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(Some Guy)   "I was just cleaning my gun when I accidentally shot my wife, who was apparently not cleaning anything for quite some time"   (big1059.com ) divider line
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2011-08-08 01:01:20 PM  
Isolated incident! Don't infringe on my second amendment rights! I have to be able to protect my home! It is my right to clean the trigger of a loaded weapon while the barrel is pointed at my wife! Damn liberals and their gun-hating!
 
2011-08-08 01:01:28 PM  
Maybe the kid was eating the insects. Did anyone consider that? High protein, low fat, perfect diet so he doesn't turn into the typical fat American.
 
2011-08-08 01:01:49 PM  
For the millionth time, there is not such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Keep your damn finger off the trigger and it won't fire. And don't clean your guns while they're loaded. Did I really have to say that?
 
2011-08-08 01:02:06 PM  

DubyaHater: Isolated incident! Don't infringe on my second amendment rights! I have to be able to protect my home! It is my right to clean the trigger of a loaded weapon while the barrel is pointed at my wife! Damn liberals and their gun-hating!


Freedom isn't free, you jackass.
 
2011-08-08 01:03:12 PM  

Molavian: Maybe the kid was eating the insects. Did anyone consider that? High protein, low fat, perfect diet so he doesn't turn into the typical fat American.


Ummm, What??
 
2011-08-08 01:03:47 PM  

DubyaHater: Isolated incident! Don't infringe on my second amendment rights! I have to be able to protect my home! It is my right to clean the trigger of a loaded weapon while the barrel is pointed at my wife! Damn liberals and their gun-hating!


1/10

You should come over to the other gun thread.
 
2011-08-08 01:05:18 PM  
Ha ha AverageAmericanGuy and Carousel Beast got troll'd.
 
2011-08-08 01:05:19 PM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples
For the millionth time, there is not such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Keep your damn finger off the trigger and it won't fire. And don't clean your guns while they're loaded. Did I really have to say that?

Yes because people are stupid.
 
2011-08-08 01:06:03 PM  

G-Webb: Molavian: Maybe the kid was eating the insects. Did anyone consider that? High protein, low fat, perfect diet so he doesn't turn into the typical fat American.

Ummm, What??


FTFA: While interviewing the couple, authorities found the house was infested with insects and there was little food.
 
2011-08-08 01:06:46 PM  
Just don't EVER clean your gun in the kitchen, and you won't shoot your wife.

Problem solved.

/virgule
 
2011-08-08 01:07:54 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: And don't clean your guns while they're loaded.


I don't even know how you would clean a gun when it is loaded.
 
2011-08-08 01:08:38 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the millionth time, there is not such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Keep your damn finger off the trigger and it won't fire. And don't clean your guns while they're loaded. Did I really have to say that?


Whole thing bears repeating. Though step one of cleaning a gun should be 'be sure it's not loaded', which seems like it'd be common sense (har har har).
Hell, first thing I do when handling a gun is verify whether or not it's loaded, even if someone tells me it's not loaded.

/doubts this was accidental in any way
 
2011-08-08 01:10:03 PM  

JohDHJ: Adolf Oliver Nipples: And don't clean your guns while they're loaded.

I don't even know how you would clean a gun when it is loaded.


Especially a revolver.
 
2011-08-08 01:15:14 PM  
was the child a result of an accidental discharge too?
 
2011-08-08 01:16:07 PM  

JohDHJ: Adolf Oliver Nipples: And don't clean your guns while they're loaded.

I don't even know how you would clean a gun when it is loaded.


Yeah, some firearms like Glock pistols even require you to dry fire them before you can completely field strip them for maintenance. No doubt this was negligence.
 
2011-08-08 01:18:22 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: DubyaHater: Isolated incident! Don't infringe on my second amendment rights! I have to be able to protect my home! It is my right to clean the trigger of a loaded weapon while the barrel is pointed at my wife! Damn liberals and their gun-hating!

Freedom isn't free, you jackass.


it costs a buck o' five
 
2011-08-08 01:19:22 PM  
2nd amendment is best amendment
 
2011-08-08 01:19:32 PM  
CSB time:

My grandmother spent the majority of her life with a .22 slug buried in her calf. My grandfather had just finished cleaning a revolver, and after re-loading it, gave it a final wipe with a rag. The rag caught on the hammer, and pulled it back far enough that the weapon discharged when the hammer snapped forward.

