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(Yahoo) NewsFlash Pakistani scientist arrested over reports that Al Queda have technology to build dirty bomb   (uk.news.yahoo.com) divider line 289
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2001-10-30 10:08:27 AM  
uh oh.
 
2001-10-30 10:08:29 AM  
Religious fanatics with nukes.....yep, we're farked.
 
2001-10-30 10:08:52 AM  
Someone stop setting them up the bomb!
 
2001-10-30 10:08:54 AM  
A "dirty bomb" is not a "nuclear bomb". Those are two distinctly different things.
 
43%
2001-10-30 10:10:51 AM  
Hey Demosthenes is right. That article title is a DAMN LIE.
 
2001-10-30 10:10:55 AM  
It's still shiat though Demos.
 
2001-10-30 10:11:33 AM  
I think this is what they're describing:

http://www.psitech.net/reports/poormansnuke.htm
 
2001-10-30 10:13:08 AM  
hell, I could build a nuke. It's a matter of 1. getting plutonium (which they probably have) 2. having someway to get it where you want it to go boom. (which they don't)
 
2001-10-30 10:14:15 AM  
Not as scary as them being actually able to build a fissionable device.

Dirty Bomb: BOOM! Radioactive contamination for several hundred yards, possibly several hundred people killed.


Fissionable Nuclear Bomb: BOOOOOOM!!! Radioactive contamination for several hundred miles, possibly several hundred thousand killed.




Big difference. But I agree. Still scary.
 
2001-10-30 10:14:27 AM  
Old news. Read this on the weekend. They dont have the ICBM technology to fly a nuke more than 10 feet.
 
43%
2001-10-30 10:15:28 AM  
Ok so screw their civilian casualties. Time to take over and occupy aflanistan and anybody else who gets pissed that we have taken over and occupied them. Massive invasion. Follow me.

Better dead aflan civilians than dead american civilians.
 
2001-10-30 10:15:29 AM  
A "dirty bomb" is not a "nuclear bomb". Those are two distinctly different things.

Your right. However if one of those planes had a dirty bomb in it then all of new york city would have to be abandoned.

It does not kill like a nuke but it does posion the area for just as long.
 
2001-10-30 10:15:30 AM  
Article title changed. Looks like Drew actually reads the articles.
 
2001-10-30 10:16:23 AM  
43%, that's incredibly racist and stupid. Why should an innocent American life be worth more than an innocent Afghan life?
 
2001-10-30 10:16:51 AM  
I think we should give them some of our nukes... straight up the wazoo!
 
2001-10-30 10:19:36 AM  
all your nukes are belong to us. well fark me...
 
2001-10-30 10:19:59 AM  
nuke em
 
2001-10-30 10:20:02 AM  
Well said, 43%. Kill the "human shields" Probably future terrorists anyway.
 
2001-10-30 10:20:47 AM  
WOW !
I wonder how big of a catapult those Neanderthals are going to use to get that bomb over here?
 
2001-10-30 10:20:50 AM  
I just submitted, paraphrasing the wording that Yahoo had. I wasn't trying to confuse the issue, just get the news on.

And to quote Henchman's link :
It only disperses 'a cloud of powdered plutonium oxide, converting the solid radioactive elements into a fine powder, where they are carried outward by the wind contaminating a widespread area with highly radioactive material. The result is panic, sickness and slow death on a mass scale'.
Hmmmmmm, sounds OK after all.
 
2001-10-30 10:20:50 AM  
Seems to me that anyone with enough money can purchase anything if they want it badly enough. Does it stand to reason that if the Al Queda could purchase the makings of a nuclear bomb that they could also purchase the technology to launch the farker? Excuse me, but when the feceshiat the oscillator on September 11th, did no one think of this? BUT I have to point out that if the Al Queda had the bombs and technology to launch them, it's logical to assume that they would've used them already instead of flying planes into the WTC and attempting to spread anthrax all over the US. However, that doesn't rule out the possibilty that they could be working on the nuke. Who the fark knows?
 
2001-10-30 10:21:11 AM  
It does not kill like a nuke but it does posion the area for just as long.

Actually, depending on the materials they use, it could potentially poison the area of impact for much longer.

