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2011-08-08 04:37:13 PM

God's Hubris: Dear NRO,

How come you continue to hire "writers" that don't understand the outer-worldly spending spree budgets came from the Republican-controlled House?


Not to mention that 30 years of Republican starve the beast fiscal sabotage led to an irresponsibly high debt to GDP ratio before Obama even took office.
 
2011-08-08 04:38:20 PM
Nobody is saying blame-bush-we-can't-do-anything-about-it. The admin is trying to do stuff about it. Your analogy sucks as much as the dingleberries in your Tom Selleck Halloween costume
 
2011-08-08 04:40:26 PM

farkityfarker: Not only is Bush completely responsible for our current predicament, but those who supported his policies and irrationally hate the current President are doing everything possible to exacerbate the predicament.


www.examiner.com

Exacerbate?
 
2011-08-08 04:41:37 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: Thanks. The conservative talking heads dismiss the 'Blame Bush' answer even if it is true. It's like they are looking for a different retort to their claims that everything bad in the world is the fault of the Democrats since 2006.


But the debt only started after the black dude showed up.
 
2011-08-08 04:44:45 PM
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2011-08-08 04:45:09 PM

LegacyDL:
My question is what happened to that "American spirit" and can-do attitude?


It got shot off in Iraq.
 
2011-08-08 04:45:20 PM

meat0918: Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?

For that to be analogous to our current situation, you need to have someone restraining you every time you try to clean it up while simultaneously blaming you for placing shiat on your chest.


And the pile of shiat would have to be 400 feet tall.
 
2011-08-08 04:45:28 PM

heinekenftw: antidisestablishmentarianism: Thanks. The conservative talking heads dismiss the 'Blame Bush' answer even if it is true. It's like they are looking for a different retort to their claims that everything bad in the world is the fault of the Democrats since 2006.

But the debt only started after the black dude showed up.



Obama forced all the Republicans to vote for a debt-ceiling increase 5 times before he took office. It's true, I saw it on FOX.
 
2011-08-08 04:46:57 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: meat0918: Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?

For that to be analogous to our current situation, you need to have someone restraining you every time you try to clean it up while simultaneously blaming you for placing shiat on your chest.

And the pile of shiat would have to be 400 feet tall.



And some guys working for the same company offer to clean it up by shiatting on your chest.
 
2011-08-08 04:50:38 PM

meat0918: LegacyDL: There's a statute of limitations for "...but..but..Bush". I'm sorry but there is.

Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?

For that to be analogous to our current situation, you need to have someone restraining you every time you try to clean it up while simultaneously blaming you for placing shiat on your chest.


And telling you the best thing to clean up shiat is to hold still while Bush's cohorts come in and shiat on your chest as well, then make racially charged comments and several unkind aspersions about your character and value as a human being.

No matter what I do, unless I like having shiat on my chest, I guarantee you I'm not going to forget that Bush and company feel it's appropriate to shiat on my chest, and under no circumstances am I going to allow them to keep doing it. And because of their actions, all of their other suggestions for "Hey, you know what sounds good?" are automatically suspect as well.
 
2011-08-08 04:53:07 PM
Dear NRO,

You're all a bunch of scared, cracker-ass partisan hacks. Get farked.

Smooches,

The Intertubes
 
2011-08-08 04:53:32 PM

Bob_Laublaw: Because he's a politician trying to protect his party at the expense of his rivals?

Just kidding! That never happens in contemporary politics; modern leaders have risen above such pandering.


This really is a mess created by both parties, if you voted R or D in the last 3 election cycles, give yourself an IFIA.
 
2011-08-08 04:54:06 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: farkityfarker: Not only is Bush completely responsible for our current predicament, but those who supported his policies and irrationally hate the current President are doing everything possible to exacerbate the predicament.



Exacerbate?


You've got red on you.
 
2011-08-08 04:54:09 PM
I love how the stimulus included over $200b in tax cuts, but Republicans still have no problem calling those "spending". Because otherwise, they'd have to say the stimulus bill was under $500b.
 
2011-08-08 04:54:50 PM
Am I the only one bothered by subby's use of a four-year old's phrasing in order to ask the question "why"?

How come you just didn't go full on and use why come?
 
2011-08-08 04:55:33 PM

ultraholland: You're all a bunch of scared, cracker-ass partisan hacks. Get farked.


but enough about subby and the modmins
 
2011-08-08 04:55:43 PM
Hey - where'd all the Republicans who were complaining that the debt deadline was completely meaningless go?
 