Grandma made him clean the blood off the floor before she'd let him take her to see a doctor.

He was much more conscientious about gun safety after that. He hated mopping.
 
2011-08-08 01:25:37 PM  
Really - cleaning a revolver and it goes off? Semi auto clip fed maybe, but a revolver? Guy's is an idiot. First thing you do when you clean it is open the cylinder.

Now if he shot her because she wouldn't get him a sammich, that's another story. (FTA seems there may have been scarce sammich makings in the house)
 
2011-08-08 01:25:38 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Just don't EVER clean your gun in the kitchen, and you won't shoot your wife.

Problem solved.

/virgule


That's why I always clean my gun in the bathroom, where any accidental discharges can be easily cleaned up with some toilet paper.
 
2011-08-08 01:26:33 PM  
You require a license to own a gun, but anybody can make a baby and force them to live amongst roaches.
 
2011-08-08 01:29:33 PM  

JohnCarter: Really - cleaning a revolver and it goes off? Semi auto clip fed maybe, but a revolver? Guy's is an idiot. First thing you do when you clean it is open the cylinder.

Now if he shot her because she wouldn't get him a sammich, that's another story. (FTA seems there may have been scarce sammich makings in the house)


Anybody who can afford a Broomhandle Mauser is more careful than that.

Oh, you meant magazine-fed? Gotcha.

/Pet peeve
 
2011-08-08 01:34:50 PM  

pyrotek85: JohDHJ: Adolf Oliver Nipples: And don't clean your guns while they're loaded.

I don't even know how you would clean a gun when it is loaded.

Yeah, some firearms like Glock pistols even require you to dry fire them before you can completely field strip them for maintenance. No doubt this was negligence.


Judging by the condition of the house, I doubt the husband of the year candidate here was in possession of such a quality firearm as a Glock.
 
2011-08-08 01:36:04 PM  

JohDHJ: Adolf Oliver Nipples: And don't clean your guns while they're loaded.

I don't even know how you would clean a gun when it is loaded.


I'm right with you. I've cleaned automatics and revolvers and I can't imagine how you could possibly clean either when they're loaded. Maybe by "clean" they mean "get drunk, wave it around, and start pulling the trigger until you nearly murder your wife".
 
2011-08-08 01:37:02 PM  

envirovore: Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the millionth time, there is not such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Keep your damn finger off the trigger and it won't fire. And don't clean your guns while they're loaded. Did I really have to say that?

Whole thing bears repeating. Though step one of cleaning a gun should be 'be sure it's not loaded', which seems like it'd be common sense (har har har).
Hell, first thing I do when handling a gun is verify whether or not it's loaded, even if someone tells me it's not loaded.

/doubts this was accidental in any way


That's because you know how to responsibly handle a firearm.
 
2011-08-08 01:40:12 PM  
A Ruger Old Army?

I'm not sure if I'm more amused by the medias stock photo use of a "generic gun" or that they accidentally managed to use a very nice one.
 
2011-08-08 01:43:41 PM  
If only she was armed. Ignore qualification.. guns for everyone.
 
2011-08-08 01:44:51 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: JohnCarter: Really - cleaning a revolver and it goes off? Semi auto clip fed maybe, but a revolver? Guy's is an idiot. First thing you do when you clean it is open the cylinder.

Now if he shot her because she wouldn't get him a sammich, that's another story. (FTA seems there may have been scarce sammich makings in the house)

Anybody who can afford a Broomhandle Mauser is more careful than that.

Oh, you meant magazine-fed? Gotcha.

/Pet peeve


Considering that they really don't make firearms with clips anymore, I don't understand what the value of keeping the distinction is anymore.
 
2011-08-08 01:49:11 PM  
"Cleaning gun" is dumbass cover-code for "was twirling it around like Robocop".

Pretty much nobody discharges the gun while "cleaning", it's all jack-assery.
 
2011-08-08 01:49:26 PM  

Click Click D'oh: A Ruger Old Army?

I'm not sure if I'm more amused by the medias stock photo use of a "generic gun" or that they accidentally managed to use a very nice one.


That's what I was thinking. Anyway, not likely the gun in question. Those cap and ball revolvers are the safest guns around. You have to have a PHD in Gunology to load them in the first place.
 
