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(USA Today)   The rate at which our National Parks kill people has gone down this year...so far   (usatoday.com) divider line 56
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2011-08-08 09:27:51 AM  
Too many people treat Nature like a theme park, and it turns on them with fatal consequences.....and they end up as bear poop.
 
2011-08-08 09:28:22 AM  
Wait until the bears start getting frisky.
 
2011-08-08 09:30:59 AM  
Of course the death rate has gone down in National Parks now that they keep the black people away...
 
Skr
2011-08-08 09:32:47 AM  
Says Jeff Olson, a park service spokesman, "We'd be happy if we've seen the last fatality."

I've heard of voyeurism taken to extremes, but surely Jeff! Wanting to watch the last fatality is just crude and insensitive!
 
2011-08-08 09:33:34 AM  

Maud Dib: Too many people treat Nature like a theme park, and it turns on them with fatal consequences.....and they end up as bear poop.


So...What you're saying is...is that bears in the national parks aren't tame and aren't there to take tourist for rides? Damn, I'm cancelling my vacation to Yellowstone then.
 
2011-08-08 09:33:39 AM  
Well that's what happens when you cut funding... loss of services.

=Smidge=
 
2011-08-08 09:34:00 AM  
Most of these deaths are attributed to Darwin
 
2011-08-08 09:34:08 AM  
OK, now I'm envisioning Mt. Rushmore going "OM NOM NOM".
 
2011-08-08 09:35:14 AM  
Duh. No one's going on vacation anymore.
 
2011-08-08 09:38:31 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Duh. No one's going on vacation anymore.


In THIS economy!?
 
2011-08-08 09:38:50 AM  
I went on a National park Tour this April (Arches, Canyonland, Zion, Bryce, Yosemite, kings, Sequia, Joshua and Death valley, and survived so i added to these stats!

Here's (new window) my hike to the Delicate Arch.
 
2011-08-08 09:39:43 AM  
Link (new window)

Related link referred to in TFA. Record snowfall in the Sierra's made this a good water year, but a dangerous rec year.
 
2011-08-08 09:39:52 AM  
What great writing. The premise of the article is fewer deaths yet all he does is give example of parks that have had more deaths that last year.
 
2011-08-08 09:46:56 AM  
Some day, Yellowstone may kill us all...
 
2011-08-08 09:50:44 AM  

Kyle Butler: Most of these deaths are attributed to Darwin


I just got back from spending 5 days in Great Smoky Mountains National Park so I am getting a kick....

Yesterday there was a bull elk next to the road so of course people got out of their cars and approached it to take a picture. I slowed down, took a picture as I went past, and didn't wait around to see if Darwin decided to bring someone home.
 
2011-08-08 09:50:51 AM  

Smidge204: Well that's what happens when you cut funding... loss of services.

=Smidge=


I'm all for public funding, but what would more money do -- created bigger warning signs? Perhaps with flashing lights and a video of how it looks when you get swept over a waterfall.

"I didn't kill my wife!"

"I don't care"

--jump--
 
2011-08-08 09:54:03 AM  
aren't a lot of them closing due to budget cuts?
 
2011-08-08 09:55:35 AM  
I was going through Yellowstone park with my grandma once. This momma black bear and her two clubs were hanging out in the road playing, so we sat and watched for them to be done. The people in the car behind us got out with their two young kids (a toddler and maybe 4-5). The mom was prepping them on how to properly pet the cubs. I rolled down the window and said if they got two more steps towards those animals I would personally kick their asses as soon as the bears left. The mom panicked and got back in the car and the dad looked pissed. They followed us to the next stop where he proceeded to scream at me (I told my dear grandma to stay in the car since I had choice words for the guy).

At the heat of the argument he told me I ruined their photo opportunity and I was an idiot since all the animals were trained on interacting with humans. Luckily a park ranger happened to hear that and came over to set the guy straight. He then yelled at us both for ruining their vacation, the park for not training the animals and me for stopping them for being idiots.

With as a big an arse he was being I wish I wouldn't have stopped them now. Maybe losing a kid or two would have cemented it in his mind the world doesn't revolve around his family.
 
2011-08-08 10:01:20 AM  
Jellystone has trained bears.
 
2011-08-08 10:01:36 AM  
Lots of people staying home this year.
 
2011-08-08 10:05:04 AM  
I saw my first fleeting sight of a bear in the wild this year and got so excited that I ran after it.

I got about fifty feet before the thought passed my mind that maybe this wasn't the best gameplan.
 
