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2003-09-11 03:26:26 PM
wheatweasel

IXNAY on the Unneybearhay!!!

*grumble**grumble*
 
2003-09-11 03:26:47 PM
joemahoney

I am waiting for your retort sir.
 
2003-09-11 03:28:31 PM
Here's another odd thing (if anyone's still reading at this point):

Kazaa and Morpheus effectively evaded prosecution for copyright infringement because their programs were not EXCLUSIVELY for trading copyrighted material and their licensing agreement said "you agree that you will not use this for illegal purposes." Regardless of the fact that nobody uses Kazaa for trading stuff that's in the public domain, their defense was accepted because their software is not solely for illegal purposes.

You can smoke tobacco out of a water pipe. I know people who do. You can also smoke catnip, chamomile, or shisha (arab flavored tobacco, tasty) out of 'em. So why is Chong convicted, given the precedent in the Kazaa case?
 
2003-09-11 03:28:49 PM
Too bad Chong didn't include a free sample of (safely contained, of course) anthrax with each bong. Or, hell, sell the anthrax and give away the bong with each purchase! Do you think Ashcroft would have gone anywhere near this case if that was so?

O
 
2003-09-11 03:29:17 PM
joemahoney

Once somebody purchases a bong or whatever, it's up to them what they use for it. It does not matter who sells it, as long as it's being sold under the connotation that it's for tobacco. Go into a headshop one time. You'll not see anything about pot. There will be nobody talking about pot. If you mention pot, you'll most likely be asked to leave, depending where you go. Your argument is to just fark the same laws that are keeping marijuana illegal and to shut down these places which are working under a legal pretense.
 
2003-09-11 03:30:06 PM
RingToll
Pot is a self defeating cause. Those most in favor of decriminalization or legalization are too laid back on their couch to go out and protest for it. They have the same problem as 'procrastinators rights' proponents.

I beg to differ. I have been going to the Washington, DC "Smoke In" for 12 years in a row. I can assure you that there are LOTS of people out there protesting. Maybe next 4th of July you can get off of your couch and come join us?
 
2003-09-11 03:30:07 PM
a little more info about the raids

I had no idea drug paraphernalia was illegal, crazy.
Nine months in a federal prison seems harsh, as I believe they have no time off measures or parole. You would think even in light of TC breaking a minor law they would have settled for fines and not jail. I voted for Bush but this Ashcroft really has to go.
 
2003-09-11 03:30:19 PM
2003-09-11 03:17:21 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress


joemahoney
1. Speeding. Everybody has done it, and I am sure that you are no exception. A speeding automobile can kill, weed cannot.

2. Tax evasion. Common, you know you didnt claim EVERY penny.

3. Child porn. Even if you wont admit it, you have looked at porn. Let me tell you, they were not all really 18.

/I rest my case your honor


#1 Going 10 - 15 miles over the speed limit is not a jailable offense. If I did it over and over again, and drove without a license I might bet put in the clink. But at that point it's about reckless disragard, not speeding.

#2 Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

#3 Ya got me on that one chief. I actually saw a Traci Lords video in college. A year later. she let everyone know she was illegal. Of course, I wasn't breaking the law at the time.

game-set-match
 
2003-09-11 03:30:29 PM
john ashcroft is no good, but the real person to blame is the legislators who allow this phony law to be on the books
 
2003-09-11 03:30:34 PM
Oh sure, but the zig zag man is still at large.

a vote for me is a vote to bust the zig zag man instead.
 
2003-09-11 03:30:42 PM
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that the Drug War is a crime against every man, woman, and child in this country -- not to mention the death and destruction it brings to Central America by the hand of our government and its puppets.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to recognize when the hype (pot is bad, it's addictive, it's a gateway, it supports terrorists, it makes you dumb, it kills braincells, it's laced with who knows what, it makes you a loser...) and the reality (it's benign, you cannot OD on it, it's not addictive, it's not a gateway) don't match.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the people telling the lies have so much to gain from the Drug War (law enforcement/military budgets, chemical substitutes to a natural substance, the US Timber industry, the US prison industry) and so much to lose from simply decriminalizing -- not even legalizing -- marijuana.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that civil disobedience in this country is older than the Constitution, that our current federal drug laws are actually unconstitutional, and that our government's blind refusal to change is not stupidity on its part, but downright dishonesty. They know they're wrong, yet they continue to lie.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out that using industrial hemp instead of wood pulp for making paper and cardboard would be huge environmental win. Using hemp seed oil instead of hydrogenated corn oil (and others) would be healthier and more environmentally friendly in food products. Using hemp instead of cotton for cloth manufacturing would reduce (hell, virtually eliminate) pesiticide runnoffs while lowering clothing costs and creating US jobs (less cost on materials means more profit for US mills).

No, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know this and more. Apparently you have to be and asshat from Iowa to follow the paternal message being shoved down our throats by a government owned by corporations and bent on denying true freedom from the people.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:08 PM
http://www.cjpf.org/nytpara.html

sorry my html skills suck
 
2003-09-11 03:31:17 PM
joemahoney - Heh.

I do agree that civil disobedience loses something if the disobedient whine when they're caught.

On the other hand, I believe that whining is a good indication that something is not right. It's hard for me to reconcile these beliefs, sometimes.

Not here, though. Pot is simply not harmful enough to justify the lengths to which the government goes to discourage its use. It smacks of the Inner Party's mantra, "power for the sake of power". The fact that the government openly defies the will of the people in this regard (see California's medicinal growers,) galvanizes my belief that the war on drugs is not only futile, but evil.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:43 PM
Anyone else find it extremely ironic that the people that want to eliminate cannabis from the face of the earth and burn anyone who dares to use it in any form, are the same conservative Christian types who believe that an infinitely perfect and wise God created everything in the world?

Don't be too quick to whip out your... paintbrush. Up in Alaska (about as conservative and Christian as state as you'll find. Almost as many Baptist churches as liquor stores), we did have a ballot measure that would have leagalized it. It almost passed, too. It probably would have, if the measure hadn't included the use of taxpayer money to reinburse anyone who had previously been busted for pot possession. They got greedy, and that killed it. We'll vote to legalize, but taking my money to pay off someone who got caught breaking the law is not the way to comvince people to vote for your issue.

Alaska. Land of individual liberty.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:47 PM
I am disgusted. I write for a magazine ( www.shortbusmag.com) and we interviewed Tommy a few months ago: what a nice, unpretentious guy. Tommy Chong is an old stoner, not a dangerous felon.

Plus, even though I don't smoke anymore, I really appreciated his beautiful hand blown art bongs. At least his son (who really runs the biz, as I understand it) isn't going to the slam. Yet.

Time to cash in on the "free Tommy Chong" t-shirt craze.
 
2003-09-11 03:31:51 PM
You know, I used to be blind, and think that the Republicans really cared about the country, making government smaller and the like.

Then, I began to see the truth behind the lies, and the carefully backdropped press conferences. Our government sucks. IF the DNC wants to be back in office, they need to open there minds, and see what is happening, then come out with both barrels blazing come election time.

Hit the loss of our freedoms, the invasion of our privacy under Bush and the arrest of Tommy Farking Chong? as ways our government is oppressing us.

I wonder if Bush can feel the minutes he is in office slipping away????
 
2003-09-11 03:31:58 PM
the real person to blame is Tommy Chong fro breaking the law.
Dont do the crime if you can't do the time
 
2003-09-11 03:32:09 PM
We need FREE CHONG! bumperstickers NOW. Right now. As in, immediate-like.
 
2003-09-11 03:32:20 PM
a FOAFOAF smoked out of a 3 footer. has his face embedded in the glass.

so i hear from my friend of a friend of a friend.
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:33:10 PM
2003-09-11 03:30:29 PM paradoxflux


john ashcroft is no good, but the real person to blame is the legislators who allow this phony law to be on the books


I think the people who should get most of the blame are the reactionary morons who think that pot is any worse for you than alcohol or any other legal substance.
 
2003-09-11 03:33:32 PM
If a man goes to jail because he sold something that could be used to smoke pot, then when will we send people to jail for selling bullets that could be used to kill people?
 
2003-09-11 03:33:34 PM
gnosis79 - because Dr. Bong is in the UK?
 
2003-09-11 03:34:15 PM
2003-09-11 03:29:17 PM Astetiks
joemahoney
Once somebody purchases a bong or whatever, it's up to them what they use for it. It does not matter who sells it, as long as it's being sold under the connotation that it's for tobacco. Go into a headshop one time. You'll not see anything about pot. There will be nobody talking about pot. If you mention pot, you'll most likely be asked to leave, depending where you go. Your argument is to just fark the same laws that are keeping marijuana illegal and to shut down these places which are working under a legal pretense.


__
My argument is that he broke laws that are on the books.
He entered a plea instead of fighting the charge.
If you don't like the law, work to change it.
 
2003-09-11 03:34:20 PM
This is the travesty. Que Squirrel Master jokes... ("Nooo Nasty Nate!!!")
 
2003-09-11 03:34:51 PM
WANTED
FOR DRUG CRIMES
CRIMES AGAINST THE STATE
THOUGHT CRIME


If you see this man, call your local law enforcement or the FBI. Do not attempt to aprehend him yourself as he is considered dangerous.
 
