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2011-08-08 09:03:07 AM
In the butt, Bob?
 
2011-08-08 09:37:52 AM
Copper is not used on gas lines, moran!
 
2011-08-08 09:51:39 AM

real shaman: Copper is not used on gas lines, moran!


acting stupid doesn't fit you well
 
2011-08-08 09:52:07 AM
"And they did for the copper."

Poor copper, he's done for.
 
2011-08-08 09:54:19 AM

real shaman: Copper is not used on gas lines, moran!


It used to be, and it hasn't been replaced in all homes yet.
 
2011-08-08 09:57:04 AM
Reporters Dilemma

*looking at notes*

"You'll never get me copper!"

"Hmmmmm, was this a quote from the thief or the business-owning leprachaun? I've got to start taking better notes and lay off the mai tais.
 
2011-08-08 09:57:49 AM
Why is our country and each of the states allowing this to happen? This is really causing a lot of problems. It seems that states and the federal government are always able to pass a new law when some cute white girl gets harmed but when entire communities are harmed, nothing but crickets.

This should be easy enough to enforce by requiring everyone who sells scrap metal to be fingerprinted and photographed as well as requiring them to lost where they got the scrap. They should even go further and require licensing and bonding for people who wish to sell all scrap metal that is part of catalytic converters and any copper. Why is this crap still going on. There will be a point where people will worry more about having their air conditioner stolen while they are at work than those who worry about house burglary.
 
2011-08-08 09:58:30 AM
Bartertown?
 
2011-08-08 09:59:05 AM

real shaman: Copper is not used on gas lines, moran!


many of the valves are or have parts made of brass, so there's that. And plenty of brass in the meters themselves.
 
2011-08-08 10:00:32 AM
Can you spare some copper me brother?
 
2011-08-08 10:01:57 AM
Aw hell, Florida has nothing on the great state of Louisiana, where some dipshiat cut into the ground wire of an electrical substation for the copper.
 
2011-08-08 10:02:11 AM

rev. dave: Why is our country and each of the states allowing this to happen? This is really causing a lot of problems. It seems that states and the federal government are always able to pass a new law when some cute white girl gets harmed but when entire communities are harmed, nothing but crickets.

This should be easy enough to enforce by requiring everyone who sells scrap metal to be fingerprinted and photographed as well as requiring them to lost where they got the scrap. They should even go further and require licensing and bonding for people who wish to sell all scrap metal that is part of catalytic converters and any copper. Why is this crap still going on. There will be a point where people will worry more about having their air conditioner stolen while they are at work than those who worry about house burglary.


Just what we need, more govt rules to put people out of jobs. I there were less choking business regulations many more people be employed and not going around stealing stuff to scrap.
 
2011-08-08 10:03:51 AM
thats not scrap. wow some people are dumb and poor.
 
2011-08-08 10:09:40 AM

rev. dave: Why is our country and each of the states allowing this to happen? This is really causing a lot of problems. It seems that states and the federal government are always able to pass a new law when some cute white girl gets harmed but when entire communities are harmed, nothing but crickets.

This should be easy enough to enforce by requiring everyone who sells scrap metal to be fingerprinted and photographed as well as requiring them to lost where they got the scrap. They should even go further and require licensing and bonding for people who wish to sell all scrap metal that is part of catalytic converters and any copper. Why is this crap still going on. There will be a point where people will worry more about having their air conditioner stolen while they are at work than those who worry about house burglary.


How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.
 
2011-08-08 10:09:44 AM
And some scrapyard will take the gas meters and declare that they thought the guy driving the '83 Chevy S10 worked for the county.
Just like the scrapyard around here that took the cemetary urns and declared they didn't know they were stolen.
 
2011-08-08 10:13:29 AM
>We learned that on the night of the theft, deputies caught three people behind the plaza next door with burglary tools, and a ripped open AC unit. Right now, those three haven't been charged with this crime, but deputies believe they could be involved.

Ya think?
 
2011-08-08 10:21:26 AM
It's gonna get to the point people are going to shoot these jerks.

You're costing owners hundreds or thousands of dollars for 20-30 bucks. You'd be better off stealing their car.

Anyone who steals metal for scrap is stupid. The amount of labor it takes ain't worth it. Spend an honest day of labor and you'll make more money. That's why it's almost never illegal immigrants stealing copper. They'll spend all day in the hot sun swinging a hammer first.
 
