didn't vote for that assmaster either...both parties are completely out of step with the opinions of most people in my age demographic. But with an entrenched two party farce what are we supposed to do? Especially since so many of my fellow Americans shrug, pull our apathy wooby's a little closer and go on ignoring elections and politics...oooh look, Survivor's on.

/"Go ahead throw away your vote on the third party candidate..."
 
2003-09-11 03:05:54 PM
This is pathetic. In a country where caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol course through the veins of over 75% of the population it is still illegal to partake of something of the earth. Stop the insanity. Stop the war on soft drugs.
 
2003-09-11 03:05:55 PM
"Chong gonged for selling bongs"

Wow, I actually found the MSN headline funnier than the Fark one, which I was a little long, unbalanced and therefore awkward.
 
2003-09-11 03:05:56 PM
 
2003-09-11 03:05:59 PM
This guy declared that any doctor who prescribed marijuana would be arrested, prosecuted, and stripped of their license.

And he's a dumbass for doing it. Suddenly Ashcroft's asinine overzealous prosecution of drug users is okay because Clinton did it?

Legalize it. Don't make it a partisan issue, because it's really not.
 
2003-09-11 03:06:18 PM
"Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison."
- Henry David Thoreau, On Civil Disaobedience
 
2003-09-11 03:06:57 PM
*tear*
 
2003-09-11 03:06:58 PM
Here in Hawaii there is a TV commercial running for a head shop in downtown Waikiki that features Tommy Chong promoting his Chong Glass Bongs. Big farking deal. Here's my plan, legalize marijuana but restrict it and tax it like alcohol. No more spending buttloads of money to put glass makers in prison, plus the government would have the taxes to do things important like firebombing Canada. I just haven't trusted those Canadians since Celine Dion.
 
2003-09-11 03:07:09 PM
Thank God the gub'ment is protecting me from pernicious weeds, like mari-ja-wana. The next crime will be popping the heads off dandelions.
 
2003-09-11 03:07:13 PM
Yeah, that's right, "Disaobedience". It's the correct spelling in.. um... Upper Wallachia. The extra "a" is for "anarchy".
 
2003-09-11 03:07:14 PM
This bullshiat!! The war on drugs is a farce and taking away money for fighting terrorism.
 
2003-09-11 03:08:03 PM
This is absurd. I don't smoke, and I don't want people smoking around me, but Iesus Kristos there's got to be more important things for Federal Authorities to do than jail someone for selling bongs.

This countries going to heck in a handbasket.
 
2003-09-11 03:08:21 PM
Give me a freaking break
What a bunch of BS

Next thing ya know, they'll outlaw cardboard tubes, aluminium foil and pins
 
2003-09-11 03:09:31 PM
VOTE LIBERTARIAN.
 
2003-09-11 03:09:50 PM
My point was to remind the lemmings who can only chant Bush/Ashcroft that they also need to chant Clinton/Reno.

Um....last I checked they were out of office. There's really nothing we can do about their drug laws/enforcement now.

Unless you have a time machine, in which case, give me a call.
 
2003-09-11 03:10:02 PM
jeebus -- like it's hard to buy a bong online. Gimme a break -- this country has some farked up priorities.
 
2003-09-11 03:10:14 PM
joemahoney
actually that really was the lamest post ever. If you are trying to say you have never broken any laws, I am sure I could point out at least a few you have broken....
 
2003-09-11 03:10:49 PM
Bill_Wick's_Friend writes
Problem as I see it is that Tommy was not breaking the law. There were loopholes which were commonly practiced and accepted (ie: signs saying "for tobacco only", police only charging if the bongs had resin or were used) which sheltered the businessman from prosecution.

Ashcroft randomly decided one day that he tired of the loopholes. Charges laid like lightnin'. Merch seized. Stores closed. In Chong's case we're talking about a large (taxpaying) business which had operated openly for many years.

"he was breaking the law" is a very very very simplistic way of looking at things. you work for the Attorney General's office?


Friend,
The problem Tommy faced, and he and his lawyer agreed based on his plea, was that the law was applied and enforced in his case.
That is a simple way of looking at things isn't it? Thanks for pointing that out.
 
2003-09-11 03:10:55 PM
Godfrey

Here you go:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-120701justice.story
 
2003-09-11 03:11:08 PM
i love my country.

but i HATE and FEAR my government.

the dude sold a tube made of glass. what people do with it ain't his fault.

i hope atty. asscroft gets farked in the ass with a live 200 megawatt power line.

FREE CHONG.
(i know one of you is making up t-shirts right now! send me one!)
 
2003-09-11 03:11:18 PM
GEAH
Good point. If Ashcroft scares you and Reno caused no pucker factor, you are a lemming. Sorry, just feeling really ineffectual and helpless to change the world I live in today. It's somewhat therapeutic to uselessly post on a discussion board and pretend it will change something. My righteous indignation is...ooohh look Simpsons is on...haha, Homer funny.
 
2003-09-11 03:11:42 PM
"The charges were filed as part of "Operation Pipe Dreams..."
Ok, I'm callin' you mofo's out. It's time to start calling it like it is; no more namby pamby cutesy names for your evil sh*t.
If anything call it "Operation Red Herring" cause that's all it is. Or better "Operation Ruin Some Innocent Person's Life to Draw Attention Away From Our Plundering The Treasury For Our Personal Wars for Personal Gains". (well maybe that's a little unwieldly).
 
2003-09-11 03:11:49 PM
i cant believe chong lost this case. if you can go to jail for having a bong, that mean you can go to jail for rolling paper?
 
2003-09-11 03:11:51 PM
And he was a shiathead too, GEAH.

What's your point?
 
2003-09-11 03:12:15 PM
This is EXTREMELY sad. Not because it was Tommy Chong or because it involved drugs. But because he didn't sell WEED, HASH, or any DRUG. He sold Pariphanalia!!!!! (sp?)
Based upon this logic, does that mean that the victims of John Allen Muhammad can sue Colt, the maker the "sniper rifle" used? Same principle. A product is sold, misused, and the MANUFACTURER can be sued?
Ashcroft GET REAL. I can guarantee you one thing, GW isn't getting my vote. Heil Bush!
 
2003-09-11 03:12:45 PM
This is enough to make me denounce my membership in the Republican party. Idiots.
 
2003-09-11 03:12:46 PM
I give it 10 to 15 years before cannabis is legal in the US. I give it 5 to 10 years before we blow ourselves up.
 
2003-09-11 03:12:49 PM
2003-09-11 03:10:14 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress


joemahoney
actually that really was the lamest post ever. If you are trying to say you have never broken any laws, I am sure I could point out at least a few you have broken....


I'm listening...
 
2003-09-11 03:12:58 PM
Ok thats it, someone find Ashcrofts email addy so we can fark it up the ass. Why did you fools vote for Bush, look what he is doing. Free eh? yea your going to be as free as Ashcroft wants you to be. Oh well, at least the backlash will bounce those losers from office...
 
2003-09-11 03:13:19 PM
you know ... whether you like it or not, it's farking ILLEGAL. period. say what you will about 'its just pot' or whatever; the fact remains that it's against the law. it might be stupid, but it's still AGAINST THE LAW. god. what the fark don't you stupid bastards understand about that?

break a law, get busted, get punished (sometimes). he clearly didn't hire johnny cochran. guess the bidness wasn't going too well.
 
2003-09-11 03:13:49 PM
Free Chong!!!
 
2003-09-11 03:13:50 PM
Please please please explain to me WHY, just WHY dammit that we can't legalize the damn drugs and just tax the fark out of them.

/repeat statement on Fark that has never been answered to my satisfaction

Cut the legs out from under organized crime, reduce national debt, etc. As to whether or not usage would go up -- depends on your family/friends. I think people take those values in with their mother's milk, anyway.

Seriously, Mr. Government. Build my roads. Field an army. Assist farmers. Provide electricity. But don't infringe on my country, bordered by my skin, and don't regulate trade over said border.

/injects heroin
/it's my life
/...hoooooooooooooooooooooooooome of the brave
 
2003-09-11 03:14:06 PM
HEY! fark YOU!

He broke the law.
You may not agree with the law but it's still the law.
Society cannot exhist without laws.
Yes, you are right if you say that we don't enforce all the laws on our books. Maybe we should, obviously we can't.
If you don't like the law, work to change the law.
You can start by writing to politicians. If they won't listen to you then you should run for office yourself. Start at the city/town level and work your way up to state rep and after that you are on to Congress.
Of course all that would require a little work.

And guess what, Ashcroft didn't write the law. Reno's AG office prosecuted more drug offenses in its first two years than Ashcroft's office. She also had time to blow up Waco, shoot Randy Weaver's family, and sent a federal SWAT team to Florida to round up a dangerous 9 year old Cuban boy.
Of course she had a lot of time on her hands, she didn't have 9/11 to deal with.


 
2003-09-11 03:14:31 PM
Why the heck are bongs illegal anyway?

I've never tried pot - never intend to, nor any other recreational drug (I am anti-drug), but geez! Can't bongs be used for tobacco, which is legal, or cloves or oregano, which are also legal to smoke? Why should a bong, which is an alternative form of a pipe, be illegal, when it's the substance which is smoked in that pipe which makes the smoking activity legal or illegal? I guess being presumed innocent before being proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is a thing of the past!

This outrages me and I'm a right-winger. I am sick of the current administration. Give us back Ronnie Raygun!
 
2003-09-11 03:14:43 PM
This makes me sick. Land of the free my farking ass. Let's put another completely harmless pot smoker in prison, thereby forcing yet another violent criminal out the door early. You got to love america.

FREE TOMMY CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 03:14:55 PM
fark the DEA.
fark drug laws.
FREE CHONG!
oh yeah, fark O.J. too, that murdering fark.
 
2003-09-11 03:15:20 PM
Anyone else find it extremely ironic that the people that want to eliminate cannabis from the face of the earth and burn anyone who dares to use it in any form, are the same conservative Christian types who believe that an infinitely perfect and wise God created everything in the world? And that upon creating all of this, 'God saw that it was good'? If I'm not mistaken, this would include cannabis.

To quote Bill Hicks, "It's like saying God made a MISTAKE."

I find this very ironic. Am I wrong?
 
2003-09-11 03:15:23 PM
My toke of choice is tobacco--not the cheap stuff but real primo plant. This is the stuff that doesn't make it into any kind of cigarette.

What stinks is that there are some tobaccos that have been essentially bred to be smoked in water pipes (like the traditional hookah). Under the law, event though I would only use them for tobacco, I would own "drug paraphenalia".
 
2003-09-11 03:15:31 PM
Im sure Ashcroft was directly responsible for Chong deliberately breaking a rather well-known and obvious law, in fact, I bet he made him do it just to personally see him go to jail. What is with all the Ashcroft hate? Chong broke the law. Chong goes to jail. What the fark does it have to do with Ashcroft?
 
2003-09-11 03:16:00 PM
aenemated

I agreed with your opinion up until "you know ..."

It is perfectly legal to sell bongs and pipes, as long as they're sold without the connotation that they're being used for any illegal narcotic and solely tobacco, which is how these places stay open. Get out into the world, and then speak.
 
2003-09-11 03:16:26 PM
Pot is a self defeating cause. Those most in favor of decriminalization or legalization are too laid back on their couch to go out and protest for it. They have the same problem as 'procrastinators rights' proponents.
 
2003-09-11 03:16:32 PM
So it looks as though Jerome Baker is next. Check out his website http://www.jeromebaker.com/ Too bad he made some fine glass.
 
2003-09-11 03:16:47 PM
2003-09-11 03:14:06 PM The_Hood
HEY! fark YOU!


I see the rocket scientists are now chiming in from the peanut gallery.
 
2003-09-11 03:16:57 PM
My problem with this is that my Justice Department has time to focus on small time ideological garbage like this, The_Hood. You're telling me there's nothing better to be doing? A cop can't be bothered to stop a bank robber because he's giving tickets to jaywalkers?

Reno sucked ass. Nobody liked her. There are no point to be scored by comparing the two.

Unless you're a jackass. Then by all means, continue.
 
2003-09-11 03:17:15 PM
All those kids who will remember that they couldn't buy a bong in high-school / college because of Ashcroft will be of voting age someday... When 1/10th of them hit the polls, the Repubs might notice a slight variance in their projections!

/gotta remember to vote...

At least they'll hate Republicans! ;)
 
2003-09-11 03:17:21 PM
joemahoney
1. Speeding. Everybody has done it, and I am sure that you are no exception. A speeding automobile can kill, weed cannot.

2. Tax evasion. Common, you know you didnt claim EVERY penny.

3. Child porn. Even if you wont admit it, you have looked at porn. Let me tell you, they were not all really 18.

/I rest my case your honor
 
2003-09-11 03:17:50 PM
Yeah, but terrorism money is more oil than pot.
 
2003-09-11 03:18:10 PM
The two reportedly have been writing a script for a movie.

That is worthy of its own sad tag.
 
2003-09-11 03:18:17 PM
FREE CHONG!!
 
2003-09-11 03:18:28 PM
fenester the ORSPLTDAAFOPTTFOPWFPG does have a certain ring to it.
 
2003-09-11 03:18:50 PM
joamahoney - Would you obey any law?
 
2003-09-11 03:18:51 PM
If anyone is still reading this thread, you all should go out and read "Reefer Madness" by Eric Schlosser. It's another 'the drug war is a massive failure for all these reasons' book, but his facts are great and the case is very strong. Makes you want to stand up and, I dunno, grow a weed plant.

Read it. Buy it. Buy 10 copies.
 
2003-09-11 03:18:55 PM
2003-09-11 02:48:08 PM DephexTwin


I just bought all this weed! But if I can't buy a bong to smoke it in... oh well, I guess I'll just throw it out.


whoawhoawhoawhoa! Just hold on! I'll be there shortly!
 
2003-09-11 03:18:56 PM
Asscraft can go fark himself. For some reason, I don't see how sending Chong to prison helps... ANYONE.

BTW: GEAH, why would they listen to you? They only focus on what Repubs do wrong.
I, on the other hand, can biatch about everyone. ;)
 
2003-09-11 03:20:26 PM
KimVette
Can't bongs be used for tobacco, which is legal, or cloves or oregano, which are also legal to smoke?

Of course they can. It's an absurd logic. By the same logic, 20 oz plastic bottles should be illegal. Me and my friends used em to smoke out of all the time.
 
2003-09-11 03:20:43 PM
RingToll
Bullshiat stereotype. The problem is that the vast majority of us intelligent, educated, working, tax paying smokers have far too much to lose to attach our names to the cause. Especially when the stereotypical types that you mention are all the rest of you can imagine when you think "potsmoker". That's essentially the same as basing alcohol prohibition on the homeless man lying in the gutter with a huge bottle of gin in his hand...I'm sure returning to the days of Constitutionally mandated alcohol prohibition would suit you just fine??
 
2003-09-11 03:21:08 PM
You know, its a "waterpipe" it can be and probably has been used for tobacco. At the opposite end, the tire iron in my car can be used to cave Ashcrofts skull in. Will they outlaw tire irons next? Oh wait no weapons are legal. Those little plastic bears full of honey are next on the outlaw list. Technically you can smoke weed out of those as well... If you like and enjoy and defend the Ashcroft, seriosly consider killing yourself and those you have influenced. Thanks...
 
2003-09-11 03:21:10 PM
are they going to bust Ziplock for making the baggies? Bic? Joker rolling papers?
 
2003-09-11 03:21:13 PM
2003-09-11 03:16:00 PM Astetiks
aenemated

I agreed with your opinion up until "you know ..."

It is perfectly legal to sell bongs and pipes, as long as they're sold without the connotation that they're being used for any illegal narcotic and solely tobacco, which is how these places stay open. Get out into the world, and then speak.

Astetiks,
I get it, he didn't want his products to be used for pot. Why would anyone think that Tommy Chong was selling items that could be used with pot?
 
2003-09-11 03:21:33 PM
The funniest thing here is that you (read: some of you) cry out against that but at the same time rabidly support other sides of the same coin. It's not just "Ashcroft"- it's the whole Bush administration and its mindset. How can you complain about them imprisoning Tommy Chong for being cool and yet support bullshiat wars fought for fun and the profit of a few wealthy corporations, the same system that keeps pot illegal?
 
2003-09-11 03:21:35 PM
Can we please repeal this country's asinine marijuana laws?

I don't even smoke it (can't stand the stuff), but it's insane that it is criminalized to the degree that it is.

Plus, the government could make a couple billion a year in taxes if they legalized the stuff and imposed a tariff. Then they could order a couple thousand new stealth hovertanks and we wouldn't have to pay for them.

Please, people, do it for the hovertanks!
 
2003-09-11 03:22:22 PM
mikemir (if you're still reading)- For quite a long time head shops were being deliberately overlooked by law enforcement. In an article posted on Fark a few months ago, Ashcroft announced that they would no longer be letting this slide, and he would do everything in his power to enforce these laws.
 
2003-09-11 03:22:25 PM
I feel much safer now that this dangerous criminal is off the streets!
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:23:26 PM
...are the same conservative Christian types who believe that an infinitely perfect and wise God created everything in the world? And that upon creating all of this, 'God saw that it was good'? If I'm not mistaken, this would include cannabis.

God did not create that foul weed known as cannabis! That was Satan's doing!
 
2003-09-11 03:23:31 PM
I forgot to add: BOOOOOOO!
 
2003-09-11 03:24:05 PM
Color me stupid but didn't he know it was illegal to sell drug gear?
He never hired a lawyer to discuss his companies products and their possible legal implications? Maybe it's just me..
 
2003-09-11 03:24:18 PM
I think it's instructive to know that darlings of the left, Clinton/Reno, were just as outrageous on this issue as enemies of the left, Bush/Ashcroft.
Don't you?


Yes, I definitely think it's instructive. It's just not applicable or important to this thread. Well, I guess it's applicable if someone is accusing only the right of these injustices.

But I wouldn't come into a thread about this case and say "farking Reno, that whore. She's oppressing Tommy Chong blahblahblah" because she's not a part of this case, and neither is Clinton.
 
2003-09-11 03:24:26 PM
2003-09-11 03:18:50 PM Scrotar
joamahoney - Would you obey any law?


You're setting your trap I see...
To answer your question, No. I would however be ready to face the penalty if I did break the law.
 
2003-09-11 03:24:47 PM
Thought they were "tobacco water-pipes".
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:24:59 PM
Chong needs a better lawyer!
 
2003-09-11 03:25:09 PM
Goddammit! FREE CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 03:25:41 PM
Revscat - great pic, but that statue has been covered, uh, draped. So as not to be nekked no more. Go Asscroft.

FREE TOMMY!!
 
2003-09-11 03:25:46 PM
joemahoney,

So you're cool with the idea of the law being unequally applied based upon the whims of your police/federal govt?

In a very large way, that is why Canada is changing its policies regarding marijuana. Smokers in Newfoundland were risking jail time while smokers in BC were risking nothing due to selective enforcement of federal laws. Everyone here thinks that selective enforcement is assinine and they're reworking the laws so that everyone is equal under the eyes of the law and penalties are not harsher or weaker for the same charges based upon the juristiction.

Your nation seems to be slipping further away from the realm of equal protection under the law for all. That applies to your drug laws, your PATRIOT Act, your racial profiling etc etc etc.
 
2003-09-11 03:26:01 PM
Thank You John Ashcroft for helping to keep my neighborhood safe from dangerous felons like Tommy Chong.

What the hell is wrong with this picture?
 
2003-09-11 03:26:26 PM
wheatweasel

IXNAY on the Unneybearhay!!!

*grumble**grumble*
 
2003-09-11 03:26:47 PM
joemahoney

I am waiting for your retort sir.
 
2003-09-11 03:28:31 PM
Here's another odd thing (if anyone's still reading at this point):

Kazaa and Morpheus effectively evaded prosecution for copyright infringement because their programs were not EXCLUSIVELY for trading copyrighted material and their licensing agreement said "you agree that you will not use this for illegal purposes." Regardless of the fact that nobody uses Kazaa for trading stuff that's in the public domain, their defense was accepted because their software is not solely for illegal purposes.

You can smoke tobacco out of a water pipe. I know people who do. You can also smoke catnip, chamomile, or shisha (arab flavored tobacco, tasty) out of 'em. So why is Chong convicted, given the precedent in the Kazaa case?
 