2011-08-08 10:06:15 AM  

hailin: I was going through Yellowstone park with my grandma once. This momma black bear and her two clubs were hanging out in the road playing, so we sat and watched for them to be done. The people in the car behind us got out with their two young kids (a toddler and maybe 4-5). The mom was prepping them on how to properly pet the cubs. I rolled down the window and said if they got two more steps towards those animals I would personally kick their asses as soon as the bears left. The mom panicked and got back in the car and the dad looked pissed. They followed us to the next stop where he proceeded to scream at me (I told my dear grandma to stay in the car since I had choice words for the guy).

At the heat of the argument he told me I ruined their photo opportunity and I was an idiot since all the animals were trained on interacting with humans. Luckily a park ranger happened to hear that and came over to set the guy straight. He then yelled at us both for ruining their vacation, the park for not training the animals and me for stopping them for being idiots.

With as a big an arse he was being I wish I wouldn't have stopped them now. Maybe losing a kid or two would have cemented it in his mind the world doesn't revolve around his family.


Don't worry, haven't you seen Final Destination? Death doesn't like to get interrupted.
 
2011-08-08 10:15:37 AM  
Says Jeff Olson, a park service spokesman, "We'd be happy if we've seen the last fatality."

I, on the other hand, would like to see one or two more before my blood-lust is sated.
 
2011-08-08 10:17:04 AM  
www.oshkosh365.org

godless killing machines
 
2011-08-08 10:17:14 AM  

hailin: I was going through Yellowstone park with my grandma once. This momma black bear and her two clubs were hanging out in the road playing, so we sat and watched for them to be done. The people in the car behind us got out with their two young kids (a toddler and maybe 4-5). The mom was prepping them on how to properly pet the cubs. I rolled down the window and said if they got two more steps towards those animals I would personally kick their asses as soon as the bears left. The mom panicked and got back in the car and the dad looked pissed. They followed us to the next stop where he proceeded to scream at me (I told my dear grandma to stay in the car since I had choice words for the guy).

At the heat of the argument he told me I ruined their photo opportunity and I was an idiot since all the animals were trained on interacting with humans. Luckily a park ranger happened to hear that and came over to set the guy straight. He then yelled at us both for ruining their vacation, the park for not training the animals and me for stopping them for being idiots.

With as a big an arse he was being I wish I wouldn't have stopped them now. Maybe losing a kid or two would have cemented it in his mind the world doesn't revolve around his family.


You did humanity a great disservice by not allowing that family to be removed from the gene pool.
 
2011-08-08 10:17:30 AM  
How can fatalities in national parks possibly be down? I thought the canyons and valleys were going to be running rust red with blood after concealed carry was approved! The Brady Campaign lied to me!
 
2011-08-08 10:20:43 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Duh. No one's going on vacation anymore.


Those exorbitant National Park entrance fees are forcing people to go to Disney World instead?
 
2011-08-08 10:29:35 AM  
I just got back from a week in Acadia. It's pure luck that there have not been more deaths. I hiked a trail one morning with a sign that said something like "CAUTION: The Precipice is not a hiking route. It is a non-technical climbing route. Attempt it only if you have proper footwear, are physically fit and have experience near open cliffs. People have been seriously injured and others have died on this mountainside." The sign was a little melodramatic in my opinion, but I saw morons from more than one party wearing flip-flops and certainly nor respecting the consequences of a fall. On another hike on another day, I encountered a family of four lunching on the summit of a small mountain, miles from any trailhead. The father was scolding one of the kids to "drink slower, that's all the water we have" as he sipped from a 1/4 full, 32-oz Nalgene. Near the Thunder Hole, I witnessed children scampering along uneven, damp rocks next to 8, 10, 12 foot drops while their parents laughed and took photos. I saw a pair of 20-somethings out on some rocks get jammed up because they didn't realize the tide was coming in.

I love our national parks, but they're not tourist-proof nor should they be. People need to be better educated about the dangers of leaving the beaten path unprepared.
 
2011-08-08 10:33:26 AM  
Deaths are down and then there's people like this woman. (new window)

Widow of man gored by goat files $10 million suit against park

PORT ANGELES, Wash. -- Wrongful death and personal injury claims totaling $10,022,700 have been made against Olympic National Park over the death of Bob Boardman, and a full-blown lawsuit may be imminent, according to his estate's lawyer.

Does the National Park Service even Have 10 million dollars in reserve?
 
2011-08-08 10:38:57 AM  

brap: I saw my first fleeting sight of a bear in the wild this year and got so excited that I ran after it.