2003-09-11 03:35:56 PM
Wow, impressive, almost total agreement on this issue amongst Farkers.

Please, please, please, please vote for whoever runs against Bush and his Nazi minions in the next election. Dean, Kerry, hell even Sharpton. We gotta get these farkers outta there.

GEAH, wow this is like the third issue we've agreed on. Amazing.

And to everyone else wondering about why he posted a picture of Clinton (I voted for him in '96, btw), convictions for marijuana possession doubled under Clinton/Reno.
 
2003-09-11 03:36:09 PM
Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

it's not about the money you make,

if you bought something over the internet and it was shipped from another state you are supposed to pay sales tax in the state into which it was shipped for example.
 
2003-09-11 03:36:32 PM
listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already
 
2003-09-11 03:36:36 PM
You folks saying "It's illegal, you break the law, you go to jail" must be very naive. I don't mean to bait you (honestly), but our legal system just doesn't work that way.
I always knew that, but after working a trial (intellectual property not criminal) last year, I can tell you it's all a big game of politics.

/false objectivity
 
2003-09-11 03:36:40 PM
Arrested for drug paraphrehenrialia?!?!? Doctors can give out syringes, which can be used for heroin. And what about the spoon factories, Bic, reynolds aluminum foil, etc, etc.
 
2003-09-11 03:37:02 PM
Remember Up in Smoke:

"I'm sending you off to Military School with that goddamn Finkelstein shiat kid, sonofabiatch!"



Sing it:
"Mexican Americans, they like education, so they go to night school, take spanish, and get a B..."
 
2003-09-11 03:37:26 PM
joemahoney


#1 Going 10 - 15 miles over the speed limit is not a jailable offense. Ahhh, but what if Ashcroft decided it was? If I did it over and over again, and drove without a license I might bet put in the clink. But at that point it's about reckless disragard, not speeding.

#2 Sorry, I don't make nearly enough money to try to evade my taxes.

#3 Ya got me on that one chief. I actually saw a Traci Lords video in college. A year later. she let everyone know she was illegal. Of course, I wasn't breaking the law at the time.

game-set-match.


Thank you, Yes you could be jailed under certain laws for admitting that you viewed Traci Lords when she was not of leagal age. So there you go, perhaps after bunking up with Chong you might realize that niether of you belonged in a Federal prison....
 
2003-09-11 03:37:31 PM
mightybjorn wrote,

"...You can also smoke catnip, chamomile, or shisha (arab flavored tobacco, tasty) out of 'em..."

Where do you buy arab-flavored tobacco?
It really does not sound tasty at all.
 
2003-09-11 03:37:35 PM
I love reading all the posts in this thread that say this is GW's fault or welcome to Ashcroft's America etc. The drug laws have been on the books for quite some time now. And the law that Chong was charged and found guilty under was not a law that was recently passed.

GW bashing and Ashcroft bashing can be fun, when appropriate. But to insert it into every thread and discussion is getting old. Enough already. Your posts aren't even clever or funny, they're mundane at best.

Fark is a release for a lot of us. We get to say things and take stands that we ordinarily wouldn't take or wouldn't have the balls to take publicly. I hope those that always insert the "It's Bush's fault", "It's Ashcrosft's Fault" argument do a better job bascking your arguments up in the real world where it matters. Or maybe you don't have the balls.
 
2003-09-11 03:37:50 PM
The sick thing is, is that I bet at least _someone_ who was involved in this total farking joke of a "sting operation" watched some Cheech and Chong movies in their life and got a kick out of it, and then they go and arrest the guy.

And for any of this "law is the law" BS that someone might want to propgate. Speeding is against the law, let's just focus all of our resources on catching speeders, eh? It's about what we spend our money over and over doing while other things go neglected. The point being that someone spent a large amount of money to arrested TOMMY CHONG. Yeah that Tommy Chong. WTF good is this going to do anyone? Anyone?... Beuller? If whoever thinks they just made the world a better place because they busted Tommy Chong, then I have no respect for them.
 
xam
2003-09-11 03:37:50 PM
FREE TOMMY CHONG
 
Ant
2003-09-11 03:38:05 PM
IF the DNC wants to be back in office, they need to open there minds, and see what is happening, then come out with both barrels blazing come election time.

Hit the loss of our freedoms, the invasion of our privacy under Bush and the arrest of Tommy Farking Chong? as ways our government is oppressing us.


yeah, but they're to busy creating their own version of the exact same problems.
 
2003-09-11 03:38:32 PM
The US "war on drugs" exists to create a neverending bull market for the international drug trade. All the rest is a red herring.

