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(MSNBC)   So Long Chong's bongs, it's off to Federal Pound You in the Ass Prison   ( divider line
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2003-09-11 03:12:15 PM  
This is EXTREMELY sad. Not because it was Tommy Chong or because it involved drugs. But because he didn't sell WEED, HASH, or any DRUG. He sold Pariphanalia!!!!! (sp?)
Based upon this logic, does that mean that the victims of John Allen Muhammad can sue Colt, the maker the "sniper rifle" used? Same principle. A product is sold, misused, and the MANUFACTURER can be sued?
Ashcroft GET REAL. I can guarantee you one thing, GW isn't getting my vote. Heil Bush!
2003-09-11 03:12:45 PM  
This is enough to make me denounce my membership in the Republican party. Idiots.
2003-09-11 03:12:46 PM  
I give it 10 to 15 years before cannabis is legal in the US. I give it 5 to 10 years before we blow ourselves up.
2003-09-11 03:12:49 PM  
2003-09-11 03:10:14 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress

actually that really was the lamest post ever. If you are trying to say you have never broken any laws, I am sure I could point out at least a few you have broken....

I'm listening...
2003-09-11 03:12:58 PM  
Ok thats it, someone find Ashcrofts email addy so we can fark it up the ass. Why did you fools vote for Bush, look what he is doing. Free eh? yea your going to be as free as Ashcroft wants you to be. Oh well, at least the backlash will bounce those losers from office...
2003-09-11 03:13:19 PM  
you know ... whether you like it or not, it's farking ILLEGAL. period. say what you will about 'its just pot' or whatever; the fact remains that it's against the law. it might be stupid, but it's still AGAINST THE LAW. god. what the fark don't you stupid bastards understand about that?

break a law, get busted, get punished (sometimes). he clearly didn't hire johnny cochran. guess the bidness wasn't going too well.
2003-09-11 03:13:49 PM  
Free Chong!!!
2003-09-11 03:13:50 PM  
Please please please explain to me WHY, just WHY dammit that we can't legalize the damn drugs and just tax the fark out of them.

/repeat statement on Fark that has never been answered to my satisfaction

Cut the legs out from under organized crime, reduce national debt, etc. As to whether or not usage would go up -- depends on your family/friends. I think people take those values in with their mother's milk, anyway.

Seriously, Mr. Government. Build my roads. Field an army. Assist farmers. Provide electricity. But don't infringe on my country, bordered by my skin, and don't regulate trade over said border.

/injects heroin
/it's my life
/...hoooooooooooooooooooooooooome of the brave
2003-09-11 03:14:06 PM  
HEY! fark YOU!

He broke the law.
You may not agree with the law but it's still the law.
Society cannot exhist without laws.
Yes, you are right if you say that we don't enforce all the laws on our books. Maybe we should, obviously we can't.
If you don't like the law, work to change the law.
You can start by writing to politicians. If they won't listen to you then you should run for office yourself. Start at the city/town level and work your way up to state rep and after that you are on to Congress.
Of course all that would require a little work.

And guess what, Ashcroft didn't write the law. Reno's AG office prosecuted more drug offenses in its first two years than Ashcroft's office. She also had time to blow up Waco, shoot Randy Weaver's family, and sent a federal SWAT team to Florida to round up a dangerous 9 year old Cuban boy.
Of course she had a lot of time on her hands, she didn't have 9/11 to deal with.

2003-09-11 03:14:31 PM  
Why the heck are bongs illegal anyway?

I've never tried pot - never intend to, nor any other recreational drug (I am anti-drug), but geez! Can't bongs be used for tobacco, which is legal, or cloves or oregano, which are also legal to smoke? Why should a bong, which is an alternative form of a pipe, be illegal, when it's the substance which is smoked in that pipe which makes the smoking activity legal or illegal? I guess being presumed innocent before being proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is a thing of the past!

This outrages me and I'm a right-winger. I am sick of the current administration. Give us back Ronnie Raygun!
2003-09-11 03:14:43 PM  
This makes me sick. Land of the free my farking ass. Let's put another completely harmless pot smoker in prison, thereby forcing yet another violent criminal out the door early. You got to love america.

2003-09-11 03:14:55 PM  
fark the DEA.
fark drug laws.
oh yeah, fark O.J. too, that murdering fark.
2003-09-11 03:15:20 PM  
Anyone else find it extremely ironic that the people that want to eliminate cannabis from the face of the earth and burn anyone who dares to use it in any form, are the same conservative Christian types who believe that an infinitely perfect and wise God created everything in the world? And that upon creating all of this, 'God saw that it was good'? If I'm not mistaken, this would include cannabis.

To quote Bill Hicks, "It's like saying God made a MISTAKE."