In an actual fission/fusion detonation, the vast majority of the yield uses up the primary isotopes used in the reaction... i.e., you don't end up with very much residual plutonium or uranium in the area, because it all gets used up to feed the reaction. All you end up with are fission fragments (some of which can be nasty, but most of them are short-lived), a butt-load of activated materials (primarily metals that are exposed to a brief but intense neutron flux), and some ash/dust (commonly blown around as "fallout"). Such a reaction will generally "poison" an area at most for a few years.

But in a dirty bomb, nothing gets fissioned/fusioned, so none of the radioactive material is consumed, just scattered around. If something with a long half-life is used, such as Plutonium or Uranium, the area can be uninhabitable for thousands of years. But in a much smaller, more localized area.
 
2001-10-30 10:21:20 AM  
It's time for some of this.

Throw some of this right next to the cipro in your drug cabinet...Next to the frop....next to the nuggets...
 
2001-10-30 10:21:52 AM  
oh and 43%, they are afgHans, not afLans... mkay? mkay! you are STILL stoopid. better get on the short bus with the long number to colo land.
 
2001-10-30 10:22:32 AM  
Drew, the filter farked up a great line!
I suppose I should've posted "when the feces struck the oscillator".
 
2001-10-30 10:22:34 AM  
Blook, what the hell is wrong with you? Did you ever think that they might have a valid reason for disliking America?

Don't get me wrong; I hate terrorism and would love to see bin Laden's head on a platter. But maybe we need to take another look at what we're doing in the Middle East.
 
2001-10-30 10:22:41 AM  
Totally off subject but when I saw the words "dirty bomb" I automaticaly thought of Larry Flint and Bob Guccioni. I envision a 5000 lb bomb that spews beaver shots and airbrushed pussy all over a muslim country.

on a different note:


"....greatest fear, that Bin Laden will unleash a weapon of mass destruction on the US or Britain".......More like they'll hit Russia, Germany, or Israel. Easier to get to, and more "friendly" countries to pass through.
 
2001-10-30 10:23:48 AM  
Regardless of how much they have or do they have the technology to launch a ICBM at us, they have a weapon of mass destruction. Nobody here would want that thing with in 100 miles of their home. This is bad, these terrorits have shown they will go to great lentghs to cause even the smallest amount of damage. If they do indeed have the capabilty of making a "dirty bomb" the will use it, it is not just a bluff (cold war)
 
2001-10-30 10:23:56 AM  
Demosthenes, contamination would be over a larger area, maybe several square miles. Of course, it all depends on the strength of the bomb itself, but if such a bomb would go off in Manhattan, there could be serious consequences.
 
2001-10-30 10:24:31 AM  
Demosthenes

Your right however it does not have to be a small area its the area that they can get that material into.
 
2001-10-30 10:25:31 AM  
oh to hell with a dirty bomb, give bin laden a dirty sanchez... rm -rf /bin/laden

chix dig unix
 
2001-10-30 10:25:34 AM  
Detonating these "Dirty Bombs" on the USA is like one of the worst things they could do. Think about it. How desperate we would become to put an end to the situation and fast. That equals many nukes over afghanistan which honestly, I have no problem with now.
 
2001-10-30 10:25:42 AM  
An innocent American life IS worth more than an innocent Afghan's life. That's the way the world works.

Look the whole sad thing about this whole situation is if it wasn't for "modern culture" e.g. rapid ground transportation, TV, airplanes, etc., Bin Laden and his Taliban would just be some mad men in the desert.
 
2001-10-30 10:27:04 AM  
"having someway to get it where you want it to go boom. (which they don't)."

"They dont have the ICBM technology to fly a nuke more than 10 feet."

As mentioned, they are not talking about a nuclear bomb here. Although, with the economic repercussions we are facing from losing a hand full of buildings, imagine if we had to abandon an entire major city core due to radioactive contamination. Just a wee bit disruptive.
As for these people that think you need a missile to get a bomb into America, you might want to think a bit. Thousands of tons of junk are shipped into the US every day. The really sophisticated nukes (which they won't have unless they got into the Russian bombs) could be carried into a city in a suitcase. Ever been to NY? You could park a boat with a bomb right off of the island and take out the city with this "dirty" bomb. No need to even set foot on American soil or launch a missile.
All the more reason to take out the bad guys.
 