I got about fifty feet before the thought passed my mind that maybe this wasn't the best gameplan.


4 years or so ago, was hiking with the family. Infant, 4 year old, and a 9 year old, the wife and me. Infant on my back in a backpack. Then we saw a black bear juvenile coming up the trail we were going down. Even with my experience, I was overwhelmed. I got out the camera and waited for the bear to get closer, and closer, and closer...eventually I can tell by the pics, that the bear was no more than 12 feet from me...and my infant son.

Cool pics though. And the bear didn't eat us. Probably a good think I skipped the bacon breakfast that morning.
 
2011-08-08 10:42:15 AM  

Momzilla59: Deaths are down and then there's people like this woman. (new window)

Widow of man gored by goat files $10 million suit against park

PORT ANGELES, Wash. -- Wrongful death and personal injury claims totaling $10,022,700 have been made against Olympic National Park over the death of Bob Boardman, and a full-blown lawsuit may be imminent, according to his estate's lawyer.

Does the National Park Service even Have 10 million dollars in reserve?


I pray that the first judge to hear this case throws it out. I feel bad for the ladies dead hubby, but thinking the park system liable is just ridiculous.
 
2011-08-08 10:42:52 AM  
Funny, that headline was about as poorly written as USA Today.
 
2011-08-08 10:43:10 AM  
Kurt Repanshek, editor of National Parks Traveler, says visitors need to be responsible for their safety.
"People on vacation are more laid-back than maybe they should be," he says. "They encounter conditions they are not expecting or prepared for. ... They need to be careful out there and use their best judgment, because conditions can be worse than what they are used to. are stupid."


Thanks for clearing that up for us, Kurt.

Actually it makes me sad that people are so removed from nature anymore that they can't even tell if it's going to rain or not, or know what a "wild animal" is. I'm with all those people who say that our disconnect from nature is doing bad things to us mentally, not to mention what we're doing to nature because we think we're not a part of it.
 
2011-08-08 10:52:53 AM  

lizyrd: I just got back from a week in Acadia. It's pure luck that there have not been more deaths. I hiked a trail one morning with a sign that said something like "CAUTION: The Precipice is not a hiking route. It is a non-technical climbing route. Attempt it only if you have proper footwear, are physically fit and have experience near open cliffs. People have been seriously injured and others have died on this mountainside." The sign was a little melodramatic in my opinion, but I saw morons from more than one party wearing flip-flops and certainly nor respecting the consequences of a fall.


As I was coming down from the Beehive two months ago, I saw a family at the base in flip flops who were discussing whether to climb. The father said, "we'll just go up a little and if it's too hard we'll come back down." Great parenting, dipshiat.

Meanwhile, I saw a guy trying to hike down the cliff side and he ended up slipping and bashing his face open pretty good.

And then I overheard some idiot by Sand Beach say "the Sun is out today so the water should be pretty warm." How do these idiots survive?

Bah, there's too many people in that section of the park. I need to go in May when no one is there.
 
2011-08-08 11:03:52 AM  
Has anyone heard of any falls at Red River Gorge this year? I've always heard there's at least one person that falls from a cliff or ridge every summer.

Haven't been down to the Gorge yet this summer. Too bloody hot. Think I might wait until autumn.
 
2011-08-08 11:09:02 AM  
Since their budgets were cut, there are fewer employees out looking for missing people, hence fewer people found dead in the national parks. Problem solved, good work guys!
 
2011-08-08 11:10:19 AM  

I_C_Weener: ...Even with my experience, I was overwhelmed. I got out the camera and waited for the bear to get closer, and closer, and closer...eventually I can tell by the pics, that the bear was no more than 12 feet from me...and my infant son...


The most terrifying part of that story?

You have children.
 
2011-08-08 11:10:21 AM  
Great! That's just great, just what we all need, more bad news.
 
2011-08-08 11:11:17 AM  
Just got back from Glacier NP and a few other parks last week; I overheard some teenagers say a woman died that day on a trail they were planning to hike (which of course shut down the trail). My sister and cousin had planned to hike to Grinnel Glacier, only that trail was also shut down because a grizzly bear 'acquired' food - it was unknown at the time if it was fed on purpose or chased off a hiker from their lunch. Also saw some nitwits driving closely to Bison and mountain goats for pictures.