2011-08-08 01:50:45 PM  
Was she cleaning it when it went off?
 
2011-08-08 01:51:57 PM  

Trilithon: Was she cleaning it when it went off?


Wrong thread.
 
2011-08-08 01:56:33 PM  
I really don't understand how anyone can accidentally shoot a gun while cleaning it. Cleaning it is done pretty consciously and even some drugged out idiot knows enough to first check that it is unloaded. Furthermore, I don't really see any reason that the trigger needs to be pulled, or hammer cocked without removing the chamber. A revolver is really easy to know if it is loaded.

Anyway, there are so many things that have to happen for a gun to go off "accidentally" and actually kill someone (need to be pointed at victim's head or chest, need to have bullet in chamber, need any safeties to be overridden, and need either a full trigger pull or on some guns a hammer action) that I really don't believe in accidental shootings except in cases where a person is already prepared to shoot.
 
2011-08-08 02:00:20 PM  

pyrotek85: JohDHJ: Adolf Oliver Nipples: And don't clean your guns while they're loaded.

I don't even know how you would clean a gun when it is loaded.

Yeah, some firearms like Glock pistols even require you to dry fire them before you can completely field strip them for maintenance. No doubt this was negligence intentional.


FTFY
 
2011-08-08 02:00:26 PM  

meanmutton: Adolf Oliver Nipples: JohnCarter: Really - cleaning a revolver and it goes off? Semi auto clip fed maybe, but a revolver? Guy's is an idiot. First thing you do when you clean it is open the cylinder.

Now if he shot her because she wouldn't get him a sammich, that's another story. (FTA seems there may have been scarce sammich makings in the house)

Anybody who can afford a Broomhandle Mauser is more careful than that.

Oh, you meant magazine-fed? Gotcha.

/Pet peeve

Considering that they really don't make firearms with clips anymore, I don't understand what the value of keeping the distinction is anymore.


If we don't speak precisely about specific nomenclature we end up with jerks trying to ban "assault weapons" because they confuse the public by conflating them with "assault rifles" (they are different) and people who go on national television making jerks of themselves talking about "shoulder things that go up".

Since people have deemed themselves experts on what should and should not be legal without knowing anything about them, we have to be vigilant about things that ordinarily wouldn't make any difference.

I'll be the first to admit that in today's world the distinction is minor at best. Hell, video games and movies screw it up all the time. But it's still not correct.
 
2011-08-08 02:10:58 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: For the millionth time, there is not such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Keep your damn finger off the trigger and it won't fire. And don't clean your guns while they're loaded. Did I really have to say that?



While I agree completely with your sentiment here, you are amiss on one point. It IS possible to fire a gun without pulling the trigger. Pull the hammer 3/4 back and let it go. There will be plenty of momentum to pop the cap.

Like I said though... I agree with you otherwise. The first thing you do when you clean your gun is make sure it's not loaded. The other first thing you do is make sure it's not pointing at yourself or anyone around you.

Last time I had a gun in my hand, I locked my self in the bathroom, and told the wife and kids to "stay the F out of this entire part of the house".
Then I checked to see if it was loaded.
 
2011-08-08 02:12:00 PM  
Now that we have covered the major points of guns good, guns bad, trolling, and ignorance leads to shooting... did anyone else notice that the last names of the cleaner and the bleeder are Dean Martin? Now that is funny.
 
2011-08-08 02:15:04 PM  

durbnpoisn: While I agree completely with your sentiment here, you are amiss on one point. It IS possible to fire a gun without pulling the trigger. Pull the hammer 3/4 back and let it go. There will be plenty of momentum to pop the cap.


I can't do that with any of my hammer-strike weapons. They all have a half-cock safety or transfer bar that requires me to pull the trigger to lower the hammer or pull the hammer all the way back, thus requiring a trigger pull to release it.
 
2011-08-08 02:28:16 PM  

Badmonkey82009: Now that we have covered the major points of guns good, guns bad, trolling, and ignorance leads to shooting... did anyone else notice that the last names of the cleaner and the bleeder are Dean Martin? Now that is funny.


Actually we haven't discussed the ethics of gut-shooting yet.
 
2011-08-08 02:37:37 PM  

give me doughnuts: CSB time:

My grandmother spent the majority of her life with a .22 slug buried in her calf. My grandfather had just finished cleaning a revolver, and after re-loading it, gave it a final wipe with a rag. The rag caught on the hammer, and pulled it back far enough that the weapon discharged when the hammer snapped forward.