2011-08-08 04:58:04 PM
Here's the problem:

"They're terrorists! It's Obama! Only the Repukes are to blame! The Dems are actually trying to ruin the country! S&P is anti-American!, et cetera..."

Here's the solution:

Pass a budget for 2012 that is at least debt-neutral and pass a balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable. Also, restructure SS to take care of existing folks that are within 15 years (arbitrary) of retirement and re-do the program for everyone else. Pull our troops out of half of the 130 countries we are in right now. Restructure the tax code to make the incentives match what we'd like for strong job growth.

Let's start with that. Then we can discuss paying down the debt over the long term. Let's take our foot off the accelerator for now, and then navigate our way away from the edge of the cliff in the coming years.
 
2011-08-08 04:59:11 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Exacerbate?


I think that's what it's called when you jerk off while playing Excite Bike.
 
2011-08-08 04:59:38 PM
Richard wolf talks about S&P in this interview, must see.

Link (new window)
 
2011-08-08 04:59:42 PM

LegacyDL: RainDawg: That says a whole lot more about you than about Obama.

My comment wasn't simply targeted toward Obama, but more towards the current political climate. What I'm saying is we can't change past events, but we sure as hell can move on.

When FDR rolled in as President, I don't think his constituents were going "but..but..Hoover!". No, shiat got done. We built roads and buildings, amassed a crazy war machine, and made it home in time to listen to Abbott and Costello.

My question is what happened to that "American spirit" and can-do attitude?


Greed
 
2011-08-08 05:00:00 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: It couldn't possibly be President Obama's outer-worldly spending spree, right? It couldn't possibly be that we are at the point of borrowing because we can't otherwise make the interest payments on our prior borrowing.

Again:

[ezkool.com image 640x710]

The Bush wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, along with Defense - $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit.
The Bush Tax Cuts - $1.8 Trillion added to the deficit.
Non-Defense Discretionary spending under George Bush - $608 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush Tarp and other Bailouts - $224 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Medicare Drug Policies - $180 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Stimulus and other spending - #773 Billion added to the deficit.

If you want to focus your rage in the direction it most deserves to go, focus it the puffer fish.

[madmikesamerica.com image 140x140]


Oh look, its the 'Don't mention that Obama continued the wars and tax cuts' graph again. Good to see that people haven't tired of its disingenuous manipulation of the figures.
 
2011-08-08 05:00:17 PM

LasersHurt: This is a partisan opinion piece. It is of no value whatsoever, and contains no useful facts of any kind.

That's for anyone thinking of reading it.


Yep. Obama's "error" was "based on new data that reflect how severe the economic downturn was in the late fall of last year and the winter of this year". It was just a different economic forecast, not a miscalculation or mathematical error. But you can always depend on NRO to bring the derp.
 
2011-08-08 05:00:35 PM

skylabdown: Here's the problem:

"They're terrorists! It's Obama! Only the Repukes are to blame! The Dems are actually trying to ruin the country! S&P is anti-American!, et cetera..."

Here's the solution:

Pass a budget for 2012 that is at least debt-neutral and pass a balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable. Also, restructure SS to take care of existing folks that are within 15 years (arbitrary) of retirement and re-do the program for everyone else. Pull our troops out of half of the 130 countries we are in right now. Restructure the tax code to make the incentives match what we'd like for strong job growth.

Let's start with that. Then we can discuss paying down the debt over the long term. Let's take our foot off the accelerator for now, and then navigate our way away from the edge of the cliff in the coming years.


A small bit of that makes sense, the rest goes from stupid to disasterous.
 
2011-08-08 05:00:40 PM

LegacyDL: AdolfOliverPanties: It couldn't possibly be President Obama's outer-worldly spending spree, right? It couldn't possibly be that we are at the point of borrowing because we can't otherwise make the interest payments on our prior borrowing.

Again:

[ezkool.com image 640x710]

The Bush wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, along with Defense - $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit.
The Bush Tax Cuts - $1.8 Trillion added to the deficit.
Non-Defense Discretionary spending under George Bush - $608 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush Tarp and other Bailouts - $224 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Medicare Drug Policies - $180 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Stimulus and other spending - #773 Billion added to the deficit.