2003-09-11 03:28:49 PM
Too bad Chong didn't include a free sample of (safely contained, of course) anthrax with each bong. Or, hell, sell the anthrax and give away the bong with each purchase! Do you think Ashcroft would have gone anywhere near this case if that was so?

O
 
2003-09-11 03:29:17 PM
joemahoney

Once somebody purchases a bong or whatever, it's up to them what they use for it. It does not matter who sells it, as long as it's being sold under the connotation that it's for tobacco. Go into a headshop one time. You'll not see anything about pot. There will be nobody talking about pot. If you mention pot, you'll most likely be asked to leave, depending where you go. Your argument is to just fark the same laws that are keeping marijuana illegal and to shut down these places which are working under a legal pretense.
 
2003-09-11 03:30:06 PM
RingToll
Pot is a self defeating cause. Those most in favor of decriminalization or legalization are too laid back on their couch to go out and protest for it. They have the same problem as 'procrastinators rights' proponents.

I beg to differ. I have been going to the Washington, DC "Smoke In" for 12 years in a row. I can assure you that there are LOTS of people out there protesting. Maybe next 4th of July you can get off of your couch and come join us?
 
2003-09-11 03:30:07 PM
a little more info about the raids

I had no idea drug paraphernalia was illegal, crazy.
Nine months in a federal prison seems harsh, as I believe they have no time off measures or parole. You would think even in light of TC breaking a minor law they would have settled for fines and not jail. I voted for Bush but this Ashcroft really has to go.
 
2003-09-11 03:30:19 PM
2003-09-11 03:17:21 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress


joemahoney
1. Speeding. Everybody has done it, and I am sure that you are no exception. A speeding automobile can kill, weed cannot.

2. Tax evasion. Common, you know you didnt claim EVERY penny.

3. Child porn. Even if you wont admit it, you have looked at porn. Let me tell you, they were not all really 18.

/I rest my case your honor


#1 Going 10 - 15 miles over the speed limit is not a jailable offense. If I did it over and over again, and drove without a license I might bet put in the clink. But at that point it's about reckless disragard, not speeding.

#2 Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

#3 Ya got me on that one chief. I actually saw a Traci Lords video in college. A year later. she let everyone know she was illegal. Of course, I wasn't breaking the law at the time.

game-set-match
 
2003-09-11 03:30:29 PM
john ashcroft is no good, but the real person to blame is the legislators who allow this phony law to be on the books
 
2003-09-11 03:30:34 PM
Oh sure, but the zig zag man is still at large.

a vote for me is a vote to bust the zig zag man instead.
 
2003-09-11 03:30:42 PM
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that the Drug War is a crime against every man, woman, and child in this country -- not to mention the death and destruction it brings to Central America by the hand of our government and its puppets.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize when the hype (pot is bad, it's addictive, it's a gateway, it supports terrorists, it makes you dumb, it kills braincells, it's laced with who knows what, it makes you a loser...) and the reality (it's benign, you cannot OD on it, it's not addictive, it's not a gateway) don't match.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the people telling the lies have so much to gain from the Drug War (law enforcement/military budgets, chemical substitutes to a natural substance, the US Timber industry, the US prison industry) and so much to lose from simply decriminalizing -- not even legalizing -- marijuana.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that civil disobedience in this country is older than the Constitution, that our current federal drug laws are actually unconstitutional, and that our government's blind refusal to change is not stupidity on its part, but downright dishonesty. They know they're wrong, yet they continue to lie.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out that using industrial hemp instead of wood pulp for making paper and cardboard would be huge environmental win. Using hemp seed oil instead of hydrogenated corn oil (and others) would be healthier and more environmentally friendly in food products. Using hemp instead of cotton for cloth manufacturing would reduce (hell, virtually eliminate) pesiticide runnoffs while lowering clothing costs and creating US jobs (less cost on materials means more profit for US mills).

No, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know this and more. Apparently you have to be and asshat from Iowa to follow the paternal message being shoved down our throats by a government owned by corporations and bent on denying true freedom from the people.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:08 PM
http://www.cjpf.org/nytpara.html

sorry my html skills suck
 
2003-09-11 03:31:17 PM
joemahoney - Heh.

I do agree that civil disobedience loses something if the disobedient whine when they're caught.

On the other hand, I believe that whining is a good indication that something is not right. It's hard for me to reconcile these beliefs, sometimes.

Not here, though. Pot is simply not harmful enough to justify the lengths to which the government goes to discourage its use. It smacks of the Inner Party's mantra, "power for the sake of power". The fact that the government openly defies the will of the people in this regard (see California's medicinal growers,) galvanizes my belief that the war on drugs is not only futile, but evil.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:43 PM
Anyone else find it extremely ironic that the people that want to eliminate cannabis from the face of the earth and burn anyone who dares to use it in any form, are the same conservative Christian types who believe that an infinitely perfect and wise God created everything in the world?

Don't be too quick to whip out your... paintbrush. Up in Alaska (about as conservative and Christian as state as you'll find. Almost as many Baptist churches as liquor stores), we did have a ballot measure that would have leagalized it. It almost passed, too. It probably would have, if the measure hadn't included the use of taxpayer money to reinburse anyone who had previously been busted for pot possession. They got greedy, and that killed it. We'll vote to legalize, but taking my money to pay off someone who got caught breaking the law is not the way to comvince people to vote for your issue.

Alaska. Land of individual liberty.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:47 PM
I am disgusted. I write for a magazine ( www.shortbusmag.com) and we interviewed Tommy a few months ago: what a nice, unpretentious guy. Tommy Chong is an old stoner, not a dangerous felon.

Plus, even though I don't smoke anymore, I really appreciated his beautiful hand blown art bongs. At least his son (who really runs the biz, as I understand it) isn't going to the slam. Yet.

Time to cash in on the "free Tommy Chong" t-shirt craze.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:51 PM
You know, I used to be blind, and think that the Republicans really cared about the country, making government smaller and the like.

Then, I began to see the truth behind the lies, and the carefully backdropped press conferences. Our government sucks. IF the DNC wants to be back in office, they need to open there minds, and see what is happening, then come out with both barrels blazing come election time.

Hit the loss of our freedoms, the invasion of our privacy under Bush and the arrest of Tommy Farking Chong? as ways our government is oppressing us.

I wonder if Bush can feel the minutes he is in office slipping away????
 
2003-09-11 03:31:58 PM
the real person to blame is Tommy Chong fro breaking the law.
Dont do the crime if you can't do the time
 
2003-09-11 03:32:09 PM
We need FREE CHONG! bumperstickers NOW. Right now. As in, immediate-like.
 
2003-09-11 03:32:20 PM
a FOAFOAF smoked out of a 3 footer. has his face embedded in the glass.

so i hear from my friend of a friend of a friend.
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:33:10 PM
2003-09-11 03:30:29 PM paradoxflux


john ashcroft is no good, but the real person to blame is the legislators who allow this phony law to be on the books


I think the people who should get most of the blame are the reactionary morons who think that pot is any worse for you than alcohol or any other legal substance.
 
2003-09-11 03:33:32 PM
If a man goes to jail because he sold something that could be used to smoke pot, then when will we send people to jail for selling bullets that could be used to kill people?
 
2003-09-11 03:33:34 PM
gnosis79 - because Dr. Bong is in the UK?
 
2003-09-11 03:34:15 PM
2003-09-11 03:29:17 PM Astetiks
joemahoney
Once somebody purchases a bong or whatever, it's up to them what they use for it. It does not matter who sells it, as long as it's being sold under the connotation that it's for tobacco. Go into a headshop one time. You'll not see anything about pot. There will be nobody talking about pot. If you mention pot, you'll most likely be asked to leave, depending where you go. Your argument is to just fark the same laws that are keeping marijuana illegal and to shut down these places which are working under a legal pretense.


__
My argument is that he broke laws that are on the books.
He entered a plea instead of fighting the charge.
If you don't like the law, work to change it.
 
2003-09-11 03:34:20 PM
This is the travesty. Que Squirrel Master jokes... ("Nooo Nasty Nate!!!")
 
2003-09-11 03:34:51 PM
WANTED
FOR DRUG CRIMES
CRIMES AGAINST THE STATE
THOUGHT CRIME


If you see this man, call your local law enforcement or the FBI. Do not attempt to aprehend him yourself as he is considered dangerous.
 
2003-09-11 03:35:56 PM
Wow, impressive, almost total agreement on this issue amongst Farkers.

Please, please, please, please vote for whoever runs against Bush and his Nazi minions in the next election. Dean, Kerry, hell even Sharpton. We gotta get these farkers outta there.

GEAH, wow this is like the third issue we've agreed on. Amazing.

And to everyone else wondering about why he posted a picture of Clinton (I voted for him in '96, btw), convictions for marijuana possession doubled under Clinton/Reno.
 
2003-09-11 03:36:09 PM
Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

it's not about the money you make,

if you bought something over the internet and it was shipped from another state you are supposed to pay sales tax in the state into which it was shipped for example.
 
2003-09-11 03:36:32 PM
listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already
 
2003-09-11 03:36:36 PM
You folks saying "It's illegal, you break the law, you go to jail" must be very naive. I don't mean to bait you (honestly), but our legal system just doesn't work that way.
I always knew that, but after working a trial (intellectual property not criminal) last year, I can tell you it's all a big game of politics.

/false objectivity
 
2003-09-11 03:36:40 PM
Arrested for drug paraphrehenrialia?!?!? Doctors can give out syringes, which can be used for heroin. And what about the spoon factories, Bic, reynolds aluminum foil, etc, etc.
 
2003-09-11 03:37:02 PM
Remember Up in Smoke:

"I'm sending you off to Military School with that goddamn Finkelstein shiat kid, sonofabiatch!"



Sing it:
"Mexican Americans, they like education, so they go to night school, take spanish, and get a B..."
 
2003-09-11 03:37:26 PM
joemahoney


#1 Going 10 - 15 miles over the speed limit is not a jailable offense. Ahhh, but what if Ashcroft decided it was? If I did it over and over again, and drove without a license I might bet put in the clink. But at that point it's about reckless disragard, not speeding.

#2 Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

#3 Ya got me on that one chief. I actually saw a Traci Lords video in college. A year later. she let everyone know she was illegal. Of course, I wasn't breaking the law at the time.

game-set-match.


Thank you, Yes you could be jailed under certain laws for admitting that you viewed Traci Lords when she was not of leagal age. So there you go, perhaps after bunking up with Chong you might realize that niether of you belonged in a Federal prison....
 
2003-09-11 03:37:31 PM
mightybjorn wrote,

"...You can also smoke catnip, chamomile, or shisha (arab flavored tobacco, tasty) out of 'em..."

Where do you buy arab-flavored tobacco?
It really does not sound tasty at all.
 
2003-09-11 03:37:35 PM
I love reading all the posts in this thread that say this is GW's fault or welcome to Ashcroft's America etc. The drug laws have been on the books for quite some time now. And the law that Chong was charged and found guilty under was not a law that was recently passed.

GW bashing and Ashcroft bashing can be fun, when appropriate. But to insert it into every thread and discussion is getting old. Enough already. Your posts aren't even clever or funny, they're mundane at best.

Fark is a release for a lot of us. We get to say things and take stands that we ordinarily wouldn't take or wouldn't have the balls to take publicly. I hope those that always insert the "It's Bush's fault", "It's Ashcrosft's Fault" argument do a better job bascking your arguments up in the real world where it matters. Or maybe you don't have the balls.
 
2003-09-11 03:37:50 PM
The sick thing is, is that I bet at least _someone_ who was involved in this total farking joke of a "sting operation" watched some Cheech and Chong movies in their life and got a kick out of it, and then they go and arrest the guy.

And for any of this "law is the law" BS that someone might want to propgate. Speeding is against the law, let's just focus all of our resources on catching speeders, eh? It's about what we spend our money over and over doing while other things go neglected. The point being that someone spent a large amount of money to arrested TOMMY CHONG. Yeah that Tommy Chong. WTF good is this going to do anyone? Anyone?... Beuller? If whoever thinks they just made the world a better place because they busted Tommy Chong, then I have no respect for them.
 
xam
2003-09-11 03:37:50 PM
FREE TOMMY CHONG
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:38:05 PM
IF the DNC wants to be back in office, they need to open there minds, and see what is happening, then come out with both barrels blazing come election time.

Hit the loss of our freedoms, the invasion of our privacy under Bush and the arrest of Tommy Farking Chong? as ways our government is oppressing us.


yeah, but they're to busy creating their own version of the exact same problems.
 
2003-09-11 03:38:32 PM
The US "war on drugs" exists to create a neverending bull market for the international drug trade. All the rest is a red herring.

There it all makes sense now.

How else could this occur: Create an endless supply of untraceable, untaxed money (a worldwide shadow economy), keep 1 in 4 minorities in some phase of legal trouble, and deprive drug felons (overwhelmingly minority despite equal drug usage per capita) of their voting rights and financial aid. Also create a monopoly for the pharmaceutical industry by outlawing their competition, and create an enormous police/prison system (and it's attendant budgets) with entire federal agencies committed to it. As an added bonus, you get to shoot down the occasional plane on suspicion, and spray competing crops/communities with poison.
 
2003-09-11 03:38:36 PM
2003-09-11 03:31:17 PM Scrotar


joemahoney - Heh.

I do agree that civil disobedience loses something if the disobedient whine when they're caught.

On the other hand, I believe that whining is a good indication that something is not right. It's hard for me to reconcile these beliefs, sometimes.

Not here, though. Pot is simply not harmful enough to justify the lengths to which the government goes to discourage its use. It smacks of the Inner Party's mantra, "power for the sake of power". The fact that the government openly defies the will of the people in this regard (see California's medicinal growers,) galvanizes my belief that the war on drugs is not only futile, but evil.


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Then chnage the law. The time you folks spend on the Internet could be used to start your campaign.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:10 PM
snakeyes:

i'm w/ you on that one. i got an email the other day from NORML (but i can't seem to find the article on their page, so it may have only been in email form) and it talked about how one of the recall candidates in california figured out that he could generate 1.5 - 2.5 billion (that's right, billion) in revenue for the state.

AND

that did not even take into account other revenue that would be generated from increased tourism and other spin off industries.

things like this just waste tax payer dollars. whether you're for pot or against it, it's up to each individual to choose if they want to smoke it - not the gov't. it's my right to choose to drink or not drink, and the side effects of drinking are way worse then those of pot.

and if nothing else, at least go out and get the facts straight for yourself instead of believing all the gov't propeganda. stop being a bunch of sheep!
 
2003-09-11 03:39:12 PM
joemahoney

Dunno specifics about the law in USA, but here in Canada just by admitting in your post that you watched the Traci Lords video you are admitting to a serious crime. No kidding. Really.

If the cops break down your door and charge you with child pornography/pandering/possession of lewd materials/whatever is your "well I broke the law and I guess I'll do the time" mantra going to stick in your throat?

D'ya see my point? not black. not white. shades of grey.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:27 PM
We'll vote to legalize..
It won't matter, the Feds will shut you down in no time flat. If the South had not been so economically reliant on the peculiar institution, the Civl War might have been fought only because the Federal government was becoming a bloated Constitution ignoring beuaracracy...but now we live in a land where EVERYTHING is interstate commerce and national defense. Fehhhhhhhhh.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:36 PM
I don't smoke dope, never have tried it, never will. Yet, I find this absolutely ridiculous.

What kind of resources has the government wasted on this fiasco?

Makes me want to go get an official Oregon medical marijuana card just to protest this waste of taxpayer dollars.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:43 PM
oh and the whole they'd make money in taxes thing doesn't work these days.

Money in taxes is useful for the government as a whole but doesn't do much for individual members of that government (reference deficit for evidence of this in practice). However massive campaign contributions from grateful industries do members of government a lot of good.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:48 PM
holy shiatballs! i wouldnt have even read the article if i didnt read the stupidly written headline more closely.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:49 PM
p.s. FREE CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 03:40:16 PM
listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already


At one time in this country it was illegal for women to vote or seek public office.

It was illegal for a black person to own property (or vote, or do ... anything).

At another time it was illegal to brew, sell, or consume alcoholic beverages.

At another time you could purchase cocaine over the counter.

It was also once illegal for 18, 19, and 20 year olds to vote.

Once, there was no law prohibiting Bill Clinton from seeking a 3rd (or 4th or 5th) term as President.

Laws come and go. The truth is always the truth. Our drug laws are immoral and wrong and should be changed.
 
2003-09-11 03:40:45 PM
mightybjorn wrote, "...You can also smoke catnip, chamomile, or shisha (arab flavored tobacco, tasty) out of 'em..."


How do you know that it's really arab flavored? Do you know what arabs taste like? They could be ripping you off.
 
2003-09-11 03:41:10 PM
If only the asshat would have choked a little harder on that peanut.
 
2003-09-11 03:41:14 PM
TOMACCO!! TOMACCO!!
*snort*
 
2003-09-11 03:41:46 PM
More Alaska pot info.

On June 25th an Alaskan Superior Court judge (Richard Savell of Fairbanks) dismissed a man's marijuana conviction, saying that the AK constitution allows pot possession for personal use. There is currently a conflict between constitutional court decisions and statutory prohibition (a ballot measure in 1990 made possession illegal), but we're working on it.

Yay Alaska! Yay frontier mentality and cowboy individualism!
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:41:48 PM
2003-09-11 03:36:32 PM Loose_Stool


listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already


Read the farking article already! He didn't get busted for smoking pot you dolt. He was busted for selling a product that could possibly be used to smoke pot.
 
2003-09-11 03:42:11 PM
/goes back 100 years

Women voting is illegal. If women try to vote they go to jail, simple as that.

Just because something is against the law don't make it right. My only (faint) hope is that this will make people angry enough to actually do something about this.

There has been some dialog about marijuana laws lately at least. For a while there it was taboo for major media organizations to even bring it up. There was a full page ad in the local paper this week discussing a state initiative to make simple possession prosecution the lowest priority. There also was an hour long show about the history of marijuana laws in the country on History Channel recently.

I've always contended that if we get the subject out in the open and discuss it, the laws really wouldn't last that long.
 
2003-09-11 03:42:11 PM
biggyfred


And he was a shiathead too, GEAH.

What's your point?


GEAH's point was that the 100+ posts blaming Ashcroft/Bush are stupid. They are politicians doing what politician's do. Make noise and smoke about an issue that the kind of Americans who vote care about. Ever hear of a politician who was AGAINST the war on drugs (OK an electable politician) nope? whys that? After all Clinton tried dope and Bush sniffed a few lines so how could they be that much against drugs? Simple. Saying you won't fight drugs would be nearly as politically deadly as saying you wouldn't arrest child molesters.
 
2003-09-11 03:42:22 PM
Re:The_Hood 2003-09-11 03:40:16 PM :

Farkin' a bubba!
 
2003-09-11 03:42:24 PM
Is pepsi gonna get sued? In a pinch ill always use a can of pepsi and a small screwdriver to smoke out
 
2003-09-11 03:42:35 PM
yeah, but it's not illegal to eat poisonous mushrooms. so why is it illegal to smoke marijuana?
 
2003-09-11 03:42:52 PM
WarNPeace
Thanks for the laugh! "Man, that dude told me this was arab flavored tabacco, but when I got it home and smoked it, it turned out to be that nasty persian flavored schwag."
 
2003-09-11 03:43:14 PM
2003-09-11 03:37:26 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress


joemahoney


#1 Going 10 - 15 miles over the speed limit is not a jailable offense. Ahhh, but what if Ashcroft decided it was? If I did it over and over again, and drove without a license I might bet put in the clink. But at that point it's about reckless disragard, not speeding.

#2 Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

#3 Ya got me on that one chief. I actually saw a Traci Lords video in college. A year later. she let everyone know she was illegal. Of course, I wasn't breaking the law at the time.

game-set-match.

Thank you, Yes you could be jailed under certain laws for admitting that you viewed Traci Lords when she was not of leagal age. So there you go, perhaps after bunking up with Chong you might realize that niether of you belonged in a Federal prison....