Grandma made him clean the blood off the floor before she'd let him take her to see a doctor.

He was much more conscientious about gun safety after that. He hated mopping.


Damn there son. You come from badass stock.
 
2011-08-08 02:44:34 PM  
Wait...Oscar Roberts and Dean Martin are married?
 
2011-08-08 02:45:30 PM  

millsapian87: Badmonkey82009: Now that we have covered the major points of guns good, guns bad, trolling, and ignorance leads to shooting... did anyone else notice that the last names of the cleaner and the bleeder are Dean Martin? Now that is funny.

Actually we haven't discussed the ethics of gut-shooting yet.


Awesome... it has been my experience that one's opinions on the ethics of shooting people vary depending on which end of the gun they are on. I still think the Dean Martin connection is funny.
 
2011-08-08 02:59:33 PM  
Yes, but gut-shooting...that's just wrong.
 
2011-08-08 03:06:44 PM  
They live with a child in a house full of roaches and have no food. Is there really any question that's they're not smart enough to be responsible with a gun?
 
2011-08-08 03:10:55 PM  

you_idiot: "Cleaning gun" is dumbass cover-code for "was twirling it around like Robocop".

Pretty much nobody discharges the gun while "cleaning", it's all jack-assery.


False. Former coworker of mine had a brand-spankin new unfired Springfield XD for all of 90 minutes and planted a Hydrashok two feet from his best friend's head while cleaning (or just starting to clean). Dry-firing is part of the field-stripping process, and even with the huge loaded-chamber indicator sticking out he managed to tear 3 holes in his gf's mom's apartment walls. Yes he was drinking.
 
2011-08-08 03:28:01 PM  

Kalashinator: you_idiot: "Cleaning gun" is dumbass cover-code for "was twirling it around like Robocop".

Pretty much nobody discharges the gun while "cleaning", it's all jack-assery.

False. Former coworker of mine had a brand-spankin new unfired Springfield XD for all of 90 minutes and planted a Hydrashok two feet from his best friend's head while cleaning (or just starting to clean). Dry-firing is part of the field-stripping process, and even with the huge loaded-chamber indicator sticking out he managed to tear 3 holes in his gf's mom's apartment walls. Yes he was drinking.


Why would you buy a gun, load it, and THEN start cleaning it? A LOT of drinking?
 
2011-08-08 03:32:24 PM  
I've clean a .45 cal many, many times. Procedure:

Step 1. remove the clip and clear the chamber
Step 2. repeat step 1

etc...

Any dumbass who shoots someone while cleaning a gun should have his permit revoked and the his guns confiscated.
 
2011-08-08 03:32:55 PM  

Kalashinator: you_idiot: "Cleaning gun" is dumbass cover-code for "was twirling it around like Robocop".

Pretty much nobody discharges the gun while "cleaning", it's all jack-assery.

False. Former coworker of mine had a brand-spankin new unfired Springfield XD for all of 90 minutes and planted a Hydrashok two feet from his best friend's head while cleaning (or just starting to clean). Dry-firing is part of the field-stripping process, and even with the huge loaded-chamber indicator sticking out he managed to tear 3 holes in his gf's mom's apartment walls. Yes he was drinking.


I'd argue that if he was drinking and didn't actually check the chamber, that would doubly count as jack-assery.
 
2011-08-08 03:33:58 PM  

JackieRabbit: I've clean a .45 cal many, many times. Procedure:

Step 1. remove the clip and clear the chamber
Step 2. repeat step 1

etc...

Any dumbass who shoots someone while cleaning a gun should have his permit revoked and the his guns confiscated.


Seriously... It's idiots like this who make me wish everyone had mandatory gun safety classes in middle schools.
 
2011-08-08 03:43:52 PM  

BravadoGT: Why would you buy a gun, load it, and THEN start cleaning it? A LOT of drinking?


Surprisingly he wasn't flat-out drunk like normal. He's just an idiot attractive and successful Caucasian-American who thinks he needed a gun. Not the first illegal/idiotic thing he's done with a gun, not the last. His county's sheriff's department is just as stupid, since I've told them how f*cking stupid he is and the fact he's confessed to multiple armed robberies. They promptly issued him a CCW permit anyway.
 
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