If you want to focus your rage in the direction it most deserves to go, focus it the puffer fish.

[madmikesamerica.com image 140x140]

There's a statute of limitations for "...but..but..Bush". I'm sorry but there is.

Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?


Voting for a Democrat at this point is like going to a drug dealer for help with beating your drug addiction.


All the Farklibs keep crowing about deficit reduction from Reids plan or Obamas plan, none of which was even proposed until they realized that if they didnt cut something theyd be forced to by the Repubs. Compare Obamas proposal in February to Reids in July.
 
2011-08-08 05:02:13 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: It couldn't possibly be President Obama's outer-worldly spending spree, right?


Not clicking (sorry, NRO and Drew). But WTF does this even mean?
 
2011-08-08 05:03:00 PM
LegacyDL:
There's a statute of limitations for "...but..but..Bush". I'm sorry but there is.

Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?


That may be true , but I'll have to stop hearing about FDR, LBJ, Carter and Clinton as causes of real or perceived dysfunction before I believe it.
 
2011-08-08 05:03:46 PM

skylabdown: balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable.


No. I refuse to allow our government to tie is hands in case of times of actual emergency. You know what is a good way to hold future congresses accountable? Actually being involved in the process of governing, not just randomly declaring constitutional amendments.
 
2011-08-08 05:04:43 PM
Is this one of those cases where I'm supposed to say Obama is a socialist, or that he's just like Bush?
 
2011-08-08 05:05:19 PM

Epoch_Zero: skylabdown: Here's the problem:

"They're terrorists! It's Obama! Only the Repukes are to blame! The Dems are actually trying to ruin the country! S&P is anti-American!, et cetera..."

Here's the solution:

Pass a budget for 2012 that is at least debt-neutral and pass a balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable. Also, restructure SS to take care of existing folks that are within 15 years (arbitrary) of retirement and re-do the program for everyone else. Pull our troops out of half of the 130 countries we are in right now. Restructure the tax code to make the incentives match what we'd like for strong job growth.

Let's start with that. Then we can discuss paying down the debt over the long term. Let's take our foot off the accelerator for now, and then navigate our way away from the edge of the cliff in the coming years.

A small bit of that makes sense, the rest goes from stupid to disasterous.


Enlighten me. Are you proposing more spending? That's pretty much the only thing you could say that would make me start calling you funny names.
 
2011-08-08 05:06:48 PM

vygramul: Is this one of those cases where I'm supposed to say Obama is a socialist, or that he's just like Bush?


He's an empty suit usurper and a powerless tyrant Nazi communist.
 
2011-08-08 05:08:34 PM

PonceAlyosha: skylabdown: balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable.

No. I refuse to allow our government to tie is hands in case of times of actual emergency. You know what is a good way to hold future congresses accountable? Actually being involved in the process of governing, not just randomly declaring constitutional amendments.


You do realize that it's possible to write language in that accounts for such events. For crying out loud, the health care bill was over 2000 pages. I think we can deal with things like that.

It's not random. There is no way to bind future congresses without an amendment. You want to stop the retardation machine that got us to this point? That's how you do it. It's akin to a parent taking the car keys away from their kid.

I see us as the parent BTW.... I know there are many here who view us as the kid.
 
2011-08-08 05:11:20 PM

skylabdown: Epoch_Zero: skylabdown: Here's the problem:

"They're terrorists! It's Obama! Only the Repukes are to blame! The Dems are actually trying to ruin the country! S&P is anti-American!, et cetera..."

Here's the solution:

Pass a budget for 2012 that is at least debt-neutral and pass a balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable. Also, restructure SS to take care of existing folks that are within 15 years (arbitrary) of retirement and re-do the program for everyone else. Pull our troops out of half of the 130 countries we are in right now. Restructure the tax code to make the incentives match what we'd like for strong job growth.

Let's start with that. Then we can discuss paying down the debt over the long term. Let's take our foot off the accelerator for now, and then navigate our way away from the edge of the cliff in the coming years.

A small bit of that makes sense, the rest goes from stupid to disasterous.

Enlighten me. Are you proposing more spending? That's pretty much the only thing you could say that would make me start calling you funny names.


The reduction in armed forces is the only thing that makes sense.

You have to deficit spend during a recession.

SS is solvent for another twenty years.