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Sorry dude, Ashcroft doesn't get to decide to jail me for speeding. You might want to do some research on how laws become laws. Plus speeding isn't a federal offense, even on the Interstate.
And it wasn't illegal to view Traci videos before it was revealed that she was underage. It is illegal to possess them now.
 
2003-09-11 03:43:31 PM
A link to a copy of his site.
 
2003-09-11 03:43:34 PM

As for why it's illegal to sell unused bongs without declaring how they're to be used: Note he didn't plead guilty to selling paraphernalia. He pleaded guilty to *conspiracy* to sell said....

Conspiring is the most dangerous crime facing our nation. Nearly every crime begins with conspiracy. Dirty lousy conspirators everywhere... Gotta nip that in the bud. Pre-emptive prosecution is the only answer...

 
2003-09-11 03:43:48 PM
I hope this shiat gets ppl out there to vote!

See what happens when you get complacent.
 
2003-09-11 03:44:44 PM
Hey man, they're not, like, bongs. They're like, um, tampons.

 
2003-09-11 03:45:13 PM
"2003-09-11 03:36:32 PM Loose_Stool

listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already"

Yeah- God forbid we break any laws like the people who founded this country because they couldn't take the oppresive laws they were ordered to follow.

All there is to it? Must be nice to live in so much fear your brainwashed into buying everything your fed. Not to American to keep from having your own ideas, but then again you seem cool with whatever "New America" tells you to believe. Try hooking up with some courage, study what's really going on in the world, and formulate some original thought.

Or don't, none of my business really. Just thought you may take some accountability for yourself.

Laws have been changed and fixed since the dawn of civilization. At one point alchohol was illegal, producing crime and danger. That was changed. Things have to change. That's all there is to it.

Grow up already.
 
2003-09-11 03:45:26 PM
on a separate note these threads inevitably contain Fark's two most ridiculous arguments:

1) You knew you were breaking the law so you shouldn't have done it (assumes one hundred percent correlation of natural and positive law, belies miserable failure to consider historical events, demonstrates total inability to consider the specific from a general principle).

2) Why are you talking about this on the internet when you could start a campaign (assumes one precludes the other, you have no right to complain unless you are actively involved in change, that large scale public voicing of opinion in media such as the internet is not in and of itself an agent of change)
 
2003-09-11 03:45:27 PM
In college we made one-hitters and bongs out of the following:

Bic pens
Coke (any soda) cans
Plastic water bottles
2-litre soda bottles

You can make anything become "paraphenalia" if you use your imagination.
 
2003-09-11 03:45:34 PM
fatassbastard

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but women voters? Welcome to planet Mars. I'll be over in my spaceship.

 
2003-09-11 03:46:18 PM
"too American," not to American... My bad.
 
2003-09-11 03:46:27 PM
Of course!! No bongs = no drug abuse

While we're at it, we better make Coke and Pepsi put "For beverage consumption only" disclaimers on all their cans.

Bullhonky!!
 
2003-09-11 03:47:24 PM
bubbles_nw2003 Any Candians or Europeans looking to marry a nice American girl?? If Bush wins next time, I'm leaving.. this is ridiculous.

Hell yeah! I live in Holland, no problems getting hold of the herb here, the nearest "coffeeshop" is a 5 minute walk.
 
2003-09-11 03:47:45 PM
let's arrest lifeguards and EMTs

i've seen people use the one-way valves for the masks on for other things
 
2003-09-11 03:47:48 PM
Pollexabator:

heh my pleasure... So many smart ass remarks, so little time =)
 
2003-09-11 03:47:55 PM
You play, you pay. He knew he was selling his product for illegal drug use and now he must face the consequences of his actions.

Get over it and move on.
 
2003-09-11 03:48:05 PM
OK Hood (and everone else) other than posting to talk-backs what are you doing to reverse the drug laws?
Attending law school are you?
Planning to run for office?
Vote for a pro-drug candidate?
Moving somewhere where pot is legal?
No i didn't think so. the reason these laws are still around is because the stoner community can't seem to get its act together to do anything about it.
Most people (i know there will be exceptions) grow out of the smoking pot phase of their lives and realize it isn't a cause worth fighting for.
 
2003-09-11 03:48:25 PM
joemahoney if you think that selling a waterpipe that could be used to smoke weed, cloves, tobacco, any number of legal domestic/imported herbs, is a jailable offense, in a federal prison no less, then I'm sure you also agree selling rolling papers, and lighters is as well. I mean they only have illegal uses. And your TIVO you use to record all the brain dead tv shows that make your 83 IQ brain laugh, that is only used to make ILLEGAL copies so it should be outlawed as well. And also all firearms should be criminalized. No law enforcement of any kind should be armed. We should all use nerf guns. I mean we wouldn't want to hurt each other. Joe why don't you just go back to whatever sheltered place you live in and leave the rest of us the fark alone.
 
wib
2003-09-11 03:48:52 PM
Polle
"I'm voting Independent"
"Go ahead, throw your vote away."
*Perot punches hole through hat

/I think
 
2003-09-11 03:49:25 PM
I blame Ashcroft and Bush for stupid shows like this because they choose to try and enforce an unjust law, or at the very least try to close a loophole by sidestepping the legislative process. People were selling waterpipes all during the Reagan administration, but there was no crackdown then, was there? Why not?

Ashcroft is evil and insane. Losing an election to a dead person really had an adverse affect him psychologically I'm afraid. Naming him AG just sparked some kind of revenge cycle, and he ain't done yet!

Chong didn't have too much of a choice to plead guilty with the full weight of the JD coming down on him. He was probably threatened with some kind of homeland security BS that could have landed him in jail for a MUCH longer time, and bankrupted him and his family trying to fight it. What the hell, take 9 months and come out a hero. This guy is an American Icon for chissakes! I think the backlash from this and other stupid moves will be harsh and deep.

Remember kids. Vote...and vote carefully. Your life may depend on it.
 
2003-09-11 03:49:37 PM
With good behavior, he'll be out in less. Not to mention the fact that he'll be treated like FARKING ROYALTY during his stay in the can.
 
2003-09-11 03:49:45 PM
Jack_W_B, so if you sell a handgun in a high crime area you should go to jail for conspiracy to commit murder/robbery?
 
2003-09-11 03:49:51 PM
2003-09-11 03:45:26 PM Tigger


on a separate note these threads inevitably contain Fark's two most ridiculous arguments:

1) You knew you were breaking the law so you shouldn't have done it (assumes one hundred percent correlation of natural and positive law, belies miserable failure to consider historical events, demonstrates total inability to consider the specific from a general principle).

2) Why are you talking about this on the internet when you could start a campaign (assumes one precludes the other, you have no right to complain unless you are actively involved in change, that large scale public voicing of opinion in media such as the internet is not in and of itself an agent of change)


-------------
Ramble on...
 
2003-09-11 03:50:40 PM
Well said, Tigger.
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:50:47 PM
2003-09-11 03:47:55 PM Jack_W_B


You play, you pay. He knew he was selling his product for illegal drug use and now he must face the consequences of his actions.

Get over it and move on.


He was selling products to make money. What his cusomers did with the products was their business.
 
2003-09-11 03:50:55 PM
tallguywithglasseson

Uhh, I don't get it. Can you, like, spoon feed me or something? :)
 
2003-09-11 03:51:23 PM
Chong in the joint? I heard he is also involved in or else
runs a company called "Urine Luck" that has ads for
clean urine samples in the back of High Times magazine.

I know it's not specifically in the Bill of Rights, but
I think that inalienable right to "the pursuit of happiness" is a fair basis for nullifying all of the
victimless crime laws on the books. I for one do not smoke pot, but it IS a victimless activity.
Don't give that shiat about drug violence and people stealing to get high. Only a very small fraction of that stuff would be going on if the stuff were legal, so logically it is the result of the prohibitions, not the drugs themselves.
If we just said no to the drug war
 
2003-09-11 03:51:45 PM
Jeebus - You women sure like to yak.
Does anyone have anything NEW to add to this old, worn out thread?
 
2003-09-11 03:51:58 PM
joemahoney - "Then change the law. The time you folks spend on the Internet could be used to start your campaign."

This is true. I've written three letters and have sent a few hundred emails (not so tough to do, really). Maybe I should start a petition, or find an existing one which presents the issue in an intelligent, persuasive and non-alienating fashion.

You know, a fellow could argue that discussing the issue in a public forum is more effective than writing easily ignored letters to busy people.
 
2003-09-11 03:52:37 PM
I haven't bought weed in a looong time, but today i purchased a quarter pound of KB just because of this crap - it's for a tribute party tonight for Tommy Chong!

Oh, and it was grown locally (Austin, Texas) so I'm not "supporting terrorism"

Take THAT Ashcroft! Keep on tokin'!
 
2003-09-11 03:53:35 PM
Loose_Stool

Uhhhh....let's see what i"m doing to change the drug laws:

I support parties who are progressive on the issue.
I write letters of support and criticism to politicians.
I smoke openly.

Many others do these things too, and have for years.

In our democracy our leaders listen to the people and the laws are changing.

In your democracy/republic are the leaders not supposed to listen to the people as well? I was under the impression that your govt was "of the people and by the people and for the people".

Don't blame the "stoner community" for not changing your laws. Blame the fact that your government has been hijacked for over 20 years by status-quo-minded white men who have forgotten what and whom they represent. The stoners HAVE changed laws in places like the UK, Canada, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Ireland, Germany.......
 
2003-09-11 03:53:44 PM
if we just said no to the drug war and prohibition we would save billions on enforcement, would stop ruining people's lives for no good reason, and have a law enforcement community with more time and resources to fight real crime.
 
2003-09-11 03:53:53 PM
Fark Party in Austin, TX!
 
2003-09-11 03:53:58 PM
squidloe wrote:

I love reading all the posts in this thread that say this is GW's fault or welcome to Ashcroft's America etc. The drug laws have been on the books for quite some time now. And the law that Chong was charged and found guilty under was not a law that was recently passed.

GW bashing and Ashcroft bashing can be fun, when appropriate. But to insert it into every thread and discussion is getting old. Enough already. Your posts aren't even clever or funny, they're mundane at best.

Fark is a release for a lot of us. We get to say things and take stands that we ordinarily wouldn't take or wouldn't have the balls to take publicly. I hope those that always insert the "It's Bush's fault", "It's Ashcrosft's Fault" argument do a better job bascking your arguments up in the real world where it matters. Or maybe you don't have the balls.


//Don't forget Fox!! Fox is part of the axis of evil!!
 
2003-09-11 03:54:04 PM
Poor Chong.. $50 says Kobe Bryant gets a lesser charge
 
2003-09-11 03:54:40 PM
2003-09-11 03:48:25 PM AgentPothead


joemahoney if you think that selling a waterpipe that could be used to smoke weed, cloves, tobacco, any number of legal domestic/imported herbs, is a jailable offense, in a federal prison no less, then I'm sure you also agree selling rolling papers, and lighters is as well. I mean they only have illegal uses. And your TIVO you use to record all the brain dead tv shows that make your 83 IQ brain laugh, that is only used to make ILLEGAL copies so it should be outlawed as well. And also all firearms should be criminalized. No law enforcement of any kind should be armed. We should all use nerf guns. I mean we wouldn't want to hurt each other. Joe why don't you just go back to whatever sheltered place you live in and leave the rest of us the fark alone.


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What's your point?
My point is this: I'm not debating if the law is just or not; it's currently a law and he broke the law. He entered his plea.
The facts are there to be seen. It's just folks like you that want to turn this thread into an argument for legalizing pot. If you want to change the law, do it, I don't care.
 
2003-09-11 03:55:07 PM
lesser "Sentence"
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:55:28 PM
2003-09-11 03:50:55 PM fatassbastard


tallguywithglasseson

Uhh, I don't get it. Can you, like, spoon feed me or something? :)


Spoons are drug paraphenalia! I'm reporting your suggestion to the MiniLuv at once
 
2003-09-11 03:56:21 PM
This thread makes me want to blaze a big phatty and laugh at you. But what to use for a pipe, my source is out of circulation.

Wait, I've got it. I'll hollow out this piece of wood.

Now I know what some of you are thinking... Here we have a piece of wood dug out into a pipe. Maybe the solution would be to ban the possession of trees, maybe cut them all down. That would stop someone from using one as a pipe. Yeah, that would solve the problem!
 
2003-09-11 03:56:38 PM
2003-09-11 03:53:35 PM Bill_Wick's_Friend


Loose_Stool

Uhhhh....let's see what i"m doing to change the drug laws:

I support parties who are progressive on the issue.
I write letters of support and criticism to politicians.
I smoke openly.

how's that working for you?
 
2003-09-11 03:57:19 PM
I'm sick of the lies, VOTE BUSH OUT!!! FREE TOMMY CHONG !!!!! I really hope Chong goes public with this big time, I want to see protests, the word must be heard, It's time to tell the fat greedy conservitives to get the hell out of our lives!
 
2003-09-11 03:58:09 PM
joemahoney

People often plead guilty to charges of crimes they did not commit or actions that may or may not be illegal to avoid the cost of the fight and potential consequences of losing the fight.
 
2003-09-11 03:58:50 PM
2003-09-11 03:51:58 PM Scrotar
joemahoney - "Then change the law. The time you folks spend on the Internet could be used to start your campaign."

This is true. I've written three letters and have sent a few hundred emails (not so tough to do, really). Maybe I should start a petition, or find an existing one which presents the issue in an intelligent, persuasive and non-alienating fashion.

You know, a fellow could argue that discussing the issue in a public forum is more effective than writing easily ignored letters to busy people.

------
I enjoy your responses. I respect your opinion and you sound like an adult. You seem to be the only person that gets where I'm coming from. I not taking a pro or anti stance on pot despite my feelings on the issue. I just think some folks here need an education.
 
2003-09-11 03:59:01 PM
fatassbastard

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think that fire is magic. And is scares me a lot.

It's from The State, an overlooked and long defunct sketch comedy series on MTV in the 90's. It was pretty funny at times, someone posted a link for an "audio edit" (which I find pretty stupid BTW) that had some lines from The State. One of the characters was the "Old Fashined Guy", who would say things like "Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I believe there's One True God. And he lives in a lake. And his name is Zorgo." It's just been kinda in my head since then, sorry your "women voters" comment made me think of it.

 
2003-09-11 03:59:43 PM
Vociferocicuss, when I read about the busts they were doing in Rolling Stone a few months ago I believe they mentioned Ashcroft as the one that called for it to happen.
 
2003-09-11 03:59:47 PM
Joe

I am going to interpret "ramble on" to mean something like "I am debating the question do we have a moral duty to obey the law without the first clue what the key terms natural law and positive law mean".

Ignoring the finer points of jurisprudence let's go back to the issue I raised earlier. Despite your claim that you don't make enough money to pay taxes, if you've bought anything over the internet you should have paid state sales tax on it. If you didn't voluntarily declare this tax in your annual return you are guilty of tax fraud. Morally wrong? of course not.

On the other hand perhaps you are French. They have a glorious history of handing over their Jewish people because there is a law that says they should.
 
2003-09-11 04:00:03 PM
Works fine for me, Loose_Stool

Marijuana is on the verge of decrim federally across Canada, marijuana is currently not a crime in Ontario due to (deliberate) lack of action by Ontario crown.

I do not live in fear of my govt for a victimless crime.

And you? Do you think that any action you take to change the drug laws in the USA will do anything other than get your name on "a list"? Does that not sicken you to see how perverse and twisted the mechanisms of democracy have become?
 
2003-09-11 04:00:33 PM
Totally lame. While there are certainly bigger fish to fry, the government in their almighty righteous quest to save us from ourselves makes a grandstand performance by sentencing an old stoner who sells bongs to federal prison. Cost to U.S. taxpayers: probably millions. Was there any good brought from this? None whatsoever. And why? To perpetuate the fallacy that is "The War On Drugs" and the police state that we are becoming. Absolutely no good comes from prohibition, whether alchohol or drugs.

Legalize it.

Tax it.

Use money from said taxes for social reforms and treatment of the cause, rather than trying to foster a police state.


BTW: FREE CHONG!!!!!
 
2003-09-11 04:00:47 PM
Most people (i know there will be exceptions) grow out of the smoking pot phase of their lives and realize it isn't a cause worth fighting for.

I think a better way to say this is, most people have children, buy a house, and get a real job. When these people weigh losing all they've worked for against fighting a losing battle with a misinformed majority, they quite reasonably choose to switch to beer. Most of these people wouldn't trade any recreational activity for their lives...and who has time to accomplish both a life and a massive national social reform??
 
2003-09-11 04:00:51 PM
2003-09-11 03:36:32 PM Loose_Stool


listen up people being a jew is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already


I invoke Godwin purposely. I win.
 
2003-09-11 04:01:29 PM
What makes me laugh are the commercials now that they are running. "My brother didn't go on to other drugs, he never really did anything." It's more harmful than we all thought? Isn't that leading the witness? First of all, it's actually less harmful then we all thought. It was outlawed because the doctor who did the original experiments for the AMA (American Medical Association) injected some kind of chemical, not THC, into a dog's brain and it went insane. He said the same was true for any tweed-user. So actually, it's LESS harmful than WE all thought. In fact, more accidents each year are caused by alcohol consumption, rather than tweed. So why can't we have it? What's the problem?
 
2003-09-11 04:01:56 PM
and who has time to accomplish both a life and a massive national social reform??

I can hardly get down the gym
 
2003-09-11 04:01:58 PM
2003-09-11 03:58:09 PM BlueDog
joemahoney
People often plead guilty to charges of crimes they did not commit or actions that may or may not be illegal to avoid the cost of the fight and potential consequences of losing the fight.

--------------
How often does that happen? Just curious.
I think folks enter pleas to avoid a longer sentence, and I believe prosecutors offer lighter sentences because they want to trim their caseloads.
 
2003-09-11 04:02:04 PM
OK Hood (and everone else) other than posting to talk-backs what are you doing to reverse the drug laws?
Attending law school are you?
Planning to run for office?
Vote for a pro-drug candidate?
Moving somewhere where pot is legal?
No i didn't think so. the reason these laws are still around is because the stoner community can't seem to get its act together to do anything about it.
Most people (i know there will be exceptions) grow out of the smoking pot phase of their lives and realize it isn't a cause worth fighting for.


What am I doing?

* I'm a dues paying member of NORML
* I'm a member of a local Green Party
* I write letters to my representatives
* I write letters to my local newspapers
* I speak up about this topic whenever I get the chance
* I hope to run for local office one day when I'm a better educated candidate
* I think for myself

I also get dissappointed with the simplistic view I see in local media and also encouraged that the more people I talk to are on the right side of this issue. I get down that the federal government is screwing us all and optimistic that things can change for the better some day.

Your argument that I and others like me aren't doing enough is typical. In case you hadn't noticed, our entire system is set up to favor entrenched power and disenfranchise the populace. This is simply one facet of that system.

The reason these laws are still around, as you say, is not because of "stoners" who serve as a useful stereotype but because of a power system dedicated to coercing the public, maintaining the status quo, and serving its corporate masters. You think Eli Lilly would stand by if the Indiana General Assembly were to take up this topic? Think Prozac sales might drop if anyone could self medicate anytime they wanted? How about Psychiatrists, Doctors, Therapists and Shrinks (read: AMA)? They're not going to support that either. The police? Right. Drugs make up over 2/3 of their business.

What am I doing? I'm despairing at the present and hoping for the future? Why should I move? I love this country. I love our Constitution. I love where I live. I won't run away from a problem created by others. I will work to change it in ways that I can and I will always hope that time will win out. It's a senseless shame and it makes me sad to think that it will take 50 years before we see justice. But it may.
 
2003-09-11 04:02:46 PM
Stupid laws SHOULD be broken. It's your patriotic duty.
 
2003-09-11 04:04:33 PM
I invoke Godwin purposely. I win.

Wait, hold the phone, it wasn't mentioned... He mentioned only Jews...

So, Godwin's law cannot be envoked. Yet. Give it a few more minutes. =)
 
2003-09-11 04:05:20 PM
It has to be said: This War on Drugs has turned into a quagmire. Anti-pot is anti-personal freedom. Another victory for the Justice Dept., but another defeat for Justice.

Ever wonder what Ashcroft kills kittens to? This sort of shiat.
 