Overall most of the people I saw seemed prepared, but that may be because Glacier has signs all over the place warning about the bears, mountain lions, drowning deaths (#1 cause there). The only people I saw that were under dressed or acting stupidly were the ones that hadn't really left the parking areas. I will say the folks in shorts and flip flops that took the shuttle up to Logan Pass (temp: 40~, windy, still four feet of snow on the ground) were highly amusing, but they appeared to be from a warm climate and probably didn't realize what they were getting into.
 
2011-08-08 11:13:36 AM  

Rapmaster2000: As I was coming down from the Beehive two months ago, I saw a family at the base in flip flops who were discussing whether to climb. The father said, "we'll just go up a little and if it's too hard we'll come back down." Great parenting, dipshiat.


There's a state park near my parents' house that is close to a smallish city. The trail runs through a gorge and goes up a very rock stream and several waterfalls. It's always wet, and thus always slippery. The Rangers had put up a sign at the bottom that warns about the trail (difficult trail, wear good hiking shoes, etc.) and is also where they post news clippings about the people they've had to get pulled out by helos or carried out with serious injuries.

Every damn time we go you see morons like that. Last time was a family group where one girl was in a strapless top, short skirt, flip flops, and fake pearls heading up a set of steps cut into the rock. Then we passed two obese women walking in who, despite being maybe 200 yards from the parking lot, had gone through half a 20oz bottle of water. Which was their only gear. Both groups looked at us funny since I was in real hiking clothes with day packs (and a good first aid kit).

I swear these people think the woods and wilderness areas are like less well maintained city parks.
 
2011-08-08 11:13:57 AM  
Park rangers are there to protect the people from the park and to protect the park from the people. Sometimes the park wins.

/former NPS ranger, Shenandoah NP
//feed the rangers, not the bears.
 
2011-08-08 11:14:31 AM  

cgraves67: You did humanity a great disservice by not allowing that family to be removed from the gene pool.


Yeah, but I was thinking more about the momma bear. It wouldn't be fair to kill her for simply defending her cubs from idiots.Though Yellowstone has taken a better stance on this as of late. A mauling isn't an automatic death sentence anymore.
 
2011-08-08 11:21:34 AM  

brap: I_C_Weener: ...Even with my experience, I was overwhelmed. I got out the camera and waited for the bear to get closer, and closer, and closer...eventually I can tell by the pics, that the bear was no more than 12 feet from me...and my infant son...

The most terrifying part of that story?

You have children.


Its okay. 2 of them bite...a lot. I mean, I've been chewed on more than the protagonist in a zombie movie.
 
2011-08-08 11:52:48 AM  
Apparently when they get the right to marry, as if a civil union wont work
 
2011-08-08 11:55:38 AM  
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2011-08-08 12:02:20 PM  
Who knew the outdoorsy type could be just as smug and self righteous as anyone else?
 
2011-08-08 12:06:42 PM  
We went to Yellowstone a month ago--actually arrived the day of the bear mauling (our reservation campsite was ~4 miles from that trail). The park went into safety mode; a few day trails my man toy went to look at were either closed due to bear activity, or required a group of 4+.

We saw grizzlies at a distance, and black bear cubs playing alongside the road while the mom foraged. In neither cases did I want to get any closer--although in the car looking at the black bears pretty close was cool. With the grizzlies, I was intensely glad there was a small pond and an additional 100 yards between us. I can't imagine seeing one approaching--or even in the woods--and not getting the F out of there/waiting for it to approach. ( think I_C_Weener was making up stuff...surely!)

It took some of the fun out of the short tiny hikes we did, just because I was afraid of sneaking up on a bear accidentally. Then again, I'm a birdwatching fan, so I don't like having to clap hands/make noise with the bear bell... but I was afraid to sit still and quiet, too. :P

I did see an idiot with 2 kids around the age of 10 going up a hill to a field where, as we were driving by, I saw a buffalo kicking/trotting around energetically. I didn't wait to see if Darwin gave them an award.

If pictures are that important to you, invest in a good lens, for Christ's sake. Don't put yourself and the bears/wildlife at jeopardy because you're an idiot. Other people want to appreciate them, too. Just more responsibly.
 
2011-08-08 12:45:38 PM  
MentalPAtient87- That is funny as all shiat in a sort of subtle way. *Laughs and golf claps*
 
2011-08-08 12:55:19 PM  
The people that died at Vernal Falls killed themselves.
 
2011-08-08 12:59:31 PM  
I feel safer in National Parks now. President Obama signed in a law to allow firearms in federal parks.

Don't have to carry a big stick and hope mountain lions go for the dog first. :P
 
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