2001-10-30 10:28:18 AM  
Pericles, MediaMadeMeKill, of course.... I was just illustrating the differences between the effects of a dirty bomb and a fission/fusion device.

Believe me, radioactive contaminants can spread even further. People tend to track them around on the soles of their feet if there are no controls in an area. I've seen it happen, and I've actually cleaned up contamination that got tracked almost a mile from its actual source... all because a dumb-ass shipyard worker didn't scan the soles of his boots after leaving an R.C.A.

Imagine the chaos of an R.C.A. that is several city blocks in size, in a heavily populated area? You'd end up with crap floating around in multiple states if you didn't detain everybody nearby and run them through a decon shower.
 
2001-10-30 10:28:24 AM  
Why should an innocent American life be worth more than an innocent Afghan life?

Its simple some people are just better then others. Are you telling us that your parents life is not as important as some strangers? I would rather see millions of people dead then my own family. They are more important people. I would also rather see millions of other people dead then my own countrymen.
 
2001-10-30 10:28:52 AM  
Yeah, EQAddict, they see us as the gluttonous pigs we have become, and we (or should I say "I") see them as a threat to our gluttonous lifestyle.
 
2001-10-30 10:29:52 AM  
We gotta farking strike hard and right now! STRIKE DOWN THOSE FARKERS!!!!!!!
 
2001-10-30 10:29:55 AM  
EQAddict


Go play EQ and shut the FARK up. My kids are worth wayyyy more than some dirty afghan kid...
The Taliban wouldn't be there if there people didn't support that government...and if their government doesn't give a fark about their own people why should I.
 
2001-10-30 10:30:01 AM  
Sorry.... R.C.A. == "Radiation Control Area" or "Radioactive Containment Area", depending on your education. Both are basically the same thing.
 
2001-10-30 10:30:52 AM  
Hey Demosthenes, are you a janitor?
Just curious...
 
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2001-10-30 10:32:05 AM  
Oh boy FUD!!! I'd love a bigh bowl of FUD smothered in speculation.
 
2001-10-30 10:32:34 AM  
"I would rather see millions of people dead then my own family."

Really? I would sacrifice my life for the lives of millions of people. I'm pretty sure my family would do the same. Is this really how self-centered we Americans are? I guess that's what happens when the American public is isolationist thru apathy for a couple generations.
 
2001-10-30 10:32:43 AM  
EQAddict - But maybe we need to take another look at what we're doing in the Middle East.

Yes they do indeed feel slighted by our politics, but that is not the only problem. They hate our way of life, our freedoms. The way we make trivial things seem so important. The taliban regime has spent the last several years feeding storied to their people of the Evil USA. How we and Isreal are the sole reason that the people of Afghanistan have nothing. It is very similar to what Hitler did in Germany. Pointing blame elsewhere is much easier to do than to change within. After being fed lies and propaganda for last several years there is nothing that could have been change their minds. THey have a deep rooted hated that will not go away with a slight change in politics.
 
2001-10-30 10:33:03 AM  
Leonard_Cohen: No, but I might as well be.
 
2001-10-30 10:34:32 AM  
By your logic, we shouldn't give a fark about the 6,000 people dead in the WTC since they weren't our own family.
 
43%
2001-10-30 10:34:34 AM  
MorriganOK dipshiat. I know it is afGHans, but if you listen to anybody from that area , the do not pronounce the GH, and it sounds like afLans.

Thanks for the anal retentive banter, though.
 
2001-10-30 10:35:13 AM  
"Dirty bomb?"
I think I've seen that movie by the makers of "Teriyaki Vomit Sluts, Vol. IV" right?
 
2001-10-30 10:35:24 AM  
Demosthenes, that is also not counting winds, rain, ground water...etc. Whatever happens, we need to hit these guys first. I wonder if the anti-war losers would still be anti-war if something like this would go off in their neighborhood...
 
2001-10-30 10:36:14 AM  
IT'S BOOM TIME BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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