There it all makes sense now.

How else could this occur: Create an endless supply of untraceable, untaxed money (a worldwide shadow economy), keep 1 in 4 minorities in some phase of legal trouble, and deprive drug felons (overwhelmingly minority despite equal drug usage per capita) of their voting rights and financial aid. Also create a monopoly for the pharmaceutical industry by outlawing their competition, and create an enormous police/prison system (and it's attendant budgets) with entire federal agencies committed to it. As an added bonus, you get to shoot down the occasional plane on suspicion, and spray competing crops/communities with poison.
 
2003-09-11 03:38:36 PM
2003-09-11 03:31:17 PM Scrotar


joemahoney - Heh.

I do agree that civil disobedience loses something if the disobedient whine when they're caught.

On the other hand, I believe that whining is a good indication that something is not right. It's hard for me to reconcile these beliefs, sometimes.

Not here, though. Pot is simply not harmful enough to justify the lengths to which the government goes to discourage its use. It smacks of the Inner Party's mantra, "power for the sake of power". The fact that the government openly defies the will of the people in this regard (see California's medicinal growers,) galvanizes my belief that the war on drugs is not only futile, but evil.


----
Then chnage the law. The time you folks spend on the Internet could be used to start your campaign.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:10 PM
snakeyes:

i'm w/ you on that one. i got an email the other day from NORML (but i can't seem to find the article on their page, so it may have only been in email form) and it talked about how one of the recall candidates in california figured out that he could generate 1.5 - 2.5 billion (that's right, billion) in revenue for the state.

AND

that did not even take into account other revenue that would be generated from increased tourism and other spin off industries.

things like this just waste tax payer dollars. whether you're for pot or against it, it's up to each individual to choose if they want to smoke it - not the gov't. it's my right to choose to drink or not drink, and the side effects of drinking are way worse then those of pot.

and if nothing else, at least go out and get the facts straight for yourself instead of believing all the gov't propeganda. stop being a bunch of sheep!
 
2003-09-11 03:39:12 PM
joemahoney

Dunno specifics about the law in USA, but here in Canada just by admitting in your post that you watched the Traci Lords video you are admitting to a serious crime. No kidding. Really.

If the cops break down your door and charge you with child pornography/pandering/possession of lewd materials/whatever is your "well I broke the law and I guess I'll do the time" mantra going to stick in your throat?

D'ya see my point? not black. not white. shades of grey.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:27 PM
We'll vote to legalize..
It won't matter, the Feds will shut you down in no time flat. If the South had not been so economically reliant on the peculiar institution, the Civl War might have been fought only because the Federal government was becoming a bloated Constitution ignoring beuaracracy...but now we live in a land where EVERYTHING is interstate commerce and national defense. Fehhhhhhhhh.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:36 PM
I don't smoke dope, never have tried it, never will. Yet, I find this absolutely ridiculous.

What kind of resources has the government wasted on this fiasco?

Makes me want to go get an official Oregon medical marijuana card just to protest this waste of taxpayer dollars.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:43 PM
oh and the whole they'd make money in taxes thing doesn't work these days.

Money in taxes is useful for the government as a whole but doesn't do much for individual members of that government (reference deficit for evidence of this in practice). However massive campaign contributions from grateful industries do members of government a lot of good.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:48 PM
holy shiatballs! i wouldnt have even read the article if i didnt read the stupidly written headline more closely.
 
2003-09-11 03:39:49 PM
p.s. FREE CHONG!
 
2003-09-11 03:40:16 PM
listen up people smoking pot is ILLEGAL.
You know and I know it.
If you do it you are breaking the law thats all there is to it.
Grow up already


At one time in this country it was illegal for women to vote or seek public office.

It was illegal for a black person to own property (or vote, or do ... anything).

At another time it was illegal to brew, sell, or consume alcoholic beverages.

At another time you could purchase cocaine over the counter.

It was also once illegal for 18, 19, and 20 year olds to vote.

Once, there was no law prohibiting Bill Clinton from seeking a 3rd (or 4th or 5th) term as President.

Laws come and go. The truth is always the truth. Our drug laws are immoral and wrong and should be changed.
 
2003-09-11 03:40:45 PM
mightybjorn wrote, "...You can also smoke catnip, chamomile, or shisha (arab flavored tobacco, tasty) out of 'em..."


How do you know that it's really arab flavored? Do you know what arabs taste like? They could be ripping you off.
 
2003-09-11 03:41:10 PM
If only the asshat would have choked a little harder on that peanut.
 
2003-09-11 03:41:14 PM
TOMACCO!! TOMACCO!!
*snort*
 
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