Ignoring how dumb a BBA is when applied to reality, it would still need to be ratified by the states and pass congress and the senate. I don't know if you've noticed, but we have a congress filled with neoconfederate teenagers who just read their Mom's college copy of Atlas Shrugged - so, no chance of doing anything of substance, let alone a constitutional amendment.
 
2011-08-08 05:11:56 PM

skylabdown: You want to stop the retardation machine that got us to this point? That's how you do it.


Or you know, raising taxes.
 
2011-08-08 05:13:57 PM

skylabdown: PonceAlyosha: skylabdown: balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable.

No. I refuse to allow our government to tie is hands in case of times of actual emergency. You know what is a good way to hold future congresses accountable? Actually being involved in the process of governing, not just randomly declaring constitutional amendments.

You do realize that it's possible to write language in that accounts for such events. For crying out loud, the health care bill was over 2000 pages. I think we can deal with things like that.

It's not random. There is no way to bind future congresses without an amendment. You want to stop the retardation machine that got us to this point? That's how you do it. It's akin to a parent taking the car keys away from their kid.

I see us as the parent BTW.... I know there are many here who view us as the kid.


Do you think that if a constitutional amendment needs to be several pages long (or several hundred as a BBA that doesn't fark up the country would have to be) should perhaps just be a law? I mean, if emergency funds are required, do you really want to wait for a court case to make it's way up to the SCOTUS for a ruling?

And the teabaggers are undoubtedly the kids in the analogy... or more specifically... teenagers. They think they've got it all figured out and are so sure of their point of view. Unfortunately that point of view is ignorant, comes from inexperience and is just generally spiteful to the owners of the house they live in.
 
2011-08-08 05:14:03 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: farkityfarker: Not only is Bush completely responsible for our current predicament, but those who supported his policies and irrationally hate the current President are doing everything possible to exacerbate the predicament.

[www.examiner.com image 250x350]

Exacerbate?


Yes, it is in fact a real word. Sorry the conversation is above your vocabulary level.
 
2011-08-08 05:14:30 PM

skylabdown: You do realize that it's possible to write language in that accounts for such events. For crying out loud, the health care bill was over 2000 pages. I think we can deal with things like that.


Would you be willing to consider a compromise BBA that guarantees Social Security, SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, and TANF as constitutional rights, and mandates that members of Congress who fail to vote for tax rates sufficient to finance them at a certain floor level are automatically ejected from Congress?
 
2011-08-08 05:15:56 PM

ddam: LegacyDL: AdolfOliverPanties: It couldn't possibly be President Obama's outer-worldly spending spree, right? It couldn't possibly be that we are at the point of borrowing because we can't otherwise make the interest payments on our prior borrowing.

Again:

[ezkool.com image 640x710]

The Bush wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, along with Defense - $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit.
The Bush Tax Cuts - $1.8 Trillion added to the deficit.
Non-Defense Discretionary spending under George Bush - $608 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush Tarp and other Bailouts - $224 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Medicare Drug Policies - $180 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Stimulus and other spending - #773 Billion added to the deficit.

If you want to focus your rage in the direction it most deserves to go, focus it the puffer fish.

[madmikesamerica.com image 140x140]

There's a statute of limitations for "...but..but..Bush". I'm sorry but there is.

Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?

Blaming Bush is not going to fix the problem. But accepting that Bush got us into this will also cause us to accept that his policies were wrong and we have to get away from that. Stop the wars, stop the tax cuts, stop the drug on drugs, stop no child left behind, etc.

But every time people point out that Bush's policies got us in this problem we hear people like you "stop blaming Bush and fix this already" while at the same time fighting any legistlation that would repeal the laws established by Bush. I, as a liberal, do not blame Bush because I want him punished. I blame his policies (and rightly so) and want the country to turn away from them. So far we have even conservatives accept that Bush's policies were wrong but unwilling to get away from said policies.


Exactly. To continue Legacy DLs somewhat humorous analogy, the GOP, who took the dump on our chest under Bush, keep coming back in the room and criticizing us for the mess.

GOP: "look at this mess, there's shiat all over the place in this room"

Dems: "yeah, it's your shiat! You crapped all over the place and filibuster any attempts to get some paper towels and bleach"

GOP: 'enough with the past, its your responsibility now. And we don't want any paper towels or bleach... that'll just make the mess worse!
 