2011-08-08 10:22:21 AM

Honest Bender: rev. dave: Why is our country and each of the states allowing this to happen? This is really causing a lot of problems. It seems that states and the federal government are always able to pass a new law when some cute white girl gets harmed but when entire communities are harmed, nothing but crickets.

This should be easy enough to enforce by requiring everyone who sells scrap metal to be fingerprinted and photographed as well as requiring them to lost where they got the scrap. They should even go further and require licensing and bonding for people who wish to sell all scrap metal that is part of catalytic converters and any copper. Why is this crap still going on. There will be a point where people will worry more about having their air conditioner stolen while they are at work than those who worry about house burglary.


How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.




I see my point has already been made for me, but I might add: the same thing applies to gun laws. Making it more difficult to buy guns doesn't matter to people who steal them to use illegally.
 
2011-08-08 10:22:59 AM

Honest Bender:

How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.


And your attitude is why this country is falling apart. We have too many rules about stupid crap that does not matter so when we need a law to close a hole in the law, you resist the wrong law. We need laws to protect us from the criminals who run scrap recycling. If they go out of business then that does not hurt the community as much as businesses and churches having to replace 1000s of dollars of equipment for less than a hundred dollars of scrap.
 
2011-08-08 10:25:48 AM
Guess where?

Europe?

Been happening for decades. Every once in a while, they discover a new crispy body around electricity installations. US criminals are just now catching up on the exciting and thrilling potentials of obtaining scrap metal?
 
2011-08-08 10:25:56 AM
Twice....i went to one of my offices in Sarasota (i'm in NJ)....and twice....thieves stole the farking water meter for the copper. You know what it's like doing a weekend IT project and you have to drive offsite to take a dump?
 
2011-08-08 10:30:16 AM
Just last week someone stole the A/C unit from an elderly woman's home where she lived by herself in one of the nearby towns. She couldn't afford to get it replaced (and someone would steal it anyway so what's the point), so she died in her home as a result of the high 95+ degree heat we've been getting lately.

/copper thieves should be shot
 
2011-08-08 10:34:59 AM
At my local scrap yard the guys do all they can to screen for theft but things still get by due to how it works:

Basically a guy drives his truck onto their scale and they record the weight.
Then he dumps out his haul in the common area out back and then drives back to the scale where the weight is again recorded.

The guy then parks and walks inside to collect the money for the scrap he just dumped out back and the clerks collect all of the documentation. Things like copper, aluminum and stainless are usually separated out before they drive onto the scale which catches most of the thieves and stolen items before they even enter the building.
 
2011-08-08 10:43:24 AM

Honest Bender: rev. dave: Why is our country and each of the states allowing this to happen? This is really causing a lot of problems. It seems that states and the federal government are always able to pass a new law when some cute white girl gets harmed but when entire communities are harmed, nothing but crickets.

This should be easy enough to enforce by requiring everyone who sells scrap metal to be fingerprinted and photographed as well as requiring them to lost where they got the scrap. They should even go further and require licensing and bonding for people who wish to sell all scrap metal that is part of catalytic converters and any copper. Why is this crap still going on. There will be a point where people will worry more about having their air conditioner stolen while they are at work than those who worry about house burglary.

How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.


Yes, because having to put down your name when selling scrap is such a pain in the ass? I think all these recycling businesses should have rules slapped on them just like pawn shops. It helps law enforcement track who is selling what. This shiat is getting ridiculous.
 
2011-08-08 10:44:47 AM
Scientists are working on exploding copper.

It explodes when it comes into contact with tweakers.

Coroner's offices all across the country are preparing for a killing workload.
 
2011-08-08 10:48:20 AM

rev. dave: Honest Bender:

How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.

And your attitude is why this country is falling apart. We have too many rules about stupid crap that does not matter so when we need a law to close a hole in the law, you resist the wrong law. We need laws to protect us from the criminals who run scrap recycling. If they go out of business then that does not hurt the community as much as businesses and churches having to replace 1000s of dollars of equipment for less than a hundred dollars of scrap.



You seem to keep missing the point: If the scrap yard owners are criminals, they're going to ignore the laws and continue doing business unless/until they're caught. Florida state law already makes it easier to catch thieves:


Florida Law Details:
Scrap recyclers must maintain a record of all purchases for five years that must include a copy of the seller's driver's licence and fingerprints as well as notes on distinguishing features of the seller and his or her signature under a sworn statement of ownership.If the purchase involves a beer keg, the seller must provide written documentation from the manufacturer that the seller is the owner of the keg or an employee or agent of the manufacturer.Payment for sales exceeding $1,000 must be made by check.
Scraplaws.com (pops)


What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?
 
