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(Talking Points Memo)   July 27: Tea Party leaders: "If default hurts the Tea Party, so be it." Tea Party today: It's all Obama's fault   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2011-08-08 08:39:07 AM  
It's amazing to me that republicans are considered more financially responsible, even with mountains of evidence to the contrary.
 
2011-08-08 08:48:57 AM  
Well, does the response from these imbeciles really surprise anyone?

The tea party is retarded. Its members are retarded. Its platform is... retarded.
 
2011-08-08 08:56:58 AM  
Martin said default could be good for the country in the long-run, and said she looks to her own painful financial history as an example.

"As somebody who has gone through bankruptcy, I don't want to see our country into trouble that my family went through."


1) The government's (and business') finances are not the same as ma & pa Kettle's. They should not be run the same way.

B) I don't like alcoholics telling me I shouldn't drink and I don't like financially dumb people telling me how my finances should be run.
 
2011-08-08 09:10:03 AM  

EvilEgg: It's amazing to me that republicans are considered more financially responsible, even with mountains of evidence to the contrary.


they own the media. and when you repeat a lie a million times, people believe it.
 
2011-08-08 09:18:05 AM  
borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...


and these are the economic policies that have brought us to the edge today

yet what changes are proposed? borrow, spend, repeat...
 
2011-08-08 09:39:18 AM  
"If a bondholder misses a payment for a day or two or three or four - what is more important is you are putting the government in a materially better position to better pay its bills going forward." - Paul Ryan (R-WI)

I don't think it's going to have an adverse impact on the economy for the days or weeks or perhaps even months that this would continue, I doubt that it would be that long, I doubt that it would be disruptive to the economy per se, but it would be disruptive certainly to the people who are accustomed to and relying on the programs that would necessarily be cut. - Pat Toomey (R-PA)

Well, I think it is, Chuck. [...] Say to the Congress, we'll sequence the spending, pay those debt obligations with the interest as they're due, make sure the military gets paid and taken care of, then let's have the debate on entitlement reform that everybody always gets on your show and shows like this and say, 'Savannah, Chuck, it's time to make the tough decisions' and they never do. The only way the politicians are going to make the tough decisions is to put their backs against the wall. Tim Pawlenty

"When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy." John Boehner

"I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting," he said. "Most of us didn't think that. What we did learn is this - it's a hostage that's worth ransoming. And it focuses the Congress on something that must be done." Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

CAVUTO: I would welcome a downgrade. I really would. I think it would be the pain from which we have a gain.
STOSSEL: Maybe that would wake people up.


Eric Cantor's glaring conflict of interest
He's the GOP's chief debt ceiling negotiator. He's also invested in a fund that will skyrocket if there's a default


"Its not the job of the Tea Party to cut a deal" Matt Kibbe, President of Freedom Works
 
2011-08-08 09:49:33 AM  
The Misinformed Tea Party Movement
For an antitax group, they don't know much about taxes


Cost-Cutters, Except When the Spending Is Back Home
Freshman House Republicans who rode a wave of voter discontent into office last year vowed to stop out-of-control spending, but that has not stopped several of them from quietly trying to funnel millions of federal dollars into projects back home.

Freshman Republicans Lobby Federal Agencies For Millions Amid Spending Critiques

The Rise of Tea Party Keynesianism
Spending money on defense is good because it creates jobs and stimulates the economy -- wait, what?!
Similar Link

If You Read The Actual S&P Report, They Blame Republicans For Refusing To Raise Taxes. Why Won't The Media Say That?
 
2011-08-08 09:50:16 AM  
I seriously doubt the average Tea Partier knows how to spell "default", much less explain its meaning.
 
2011-08-08 09:56:20 AM  
I am SilentStrider's complete lack of surprise.
 
2011-08-08 09:58:55 AM  
i.imgur.com
Click to (9:10 or so)

Don't forget about how the cost of the Iraq and Afghan wars were kept off-budget under Bush, and authorized as "emergency supplemental appropriations." Then there are comparisons of the FY2002-2009 budgets to FY2010-2011 without highlighting that glaring omission. - Plus the inherited deficit thats often omitted in these tea-comparisons as well - to the tune of over a trillion.