I find this very ironic. Am I wrong?
2003-09-11 03:15:23 PM  
My toke of choice is tobacco--not the cheap stuff but real primo plant. This is the stuff that doesn't make it into any kind of cigarette.

What stinks is that there are some tobaccos that have been essentially bred to be smoked in water pipes (like the traditional hookah). Under the law, event though I would only use them for tobacco, I would own "drug paraphenalia".
2003-09-11 03:15:31 PM  
Im sure Ashcroft was directly responsible for Chong deliberately breaking a rather well-known and obvious law, in fact, I bet he made him do it just to personally see him go to jail. What is with all the Ashcroft hate? Chong broke the law. Chong goes to jail. What the fark does it have to do with Ashcroft?
2003-09-11 03:16:00 PM  

I agreed with your opinion up until "you know ..."

It is perfectly legal to sell bongs and pipes, as long as they're sold without the connotation that they're being used for any illegal narcotic and solely tobacco, which is how these places stay open. Get out into the world, and then speak.
2003-09-11 03:16:26 PM  
Pot is a self defeating cause. Those most in favor of decriminalization or legalization are too laid back on their couch to go out and protest for it. They have the same problem as 'procrastinators rights' proponents.
2003-09-11 03:16:32 PM  
So it looks as though Jerome Baker is next. Check out his website Too bad he made some fine glass.
2003-09-11 03:16:47 PM  
2003-09-11 03:14:06 PM The_Hood
HEY! fark YOU!

I see the rocket scientists are now chiming in from the peanut gallery.
2003-09-11 03:16:57 PM  
My problem with this is that my Justice Department has time to focus on small time ideological garbage like this, The_Hood. You're telling me there's nothing better to be doing? A cop can't be bothered to stop a bank robber because he's giving tickets to jaywalkers?

Reno sucked ass. Nobody liked her. There are no point to be scored by comparing the two.

Unless you're a jackass. Then by all means, continue.
2003-09-11 03:17:15 PM  
All those kids who will remember that they couldn't buy a bong in high-school / college because of Ashcroft will be of voting age someday... When 1/10th of them hit the polls, the Repubs might notice a slight variance in their projections!

/gotta remember to vote...

At least they'll hate Republicans! ;)
2003-09-11 03:17:21 PM  
1. Speeding. Everybody has done it, and I am sure that you are no exception. A speeding automobile can kill, weed cannot.

2. Tax evasion. Common, you know you didnt claim EVERY penny.

3. Child porn. Even if you wont admit it, you have looked at porn. Let me tell you, they were not all really 18.

/I rest my case your honor
2003-09-11 03:17:50 PM  
Yeah, but terrorism money is more oil than pot.
2003-09-11 03:18:10 PM  
The two reportedly have been writing a script for a movie.

That is worthy of its own sad tag.
2003-09-11 03:18:17 PM  
2003-09-11 03:18:28 PM  
fenester the ORSPLTDAAFOPTTFOPWFPG does have a certain ring to it.
2003-09-11 03:18:50 PM  
joamahoney - Would you obey any law?
2003-09-11 03:18:51 PM  
If anyone is still reading this thread, you all should go out and read "Reefer Madness" by Eric Schlosser. It's another 'the drug war is a massive failure for all these reasons' book, but his facts are great and the case is very strong. Makes you want to stand up and, I dunno, grow a weed plant.

Read it. Buy it. Buy 10 copies.
2003-09-11 03:18:55 PM  
2003-09-11 02:48:08 PM DephexTwin

I just bought all this weed! But if I can't buy a bong to smoke it in... oh well, I guess I'll just throw it out.

whoawhoawhoawhoa! Just hold on! I'll be there shortly!
2003-09-11 03:18:56 PM  
Asscraft can go fark himself. For some reason, I don't see how sending Chong to prison helps... ANYONE.

BTW: GEAH, why would they listen to you? They only focus on what Repubs do wrong.
I, on the other hand, can biatch about everyone. ;)
2003-09-11 03:20:26 PM  
Can't bongs be used for tobacco, which is legal, or cloves or oregano, which are also legal to smoke?