2003-09-11 04:05:32 PM
I hope that now that Ching is put away for awhil the Feds will finally go after those menacing Apple Farmers.... Hot to make a pipe out of an apple.

Sheesh
 
2003-09-11 04:05:47 PM
Why are the only marijuana news stories I read about people getting busted? It's never about something bad happening because someone is high. Of course there are lots of drunk driving stories, drunk violence stories, etc.
 
2003-09-11 04:05:50 PM
Bill Wicks Friend
first off: do not bad mouth the USA on the anniversary or 9/11 I will personally track you down and kick your lilly white French/Canadian a$$.
So your not even american so why waste our time with your comments when it clearly doesn't affect you.
If/When something happens in Ontario and makes a headline then you can comment until then keep you French/Canadian piehole shut
 
2003-09-11 04:06:06 PM
For all you Ashcroft bashers, just remember...

Janet Reno probably would have done the exact same thing.

Both parties support the Drug War.
 
2003-09-11 04:06:21 PM
See what happens when you get complacent.

See what happens when you smoke weed?
 
2003-09-11 04:06:34 PM
Cigs and booze are good safe government approved drugs. If Maryjane was as safe as cigs and booze it would be legal,Right?
 
2003-09-11 04:06:38 PM
420th post. hee hee.
 
2003-09-11 04:06:56 PM
jeez, this country is starting to suck more everyday. how much tax money is going to be spent on locking up this productive member of our society. TOTAL B.S.

Bush was a coke head.
 
2003-09-11 04:08:09 PM
FREE TOMMY CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 04:08:38 PM
tallguywithglasseson

word... :)
 
2003-09-11 04:08:45 PM
As for writing letters:

I've been writing letters to Congress and sending money to NORML since I was 18. I'm 30 now, been trying to change minds for 12 years, and the laws have not changed. I ain't Mandela, but 12 years is a long time in my view. People have been fighting for legalization since the 50's.

The only people who's minds have changed about the drug war are people who LISTEN. That excludes politicians who wish to appear tough on crime.

Maybe Howard Dean will be the one to finally listen. If he's gonna waffle about something, faking his support for the drug war to get elected is acceptable in my eyes, so long as he changes his position in light of better evidence once he's President.
 
2003-09-11 04:08:49 PM
C'mon Home Tommy!! The Buds are better here anyway!! You won't have worry about Assclown and his Homeland Gestapo.
America, make up your mind, are you Puritans or Freethinkers?? Really sad reflection on America. Especially after all the nice things I said about you today!! BOOOOO!!
 
2003-09-11 04:09:03 PM
2003-09-11 03:59:47 PM Tigger


Joe

I am going to interpret "ramble on" to mean something like "I am debating the question do we have a moral duty to obey the law without the first clue what the key terms natural law and positive law mean".

Ignoring the finer points of jurisprudence let's go back to the issue I raised earlier. Despite your claim that you don't make enough money to pay taxes, if you've bought anything over the internet you should have paid state sales tax on it. If you didn't voluntarily declare this tax in your annual return you are guilty of tax fraud. Morally wrong? of course not.

On the other hand perhaps you are French. They have a glorious history of handing over their Jewish people because there is a law that says they should.

-------------
No you crossed the line...you called me French!
Seriously, I'm not debating if we have a "duty" to obey the law or not.
If you've read my posts you can see where I'm coming from.
Right or wrong, he broke the law.
You can talk about "natural law" all you want but Tommy was charged under U.S. Federal Law. He enter a plea under U.S. Federal Law.
I'm not talking philosophy here, I'm talking about the news article that started this thread.
 
2003-09-11 04:10:13 PM
relax folks no one's gonna pound his ass.
if anything someones gonna befriend him and put him under his wing so he can make friends with someone rich and maybe get some help on the outside like cash/lawyer fee's/etc.
its a minimum security facility most people in there are serving little time andit helps to have a buddy who owes you when you get released.
 
2003-09-11 04:10:23 PM
I view the statement If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it. to be the quintessential bad-mouthing of the USA, given the founding principles of the nation.
 
2003-09-11 04:10:25 PM
For all the people who are whining about how Chong broke the law for selling pieces of glass intended for whatever the hell the consumer wants to use it for should pull their heads out of their asses.

Or dont. Just for you, I will be sure to smoke my next spliff and every joint after that with Bible paper.

Does the law makes sense now?
 
2003-09-11 04:10:51 PM
stupid f'in laws.
 
2003-09-11 04:11:07 PM
I find it a little disconcerting that there are still people out there naieve enough to believe that through patience and determination one can change the laws that they disagree with. The democracy that the USA claims to be so fair is by no means run by the population, the US is a strictly class based society and will remain that way. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but there is very little one can do to change a law.
 
2003-09-11 04:11:53 PM
PottyMcNugg

Actually, other than the inaccurate slogan, the commercial you referenced is probably the best and most realistic (which isn't really saying too much) anti-drug commercial I've seen yet. "Pot's not going to make you kill your parents for drug money, but it might kill your motivation to do much of anything productive."

I still think it should be legal, but I'm not pro-ganga as I assume (from your name) you are.

And before you unleash your wisdom about the benefits of getting high on me, let me just say that some people can smoke weed occasionally and be fine, but for a lot of people it kills their motivation. And for some of us, it just isn't really all that much fun in the first place.

 
2003-09-11 04:12:12 PM
Pass the dutchy on the right hand side?
 
2003-09-11 04:12:42 PM
the US is a strictly class based society and will remain that way.

If everyone has the right to vote how is it based on class?
 
2003-09-11 04:12:43 PM
Har, har. Rape is funny.
 
2003-09-11 04:12:54 PM
Glad you all came out for the love in.

I'm sure its been mentioned before but if you do something that is against the law you go to jail.

I'm not arguing about the validity of the law I'm pointing out a fact. Also, I'm pretty sure Ashcroft had little to nothing to do with this case anyway.

It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree but when you break the law you go to jail.

If you're dumb enough to sell drug paraphanalia across state lies you deserve your sentence.
 
2003-09-11 04:12:55 PM
TheHood
Wonderful post!
Harumph!
 
2003-09-11 04:13:03 PM
FREE CHONG
 
2003-09-11 04:14:30 PM
Wot, no picture captioning?



The guy looks like a cross between Lord Tyranus, Hannibal Lecter, and Zod. Not very mellow at all. I'm a little worried for his cellmate.
 
2003-09-11 04:15:11 PM
PTS - thanks.
 
2003-09-11 04:15:36 PM
It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree but when you break the law you go to jail.

No one's arguing this

I'm not arguing about the validity of the law

but then you go on to say

you deserve your sentence.

If the law is not valid how can you deserve your sentence. By saying you deserve your sentence you are expressly validating the law.
 
2003-09-11 04:16:11 PM
I stopped counting the "Ashcrofts" in this thread at 50. What does he have to do with this other than upholding a law that was on the books for a loooooooong time prior to his tenure as AG.

I am not defending the law itself, thank you, (I am a big proponent of legalization) but for chrissakes people! This isn't near as bad as his killing of 80 people in Waco.


...Oh wait...wrong Ag
 
2003-09-11 04:16:13 PM
Optimuspr0n

Holy crap. A voice of reason.

If only Tommy hadn't tried to be a greedy capitalist, whoring his 30 year old brand name, he could have smoked all the weed he wanted.
 
2003-09-11 04:18:03 PM

Oh, yeah, and FEI (for everyone's information) 65 year olds don't get pounded in the ass in prison.

Anyway, dude should have been given 9 months for "Rude Awakening," anyway.

 
2003-09-11 04:18:13 PM
Loose_Stool


Bill Wicks Friend
first off: do not bad mouth the USA on the anniversary or 9/11 I will personally track you down and kick your lilly white French/Canadian a$$.
So your not even american so why waste our time with your comments when it clearly doesn't affect you.
If/When something happens in Ontario and makes a headline then you can comment until then keep you French/Canadian piehole shut


Ahhhh....bluster. Nothing to add but bluster.

I am American but live in Canada and vote in both nations....am I allowed to speak now, herr Stool?
 
2003-09-11 04:18:26 PM
The law is valid. I'm pointing out the fact that knowingly violating the law you should go to jail.

As far I know drug laws haven't been ruled unconstitutional and I doubt they ever will.

The law doesn't need me to validate it.
 
2003-09-11 04:18:41 PM
This sucks.
On a somewhat positive note: Tommy Chong now lives down the street from me.
 
2003-09-11 04:18:57 PM
2003-09-11 04:11:07 PM xselectah
I find it a little disconcerting that there are still people out there naieve enough to believe that through patience and determination one can change the laws that they disagree with. The democracy that the USA claims to be so fair is by no means run by the population, the US is a strictly class based society and will remain that way. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but there is very little one can do to change a law.

-------------
Wrong...
Laws (and major laws at that) change all the time.
Suffrage,
Prohibition (on and off),
Abortion,
Death Penalty (on and off and on and off and on again)to name a few.
The changes came because some people worked hard for the change.
It's easy to sit at a computer and write "boo hoo, I can't change anything."
You just have to realize that sometimes there are more people out there that don't want the change you want.
 
2003-09-11 04:19:35 PM
I don't get it... Where's the punchline?

/Whaddaya mean it's not a joke???
 
2003-09-11 04:19:47 PM
I make this post at 4:20 in honor of Tommy...

Dave's not here.
 
2003-09-11 04:20:04 PM
420, woohoo!
 
2003-09-11 04:20:47 PM
Wouldn't ya know it, my clock was fast. Must be on speed.
 
2003-09-11 04:20:59 PM
4:20 message for Chong. Don't let the man hold you down. Hopefully something like this will galvanize the potheads of america to stand up for their rights once and for all. Or fark it let's move to Canada.
 
2003-09-11 04:21:25 PM
damn, 4 seconds too late!
 
2003-09-11 04:21:38 PM
Christ, it's stupid day.

Rape a child, go free, sell glass, go to jail. These people would piss themself over all the really cool glass I have in my house (shiat glows under blacklight) Too bad they are just dinner plates and shiat.
 
2003-09-11 04:22:24 PM
Once again you filthy, lazy, dirty, hippies:

http://www.norml.org
http://www.drugpolicy.org

Stop your biatching and sign up!

joemahoney
Your argument that the law's the law is a sound one. Bear in mind if we all followed the law blindly and without question we would all still be subjects of the British Empire. There comes a point, however, when the population more-or-less collectively decides that something is permissible though the law states it is not. In this case it happens to be pot. Much of the world (Canada, UK, Australia, most everywhere in Europe) is recognizing that pot is not the demon weed and are adjusting their laws accordingly. Go read norml.org if you don't believe me. The US, unfortunately, is in the grips of a right-wing movement which will prohibit any such change. Until the US socio-political climate changes, however (and believe you me I'm working on it), I will engage in the most innocent form of civil disobedience possible by ... smoking.
 
2003-09-11 04:23:36 PM
I heard an interview with Chong about this and the only reason is because they sold a piece to somebody from Pennsylvania. Its hardly Chongs fault. This article really doesn't say much about how it came about.
 
2003-09-11 04:23:41 PM
I'd never though I'd be using this on the Chongster. But since he isn't just acting this is appropritate:

Sorry Tommy. :-(
 
2003-09-11 04:24:12 PM
OptimusPr0n

You are completely wrong about this having nothing to do with Ashcroft. The justice department put out a concerted effort to go after head shops and websites selling pipes and bongs, whereas the Justice department under Clinton didn't. Don't you remember? An article was posted on Fark the day the Feds started shaking down all the shop owners.

In addition, the feds are now aggressively pursuing "indecency" laws, i.e. trying to arrest people making pornography. They typically go after these people in the Bible Belt because it's easy to get a jury that thinks that stuff should be outlawed, and that other individuals should not be allowed to see that sort of stuff no matter what they think.

Clinton's cabinet did not go after head shops or adult book stores. Clearly in the wake of 9/11 the Bush Administration has its priorities set straight to fight terrorism; close the head shops and porno shops! They're a threat to America!

This has everything to do with Ashcroft.

 
2003-09-11 04:24:36 PM
frankie13: Well if you didn't smoke weed, you would have had the ambition to hit the "add comment" button at the precise moment.

I on the other hand was so amped I hit it early!
 
2003-09-11 04:25:20 PM
Smookyfufu
Pass the dutchy on the right hand side?


Wonderful dancehall song, Pass the dutchy pon da left
 
2003-09-11 04:25:24 PM
cuprous2

Don't forget

http://mpp.org
 
2003-09-11 04:26:00 PM
We should teach the fark squirrel kung fu so chong can have his own Mr Fuzzy Nuts
 
2003-09-11 04:26:42 PM
Okay. I never bash America, but man. This is totally retarded. Somebody should shoot that judge. He's the criminal here. You guys let Enron executives get away with millions, and this guy goes to jail for 9 months selling bongs. Wow.

As for the bit about "don't dis America on 911". Sorry, but they didn't hold off on sentencing today, so tough luck... you gotta take yer lumps. Also... seeing as Tommy is Canadian, I think we have a right to comment. Also, John Waters has no problem telling Canada how to run it's business... I figure it must go both ways.
 
2003-09-11 04:26:54 PM
The reason Pot is illegal in the USA is the fact that the majority of americans really don't care about it.
don't you think the government would stand to make a bundle of money if they legalized and taxed it? (probably enough to pay for this was in Iraq at least)Hell everything else is taxed.
 
2003-09-11 04:27:43 PM

Dont worry folks, the squirrel master will strike back!
 
2003-09-11 04:27:52 PM
I'm not arguing about the validity of the law

The law is valid.


I'm assuming this means that you feel marijuana should be illegal. That's perfectly reasonable but it puts you in a tiny minority at least on this thread and in conflict with the ideas of personal liberty (so long as it doesn't affect others) espoused by such great's in America's history as Lincoln who opposed prohibition (despite his personal decision to be teetotal, divorcing his personal opinion from a broader principle in a manner all to rare these days)

"A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government
was founded"
 
2003-09-11 04:28:08 PM
America; the democracy where your opinion doesn't count.
 
2003-09-11 04:28:45 PM
You mean these things aren't meant for tobacco?

Doh!
 
2003-09-11 04:29:09 PM
You know, I admit that Tommy Chong is pretty funny, but that's not my point.

My point is, drugs are being glamourized too much. Daily, I see too many lives that are totally farked up because somewhere in their lives they thought it would be "cool" or "fun". People begging on street corners, people getting high and mugging other people, murders, etc.

And don't tell me that dope is harmless. That's complete BULLshiat, and I've seen it with my own eyes. Both of my sisters have dependency problems, and where did they start? A little hoot on the weekends starts to look good on the weekdays, and then they're chronic. And then moving on to a bigger buzz...my ex-brother-in-law is a crackhead now, and I can name a dozen other examples of the same thing, all happening within my sphere of friends/family.

In my apartment building, on my floor, there are now four different apartments out of ten where the reek of weed (and other smells) eminate from. There are strange people coming and going all day and night, some "normal" looking, others looking like thugs or junkies. We don't live in a slum, we live in a average neighbourhood, but it is getting worse every year. My wife has become afraid to go anywhere without me now, she won't even go downstairs to get the mail alone.

So do I have the answers? No. Not even close. I don't think legalization is the answer, and I don't think that draconian measures are going to help either. But the mainstream media has to take some freaking accountability for what they are saying is cool. Tommy Chong is a funny guy, and a decent musician, but lets not make him into a hero. Because by idolizing this shiat, it's making everyone's life worse.
 
2003-09-11 04:29:51 PM
Joemahoney is a goody two shoed whiny sack of crap. Why don'yt you run for office there Mr. IamwithoutsinsoIwillcaststones? Oh if I could only throw a left cross over the internet..........

/powrightinthekisser
 
wib
2003-09-11 04:29:57 PM
Tigger you tha man
 
2003-09-11 04:30:30 PM
heres tommy chongs deleted website (as you prolly guessed, its now been shut down)

http://www.thememoryhole.org/drugs/pipe-sites/chong-glass.htm

free chong!
 
2003-09-11 04:30:48 PM
Chong plead guilty because if he didn't the un-justice department was going to charge his wife and son. He took the wrap so they wouldn't have to. This is 100% the work of asscroft and his neo-conservative agenda. Show your support-
FREECHONG.net
 
2003-09-11 04:30:57 PM
The US, unfortunately, is in the grips of a right-wing movement which will prohibit any such change.

You mean unlike the previous 8 yrs.? WTF? What did BC do that was any farking better or different?



Until the US socio-political climate changes, however (and believe you me I'm working on it),

Riiiight, you mean after a couple more tokes?


I will engage in the most innocent form of civil disobedience possible by ... smoking.

Ah, I see I was right...

And anyway, if it's disobedience, how do reckon it's "innocent"?
 
2003-09-11 04:32:58 PM
Is Long Chong Bong related to Long Duck Dong?
 
2003-09-11 04:33:20 PM
lotonah

while I sympathise with the problems of your sisters, this large study demonstrated conclusively that marijuana is not a gateway drug. Even if it were, by that logic we should ban alcohol and cigarettes which is what everyone starts with.

link
 
2003-09-11 04:33:31 PM
2003-09-11 04:22:24 PM cuprous2
Once again you filthy, lazy, dirty, hippies:
http://www.norml.org
http://www.drugpolicy.org
Stop your biatching and sign up!

joemahoney
Your argument that the law's the law is a sound one. Bear in mind if we all followed the law blindly and without question we would all still be subjects of the British Empire. There comes a point, however, when the population more-or-less collectively decides that something is permissible though the law states it is not. In this case it happens to be pot. Much of the world (Canada, UK, Australia, most everywhere in Europe) is recognizing that pot is not the demon weed and are adjusting their laws accordingly. Go read norml.org if you don't believe me. The US, unfortunately, is in the grips of a right-wing movement which will prohibit any such change. Until the US socio-political climate changes, however (and believe you me I'm working on it), I will engage in the most innocent form of civil disobedience possible by ... smoking.

---------------
We were subjects of the British Empire, we did not have a vote. Hence, "Taxation Without Representation Is A Sin."
I don't think you can equate being ruled by a monarchy that supplied little or no services yet taxed the population with not being able to smoke the substance of your choice.
You have a vote, and others have votes as well but I don't think the majority of this country is as accepting of pot as you might think.
That may change, and when it does, the law will change.
 
2003-09-11 04:33:46 PM

KNEEL!!!...before Zod!
 
2003-09-11 04:34:52 PM
/Rolls up a Led-Zepplin assed joint... Pulls giant toke.... blows smoke in your face.... You must leave to breath, this room is now filled with smoke, you might get high and become unmotivated.......
 
2003-09-11 04:35:09 PM
I am for legalization...

I have been adicted to opium...

I used to smoke pot...

All those people who are whining about a drug messing up someone else's life need to place the blame with that person, not the drug.
 
2003-09-11 04:35:14 PM
Guess who just bought "freetommychong.org". Anyone wanna help set up a site with it?
 
2003-09-11 04:36:08 PM
Memo to loose stool,

Do you run like you nickname little girl???
 
2003-09-11 04:36:18 PM
The majority of Americans and the majority of voting Americans is a huge difference, and in that difference is the legalization of marijuana.

If you check out the demographic data it will hold up. Or just think about it, and realize potheads are far too lazy to go vote :-) If we could manage to get more people registered and voting a lot of things would be different.
 
2003-09-11 04:36:47 PM
I don't think the majority of this country is as accepting of pot as you might think.


it's not about what the majority think. it's about ensuring the right for EVERYONE to pursue happiness (qualifier - not at the expense of others).

You can't prevent even one person in the country from pursuing happiness in a harmless way even if every single other person thinks he shouldn't.
 
2003-09-11 04:37:32 PM
Joemahoney
I am sure we all agree that laws are supposed to be a reflection of morality.
What you claim is existence of a relativistic moral code that is defined by those who are the most pro-active. That seems a little bit ill-defined in my mind. I think it would be better suited that perhaps we just draw an arbitrary line in the sand and say the smart people get to decide whats best for the stupid people.
 
2003-09-11 04:37:56 PM
SixOfDLoC

I misread that URL as "free to my chong" .org. Funny. Not sure who bought it. The Chong family?