When Reagan is propped up for ideological ancestor worship, recall how he *gasp* rose revenuesto control a deficit and was adamant against using default as a tool.
 
2011-08-08 10:06:06 AM  

SouthernManDunWrong: borrow, spend, repeat...

and these are the economic policies that have brought us to the edge today

yet what changes are proposed? borrow, spend, repeat...


Yeah, a more fiscally conservative approach would be "raise revenue, carefully invest, reap rewards, repeat" but the Teabaggers and the Republicans just don't seem to get that.
 
2011-08-08 10:07:10 AM  
 
2011-08-08 10:10:05 AM  

unlikely: SouthernManDunWrong: borrow, spend, repeat...

and these are the economic policies that have brought us to the edge today
yet what changes are proposed? borrow, spend, repeat...
Yeah, a more fiscally conservative approach would be "raise revenue, carefully invest, reap rewards, repeat" but the Teabaggers and the Republicans just don't seem to get that.


Also, I gotta say, SouthernManDunWrong, I am surprised you're upset by the modern Republican idea of how to run government. You're usually first in line to carry water for the American Taliban and their Teabag subgroups. I'm impressed.
 
2011-08-08 10:10:41 AM  
Sorry dickbags, this is the Tea Bag Recession. Once again, the Teabaggers play chicken with the economy and once again they screw everything up.
 
2011-08-08 10:11:30 AM  

Party Boy: Don't forget about how the cost of the Iraq and Afghan wars were kept off-budget under Bush, and authorized as "emergency supplemental appropriations." Then there are comparisons of the FY2002-2009 budgets to FY2010-2011 without highlighting that glaring omission. - Plus the inherited deficit thats often omitted in these tea-comparisons as well - to the tune of over a trillion


There's no way to explain any of that to them.
 
2011-08-08 10:19:37 AM  
I am so glad that the misinformed and disingenuous rode in on a wave of populism and faux patriotism. Really, I am.

Because if this disaster means that we can cut them from the herd, the process might actually improve in the long run. Of course, in the meantime, there will be wailing as folks struggle to get their medicine, there will be panic as they watch their pensions go tits up, and suddenly, the folks who are championing this crap are going to be looking to collective effort to save their sorry behinds, but it might just wake folks up. Just not quite in the fashion they were thinking of...
 
2011-08-08 10:19:54 AM  

Mugato: Party Boy: Don't forget about how the cost of the Iraq and Afghan wars were kept off-budget under Bush, and authorized as "emergency supplemental appropriations." Then there are comparisons of the FY2002-2009 budgets to FY2010-2011 without highlighting that glaring omission. - Plus the inherited deficit thats often omitted in these tea-comparisons as well - to the tune of over a trillion

There's no way to explain any of that to them.


fark that defeatism. When FOX is trying to spin this as "Dem wouldn't agree to cuts," "and OMG Geithner," its imperative the Tea-partiers aren't allowed to dodge the repercussions of using the Debt Ceiling as a political bludgeon. Personal responsibility, my ass.

This is, by far, the easiest polticical argument I ever had to make.
• Who had the immovable position regarding cuts or revenues?
• Were they willing to use the debt ceiling and its risks as a political tool?

/fin.

Easiest. Argument. Ever.

If it needs to get easier, use the info above. Fox is relying on people forgetting that revenue and compromise between the two even existed as well as tossing the immovable position of the tea Partiers down the memory hole.
 
2011-08-08 10:24:18 AM  
And its absolutely *blowing my mind* that FOX is currently doubling down and running with the Tea Partiers. You would think they had an out and shifted towards the other chunk of the GOP.

Roger has lost his shiat and sided with the extremist faction during this type of fark-up. How do you keep that kind of crap up during a campaign run up? Works some for the primaries at best. I tell you, this shiat has this weird feeling I just cant shake.
 
2011-08-08 10:24:36 AM  
Tea Party Terrorists
 
2011-08-08 10:25:27 AM  
Timely submission there, subby
 
2011-08-08 10:26:57 AM  

SouthernManDunWrong: borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...


and these are the economic policies that have brought us to the edge today

yet what changes are proposed? borrow, spend, repeat...


Here we go again with the lib mantra of raising taxes on our most productive citizens. Why do you want to punish HIGH ACHIEVERS?
 