2011-08-08 10:53:57 AM

rev. dave: Honest Bender:

How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.

And your attitude is why this country is falling apart. We have too many rules about stupid crap that does not matter so when we need a law to close a hole in the law, you resist the wrong law. We need laws to protect us from the criminals who run scrap recycling. If they go out of business then that does not hurt the community as much as businesses and churches having to replace 1000s of dollars of equipment for less than a hundred dollars of scrap.


What loop holes? Theft is already illegal. What we need to do is start investigating crimes again instead of using the police as a source of revenue and insurance paperwork.
 
2011-08-08 10:56:47 AM

Everyones whipping boy: Yes, because having to put down your name when selling scrap is such a pain in the ass? I think all these recycling businesses should have rules slapped on them just like pawn shops. It helps law enforcement track who is selling what. This shiat is getting ridiculous.


While this shiat is getting ridiculous, I'm not sure how you think this will help. Lots of states have already implemented tough rules requiring much more than that, but so what?

It's scrap metal. It's not a computer or a set of golf clubs, where you can give the police the serial number and a photograph and they might just be able to recognize it. A lot of this is stuff is being sold by the hundreds or thousands of tons on monthly contracts from big producers. If you find a way to prevent addicts from selling directly to end buyers, they'll sell it to unscrupulous front operations who will throw it into a shredder and then right onto the giant pile of anonymous zorba or whatever it is that they're loading onto the truck.
 
2011-08-08 10:58:09 AM
We didn't have to guess. We saw the florida tag.
 
2011-08-08 11:06:26 AM

adeist69:
What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?


Thank you for asking:
1. Only licensed and bonded scrap metal dealers should be allowed.
2. No copper pipes, air conditioning parts or melted copper allowed - that must be recycled by air conditioning installers and companies
3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.
4. Scrap metal theft should be punished as severely as drug crime, by the ounce and pound. Because 1lb of scrap metal can cause real social harm.
 
2011-08-08 11:13:14 AM
Thieves should be shot in the head.
 
2011-08-08 11:13:23 AM

rev. dave: adeist69:
What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?

Thank you for asking:
1. Only licensed and bonded scrap metal dealers should be allowed.
2. No copper pipes, air conditioning parts or melted copper allowed - that must be recycled by air conditioning installers and companies
3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.
4. Scrap metal theft should be punished as severely as drug crime, by the ounce and pound. Because 1lb of scrap metal can cause real social harm.


What, no prostate exams?

/A/c installers and companies are the big winners in your scenario.
//Not sure if that's your intention
 
2011-08-08 11:15:55 AM

rev. dave: adeist69:
What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?

Thank you for asking:
1. Only licensed and bonded scrap metal dealers should be allowed.
2. No copper pipes, air conditioning parts or melted copper allowed - that must be recycled by air conditioning installers and companies
3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.
4. Scrap metal theft should be punished as severely as drug crime, by the ounce and pound. Because 1lb of scrap metal can cause real social harm.




I'm sure grandma & grandpa who supplement their meager retirements and social security by picking up aluminum cans will appreciate your foresightedness. Why don't you just go ahead and make us all wards of the state while you're at it?
 
2011-08-08 11:16:06 AM

rev. dave: adeist69:
What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?

Thank you for asking:
1. Only licensed and bonded scrap metal dealers should be allowed.
2. No copper pipes, air conditioning parts or melted copper allowed - that must be recycled by air conditioning installers and companies
3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.
4. Scrap metal theft should be punished as severely as drug crime, by the ounce and pound. Because 1lb of scrap metal can cause real social harm.


So if I have metal laying around, I should just give it to someone instead of being compensated for it. A better pplan is booby traps that blow outward and kill the thieves.
 
2011-08-08 11:16:32 AM

untaken_name: rev. dave: adeist69:
What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?

Thank you for asking:
1. Only licensed and bonded scrap metal dealers should be allowed.
2. No copper pipes, air conditioning parts or melted copper allowed - that must be recycled by air conditioning installers and companies
3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.
4. Scrap metal theft should be punished as severely as drug crime, by the ounce and pound. Because 1lb of scrap metal can cause real social harm.

What, no prostate exams?