 
2003-09-11 04:38:12 PM
2003-09-11 04:29:51 PM Claude Funston Sr.
Joemahoney is a goody two shoed whiny sack of crap. Why don'yt you run for office there Mr. IamwithoutsinsoIwillcaststones? Oh if I could only throw a left cross over the internet..........

/powrightinthekisser

-----------
Maybe you should leave the arguments to the adults. At least read what I have written. I'm writing about the law, not about behavior. What are you writing about tough guy?
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 04:38:44 PM
lotonah, you are evil.

"My point is, drugs are being glamourized too much."
True-- just look at tv commercials and doctor's offices: Xanax, marinol, etc.

"Daily, I see too many lives that are totally farked up because somewhere in their lives they thought it would be "cool" or "fun"."
What? Which drugs are you talking about?

"people ... mugging other people, murders..."
Now you're talking about behavior. NOT drugs-- what the?

"And don't tell me that dope is harmless. That's complete BULLshiat, and I've seen it with my own eyes."
Lier!

"Both of my sisters have dependency problems..."
Again, behavior. Pot is less addictive than aspirin. Why do you think pot had anything to do with it?

"There are strange people coming and going all day and night, some "normal" looking, others looking like thugs or junkies. "
OK, from behavior to appearance. Drugs should be illegal because you don't like the look of certan people? Do you mean mexicans? That was the original racial stereotype associated with cannabis.

"My wife has become afraid to go anywhere without me now, she won't even go downstairs to get the mail alone."
Agoraphobia-- behavior.

"So do I have the answers? No. Not even close."
Then why such a strong opinion?
 
2003-09-11 04:38:44 PM
The reason Pot is illegal in the USA is the fact that the majority of americans really don't care about it.
don't you think the government would stand to make a bundle of money if they legalized and taxed it?


If the govt legalized and normalized marijuana then their entire war on drugs (well...about 94% of it according to their own stats released last week) would be shut down. That's multi hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars of your money that is being sucked up in the war. Do you think the thousands and thousands of govt employees who depend on this war for their livelyhood are willing to eliminate 94% of their jobs? Do you think that Sikorsky, who manufactures the helicopters for the war on drugs, wants the war to end? Do you think that the state and federal reps from Connecticut want Sikorsky (based in New Haven, I believe?) to shut down their drug-war chopper operations? Do you think all the cops who get to keep the seized cash and cars (even though it's usually supposed to go to state education it never does seem to get there.....) want the war to end?

Your government and those in power are lining their pockets BIG TIME with the war on drugs....and without marijuana there's just not enough drug use to justify the expense.

The govt makes way more controlling drugs than it would by taxing them....of course one way gets your money by YOUR choice and the other takes your money by THEIR choice in April.
 
2003-09-11 04:38:46 PM
Sign me up for one of those limited edition, made in the slammer, Chong Glass bongs!! I haven't partaken in the herbage in quite some time, but wouldn't hesitate to light one up in Tommy's name if given the opportunity.

Free Chong, he makes me laugh!
 
2003-09-11 04:38:55 PM
Sorry JoeMahoney!! I just read your profile and saw you were from Des Moines. Sorry about your luck,Cornboy!!
 
2003-09-11 04:38:57 PM
Off the top of my head:

I was gonna try and countersue,
But then I got high.
I was gonna get a good lawyer, too,
But then I got high.
Now I'm the wife of a guy named Lou,
And I know why.
Because I got high.
Because I got high.
because I got high.
 
2003-09-11 04:40:58 PM
I havnt read this entire thread, but i didnt notice anyone commenting on the effect this has on the art community.

Currently, the glass art community is almost dead due to Ashcroft's application of the war on drugs to individuals who are not trafficing in the drugs themselves, but items that could POSSIBLY be used for ingesting the substances.

You see, most glass "high art" does not sell well. Artists cannot make a living off of their conceptual peices. So, in order to maintain a "starving artists" existence, many of them turn to blowing extraordinarily beautiful glass pipes. Take a look at the item's on chong's site, and tell me they are not art.

With the money made from these pipes, the artists can focus on massive conceptual masterpeices and still survive.

So you see, its not just potheads that are being locked away. But pothead artists who are simply trying to survive and be creative.
 
2003-09-11 04:41:31 PM
Does pot affect your decision making for the better?
If not why do it?
Is it worth the risk?
Is it worth losing your car, your house, your job or your family for?
No? then why do it?
Alcohol gives prety much the same affect and is legal.
Why take the risk?
 
2003-09-11 04:41:34 PM
Claude: Hey joe Mahoney wipe your nose!!
Joe: why? what's there?
Claude: Ass. Asscroft ass.
 
2003-09-11 04:41:36 PM
and me, like a farkhead, forgets to close his link.
 
2003-09-11 04:42:08 PM
Tigger,

I don't care what any "study" says, I've seen the effects first-hand. While almost everyone I know has tried it a couple of times, and only a dozen or so have moved on to regularily try harder drugs, almost all of them that I've talked to says that they only tried harder drugs because they were "farked up, high, and (their friends) were passing it around".

I don't think that banning anything is the answer. I think that media companies have to take a second look at the product that they are putting out. I also think that people have to stop and think about what they are doing to themselves and those around them. I personally don't do drugs at all, because I have a history of alcohol problems and I know that I have an addiction problem. I also know that addiction problems of all types riddle my family and I don't want that to happen to me.
 
2003-09-11 04:42:14 PM
Loose_Stool....ever hear of civil disobedience.
 
2003-09-11 04:42:26 PM
Dear George

If the govt legalized and normalized marijuana then their entire war on drugs (well...about 94% of it according to their own stats released last week) would be shut down.

With this sort of cash you could invade at least THREE hot sandy countries PER YEAR.

tigger - ending the war on drugs.
 
2003-09-11 04:43:47 PM
2003-09-11 04:38:55 PM Claude Funston Sr.


Sorry JoeMahoney!! I just read your profile and saw you were from Des Moines. Sorry about your luck,Cornboy!!

-----------------

For anyone who cares here's numbnut's ("Claude") profile:


Slicker,sleazier and where's the party??? A veteran troll hunter who lives in sunny climes, the Funston sates himself on Boobies, Chronic and Beer. Hobbies include: Humpin', Bumpin' and Thumpin'. A cousin of Kid Rock and the Uncle of Man. If you don't like me, "Kiss my grits"!!
 
2003-09-11 04:43:49 PM
xselectah
So you do it to make statement?
 
2003-09-11 04:44:39 PM
Thanks, swahnhennessy Jeebus. That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 04:44:57 PM
loosestool:

"Does pot affect your decision making for the better?"
Yes.

"Is it worth the risk?"
Why else would people be risking?

"Is it worth losing your car, your house, your job or your family for?"
Risk asessment-- maybe.

"Alcohol gives prety much the same affect"
False-- Alcohol is far much more dangerous, waaaay more powerfull high, can kill you if enough is ingested.

Pot is a usefull medicine.
It has been for 5000 years.
 
2003-09-11 04:44:58 PM
Loose_Stool,

Because pot doesn't kill your liver and give you a hangover.
 
2003-09-11 04:45:22 PM
Loose_stool - I think that any law I disagree with - with regards to my own sense of morality - I will choose to ignore, and if caught deal with the consequences. I think that most people in the world deal with this in a similar manner. Most people smoking pot don't think it is inherently wrong, so they smoke pot. Most people think it is wrong to kill someone, so they don't break that law.
 
2003-09-11 04:46:21 PM
lotonah

I cannot argue with your belief in subjective experience over objective research.

Separately however, what media companies are you talking about? As far as I knew there wasn't much drug advertising. Additionally why isn't it the responsibility of individuals to make those choices themselves - as you yourself appear to have done.
 
2003-09-11 04:47:03 PM
So what is your point there,sister Mahoney?? That you can cut and paste. Wow, that is pretty advanced for a Iowan. I am surprised you can raise your dragged knuckles to the keyboard!!!

Smoke a pole, you skirtwearing Cornhole!!
 
2003-09-11 04:47:19 PM
alias
No pot kills brain cells (which can not be replaced)and not all alchol gives you a hang over if you know how to drink.
 
2003-09-11 04:49:03 PM
It's funny that pot is illegal yet I can go to my dentist w/ a toothache and get enough Vicodin to tranq up a rhino. Hmmmm....
 
2003-09-11 04:49:06 PM
Pot kills brain cells?

You just keep comin' up with them, eh kid?

You should go read a book or two (and not that pamphlet from the ONDCP that you keep quoting from) before you post anything else. Your posts just get dumber and dumber with every line.
 
2003-09-11 04:49:28 PM
so I wonder if vaporizers are illegal. hmm how about this soldering iron?

thanks scavenger, GEAH, I was beginning to think there were only unreasonable people here.

Pollexabator, what the hell does this have to do with "neocon" ? my brother was busted under clinton, and Nelson Rockefeller was a Democrat. so? That one guy said it best when he said "America is farked until the stiff half of us can put up with the other half." well I agree with that in some cases, like this one.
 
2003-09-11 04:49:43 PM
What a farking load of BULLSHIAT!

Free Tommy Chong!
 
2003-09-11 04:50:13 PM
xselectah
unfortunatly its not up to us to decide which laws are just and unjust.
Breaking the law is breaking the law.
Get caught with pot and you will go to jail.
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 04:50:17 PM
Loose_Stool:

Pot does not kill brain cells-- That Public Service Announcement was a complete lie.

In fact, studies on the subject have shown it to help brain cells actually grow. It's ability to help thwart alzheimers and MS is currently being studied.

Alcohol does indeed kill brain cells, a lot of brain cells.
 
2003-09-11 04:50:51 PM
Are his movies that old or did he go gray overnight?
 
2003-09-11 04:51:08 PM
oops my mistake rockefeller was a republican
 
2003-09-11 04:51:12 PM
Loose_Stool

as a former bartender, that could possibly be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard....

I have never seen someone get stoned and want to fight....
Something that happens a lot with alchohol.....
 
2003-09-11 04:52:09 PM
HAHA

 
2003-09-11 04:52:09 PM
unfortunatly its not up to us to decide which laws are just and unjust.

You just defined fascism.
 
2003-09-11 04:52:14 PM
tallguywithglasseson

I knew someone would bring that up. It is the sterotypical image drawn into your mind because everyone thinks that is exactly what happens when you smoke p0t. But that is not the case at all. Sometimes, yeah, but I also know alot of beer drinkers who have no motivation but to sit on their couch all day in a drunken stupor. P0t never made me unable to complete my daily routine. I do not sit all day around a b0ng and go "Huh" and "Whoa Dude" all day. I am a productive member of society. What that commercial portrays to me is a last grab for the ring. The previous commericals had a girl getting pregnant, and a guy kneeling by his little brothers grave (he killed him when he got into an accident because there was THC in his blood). It's propaganda, and when it's used against the US it's bad, but when the US uses it on us it's ok? I just don't get it! I'm not saying that you should enjoy it, just like I don't enjoy getting drunk and waking up with a hangover (which I never have to worry about from p0t :) but still, can you see my point? And yes, you got it, my name says it all!

P.McNugg
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 04:52:53 PM
Marijuana: No medicinal bennefits.
Marinol: All the medicinal bennefits of marijuana.

/your government
 
2003-09-11 04:52:55 PM
Loose_stool -
I don't think its a question of what is just, it is more a question of what is moral. If a law was passed tomorrow that reflected public opinion that every member of a particular race was to be shot on sight...I happily break that law. Even if 99.9999% of the population of this country thought it was right, because I have my own idea of morality that is not defined by popularity. I would hope that most people have similarly defined moral values, but I am afraid this is not the case (ref. Nazi Germany).
 
wib
2003-09-11 04:53:19 PM
I'm sure its been mentioned before but if you do something that is against the law you go to jail.

I'm not arguing about the validity of the law I'm pointing out a fact. Also, I'm pretty sure Ashcroft had little to nothing to do with this case anyway.

Wow, was that uninformed...
 
2003-09-11 04:53:32 PM
maybe i'll head down the library and get some pro-pot phamplets.
Are you telling me that smoking pot a couple hours a day is good for you?
 
2003-09-11 04:53:33 PM
"i smoked but i did not inhale"
 
2003-09-11 04:54:00 PM
wudhu
Riiiight, you mean after a couple more tokes?

Don't patronize me. It makes you look bad.

You mean unlike the previous 8 yrs.? WTF? What did BC do that was any farking better or different?

Correct you are. I should have explained a bit more (or perhaps you might have caught on) that there's been a tremendous worldwide surge towards decriminalizing pot in the last 4 years. Canada did it this year. Ditto UK. And so on. With Bush/Ashcroft and like-minded in office there's absolutely no chance that there'll be any amendment to US law regarding pot.

As to disobedience being innocent.. well.. where shall I begin.
Having a toke with friends or by myself has, thus far, resulted in naught but laughs, entertaining conversations/chess games, etc, etc. I'd rather not drag out the old "pot smokers never mug anyone to support their habit" argument as I think its sufficiently well known. Sure, some go on to harder drugs, live in their mother's basement, etc. I bet most started boozing first, too.
Oh yeah.. alcohol... there's a great drug.
 
2003-09-11 04:54:00 PM
loose_stool

yeah, but how many incidents of pot related violence have been reported? to date, none.

how many incidents of alcohol related violence have been reported? to date, more then i can count.

how many drunk driving accidents has alcohol caused? to date, more then i can count (and one of those incidents almost killed my grand parents b/c some drunk idiot hit them).

i would go back and review the facts before you continue.
 
2003-09-11 04:54:47 PM
Like Denis Leary said,

Nyquil and Sudafed....experiment on your own time, folks.
 
2003-09-11 04:56:17 PM
Loose_Stool
maybe i'll head down the library and get some pro-pot phamplets.
Are you telling me that smoking pot a couple hours a day is good for you?

Sure. Got me thru college.. 3.86 GPA... Stoned everyday.... The whole braincell thing was discredited btw....
 
2003-09-11 04:56:38 PM
Loose_Stool,

You might want to check the research on that instead of reading D.A.R.E.'s Pamphlet.

Smoking pot deadens your receptors on the brain cells in certain parts of your brain, makeing the synapses harder to bridge while on the drug. This effect wears off over time. That is why chronic smokers generally are less responsive and "chill", while those who enjoy pot every once and a while exhibit these characterics less often.

If you are serious in wanting to know more about drugs, both legal and illegal, I suggest you pick a copy up of, Buzzed. It was written by three docs (PH.D and M.D.) from Johns Hopkins. It was an attempt to provide accurate, non-biased information on what drugs do to your system, and how they do it.
 
2003-09-11 04:56:50 PM
shiat, I commented in the 4 other threads about this but missed this one.

This is a travesty. This shows what kind of freedom we really enjoy... as much freedom as the government arbitrarily allows us.

This is akin to putting a guy in jail for selling jars to put tomatoes in.

Those who think alcohol "gives the same effect" are wrong... alcohol is far more damaging to yourself and a drunk person is far more dangerous to other people than a person high on marijuana.

Until things like marijuana are completely legal, the so-called freedom we enjoy is merely an illusion.
 
2003-09-11 04:56:51 PM
lotonah-

You and your wife live in fear. Make sure you lock your door and stay ignorant, it'll be easier that way.
 
2003-09-11 04:56:54 PM
lotonah

I don't care what any "study" says, I've seen the effects first-hand.

Congradulations, you have just made all your arguments moot.

Actually, it was your sister that was stupid and let the drugs take over her. The drug cant be at fault. Its not like it FORCED itself on your sister. Its her own fault for taking them.

While i was.. inebriated, i was offered the following drugs.

E, Acid, Heroin, Cocaine, Mushrooms, Opium, ect.

On a couple of them they said "JUST DO IT YO" and I said, "no."

Do you know why I said "no?"

Because Im not a moron. I know not to make important decisions when Im in an alternate state of mind.

Apparently, your sister did not.

Most people that do drugs/drink are functional. They come home after work, get wasted, pass out on the couch, and wake up the next morning and go to work.

Functional.
 
wib
2003-09-11 04:57:10 PM
Loose stool. Keep informed, brain cells can be replaced.
That little nugget of info is just more rhetoric that has been shoved down your throat. Question your sources! They have not all been honest, nor have they all had your best interest in mind.
 
2003-09-11 04:57:33 PM
Ahhh, the "my drug is better than your drug, debate".
 
2003-09-11 04:58:01 PM
All those stoners that you used to get baked with in college are the future's lawyers, politicians, businessmen, corporate execs, registered voters... Marijuana will be decriminalized in the U.S., it will just take some time. Have to wait for all the old geezers, including the ones in Congress, to just die.

Sorry, I think we're going to have to wait this one out. Out with the old, in with the new... unfortunately that's going to take a couple of decades. But by then Chong will be out of jail and selling bongs again (for tobacco use only), so it's all good.
 
2003-09-11 04:58:05 PM
hey, i bet lots of people bought a bong made by tommy chong just because its a cool thing to have - i would have done, if i'd known he sold them. i think theres got to be something missing here, either ashcroft it completely bigoted and insane, or theres a reason why.
was he dealing too? or what? 9 months for selling bongs doesnt make sense, when RIZLA+ are huge and sell king size skins (and we dont make rollups that big, do we?)
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 04:58:20 PM
Loose_Stool:

As about as believeable as a glass of red wine a day, huh?

Well, for some people pot is an effective pain reliever, for others, a mild anti-depression medicine, others yet, a muse that has helped generate the art, music, physics, mathematics, computer sciences you see today.

That does not mean its right for everybody.
That, in turn, does not mean it should be illegal.
 
2003-09-11 04:59:14 PM
Are you telling me that smoking pot a couple hours a day is good for you?


Good for my stress/blood pressure? Yes.

Good for my lungs. Probably not.

Good for my brain? Neither good nor bad.

You're mocking me...but you have made some outrageously stupid statements on this thread including threatening to kick my french(?)/canadian a$$ (ooooooohhhh....scary) , saying that pot kills brain cells, saying that the govt would make more on taxes from selling cannabis than they do prohibiting cannabis....all of which can be easily proven false from many sources, many of which have been posted in this thread as links.

Maybe that trip you're planning to the liberry is a good idea..?
 
2003-09-11 05:00:46 PM
Look people as a former stoner I have seen what happens to people who make smoking pot a major focus of thier lives. I have seen peple throw their lives away for nothing but the stupid high you get from it. I've seen friends kicked out of school, jailed and even killed (yes killed on a subway platform in NYC, asked the wrong guy for a dime bag and was robbed stabbed and left for dead)over pot.
Is it worth it. I say no.
I cleaned myself up and realized there is more to life.
 
2003-09-11 05:01:36 PM
A couple of things:

#1. "Pass The Dutchie" by Musical Youth is not really a dancehall song (I don't want to get into a debate about the definition of "dancehall" here, because it's irrelevant). The thing about that song, though, is it's about a cooking pot. It's a cover of "Pass the Koutchie," meaning pass the pipe and when they got the kids in Musical Youth to do it, they changed it to "dutchie," which is a cooking pot. Useless trivia.

#2. Chong looks royally pissed in that picture. Understandably. The guy in front of him out of focus looks vaguely like old-school Alex Trebek, back when Trebek still had the moustache.

"I'll take bogus prison sentences for $200, Alex."

I can't believe this is for real, but I gotta say, I'm glad I'm not a Yank, that's for damn sure. You poor bastards have the biggest asshole of all time as a President....and Ashcroft is just as bad.

I was actually in Cuba at the time when there were the debates about Ashcroft being appointed by Bush back in 2000 or whenever it was...we had stolen satellite TV from the States in our hotel, which was awesome, and I kept thinking "this guy is farking TERRIFYING."

People keep talking about how Canada's on its way to decriminalization, and I sincerely believe it'll happen in the next few years...but I still feel nervous walking down the street with a joint in my hand.

FREE TOMMY CHONG!
 
wib
2003-09-11 05:01:43 PM
Late as always, just like that 13 yo I did while smoking out. Get this: we're both pregnant!
 
2003-09-11 05:02:25 PM
lotonah,

The thing is, drugs are fun. I have a blast every time I take em'. The thing is, when I do take em, I don't rob anybody, I don't kill anybody, I pay my taxes (though not on drugs, as that would be hard), and I'm generally a good citizen. To go to jail cuz I like to crank things up a notch sometimes is counterproductive.
 