2011-08-08 05:16:01 PM

ddam: LegacyDL: AdolfOliverPanties: It couldn't possibly be President Obama's outer-worldly spending spree, right? It couldn't possibly be that we are at the point of borrowing because we can't otherwise make the interest payments on our prior borrowing.

Again:

[ezkool.com image 640x710]

The Bush wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, along with Defense - $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit.
The Bush Tax Cuts - $1.8 Trillion added to the deficit.
Non-Defense Discretionary spending under George Bush - $608 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush Tarp and other Bailouts - $224 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Medicare Drug Policies - $180 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Stimulus and other spending - #773 Billion added to the deficit.

If you want to focus your rage in the direction it most deserves to go, focus it the puffer fish.

[madmikesamerica.com image 140x140]

There's a statute of limitations for "...but..but..Bush". I'm sorry but there is.

Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?

Blaming Bush is not going to fix the problem. But accepting that Bush got us into this will also cause us to accept that his policies were wrong and we have to get away from that. Stop the wars, stop the tax cuts, stop the drug on drugs, stop no child left behind, etc.

But every time people point out that Bush's policies got us in this problem we hear people like you "stop blaming Bush and fix this already" while at the same time fighting any legistlation that would repeal the laws established by Bush. I, as a liberal, do not blame Bush because I want him punished. I blame his policies (and rightly so) and want the country to turn away from them. So far we have even conservatives accept that Bush's policies were wrong but unwilling to get away from said policies.


only because we didn't practice Bush's policies hard enough, we need to double down on Trickle Down so its more a stream, we need larger tax cuts. People say raising taxes on the rich by a few percentage points is not a big deal, which means when we cut them they were not cut enough. Clearly we need to cut taxes by at least 5 percentage points more.
 
2011-08-08 05:18:36 PM
Fact: the debt ceiling debacle is the result of 60 republicans who took intractable positions against allowing tax cuts to expire or loopholes to be closed.

Fact: the downgrade was prefaced by a warning that any plan without revenue increases would likely be insufficient to stave off the aforementioned downgrade.

Fact: the downgrade and resulting fallout is the republican party's fault.

Fact: much of the debt being argued about is the direct result of the policies of one republican president and a rubber stamp republican Congress between 2000 and 2006. Much of the remaining debt being argued about is a direct result of his democratic successor not undoing those republican policies, both as a result of his unwillingness and as a result of constant stonewalling by another republican congress.

Fact: none of this will matter in another week because nobody votes republican based on facts.
 
2011-08-08 05:18:49 PM

skylabdown: PonceAlyosha: skylabdown: balanced budget amendment since that's the only way to hold future congress's accountable.

No. I refuse to allow our government to tie is hands in case of times of actual emergency. You know what is a good way to hold future congresses accountable? Actually being involved in the process of governing, not just randomly declaring constitutional amendments.

You do realize that it's possible to write language in that accounts for such events. For crying out loud, the health care bill was over 2000 pages. I think we can deal with things like that.

It's not random. There is no way to bind future congresses without an amendment. You want to stop the retardation machine that got us to this point? That's how you do it. It's akin to a parent taking the car keys away from their kid.

I see us as the parent BTW.... I know there are many here who view us as the kid.


So sure about that? The House wouldn't even give disaster relief to Joplin without cuts to something else. That is exactly where we'd find ourselves, because we have a bunch of idiots in Congress who think it's just dandy to do that sort of thing - unless it happens to be a disaster in their area, then it's suddenly a "no politics, let's help people" zone.
 
2011-08-08 05:19:00 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: FlashHarry: i almost hope that obama loses and that the GOP increases its house seats and gets a 60-vote majority in the senate - just to see how they'd blame the dems when the country's prospects turn from bad to worse. believe me; they'd still do it.

No need to imagine. Isn't that what happened from 2001-2007?


This. The farkin' dickweeds couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions wrote on the heel. Give it back to 'em and we'll lynch these motherfarkers next time it happens.
 
2011-08-08 05:19:36 PM

SavageWombat: AdolfOliverPanties: farkityfarker: Not only is Bush completely responsible for our current predicament, but those who supported his policies and irrationally hate the current President are doing everything possible to exacerbate the predicament.

[www.examiner.com image 250x350]

Exacerbate?

Yes, it is in fact a real word. Sorry the conversation is above your vocabulary level.


Fine. But dogs CAN look up.
 