/A/c installers and companies are the big winners in your scenario.
//Not sure if that's your intention


Yeah that was the intention. The prostate exam would deter all but the most dedicated drug users ;). Who recycles freon? AC companies, they could add another item.
 
2011-08-08 11:17:22 AM
Some meth-mouth farkers ripped the copper gas lines out of my family's farmhouse a few weeks ago, filling the place with gas. Luckily, we keep the power turned off, and there was nothing to create a spark.
I don't like silly laws, or incarceration for minor offenses, but scrap metal is frequently taken in ways that are dangerous and destructive. Traficking in ilicit scrap should carry multi-decade sentences, really.
 
2011-08-08 11:19:51 AM

rev. dave: untaken_name: rev. dave: adeist69:
What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?

Thank you for asking:
1. Only licensed and bonded scrap metal dealers should be allowed.
2. No copper pipes, air conditioning parts or melted copper allowed - that must be recycled by air conditioning installers and companies
3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.
4. Scrap metal theft should be punished as severely as drug crime, by the ounce and pound. Because 1lb of scrap metal can cause real social harm.

What, no prostate exams?

/A/c installers and companies are the big winners in your scenario.
//Not sure if that's your intention

Yeah that was the intention. The prostate exam would deter all but the most dedicated drug users ;). Who recycles freon? AC companies, they could add another item.


They would buy all the pipe and melted copper that is currently sold to recycling centers for less money than the recycling centers currently pay. Then they'll sell it using their legally-enforced monopoly you just gave them. That's what I mean. Unless you expect the A/C companies to get in the business of actually processing the copper into new pipes and such, in which case, AHAHAHahahahAHahHAahahah.
 
2011-08-08 11:28:24 AM
It's not a secret if it's announced in the tag.
That's all I'm saying. Maybe I just missed the point.
 
2011-08-08 11:32:55 AM
Wait..I know this....it happened at the site of the subsequent gas explosion!

/Did I win?
 
2011-08-08 11:35:13 AM

rev. dave: 3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.


I LOLed.
 
2011-08-08 11:38:09 AM

adeist69: How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.



I see my point has already been made for me, but I might add: the same thing applies to gun laws. Making it more difficult to buy guns doesn't matter to people who steal them to use illegally.


Except that the only way to make money selling scrap is to sell it to a dealer who has the resources to process it for the valuable metals and recycle it. Making laws against criminals may be like pissing into the ocean but regulation otherwise legal businesses could be very effective in discouraging those businesses from enabling illegal behavior.

/nobody is stealing copper fittings to use them in convenience store robberies
 
2011-08-08 11:44:45 AM

rev. dave: Why is our country and each of the states allowing this to happen? This is really causing a lot of problems. It seems that states and the federal government are always able to pass a new law when some cute white girl gets harmed but when entire communities are harmed, nothing but crickets.

This should be easy enough to enforce by requiring everyone who sells scrap metal to be fingerprinted and photographed as well as requiring them to lost where they got the scrap. They should even go further and require licensing and bonding for people who wish to sell all scrap metal that is part of catalytic converters and any copper. Why is this crap still going on. There will be a point where people will worry more about having their air conditioner stolen while they are at work than those who worry about house burglary.


You are so right; it's not like anyone ever identifies themselves as someone else; nope that never happens. Also, no one ever lies about where they got anything, ever.

Where are you going to get the money to pay for this extra screening? Unless you didn't notice; we're kind of broke right now.

If you want to accomplish something; go after the scrap dealers themselves. Most are honest enough; but there are scrap dealers who knowingly take stuff from ralph the bum; they are the ones buying stolen scrap.
 
2011-08-08 11:51:02 AM

beezeltown: Some meth-mouth farkers ripped the copper gas lines out of my family's farmhouse a few weeks ago, filling the place with gas. Luckily, we keep the power turned off, and there was nothing to create a spark.
I don't like silly laws, or incarceration for minor offenses, but scrap metal is frequently taken in ways that are dangerous and destructive. Traficking in ilicit scrap should carry multi-decade sentences, really.


Chances are good that anyone who steals copper like that is a meth addict, no one else is that crazy. The only possible solution is to booby trap all of it so they die during the act of stealing. Seriously.
 
2011-08-08 11:55:56 AM

maram500: Aw hell, Florida has nothing on the great state of Louisiana, where some dipshiat cut into the ground wire of an electrical substation for the copper.