2003-09-11 05:02:43 PM
http://sigs.pandorafarmsshar-pei.com/sigfiles/chong.jpg
 
2003-09-11 05:02:47 PM
BTW Bill Wicks Friend you've been arguing with a guy named Loose Stool. Who is the idiot now?
HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH
Stupid French/Canadian stoner
 
2003-09-11 05:02:57 PM
Bf+ wrote:

"lotonah, you are evil."

Whatever. Geesh.

""My point is, drugs are being glamourized too much.""
"True-- just look at tv commercials and doctor's offices: Xanax, marinol, etc."

- Couldn't agree more!

""Daily, I see too many lives that are totally farked up because somewhere in their lives they thought it would be "cool" or "fun".""
"What? Which drugs are you talking about?"

- All types, but almost everyone I've talked to got started with booze, and/or weed, likely because it was readily available.

""people ... mugging other people, murders...""
"Now you're talking about behavior. NOT drugs-- what the?"

Yes, and the behaviour that I'm mentioning is being fueled by their need to be able to afford more of whatever substance they need...booze, drugs, gold-fleck spray paint, whatever...

""And don't tell me that dope is harmless. That's complete BULLshiat, and I've seen it with my own eyes.""
"Lier!"

- Okay, dope is harmless. Sure. Right. With the logic that you've provided, I can't argue...the lives that I've seen flushed down the drain aren't proof to me at all. They all woke up one day and said, "I think I'll try heroin", or "I think I'd really like to try meth!". Come on, they all started from something. I'm not saying that getting rid of weed will make all the addictions go away, it's a WAY bigger problem than that. Likely, the people that got started with dope would probably have found that same path with some other substance. I'm sick of people saying that weed doesn't have consequences, or addictive properties, etc. because it DOES.

""Both of my sisters have dependency problems...""
"Again, behavior. Pot is less addictive than aspirin. Why do you think pot had anything to do with it?"

-Hmm, because I've never seen them spend their rent money on aspirin. You've presented a bullshiat statement, based on the pro-marijuana propoganda that I've been seeing a lot of lately.

""There are strange people coming and going all day and night, some "normal" looking, others looking like thugs or junkies. ""
"OK, from behavior to appearance. Drugs should be illegal because you don't like the look of certan people? Do you mean mexicans? That was the original racial stereotype associated with cannabis."

-WTF? Oh, so now I'm a racist? Were you stoned when you wrote that? ;)

""My wife has become afraid to go anywhere without me now, she won't even go downstairs to get the mail alone.""
"Agoraphobia-- behavior."

-Ummm...no. That's a real fear, based on real events that have happened in our neighbourhood. There are REAL people being hurt in what was once a really nice neighborhood.

""So do I have the answers? No. Not even close.""
"Then why such a strong opinion?"

-I can't have a strong opinion without an answer? What about frustration? What about anger? I'm disgusted with what I see every day. It sickens me to think what we're doing to ourselves and our society. And it sickens me to think that other people choose to look the other way and see everything decay around them, because they've found their own escapism.
 
2003-09-11 05:03:08 PM
Loose_Stool,

Just cause you and your friends were dumb enough to lose yourself in the drug doesn't mean that it should be illegal. People die every day in a car, but that doesn't mean that we should get rid of them.

Your experience is not the norm.
 
2003-09-11 05:03:29 PM
Hmm, so he broke the law and now he has to face justice. And the problem is?
 
2003-09-11 05:03:32 PM
 
2003-09-11 05:04:18 PM
 
2003-09-11 05:04:18 PM
Snakeyes


Please please please explain to me WHY, just WHY dammit that we can't legalize the damn drugs and just tax the fark out of them.

/repeat statement on Fark that has never been answered to my satisfaction


because the american goverment feeds the drug dealers at the highest levels for every drug harder than marijuana, they need pot as a buffer.

sad but true.
 
2003-09-11 05:04:50 PM
"2003-09-11 05:00:46 PM Loose_Stool


Look people as a former stoner I have seen what happens to people who make smoking pot a major focus of thier lives. I have seen peple throw their lives away for nothing but the stupid high you get from it. I've seen friends kicked out of school, jailed and even killed (yes killed on a subway platform in NYC, asked the wrong guy for a dime bag and was robbed stabbed and left for dead)over pot.
Is it worth it. I say no.
I cleaned myself up and realized there is more to life."

I agree, making pot smoking a major focus of your life tends to be a bad thing. Same with Alchohal, Pain Relievers... Well any addiction really rarely ends up good.
 
2003-09-11 05:05:03 PM
aenemated you know ... whether you like it or not, it's farking ILLEGAL. period. say what you will about 'its just pot' or whatever; the fact remains that it's against the law. it might be stupid, but it's still AGAINST THE LAW. god. what the fark don't you stupid bastards understand about that?

You know, Ford manufacture vehicles that can be used illegally to exceed the speed limit. Why don't we (well, US) lock up all Ford employees?

and gun manufacturers...

and anyone selling baseball bats...

Chong was selling devices that *could* be used to smoke gear.

Yet, it's still legal to buy Rizla's and loose tobacco, and "Sherlock Holmes" pipes...

/I am NEVER going to live/work in the USA
 
2003-09-11 05:05:08 PM
sad.

WTF is up with our gov't
 
2003-09-11 05:06:02 PM
Fark It,

There is a big different between Justice and the enforcement of laws born from misinformation and lies.
 
2003-09-11 05:06:05 PM
Sorry to butt in, but..


Does pot affect your decision making for the better?
If not why do it?
Is it worth the risk?
Is it worth losing your car, your house, your job or your family for?
No? then why do it?
Alcohol gives prety much the same affect and is legal.
Why take the risk?


It doesn't, first of all, have the same effect. Its completely different, and from my past experiences (not a smoker anymore), much better.

Why take the risk? Because i should be able to. That's the entire point of debate. My right to pursue happiness as i please, without infringing on the rights of others. Why is that a hard concept for you to grasp?

But then again, i pegged you for an idiot when you claimed that canadians have no right in this topic.


2003-09-11 04:42:08 PM lotonah


Tigger,

I don't care what any "study" says, I've seen the effects first-hand. While almost everyone I know has tried it a couple of times, and only a dozen or so have moved on to regularily try harder drugs, almost all of them that I've talked to says that they only tried harder drugs because they were "farked up, high, and (their friends) were passing it around".

I don't think that banning anything is the answer. I think that media companies have to take a second look at the product that they are putting out. I also think that people have to stop and think about what they are doing to themselves and those around them. I personally don't do drugs at all, because I have a history of alcohol problems and I know that I have an addiction problem. I also know that addiction problems of all types riddle my family and I don't want that to happen to me.


Correllation != causation. Just because some people who are predisposed to taking drugs (read the study), doesn't mean that all people are going to move on. I know literally hundreds of potheads who smoke pot and contribute to society, a good number of them very successful. Maybe, and no offense here, your family members have some problems that they used drugs to escape. Unfortunately, they chose their path, all they can do is try to fix it.

Your family's bad choices shouldn't predicate laws to nanny the rest of society. What's next, censorship?
 
2003-09-11 05:06:14 PM
I dont smoke and never will...

But this is wrong, he did not sell anything prohibited by law except under the word paraphanelia (which could be anything)....

Anyway my state has done a good job eradicating weed... and what happens another much worse drug moves in (crystal methanphedamine). Thank you Federal government for really "helping" our towns. Now our schools are full of really messed up kids that can't concentrate and have no self control. Another big win Ashcroft... you should be proud
 
2003-09-11 05:08:15 PM
The problem is that the suit-and-tie-wearing, gawd-fearing, easy-listening-music-loving, stock-market-playin', war-mongering, cocktain-drinking, Lincoln Towncar-driving, oil-industry-loving, environment-destroying, "law-n-order" GOP-types get some kind of huge boner whenever some "little-guy" gets punishment for breaking their beloved, sacred taboos.

It's too bad. Many of those in the '60s who were protesting the "establishment" have now become "sellouts" and are getting extreme joy out of picking on the little guy.

I wish someone would grab Asscroft, spirit him away to a secret hideout, duct-tape a headet to his head playing NOFX at top volume, and destroy bibles and carry out satanic rituals right in front of him, just like what they did to the guy on Clockwork Orange or Nineteen-Eighty-Four.
 
2003-09-11 05:08:40 PM
Prison...for...

The Boobieser said it best: Land of the Free. What hopeless horsecrap this country has become. I didn't read thru 537 posts, but I'm sure the relevance of cigarettes and liquor's legality and destructiveness came to light. Jesus the stupidity of our laws never cease to amaze me, as do the idiots in charge of the system who continue this madness.
I don't smoke pot. But today I'm going to. Screw you, America.
 
2003-09-11 05:10:02 PM
Fark It Hmm, so he broke the law and now he has to face justice. And the problem is?

...the failure of some people to see the world in non black and white terms?
 
2003-09-11 05:10:09 PM
It sounds like your friend was murdered because marijuana is illegal, not because of marijuana.

The reason criminals are involved with drugs is because drugs are criminalized.

Overuse and Abuse of any substance -- Pot, Alcohol, Food, Pr0n -- you name it -- can be unhealthy and dangerous.

As a former stoner, you should recognize that pot has both good and bad qualities and that the true crime is that the thing ruining people's lives is not the plant -- it's the laws that make that plant illegal.
 
2003-09-11 05:10:20 PM
I have to wonder why he plead guilty. Is he trying to make some kind of point?
 
2003-09-11 05:10:33 PM
lotonah The beauty of a truely free society is that you can choose not to partake in any particular activity. Others have the freedom to participate in any activity, as long as the only harm done is to themselves. The idea of any law which is enacted expressly for the purpose of "protecting someone from themselves" is simply ludicrous.

If your sister became a crack-whore, you can rest assured that there were far more serious contributing factors (screwed up family life, lack of education, personal irresponsibility, abusive brother, etc.) than simply smoking pot. Smoking pot didn't cause or even contribute to her current lifestyle problems. It was a result of it.

Loose Stool You're an idiot. Please find another hobby that doesn't involve the exposure of your retardation to the general populace.
 
2003-09-11 05:10:43 PM
Sorry but republicans have always been harsher on drugs. Carter at one point almost had it legalized until one of his staff was found with a bunch of coke and qualludes. Clinton may have threatend doctors, but did he raid legitimate state approved medicinal cannabis clubs? no

God forbid a cancer patient find some relief. God forbid people smoke a plant that makes them euphoric.
 
2003-09-11 05:10:57 PM
He's going to be treated like a king in prison...
 
2003-09-11 05:11:04 PM
2003-09-11 04:47:19 PM Loose_Stool


alias
No pot kills brain cells (which can not be replaced)and not all alchol gives you a hang over if you know how to drink.


Pot doesn't kill brain cells, homey. Liquor does.
 
2003-09-11 05:11:23 PM
Loose_Stool


BTW Bill Wicks Friend you've been arguing with a guy named Loose Stool. Who is the idiot now?


Just checked.. You're still the idiot. Congrats on not relinquishing your crown.
 
2003-09-11 05:11:26 PM
Tigger,

I don't want to get into a big list of media companies and their movies/television/music that glamourize drugs. It's too long, and I don't feel like taking up the McCarthy-ist role here.

I'm not talking about direct advertising of drugs. Every time that you see or hear about someone enjoying drugs, that's an indirect advertisement. It's nothing as blatant as a billboard or such, but it's there.

I'd like to think that there are more people out there that have self-control, and self-responsibility, but lets face it...there's always going to be a percentage of people out there that are impressionable. Or just don't care. Or have given up on life.

Bleh, I've argued too much about this today. I'm worn out, so I don't really have an end point here.
 
2003-09-11 05:13:16 PM
Who is the idiot now?
HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH


It's still you.
 
2003-09-11 05:14:31 PM
don't want to get into a big list of media companies and their movies/television/music that glamourize drugs.

again it's not their responsibility not to - it's your responsibility to be sensible.
 
2003-09-11 05:14:32 PM
2003-09-11 05:00:46 PM Loose_Stool


Look people as a former stoner I have seen what happens to people who make smoking pot a major focus of thier lives. I have seen peple throw their lives away for nothing but the stupid high you get from it. I've seen friends kicked out of school, jailed and even killed (yes killed on a subway platform in NYC, asked the wrong guy for a dime bag and was robbed stabbed and left for dead)over pot.
Is it worth it. I say no.
I cleaned myself up and realized there is more to life.


And for most pot smokers there are more things to life. But the choice to smoke it is my own, not yours. I don't need a babysitter.
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 05:14:51 PM
lotonah

Would you agree the gist of our argument is "the gateway effect?"

"but almost everyone I've talked to got started with booze, and/or weed, likely because it was readily available."
" Likely, the people that got started with dope would probably have found that same path with some other substance. "

"-WTF? Oh, so now I'm a racist? Were you stoned when you wrote that? ;)"
I don't know, but I didn't mean to imply it.
ALL prohibitions have been fueled by an organized religion associating it with a stereotype of some sort. The marijuana tax act included. Seemed similar to your association of marijuana and these non "norml" looking people ;)

"What about frustration? What about anger?"
They are excellent tools in undermining science and logic.

Do you also believe in booze prohibition?

"They all woke up one day and said, "I think I'll try heroin""
All of them?

"Hmm, because I've never seen them spend their rent money on aspirin"
Aspirin isn't pricefixed at $400/oz.
 
2003-09-11 05:14:52 PM
all ya'all...

I know it isn't a documentary, but you might want to watch Traffic if you haven't already.

Great freakin movie.
 
2003-09-11 05:15:03 PM
Your brain has THC receptors. This means that "God" hardwired your brain to get high off weed.
 
2003-09-11 05:15:15 PM
Time to debunk some myths...

Pot users all wake up and decide to use crack on a random Sunday:
http://www.rand.org/hot/press.02/gateway.html

Medicinal pot movement is a ploy by stoners so they can get high for free:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03189.pdf

Marijuana breaks you brain:
http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/70/80972.htm
 
2003-09-11 05:15:23 PM
I just continue to fail to see how people can argue for frugs being illegal. It's not like making them legal means you /must/ use them. It just give you the choice to do so. I would think that republicans would be for this - have never understood that. And for all those of you arguing that the use of drugs is immoral - I would really like to see a formal logic proof of that (and you might want to define the word "morality" while you are at it).
 
2003-09-11 05:17:16 PM
Your brain has THC receptors. This means that "God" hardwired your brain to get high off weed.

There is no God.

/Caddyshack
 
2003-09-11 05:17:42 PM
Free Chong biatch! !
 
2003-09-11 05:17:47 PM
enough with the AudioEdit bashing.

Nobody cares that you don't like it.
 
2003-09-11 05:18:09 PM
I own FREECHONG.org and am willing to donate the domain to the person or group with the best use for it. Let me know..
i­nfo[nospam-﹫-backwards]gn­o­h­c­eerf­*n­e­t
 
2003-09-11 05:18:30 PM
Guys:
Off subject but its the 1st I've seen it on the net. Pizza man blows up. Link goes directly to download of mpg. Not too gruesome, but still, ewwwwww

NSFW, NSFW, NSFW and once again NSFW

http://www.elliotinthemorning.com/videos/blowup.mpg

Anyone else seen it before?
 
2003-09-11 05:19:35 PM
We are currently going backwards folks. I'm sad and disgusted by the morality police who have decided to uphold their own definition of what constitutes a crime.

I quote Peter McWilliams:

"A CONSENSUAL CRIME IS any activitycurrently illegalin which we, as adults, choose to participate that does not physically harm the person or property of a nonconsenting other.

Does this mean that consensual crimes are without risk? No. Nothing in life is without risk. The fact is, we're all going to die. Life is a sexually transmitted terminal illness.

Consensual crimes are sometimes referred to as "victimless crimes." Alas, every scoundrel committing a real crime of extortion, fraud, or embezzlement declared it a victimless crime, attempting to argue that a crime without physical violence is also a crime without a victim. Everyone who has been robbed with a fountain penor computer terminalrather than a gun knows that's not true. Another group claiming protection under the victimless crime umbrella are those, such as drunk drivers, who recklessly endanger innocent (nonconsenting) others. Just because no one actually got hit, it was okay to go seventy miles an hour through a school zone. Not so.

Meanwhile, all the intolerance mongers, attacking a bona fide consensual crime, maintain the crime does so have a victim. ("We're all victims!" is one of their favorite phrases.)

It's hard to find any activity in life that does not, potentially, have a victim. People who live in Florida may become victims of hurricanes; drivers of cars may become victims of traffic accidents; and each time we fall in love we may become the victim of someone tearing the still-beating heart from our chest and stomping it into the dust of indifference. (Sorry, it's been a hard month.)

Check out this site too:

http://www.freestateproject.org/
 
2003-09-11 05:20:27 PM
1. People who ruin their lives over pot would have ruined their lives anyways.

2. Your brain has THC receptors, that is why weed gets you high. Compare this to the legal high of alcohol, which comes from KILLING your brain cells.

3. God is a farking myth made up and believed in by simian shiatheads. Religion is the single most damaging element in our culture.
 
2003-09-11 05:20:47 PM
aenemated The problem is the law that they are using to put Tommy Chong in jail is an unjust law. First it punishes the manufacture and distribution of materials that have the potential of commission of a crime. Other such companies are are not punished for the same issue. How many gun makers are put in jail when their guns are used in a crime?

Another case of the use of this law is a small company here in Atlanta that sold hydroponic supplies was shut down a few years ago. Its owner was sentenced to 5 years in jail and fined half a million dollars. The reason for it was because their equipment was found in a house where pot was being grown. The fact that 90% of their customers were legit, or that the owner did not know what his customers were using the equipment for did not matter... and was supressed by the prosecutors.

Its not a war on drugs, its a war on personal freedom.
 
2003-09-11 05:25:11 PM
I'll refer you all to my earlier brilliant posts. Just hit Ctrl+F and search for Hood until you come to them.
 
2003-09-11 05:25:11 PM
Wow, what a flame war.... Get it? weed, Flame! ahhahaha...
/still hasnt put joint down..... Hands it to TheHood, Yellowbeard can hit it....
 
2003-09-11 05:25:41 PM
me. i'm a law abiding christian, and i even think this is stupid, first make weed legal, hell, tobacco and alchohol are legal so i dont see the problem.
 
2003-09-11 05:29:02 PM
The biggest lie of all is that marijuana is a gateway drug. There is no greater detriment to judgement and inhibition than intoxication by alcohol. Yet for some reason alcohol is legal.
 
2003-09-11 05:29:10 PM
Pre-Traumatic-Stress

Hey, man, pass that shiat on down.
 
2003-09-11 05:29:42 PM
this is so wrong on so many levels - just anothre warning sign i guess (as if we need anymore in the US these days).

pffffst.
 
2003-09-11 05:29:51 PM
You know... I think we should just make FUN illegal. That would just cut right to the chase, I think.
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 05:30:16 PM
kchee* kcheeee* ere, ere.
 
2003-09-11 05:30:27 PM
Shiatty poverty ridden neighborhoods are THE gateway drug. I'm not seeing a real war on these.
 
2003-09-11 05:31:21 PM
Dodger,

Yes, and this is the wonderfull-ness of duality. One part of me wants to totally irradicate whatever vice or behaviour that I don't agree with, and the other part of me yells bloody murder when any of the freedoms that I do enjoy get put to the test. Sigh.

Like I've said in other posts on this topic, I don't have an answer. I don't even have a real suggestion, I'm just mad.

Maybe if my sisters had an abusive brother, they could've had some sense smacked into 'em ;) But I'm not like that. For the record, they didn't become crack-whores, just chronic pot-smokers. It hasn't destroyed their lives, but their lives could be so much richer. Literally (financially) and figuratively as well. Yes, they probably would have found a different crutch, but it doesn't make me stop hating this *particular* crutch.

Yes, I know LOTS of people that have normal, productive lives and smoke. Some only a couple of times a year, some every weekend or so, some every day. Some people can't cope without it, for whatever reason. It may sound like I'm recanting here, but I'm just frustrated, and I know there isn't a right answer. When I saw people on here going on about how injust this is, it just triggered anger in me. I've had good laughs over Cheech & Chong, Half-Baked, etc., but when I saw this article, it just reminded me about the people I know who emulated this crap, and then I wrote my little venomous piece.

Blah. I'm rambling again.
 