2011-08-08 05:21:05 PM

The Numbers: AdolfOliverPanties: It couldn't possibly be President Obama's outer-worldly spending spree, right? It couldn't possibly be that we are at the point of borrowing because we can't otherwise make the interest payments on our prior borrowing.

Again:

[ezkool.com image 640x710]

The Bush wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, along with Defense - $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit.
The Bush Tax Cuts - $1.8 Trillion added to the deficit.
Non-Defense Discretionary spending under George Bush - $608 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush Tarp and other Bailouts - $224 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Medicare Drug Policies - $180 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Stimulus and other spending - #773 Billion added to the deficit.

If you want to focus your rage in the direction it most deserves to go, focus it the puffer fish.

[madmikesamerica.com image 140x140]

Oh look, its the 'Don't mention that Obama continued the wars and tax cuts' graph again. Good to see that people haven't tired of its disingenuous manipulation of the figures.


really dude? so since obama didn't pull out the day he got into office, they're his fault now?

Good to see you still fark chickens.
 
2011-08-08 05:21:10 PM
Please make changes to how we govern within the context of existing law. If your proposal requires a constitutional amendment, it is ipso facto a bad idea.
 
2011-08-08 05:22:08 PM

clambam: Please make changes to how we govern within the context of existing law. If your proposal requires a constitutional amendment, it is ipso facto a bad idea.


Would that not invalidate all the amendments?
 
2011-08-08 05:22:32 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: ddam: LegacyDL: AdolfOliverPanties: It couldn't possibly be President Obama's outer-worldly spending spree, right? It couldn't possibly be that we are at the point of borrowing because we can't otherwise make the interest payments on our prior borrowing.

Again:

[ezkool.com image 640x710]

The Bush wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, along with Defense - $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit.
The Bush Tax Cuts - $1.8 Trillion added to the deficit.
Non-Defense Discretionary spending under George Bush - $608 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush Tarp and other Bailouts - $224 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Medicare Drug Policies - $180 Billion added to the deficit.
Bush's Stimulus and other spending - #773 Billion added to the deficit.

If you want to focus your rage in the direction it most deserves to go, focus it the puffer fish.

[madmikesamerica.com image 140x140]

There's a statute of limitations for "...but..but..Bush". I'm sorry but there is.

Blaming Bush for our current predicament will not fix the problem. If someone were to take a massive shiat on your chest and walk out, are you going to lie there for 4 years with shiat on your chest, or are you going to clean your chest up and move on with your life?

Blaming Bush is not going to fix the problem. But accepting that Bush got us into this will also cause us to accept that his policies were wrong and we have to get away from that. Stop the wars, stop the tax cuts, stop the drug on drugs, stop no child left behind, etc.

But every time people point out that Bush's policies got us in this problem we hear people like you "stop blaming Bush and fix this already" while at the same time fighting any legistlation that would repeal the laws established by Bush. I, as a liberal, do not blame Bush because I want him punished. I blame his policies (and rightly so) and want the country to turn away from them. So far we have even conservatives accept that Bush's policies were wrong but unwilling to get away from said policies.

Exactly. To continue Legacy DLs somewhat humorous analogy, the GOP, who took the dump on our chest under Bush, keep coming back in the room and criticizing us for the mess.

GOP: "look at this mess, there's shiat all over the place in this room"

Dems: "yeah, it's your shiat! You crapped all over the place and filibuster any attempts to get some paper towels and bleach"

GOP: 'enough with the past, its your responsibility now. And we don't want any paper towels or bleach... that'll just make the mess worse!


Dems: Oops I have diarrhea every 30 minutes now. The liquid will help to dissolve the dried poop stains you repubs left behind. Besides, the public knew our sphincter was broken when they voted for us...
 
2011-08-08 05:24:22 PM

Animatronik: Dems: Oops I have diarrhea every 30 minutes now. The liquid will help to dissolve the dried poop stains you repubs left behind. Besides, the public knew our sphincter was broken when they voted for us...


which part is the diarrhea? Spell it out so we all know you're 100% right.
 
2011-08-08 05:24:29 PM
Obama drove America into the ditch, the Tea Party will pull us out.
 
2011-08-08 05:24:44 PM

clambam: Please make changes to how we govern within the context of existing law. If your proposal requires a constitutional amendment, it is ipso facto a bad idea.


Thats why they call it The Constitution, son.

Some things wont work any other way in our democratic republic.
 
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