Why is that stupid? Ground is only used if there's a short, so most of the time it should be perfectly safe to steal it.
 
2011-08-08 11:59:02 AM
for starters, if the gas line is active, then it would not be scrap. Oklahoma has some laws in place to try and keep copper theft down. You do have to show an unexpired drivers license and tell the place you are selling it where you got it. I for one have helped my dad tear down old houses and we took the wiring out and after stripping off the plastic, we coiled up the copper and sold it. We had to sign an affidavit stating we didn't steal it as well as them making photocopies of our license and taking down our tag number. granted there are probably scrap dealers out there who operate on the dl that these thieves know about and utilize them, i personally try and go to the ones that either are national or at least regional companies.
 
2011-08-08 12:02:08 PM
Well I see that the responses to my suggestions are basically "No we can't do anything" without any suggestions (you sound like republicans) . Maybe if you were all victims of this, then you may change your mind.
 
2011-08-08 01:12:23 PM

adeist69: rev. dave: Honest Bender:

How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.

And your attitude is why this country is falling apart. We have too many rules about stupid crap that does not matter so when we need a law to close a hole in the law, you resist the wrong law. We need laws to protect us from the criminals who run scrap recycling. If they go out of business then that does not hurt the community as much as businesses and churches having to replace 1000s of dollars of equipment for less than a hundred dollars of scrap.


You seem to keep missing the point: If the scrap yard owners are criminals, they're going to ignore the laws and continue doing business unless/until they're caught. Florida state law already makes it easier to catch thieves:


Florida Law Details:
Scrap recyclers must maintain a record of all purchases for five years that must include a copy of the seller's driver's licence and fingerprints as well as notes on distinguishing features of the seller and his or her signature under a sworn statement of ownership.If the purchase involves a beer keg, the seller must provide written documentation from the manufacturer that the seller is the owner of the keg or an employee or agent of the manufacturer.Payment for sales exceeding $1,000 must be made by check. Scraplaws.com (pops)


What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?


run a few stings on the scrap yards that ignore the laws and put a few of them out of business and or in jail
 
2011-08-08 02:22:06 PM

adeist69: rev. dave: adeist69:
What new laws would you propose that would wipe this crime from the face of the Earth?

Thank you for asking:
1. Only licensed and bonded scrap metal dealers should be allowed.
2. No copper pipes, air conditioning parts or melted copper allowed - that must be recycled by air conditioning installers and companies
3. Private persons cannot sell scrap metal and can only give it to recycling companies.
4. Scrap metal theft should be punished as severely as drug crime, by the ounce and pound. Because 1lb of scrap metal can cause real social harm.

I'm sure grandma & grandpa who supplement their meager retirements and social security by picking up aluminum cans will appreciate your foresightedness. Why don't you just go ahead and make us all wards of the state while you're at it?


Empty soda cans are not the same as bulk copper/aluminum. Soda cans are classified as recyclable trash, not scrap metal. Same with plastic jugs, glass bottles, etc. While valuable to a recycler, these containers are far less valuable than the products contained within them.
 
2011-08-08 02:55:06 PM

Honest Bender: rev. dave: Why is our country and each of the states allowing this to happen? This is really causing a lot of problems. It seems that states and the federal government are always able to pass a new law when some cute white girl gets harmed but when entire communities are harmed, nothing but crickets.

This should be easy enough to enforce by requiring everyone who sells scrap metal to be fingerprinted and photographed as well as requiring them to lost where they got the scrap. They should even go further and require licensing and bonding for people who wish to sell all scrap metal that is part of catalytic converters and any copper. Why is this crap still going on. There will be a point where people will worry more about having their air conditioner stolen while they are at work than those who worry about house burglary.

How many times do we have to go over this. You can't make criminals stop breaking the law by passing more laws. They're already breaking the law! They don't care about breaking the law. Passing more laws just makes life a bigger pain in the ass for the rest of us.


That part is true, however, make the businesses who are buying the crap responsible for what they buy... I bet they would be a helluva lot more careful not to buy stolen scrap then.
 
2011-08-08 02:56:26 PM

cig-mkr: And some scrapyard will take the gas meters and declare that they thought the guy driving the '83 Chevy S10 worked for the county.
Just like the scrapyard around here that took the cemetery urns and declared they didn't know they were stolen.


ignorance is no excuse. Fine the dogshiat out of them... repeat offenses, remove their business license.
 
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