2003-09-11 05:31:28 PM
It's great to see so much common sense on this site..

Freedom to fail, freedom from zealots, freedom to live without governments help or hinderence. It's that simple.


No more crimes of consent.

Decriminalize: Drugs, prostitution, gambling.Its silly to try to stop them anyway.
 
2003-09-11 05:32:00 PM
Gen. Apathy,

cool video!

see kids! thats what happens when yuo smoke teh pot!
/obvious

I was surprised (disappointed) that there was no blood and guts.
 
2003-09-11 05:32:04 PM
I have helped fund, and sponsor global terrorism.

*puff*

It's 420, do you know where your bong is?

*puff*

fark GEORGE BUSH, fark ASHCROFT (the asshole who can't even beat a dead guy in his home state for senate), fark THE REPUBLICANS,

*puff*

I won't even get started on how asnine this whole 'operation pipe dreams' is, we already know that.

*puff, puff, snort, cough cough cough*

Ok, i'm high now, peace brothers.
 
2003-09-11 05:33:14 PM
2003-09-11 05:30:27 PM McRat


Shiatty poverty ridden neighborhoods are THE gateway drug. I'm not seeing a real war on these.


OOoooh, man, sounds like you hit the nail on the head!

*Swish* 3 points for McRat!
 
2003-09-11 05:33:21 PM
It's been said before, but I'll say it again...


LEGALIZE IT!!!
 
2003-09-11 05:34:40 PM
LedZeppelin2301
Harumph harumph
 
2003-09-11 05:34:59 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again...

MIND OVER MATTER!!
 
2003-09-11 05:36:26 PM
Marijuana prohibition all stems from a 1914 Texas law that prohibited the possession of marijuana because it caused Mexicans to become stronger, insane, and to lust after white women.

Nice to know that the precedent laws that birthed federal marijuana prohibition were so enlightened.
/sarcasm
 
2003-09-11 05:37:29 PM
Did Loose_Stool leave?

Dang. I was having fun chatting with Mr. Ashcroft's not-so-bright nephew.
 
Bf+
2003-09-11 05:39:15 PM
He probably toked up, mellowed out, and thought about it.
 
2003-09-11 05:40:28 PM
to the one who wondered, I take the time to roll my own cigs. 2 oz of tobacco for about $3.

I get some really funny looks when I pull out my zip lock bag of Golden Virginia tobacco and spin a cig. I think I might buy a water pipe just to smoke tobacco in public places. Good laughs.
 
2003-09-11 05:41:47 PM
hassenpfeffer, BurnDown99, SirLoins, Shepherd, tickr, RylNalyevo, BigW:

Thank you all for your kind and informative responses .. you told me exactly what I wanted to know :)

 
2003-09-11 05:41:51 PM
Oh, and i forgot to add earlier:

The majority of negative side affects from smoking weed are as a direct result of the fact that it's illegal. People don't get killed in a subway over tobacco or alcohol, nor do they get kicked out of school for smoking, (they do for drinking, but only if underaged, college kids certainly don't -- i'm living proof) People go to jail because it's illegal, the government spends billions of dollars that could be used to fight terrorism, or even fund Big Brother's 87billion dollar "Eeraki" (iraqi) reconstruction plan. Too much bullshiat for such a harmless drug.
 
2003-09-11 05:43:49 PM
Yeah - what he said.
 
2003-09-11 05:44:55 PM
In the end, the Drug War, along with many other chronic problems facing the world, is rooted in a dark natural tendency to fear people that are different.
 
2003-09-11 05:45:33 PM
Cannabis causes me to lust insanely after white women.

...and black women.
....and asian women.

No wait....not cannabis.

HORMONES / TESTICLES cause me to lust insanely after women.

Ban hormones. Ban testicles.

Won't somebody please think of the children?
 
2003-09-11 05:45:45 PM
Help free Chong through shameless merchandising!

As Klum says, Free Chong Biatch!

Free Chong in your wifebeater!


/venture into capitalism
 
2003-09-11 05:45:46 PM
I find it depressing that people still resort to the argument "If it's the law, it must be obeyed/enforced, regardless of whether or not it's right." Am I mistaken, or are people supposed to be afforded the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? In many states, sodomy is a crime. In many states, oral sex is classified as a form of sodomy. Are these laws enforced? No. If they were enforced, would there be public outcry? You bet your ass there would. It's the same situation here. Whether or not you decide to use drugs, that's a personal choice. It doesn't infringe on the rights of your neighbor, of your local concerned parents organization, or of John Ashcroft. Anti drug legislation is unethical, wrong, and it goes against many of the assumptions that this country was supposedly founded on. Telling someone they should stop complaining and work to get the law changed is wrong - they shouldn't have to.
 
2003-09-11 05:47:13 PM
i-likes-maple-syrup


Your brain has THC receptors. This means that "God" hardwired your brain to get high off weed.


well.. not exactly now. the brain has endogenous ligands that are very similar to the cannabinoids in marijuana (the thc).

The neurotransmitter that naturally triggers cannabinoid receptors is anandamide. Anandamide is a relatively recently discovered neurotransmitter that plays a role in pain, depression, appetite, memory, and fertility. For all intents and purposes, THC produces pleasure by mimicking anandamide.

So the brain doesn't neccessarily have a 'marijuana receptor' it has a neurotransmitter receptor that gets acted upon by THC because it's so naturally similar to the anandamine in the brain.

still nice stuff though.
 
2003-09-11 05:48:00 PM
You know when your mouth is getting dry........
............
...........
..........
.........
........
.......
......
.....
....
...
..
.
You're plenty high.
 
2003-09-11 05:50:09 PM
Fiver: no shiat, but try condensing that down into a sound bite.
 
2003-09-11 05:51:00 PM
maple:

ahh. touche.
 
2003-09-11 05:53:26 PM
Meanwhile, Kenneth Lay gets away scott free with million$ of dollars in fraudulent and "stolen" cash, probably the most successful criminal of our or any other era.

Apparently, It helps to have friends in high places, what else is new?
 
2003-09-11 05:53:39 PM
in response to Visualingo's post-
That bastard stole my idea! I don't have any way to make a logo, but mine would've looked much cooler than that. A picture of Chong similar to that famous Che Guevera poster/t-shirt with "FREE" above the picture and "CHONG" below it. Damn it all to hell!
 
2003-09-11 05:54:22 PM
Whew, just got "the call".

The chronic is in da house! Was getting down to the corner of the baggie. Fellas, not to brag, but I can get the KILL BUD.

Poor Tommy. I like that one guy's idea about buying a bong(waterpipe) and smoking it in public (with tobacco). I can see the cops lining up right now. You could even get some of those legal "herbs" that look and smoke like weed (of course the cops would throw your in the tank for a bit just to make a point).
 
2003-09-11 05:54:39 PM
I just like how I saw this thread at 0 posts a while back and now its to infinity and beyond...

\Pot represents big.
 
2003-09-11 05:56:47 PM
Gen. Apathy

Hey man, share that shiat! Don't just show off and brag about your good stuff, you're makin me drool! Pass it on over this way maaaaaaaaan!

We should start another rotation anyways, who has ever heard of being "too high"?

ha

what a ridiculous concept!
 
2003-09-11 05:58:10 PM
Fiver-

So what he really meant was that God created a plant that let you experience delicious amounts of anandamide naturally.

FREE CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 06:00:40 PM
chipaku,

If you go to the end of the mpg they slow it down a bit and you can see some stuff happening, but again, not too gruesome. Still say "ewwwwww".


If you missed it:

Guys:
Off subject but its the 1st I've seen it on the net. Pizza man blows up. Link goes directly to download of mpg. Not too gruesome, but still, ewwwwww

NSFW, NSFW, NSFW and once again NSFW

http://www.elliotinthemorning.com/videos/blowup.mpg

Anyone else seen it before?
 
2003-09-11 06:02:24 PM
Everyone knows Bongs are used for TOBACCO ONLY!!! Anyway...im glad to see they grabbed Mr.Chong while some ABC reporters smuggled some uranium in from Jakarta. *sleeps safe at night*

(sorry if someone already brought this up, im to lazy to read through infinity)
 
2003-09-11 06:03:13 PM
LedZeppelin2301,

I love to share bro! You near Ohio? Should have a Fark party near here. I'll bring da shmoke!


I'll party with anyone that has LedZeppelin in their name!
 
2003-09-11 06:03:50 PM
Comedian Tommy Chong has been sentenced to nine months in federal prison and fined $20,000 for selling bongs and other drug paraphernalia over the Internet.

9/11/03
NEVER FORGET
 
2003-09-11 06:06:37 PM


Bummer
 
2003-09-11 06:08:14 PM
Sweet. Zeppelin kicks hardcore ass!

I'm in omaha dude, just back from florida, i'm hurtin,

Florida = Good Buds
Nebraska = shiat!

Recently cut back from a 1/4 oz/day habit, too expensive.

IT'S ALMOST HARVEST SEASON TOO!! YAAY!
 
2003-09-11 06:09:21 PM
Hey, is that pizza man shiate for real? I watched and read the story on another site. WTF, this has got to be a fake! how come I didn't really hear much about it?
 
2003-09-11 06:11:08 PM
Microbe:

Because you must live in a cave.

It was all over the news, and it's for real. trippy shiat eh? Conspiracy theories are-a flyin'.
 
2003-09-11 06:13:13 PM
If I'm elected President I will make marijuana legal and golfing illegal. Anyone could possessing golf clubs will go to federal prison.

/just to annoy the anti-recreational-potsmokers who are recreational duffers.
 
2003-09-11 06:13:57 PM
LedZeppelin2301

I was "too high" once in Amsterdam. Ate space-cakes and smoked my head off and thought that we'd been sitting at the bar for about 10 minutes -- a brief lull in conversation -- until the coffee shop owner told us it ws 3am and closing time...we'd been sitting in silence with half-drunk milkshakes in front of us for almost 3 hours.

too high.
 
2003-09-11 06:17:26 PM
With the suing and terrorizing of the 12 year old girl who liked Urkel so much she had the Family Matters theme song on her computer, and now the imprisonment of an elderly man who sells glass over the internet, I have to say this was a great week for justice - in complete farkup bizarro land.
 
2003-09-11 06:18:03 PM
Yah, that happened to me once, i don't consider it 'too high' thou. I get 'too high' when i make little cocktails, or especially when i used to do the nastiest of all nasti nasties (year clean, btw, i'll go ahead and pat myself on the back for that one).

The first time i ever hit a bong i was smokin 550/oz stuff, and didn't know it was good shiat, i cashed an entire bowl (about six hits) and then proceeded to puke for eight straight hours (no lie) I suppose that could be consicered 'too high' too, but i was a rookie, that's never happened to me since i've reached the 'veteran' status.
 
2003-09-11 06:19:14 PM
Holy crap, he's old! When the hell did that happen?]

But he's a dangerous criminal. He's responsible for the deaths of... um... well, it's illegal, so it must be bad, right?

I don't even smoke the stuff, and I think this is asinine.
 
2003-09-11 06:19:52 PM
Im'a have to smoke a bowl for him.
 
2003-09-11 06:21:09 PM
2003-09-11 05:53:39 PM Radiojay37
That bastard stole my idea! I don't have any way to make a logo, but mine would've looked much cooler than that. A picture of Chong similar to that famous Che Guevera poster/t-shirt with "FREE" above the picture and "CHONG" below it. Damn it all to hell!


I actually did that at first, but then I read CafePress's rules. I'd hate to have made money and then CafePress took it all!!!!
 
2003-09-11 06:22:20 PM
LedZeppelin2301

Omaha. Sorry man. If they have a fark party half way, I'm there with the Chronic.

Yes, good bud in Fla. Dry in Nebraska? Sorry, you have my sympathies (really).
 
2003-09-11 06:23:15 PM
No wonder, I was on vacation in S.D when this happened. I can't believe it. HOLY!!!
 
2003-09-11 06:23:53 PM
Hopefully you younger farkers around here (and elsewhere) are getting your lifetime lesson of why it's bad to put conservative religious zealots in positions of governmental power. We've been through this crap before. I can only hope the country finally learns its lesson once and for all.

Repeat after me: the 2004 elections can't come soon enough.
 
2003-09-11 06:25:34 PM
Of course if everyone who ever smoked weed just said fark it and went out and smoked in front of the police, the jails would fill up pretty quickly.
This should be an organized endeavor cause just a few stoners getting busted wouldn't accomplish anything.
However there'd be very little getting done in the day to day jobs of hundreds of thousands of people.
If the law tells you that it's wrong to harvest tomatoes, are you just gonna sit back and cry about the lost pizza sauce or are you going to do what is reasonable.
geez, i'm rambling here.
Irritated and unfocused by the irrationality of our elected officials.

Free Tommy
 
2003-09-11 06:25:39 PM
This has to be a joke.
 
2003-09-11 06:27:11 PM
400 dollars an ounce?!?! where the hell are you people at? round here it's like 50 bucks for an ounce.
 
2003-09-11 06:28:42 PM
FREE CHONG

Now to end the thread... or make it continue to go down ( as per the rules of the recently re-discovered "Godwin's law" )...
Somebody is a Nazi... In fact if you don't agree with me you are....

Ok... thread over.

--Turvey
 
2003-09-11 06:29:11 PM
Silly monkeys...
 
2003-09-11 06:29:31 PM
You people need a revolution.
maybe you should have followed al quada's lead!
:D

just joking, FBI! please don't take me away in the middle of the night!
 
2003-09-11 06:29:34 PM
Radiojay37
From CafePress:

NO photos, logos, caricatures, or other artwork depicting celebrities, such as Michael Jackson or Madonna, or other third parties. Just because you take a photograph of a celebrity does not give you the right to use that photograph on merchandise, even if you digitally manipulate the photograph.

Weak. It was looking half decent too. I'm too lazy to get it made myself.
 
2003-09-11 06:30:03 PM
Mother should i run for president?
Mother should i trust the government?
Mother will they put me in the firing line?
Or is it just a waste of time?

Yes
No
Yes
Yes/No/hopefully not
 
2003-09-11 06:30:48 PM
I've never been too high. Although once when I was tripping (you see this guy had a hit or 2 and didn't want to trip alone so I ate one - it was free so what the hell, right) I left the party with a friend to go smoke some weed he had at his house (not enough for all at the party) and when I went to go back to the party (I drove), I was soooooo F-ed up.

The weed kicked in the trips and I was peaking bigtime.
It was great! Me and my friend had a big laugh on the way back to the party, trying to make it through busy traffic.

Makes me smile now when I think back. Endangering the lives of others in traffic, sweet....


But seriously, anyone think that if more ppl smoked weed there would be less war, child abuse, domestic violence etc...?
 
2003-09-11 06:31:30 PM
this is farking disgusting

i hope tommy chong is revered inside prison as well
 
2003-09-11 06:31:48 PM
Bush administration enfocing clinton administration laws. Both are to blame get it right you dunderheads. fark both partys go out and vote next election
 
2003-09-11 06:33:05 PM

Yes! Score one for me! Let's see, next on my list of things to start sending people to jail for- selling lighters, matches, or products that may possibly produce fire, including flint & steel, magnifying glasses and fat women wearing polyester pants.

I also have a very impressive list of known notebook paper suppliers and soda can manufacturers, for when we want to go after the high school rookies. We'll get every last dope fiend if it's the last thing we do! Eat that Chong! I'm going off to drink myself within an inch of death to celebrate!!!

P.S.- All terrorists: go ahead and infiltrate us again anytime. We're too busy suing each other over sharing music and nabbing those cursed potheads to notice. You should note that all MP3 players containing pirated music will be confiscated upon boarding any plane.

 
2003-09-11 06:33:18 PM
You people need a revolution.

Before the revolution comes the revelation.
The insanity hasn't dawned on enough people yet, three/four-letter-expletive.

/still thinks this is a joke. The lawyer in the photo looked too much like Bill Clinton
 
2003-09-11 06:33:24 PM
 
2003-09-11 06:37:41 PM
They should put that biatch betty crocker in prison as well for selling brownie mix which can be used in conjunction with the evil weed. I mean if a BONG, a piece of glass.. contributes to the national drug problem, certainly brownies do as well. While they're at it, why don't they outlaw fire.. cause without fire, how would you light?

Yet in many other countries, weed is perfectly legal.. and they're not going to war with every other country on the planet. America NEEDS a few weed naps.
 
2003-09-11 06:39:42 PM
DimeBagDarrel


$50 an oz?

What kind of weed is that? Or are you buying quantity?
The good stuff has been going for 400/oz in some places (farking robbery) - it more expensive than gold ppl!

I got the connect. Stinky, green, sticky, crystal-covered, red-haired, seed-less, buds. Nuggets O' Weed.

And yes I've got a good job (law firm) - pot actually helps me stay focused and gives me a creative drive. Nothing like reveiwing patent/trademark disputes while stoned.

You have to be high to practice law. Especially corporate like me.
 
2003-09-11 06:47:15 PM
hang on .. everybody is missing the point.. . this is all about going to prison for making glass bongs, yes, GLASS bongs.
you cant get high with a bong.. you need weed.
so, once all of the bongs are gone, they should go after apples, empty pop cans, syringes, aluminum foil, empty capsules, papers, grow lights, soil, fertilizer, water, grow pots, poppy seed bagels, rollers, brownie mix, pipe cleaners, "regular" pipes, pink floyd, lighters, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on
 
2003-09-11 06:49:25 PM
TheNextDimeBagDarrell


You're in Texas?

That's weed from Mexico, yes?

MWAAAAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHHAAAAAA

(deep breath)

HAA HAAAHAAAHAAAHAHAAAAHAAA

(whew)

/pot snobbery

sorry.
 
2003-09-11 06:52:22 PM
(*#$&(*&$)*(#&$ FARKING FED's. I would not spit on one if they were laying on the side of the road dying of thirst.
Karma will come around and these people will pay the price for being hypocritical a$$ wipes....
 
2003-09-11 06:52:49 PM
Ken Lay walks free, not even investigated.
Old hippy sells pipes and does time at taxpayer expense.

That's everything you need to know about Justice In America.
 
2003-09-11 06:57:46 PM
I FIGURED IT ALL OUT.

No, seriously. I know how this conviction came about, why this case proceeded as it did, and why Chong rolled over so easily.

If anyone has actually made it down to the bottom, check my LJ: http://www.livejournal.com/~occultobscura

I'm not whoring - after an hour writing all that up, I'm NOT retyping it. :-)
 
2003-09-11 07:00:12 PM
That is one seriously farked country you have there, guys. My condolences.
 
2003-09-11 07:00:23 PM
Bill_Wick's_Friend
I've had plenty of locally cultivated stuff here in Austin that was better than the Romulan I toked in Marc Emory's office.Of course, it would go for a lot more than $50 for an oz.

On topic- this thing they did to Tommy is a travesty of justice.

PS- I'd like to give a shout-out to all the spooks reading- GO USA!!
 
2003-09-11 07:00:42 PM
2003-09-11 02:20:46 PM ThankYouMaskedMan
Smoke a fat bowl full for Tommy, man.
What about "That 70's Show"?

That actually isn't an issue. He already wasn't coming back. I think he was asking for all sorts of cash and they didn't bite. He mentioned it on loveline not long ago.
 
2003-09-11 07:06:57 PM
Dude, it's getting to so that's easier to buy pot than it is to buy a waterpipe or papers. I guess I'll just have to do more baking; or have they outlawed brownie mix because it could potentially be used for drug consumption?
 
2003-09-11 07:08:52 PM
This is very bad.
 
2003-09-11 07:09:03 PM
Vote for my administration.

1. Nobody goes to jail for marijuana possession or growing and everybody in jail for marijuana possession or growing goes free. If you are in for other things as well, too bad. You stay in.

This frees up jail space and save millions, if not billions.

2. Corporate criminals get the same kind of sentences that marijuana users and growers got.

This makes corporate criminals think twice and maybe even improves the business climate. At least investors would trust business a little more. They would know that illegal business ventures caused major jail time for corporate criminals.

3. No more wars of aggression. Sorry, but spending $200 billion on a war instead of spending $200 billion to combat the reasons for the war is just stupid.