Of course they can. It's an absurd logic. By the same logic, 20 oz plastic bottles should be illegal. Me and my friends used em to smoke out of all the time.
2003-09-11 03:20:43 PM  
Bullshiat stereotype. The problem is that the vast majority of us intelligent, educated, working, tax paying smokers have far too much to lose to attach our names to the cause. Especially when the stereotypical types that you mention are all the rest of you can imagine when you think "potsmoker". That's essentially the same as basing alcohol prohibition on the homeless man lying in the gutter with a huge bottle of gin in his hand...I'm sure returning to the days of Constitutionally mandated alcohol prohibition would suit you just fine??
2003-09-11 03:21:08 PM  
You know, its a "waterpipe" it can be and probably has been used for tobacco. At the opposite end, the tire iron in my car can be used to cave Ashcrofts skull in. Will they outlaw tire irons next? Oh wait no weapons are legal. Those little plastic bears full of honey are next on the outlaw list. Technically you can smoke weed out of those as well... If you like and enjoy and defend the Ashcroft, seriosly consider killing yourself and those you have influenced. Thanks...
2003-09-11 03:21:10 PM  
are they going to bust Ziplock for making the baggies? Bic? Joker rolling papers?
2003-09-11 03:21:13 PM  
2003-09-11 03:16:00 PM Astetiks

I agreed with your opinion up until "you know ..."

It is perfectly legal to sell bongs and pipes, as long as they're sold without the connotation that they're being used for any illegal narcotic and solely tobacco, which is how these places stay open. Get out into the world, and then speak.

I get it, he didn't want his products to be used for pot. Why would anyone think that Tommy Chong was selling items that could be used with pot?
2003-09-11 03:21:33 PM  
The funniest thing here is that you (read: some of you) cry out against that but at the same time rabidly support other sides of the same coin. It's not just "Ashcroft"- it's the whole Bush administration and its mindset. How can you complain about them imprisoning Tommy Chong for being cool and yet support bullshiat wars fought for fun and the profit of a few wealthy corporations, the same system that keeps pot illegal?
2003-09-11 03:21:35 PM  
Can we please repeal this country's asinine marijuana laws?

I don't even smoke it (can't stand the stuff), but it's insane that it is criminalized to the degree that it is.

Plus, the government could make a couple billion a year in taxes if they legalized the stuff and imposed a tariff. Then they could order a couple thousand new stealth hovertanks and we wouldn't have to pay for them.

Please, people, do it for the hovertanks!
2003-09-11 03:22:22 PM  
mikemir (if you're still reading)- For quite a long time head shops were being deliberately overlooked by law enforcement. In an article posted on Fark a few months ago, Ashcroft announced that they would no longer be letting this slide, and he would do everything in his power to enforce these laws.
2003-09-11 03:22:25 PM  
I feel much safer now that this dangerous criminal is off the streets!
2003-09-11 03:23:26 PM  
...are the same conservative Christian types who believe that an infinitely perfect and wise God created everything in the world? And that upon creating all of this, 'God saw that it was good'? If I'm not mistaken, this would include cannabis.

God did not create that foul weed known as cannabis! That was Satan's doing!
2003-09-11 03:23:31 PM  
I forgot to add: BOOOOOOO!
2003-09-11 03:24:05 PM  
Color me stupid but didn't he know it was illegal to sell drug gear?
He never hired a lawyer to discuss his companies products and their possible legal implications? Maybe it's just me..
2003-09-11 03:24:18 PM  
I think it's instructive to know that darlings of the left, Clinton/Reno, were just as outrageous on this issue as enemies of the left, Bush/Ashcroft.
Don't you?

Yes, I definitely think it's instructive. It's just not applicable or important to this thread. Well, I guess it's applicable if someone is accusing only the right of these injustices.

But I wouldn't come into a thread about this case and say "farking Reno, that whore. She's oppressing Tommy Chong blahblahblah" because she's not a part of this case, and neither is Clinton.
2003-09-11 03:24:26 PM  
2003-09-11 03:18:50 PM Scrotar
joamahoney - Would you obey any law?

You're setting your trap I see...
To answer your question, No. I would however be ready to face the penalty if I did break the law.
2003-09-11 03:24:47 PM  
Thought they were "tobacco water-pipes".
2003-09-11 03:24:59 PM  
Chong needs a better lawyer!
2003-09-11 03:25:09 PM  
Goddammit! FREE CHONG!
2003-09-11 03:25:41 PM  
Revscat - great pic, but that statue has been covered, uh, draped. So as not to be nekked no more. Go Asscroft.

2003-09-11 03:25:46 PM  

So you're cool with the idea of the law being unequally applied based upon the whims of your police/federal govt?

In a very large way, that is why Canada is changing its policies regarding marijuana. Smokers in Newfoundland were risking jail time while smokers in BC were risking nothing due to selective enforcement of federal laws. Everyone here thinks that selective enforcement is assinine and they're reworking the laws so that everyone is equal under the eyes of the law and penalties are not harsher or weaker for the same charges based upon the juristiction.

Your nation seems to be slipping further away from the realm of equal protection under the law for all. That applies to your drug laws, your PATRIOT Act, your racial profiling etc etc etc.
2003-09-11 03:26:01 PM  
Thank You John Ashcroft for helping to keep my neighborhood safe from dangerous felons like Tommy Chong.

What the hell is wrong with this picture?
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