4. FREE CHONG!

5. Profit!!!!
 
2003-09-11 07:12:33 PM
Oh yeah, Loose_stool, you're a total square.
 
lbn
2003-09-11 07:18:10 PM
Not comepletely off-topic:

Rae Dawn Chong's boobies (NSFW)
 
2003-09-11 07:25:36 PM
Okay that's it! fark this administration. I mean come on people. WAKE UP! They just threw Chong in jail. farking Tommy Chong. 9 months. This is a crazy, farked up world we live in.
 
2003-09-11 07:28:56 PM
Legalize it.
Tax the hell out of it.
Pay off our national debt in like 3 yrs.

I thought I heard something awhile back that this strategy was actually gaining ground in some conservative republican circles, of all places. They could appreciate the civil liberty issues and were drooling over the tax benifits.

Free Chong!
 
2003-09-11 07:31:19 PM
What's wrong with selling drug paraphernalia anyway? You Americans have such an uptight bunch governing your land. Send Tommy to Canada instead of jail!
 
2003-09-11 07:32:08 PM
what the fark was up with the guy exploding in the mpeg? who was that? what did I miss?

oh yeah. Fark the RIAA.
shiat wrong thread

Fark Bush? (is that right?)
yes and no.

FARK ASSCROFT!
Finally got it right.
 
2003-09-11 07:33:30 PM
BEST.EDMONTONIAN.EVER
 
2003-09-11 07:39:29 PM
Nice write up Wiz. I believe your reasoning is sound.
 
2003-09-11 07:41:25 PM
What a bunch of hippies.

It's Tommy farking Chong. Who gives a shiat. He's like 70 years old. Good for him! All hippies should get their asses pounded in prison atleast once in their lifetime.
 
2003-09-11 07:42:01 PM
You know your trivia, I_rish.

See ya at The Black Dog sometime.
 
2003-09-11 07:47:07 PM
Mochunk--
Thats the only reason I wathced that crap.

Chong was on "Loveline"?, was he actually giving ouot advice to people about sex and stuff?
 
2003-09-11 07:53:00 PM
You wanna know something that really irks me. As you can tell from my name, I live in Austin. About 3 months ago I had the pleasure of meeting Jenna Bush. And got high with her. On some really dank chronic I might add. So while Cowboy Bush is off throwin' people like Chong in jail, his own farking daughter is smokin the same shiat he's bustin everyone else for. Goddamn motherfarker.
 
2003-09-11 07:54:32 PM
Too bad chog wasn't woosy and the judge wasn't drinking Vodka.

/see Up In Smoke
 
2003-09-11 07:54:59 PM
Ken lay and Jerry Fastow have yet to see the inside of a jail cell. But Tommy Chong goes to jail, oh and the RIAA sues 12 year old girls. Are you conservatives happy? You got the America you voted for!
 
2003-09-11 07:59:00 PM
austin_hippy

Pleeeeeeeze tell me that:

a) your Jenna Bush story is true

2) you have some sort of photo or video of the event

iii) you plan to sell it or give it anonymously to a media outlet.
 
2003-09-11 08:06:42 PM
ooohhh, just 2 more years of college. then i'm OUTTA HERE. love my country, farking hate my government...sigh.
 
2003-09-11 08:10:13 PM



This is what I wanted to sell...
 
2003-09-11 08:21:16 PM
No doubt that this is a purely malicious prosecution so a government hack lawyer can justify his budget, but it's not Bush's fault, it's not Ashcroft's fault. It's the War on Some Drugs that's been going on at the request of all political parties for decades. As if the Democrats will change this? Yeah, let's vote in a Democrat president! We can smoke weed, while we surrender to global terrorism.
 
2003-09-11 08:25:24 PM
waxy

Sorry, this story has everything to do with Asscroft.
 
2003-09-11 08:29:09 PM
When baliff took him away to prison, this was the vehicle that they used.



Subtile?
 
2003-09-11 08:30:13 PM
Has anyone else noticed that it's basically only the two parties in our "two-party" system that are against the legalization of herb? Pretty much EVERY other third party from the left (the Greens) to the right (the Libertarians) are for legalization.

It couldn't be that the demoblicans and republicrats are in the pockets of companies like Phizer and Phillip Morris could it?

No, just couldn't be.

I hope Asscroft contracts a horrible disease that results in his slow agonizing death!
 
2003-09-11 08:30:22 PM
From that link I just posted:

"Quite simply, the illegal drug paraphernalia industry has invaded the homes of families across the country without their knowledge. This illegal, billion-dollar industry will no longer be ignored by law enforcement."

- John Ashcroft
Attorney General


WTF?? God damn that guy is a freak!

(yelling, now) HOW THE FARK HAVE THEY INVADED "FAMILIES' HOMES WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE"????

Can someone please explain this to me? It just doesn't make any sense. More fascist double-speak that sounds great if you're a "throw all those damn hippies in jail" moron, but if you actually think for yourself, well...

I gotta leave this whole thing alone for a while. I'm getting really pissed off.

Once again:

VOTE.THEM.OUT!!!!

PLEASE!!!!!
 
2003-09-11 08:31:17 PM
Stupid country.

USA, the land of the free, as long as you don't do anything we don't want you to do.

Screw this place. I'm not proud to be an American, I'm damn ashamed of it.
 
2003-09-11 08:33:02 PM
Confabulat
Stupid country.

USA, the land of the free, as long as you don't do anything we don't want you to do.

Screw this place. I'm not proud to be an American, I'm damn ashamed of it.


I agree completely!
 
2003-09-11 08:33:18 PM
gonzee,


That was the pizza guy who was forced to rob the bank with the bomb "collar" around his neck.

Robbery went bad, for the pizza guy.
 
2003-09-11 08:35:43 PM
 
2003-09-11 08:36:41 PM
waxy

In addition to fatassbastard's link, a repost:

You are completely wrong about this having nothing to do with Ashcroft. The justice department put out a concerted effort to go after head shops and websites selling pipes and bongs, whereas the Justice department under Clinton didn't. Don't you remember? An article was posted on Fark the day the Feds started shaking down all the shop owners.

In addition, the feds are now aggressively pursuing "indecency" laws, i.e. trying to arrest people making pornography. They typically go after these people in the Bible Belt because it's easy to get a jury that thinks that stuff should be outlawed, and that other individuals should not be allowed to see that sort of stuff no matter what they think.

Clinton's cabinet did not go after head shops or adult book stores. Clearly in the wake of 9/11 the Bush Administration has its priorities set straight to fight terrorism; close the head shops and porno shops! They're a threat to America!

This has everything to do with Ashcroft.

 
2003-09-11 08:37:44 PM
drug wars...
copyright wars...
jailing tommy chong and fining 12yr olds.. god i hate this place. and they wonder why americans like drugs.. its the only escape most of us have from a tyrannical society of morons.
 
2003-09-11 08:41:51 PM




 
2003-09-11 08:42:39 PM
Yeah when Ashcroft was AG of Missouri (I think - it was some southern state, not important) he tried to have ALL pornography/adult entertainment made illegal (including strip clubs!).

farking Christo-Taliban fundy idiot.

No pot, no sex, just worship the corporate idol. This is what The Bushjie wants. More jobs through tax cuts right. Oh yeah, jobless claims are up for the third month in a row. Tax cut will produce jobs soon - GWB promised it would. Meanwhile the Republican party outsourced their campaign work to India!!!! Learn to love the curry!

Let me explain it to you:

This is the way Capitalism is suppose to work! Those who have had the skills to be born with great lovely gobs of capital or have clawed their way to the top pay politicians to send the sons and daughters of the working classes to fight for the interests of the multinationals. The same multinationals they use to maintain and bolster their wealth! The same multinationals that have abandoned the working class Americans themselves! This is also a good thing. For the proper working of an economic system there must exist a small elite who have the ability, talent, and moxie to exploit the rest of us. This is called labor flexibility and is a requirement for the efficient working of a moral system like Global Corporate Capitalism.

In fact, allowing our own corporations, which are legal fictions, created by us in their current form in the 1800s, the FREEDOM to completely control foreign policy is the only way OUR CURRENT ECONOMY CAN WORK. Nothing should touch the holy flow of corporate capital around the globe! NO MATTER WHAT USES IT IS PUT TO AND NO MATTER WHAT DAMAGE IT DOES. The only thing we, as good Americans, should do is sit back and allow our corporations to dictate the where and how of the expanse of the American empire. An empire that will ensure the continued flow of HOLY HOLY HOLY capital to those that need it most -- the super rich.

Remember:

A believer in the unfettered corporate-centric global economy believes that what's good for the executives of American multinationals, their rich shareholders, and the financiers who make big bucks dealing with them is good for America in general.

A non-believer is a piece of foul-smelling shiat with flies buzzing around it who is so silly that he and/or she actually LIKES the idea of a general prosperity!

I'll put this here for those who need it:
/sarcasm
 
2003-09-11 08:44:25 PM
It never ceases to amaze me the stupidity of Rupugnicans. The right wing idiots just don't get the big picture. Their corporapolitical masters steal elections, defraud millions, even billions of dollars from the citizenry, lie and cheat their way into profit motivated wars, blatantly destroy our civil liberties, and the minions are too farking stupid to see it. Ashcroft needs a bong-hit and a blowjob more than anyone in this country, and instead he puts curtains on statues and is afraid of cats. What a farkin looser. It would be sad if it weren't so scary.

FREE CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 08:45:24 PM
I bet they lured him down from the Great White North (Canada) where pot smoking is legal just to try hime here in this country.

I'm going to move to Canada where pot is legal, Kazaa is not "stealing", and Cartoon Violence is still rated G or Y, not this PG/Y7 crap where Tipper Gore is worried about all the Billy's and Mandy;s that like making fun of each other.

The best music comes from the GWN, eh.
 
2003-09-11 08:51:27 PM
bubbles_nw2003
If you decide to go with a Canadian,remember that Canadians can legally enter same sex marriages... ;)
 
2003-09-11 08:51:40 PM
Yet another example of abhorrid state of the nation. If you ask me, which im sure someone would, the key is in putting local people in power and taking over states. There have been numerous cases where states get pissed off at federal legislation and pass laws contrary to federal ones or just sue the government.

Case in point many of the north eastern states being very upset about the recent decision to repeal the laws applying to power and industrial companies requiring them to upgrade they're pollution controls as they upgrade their facilities. Because all the states in the NE are effected by all the shiat that the south and midwest puts out.

Or the efforts of western states (California and Nevada) to legalize medical marijuana despite Ashcroft being a cock about it.

Or you can talk about how many communites passed resolutions in opposition to the Patriot Act, the War on Drugs, the War in Iraq, etc., etc.

The bottom line is that the people do not control the country. When polls show that 60% of people cant identify a SINGLE Democrat running for pres. (but more than likely can tell you anything about the stupid farking reality shows rotting peoples brains everynight.)

And its unfortunate but people dont do jack, dont care until, A they're smart enough to see how it will effect them (or how it could), or B it biatch slaps them in the face and they have no choice but to do something about it.

Argh now im upset...
 
2003-09-11 09:07:39 PM
STOP THE PRESSES!!!

They took off the "girls like pron" thread!

\runs away in desperation
 
2003-09-11 09:10:39 PM
2003-09-11 04:42:08 PM
lotonah


Tigger,

I don't care what any "study" says, I've seen the effects first-hand. While almost everyone I know has tried it a couple of times, and only a dozen or so have moved on to regularily try harder drugs, almost all of them that I've talked to says that they only tried harder drugs because they were "farked up, high, and (their friends) were passing it around".

I don't think that banning anything is the answer. I think that media companies have to take a second look at the product that they are putting out. I also think that people have to stop and think about what they are doing to themselves and those around them. I personally don't do drugs at all, because I have a history of alcohol problems and I know that I have an addiction problem. I also know that addiction problems of all types riddle my family and I don't want that to happen to me.


You have a history of addiction? then don't take the drugs and neaither should anyone else in your family. Good for you, you've taken the initiative. But that goes for everyone else too, and it's not because they tried it once at a party or because it's glamorized, they chose to keep doing it knowing the consequences and their addiction. The drug has nothing to do with it. It is the PEOPLE who are farked up, they just happen to take the drug. I know you'd rather protect yourself rather than facing the fact that you know a bunch of fark-ups, and live in a crime ridden area. Drugs don't fark up lives. People do. It just happens that a lot of fark ups like to escape by using drugs--why should we ban it because a lot of people can't cope? let's ban sex and food too because people use that to cope everyday as well. There are a ton of people like you in America today, in denial. Their friends or family or even themselves get hooked on drugs, and instead of putting the blame on the individual they demonize the drug--you know you don't even have to put the blame on the individual, work on fixing the horrible addiction disease, but for the love of God leave us drug folk alone.
 
2003-09-11 09:14:04 PM
Hahahaha, You liberal punks aren't going to do shiat, just like last time & the time before. You see we got god on our side & every white scared assed Christian will vote for us 'cause we tell 'em to by playin' the game! Muhahahaha.....
 
J
2003-09-11 09:16:31 PM
Just one more reason to fear, hate, and distrust the government. Way to go, assholes.
 
2003-09-11 09:23:02 PM


No matter how long they keep me in here, they'll never get my secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices! Do you hear me? NEVER!!!
 
2003-09-11 09:57:38 PM
Yesterday, in Charleston, a guy serving probation for killing a guy (got it knocked down to manslaughter) shot his 24-year-old ex in the head, then shot her 2-year-old daughter in the head, then turned the gun on himself as a 3-year-old boy looked on.

And then people run around complaining over why our prisons are so crowded.

Let. Pot. Smokers. Out.
 
2003-09-11 09:58:57 PM
I think I'm going to head down to my garage, fire up the lathe, and belt out a few dozen more one-hitters.

And then I'll muse over a few facts for the "Patriots" out there:

George Washington, father of our Country, grew hemp. There is evidence in his journal that he was not growing it for rope fibers, but rather, that he was breeding it for THC potency. (ample analysis links on the net. Google "George Washington Hemp".

The Bible says, in Genesis, that every "seed bearing plant is yours to do with as you will" - Neither God, nor Jesus ever said not to smoke pot - and the New Testament had a few passages written by Paul, which recommends one avoid drunkenness. (but not that drinking should be banned outright).

Bill Clinton smoked pot, but he was too spineless to admit it.

George Bush snorted coke, but was too spineless to admit it, and there's evidence that he went AWOL in the Air National Guard in order to avoid taking a drug test. He won't admit that either.

The Republican Party platform specifies that they prize and defend a less centralized government power, and greater state's rights and "home rule" - yet in cases where state referendums have reflected the will of the people to legalize pot, (Arizona, more recently, California, and Oregon - in fact, Arizona has "stamps" one can buy to cover the taxes owed on the sale of pot - posession is still illegal)) Republican politicians have stepped in and prosecuted LEGAL use of marijuana, in violation of their party platform, and the will of those who elected them.
 
2003-09-11 10:01:12 PM
Did John Ashcroft pass the drug laws?

/confusion
 
2003-09-11 10:02:19 PM
For those still in this thread, here is a more informative article on CNN.com.
 
2003-09-11 10:04:33 PM
ReBurninator

*sigh* Did you really read any of this thread? Please scroll down a bit and find the link to "Operation Pipe Dreams" I posted. Then read the post by tallguywithglasseson a bit later on.

If you still don't get it, I really can't help you.
 
2003-09-11 10:09:22 PM
You know, he looks good for a 65 year old.

Cheech looks good, too, for an old man.

Maybe this dope smoking thing is good for you.

/Old Jamaicans be lookin' good too, mon. :D :D
 
2003-09-11 10:12:53 PM
Met Chong once. Really nice guy. I mean, really, really nice guy. There is no justice. I must join the chorus.

FREE CHONG!!!
 
2003-09-11 10:12:55 PM
austin_hippy

You wanna know something that really irks me. As you can tell from my name, I live in Austin. About 3 months ago I had the pleasure of meeting Jenna Bush. And got high with her. On some really dank chronic I might add. So while Cowboy Bush is off throwin' people like Chong in jail, his own farking daughter is smokin the same shiat he's bustin everyone else for. Goddamn motherfarker.


C'mon, give Bush II a break. He's a reformed drug user himself. You know they are the hardest on people because they reformed, everybody else should.

/I do it myself, on cigarette smokers.

/Still pissed at that CIA guy who blew up the Harvard Post Office and wrecked the video of Jenna getting naked on campus.
 
2003-09-11 10:15:47 PM
Its too bad we dont have some kind of stoner rallying call or potheads unite signal. We gotta vote man, we gotta vote!

\not even registered
 
2003-09-11 10:21:29 PM
this is about the stupidest thing ever.
this government is forcing me to change my opinion on things.
 
2003-09-11 10:25:09 PM
Did anybody tell Ashcroft that a guy just boarded himself up in a crate and got by all Ashcroft's 'Total Information Awareness-Patriot Act-War on Terrorism-Homeland Security-$200 billion budget' Ass?

WTF? Doesn't Ashcroft have better thing to do? No, I'm sorry. That shouldn't be a question. That should be a statement.

Ashcroft, you have better things to do than fark around with a Canadian selling bongs. Not selling dope. Selling bongs. :P :P :P
 
2003-09-11 10:30:47 PM
Remember cyprus hill?

Just like Cheech and Chong
frontin with an ice cream
Cypress Hill is here
to give you a nice dream

I only got that reference now
 
2003-09-11 10:33:02 PM
hello sillies
nothing wrong with the h e r b
it's no big deal
it will be a big deal
until people stop treating it
as anything important
 
2003-09-11 10:36:21 PM
I'm registered to vote as a Republican. I'm voting Democrat in '04. This coming from a guy who was one of Clinton's harshest critics (although in hindsight, I've flip-flopped on that opinion after seeing what the Bushies did once they got control.)

I'm a student of German history, and (Godwin Alert) this is WAY too similar to the dying years of the Weimar government.
 
2003-09-11 10:37:47 PM
i got a couple other things id like to throw in prison....

the whole catholic church: i rolled a joint from a bible page once...most foul tasting joint ever..it felt toxic...

reynolds wrap: how many times you done this?

ireland or idaho: yup ive made holes in potatoes and smoked weed through them...

the earth: make whole in ground...smoke through hole...put earth in jail for being a bong...

the cops: they provide the tickets(aka rolling papers)...i provide somthing to roll in them..

all lamp manufacturers: its where the metal bowl parts come from...

the US mint: i snort lots of coke with hundred dollar bills....

every car manufacturer: how do you think i get this stuff?


fark amerikkka...
 
2003-09-11 10:40:14 PM
Simulord

I was exactly in your shoes too. Registered Republican who's seen the error of his ways now that Bush is in power. Hell, three years ago I was one of Bush's biggest supporters.

Now you couldn't pay me to vote for him in 2004. Don't know about Democrat, but no way I'm votin' for the neo-con, lock-ya-up, punch-ya-in-da-mouth-if-ya-don't-agree administration.
 
2003-09-11 10:42:03 PM
Sad day for Americans, in more ways than one. Murderers of 3,000 roam free, and Chong is behind bars.
 
2003-09-11 10:44:45 PM
 
2003-09-11 10:45:20 PM
Oh yeah, another FACT:
Bill Clinton appointed a surgeon general who advocated legalization of marijuana.

As soon as she opened her mouth, of course, the Republicans howled for (and received) her resignation.

Yes, marijuana legalization IS a partisan issue. The Republican Party is the enemy. The dems are just spineless.
 
2003-09-11 10:46:02 PM
According to that CNN story, Chong had a pound of grass at his place.

Who cares? It's farkIN' TOMMY CHONG?

Would you expect anything less?

He's 65 goddamn years old. Leave the poor guy alone.
 
2003-09-11 10:46:40 PM
FREE CHONG
 
2003-09-11 10:48:58 PM
"Yes, marijuana legalization IS a partisan issue. The Republican Party is the enemy. The dems are just spineless."

You're right... because any Democrat who stands up against it will most likely ruin his political career.
 
2003-09-11 10:57:04 PM
All the potheads should gather together (puff puff puff) and, oh and bring those laser pointer thingies and ( puff puff puff) and point them at (puff puff puff) Ummm where was I going with that?? Never mind, I am proud to be Canadian.. Oh ya and FREE CHONG!!!

/there is a pot cafe three blocks away..
 
2003-09-11 10:57:26 PM