2011-08-08 10:26:58 AM  
Keep it up tea party and even the stupid people will learn how destructive you are.
 
2011-08-08 10:27:15 AM  
ih0.redbubble.net

/ sees the usual Fark Politics tab circlejerk is in full swing :(
 
2011-08-08 10:29:13 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: [ih0.redbubble.net image 544x352]

/ sees the usual Fark Politics tab circlejerk is in full swing :(


/sees you came along, and with your pants down, too.
 
2011-08-08 10:29:26 AM  
I didn't see Obama mentioned in the article.
 
2011-08-08 10:29:42 AM  
Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.

It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House, then he's a complete lameass...which pretty much is how it is with Obama. It's his f*cking job - you'd think he'd be better at it. He's had a few years to practice.
 
2011-08-08 10:31:14 AM  

Party Boy: Easiest. Argument. Ever.


I appreciate your optimism, But getting them to listen in the first place is the first and most difficult part. Getting them to understand what you're saying is like breaking the laws of physics. Asking them that if they're so concerned about spending, where the fark were they before Obama was elected usually shuts them up for me.
 
2011-08-08 10:31:18 AM  
Where was all the Tea Party outrage when george w. bush was beating the war drums?

Goose-stepping and Sieg-Heiling and calling the rest of us traitors.
 
2011-08-08 10:32:14 AM  

garkola: Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.

It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House, then he's a complete lameass...which pretty much is how it is with Obama. It's his f*cking job - you'd think he'd be better at it. He's had a few years to practice.


Your entire statement is predicated on the fact that there are reasonable, intelligent folks in Congress who have the best long-term interests of the country in mind, and are willing to do what's right instead of what will win the next election.
 
2011-08-08 10:32:18 AM  

garkola: Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.

It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House, then he's a complete lameass...which pretty much is how it is with Obama. It's his f*cking job - you'd think he'd be better at it. He's had a few years to practice.



What could Obama have done?
 
2011-08-08 10:32:27 AM  

garkola: Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.


The Executive branch isn't a dictatorship.
You are looking for the Legislative branch.
 
2011-08-08 10:32:49 AM  
All of this claptrap is a simple smokescreen to cover up the whole Murdoch hacking scandal
 
2011-08-08 10:33:16 AM  

garkola: Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.

It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House, then he's a complete lameass...which pretty much is how it is with Obama. It's his f*cking job - you'd think he'd be better at it. He's had a few years to practice.


That's typical Obama. He can't do anything right. Well, except for fool America with his fake birth certificate and steal the election in a conspiracy with ACORN, black people, and libs. It's amazing the nefarious control this empty-suit Kenyan usurper has over America to do whatever he wants to destroy America which he is doing.
 
2011-08-08 10:33:24 AM  

garkola: Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.

It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House, then he's a complete lameass...which pretty much is how it is with Obama. It's his f*cking job - you'd think he'd be better at it. He's had a few years to practice.


So you would prefer one person be in charge of these decisions? Then the President wouldn't have to "get around" 100+ people (which, as I can tell, you have never worked in a group in your life. ever.), he could just do what he thought best, and be "in control."

Commie.
 
2011-08-08 10:33:34 AM  

Party Boy: Taiwanese take on the Tea Party. Or 茶黨搶盡共和黨風光


HOLY CRAP. That was absolutely farking hilarious. I don't understand Chinese, but that was the best and most succinct summary of the tea party I've ever seen.
 
2011-08-08 10:33:36 AM  
garkola: It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

He offered a package that was exactly what S&P said needed to happen. That's all he could do. Also, the GOP in the House could've just raised the debt ceiling and dealt with everything else at budget time. You know, the way it's always been down.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House,

The GOP is the majority in the House, even if you get every Democrat to vote together, they're still a minority.
 
2011-08-08 10:34:18 AM  
There's no reason why the government can't grow at 7% a year when the economy is only growing at 2% a year. No reason at all.

Goddam tea party terrorists.
 
2011-08-08 10:36:08 AM  
Only 2/10, garkola. Try again later.

Oh, and take a Civics class; it's clear you slept through your first one.
 
2011-08-08 10:36:36 AM  

Mugato: I appreciate your optimism


fark that. Play devils advocate and try twist out of that argumentative headlock Jimmy Superfly Snuka.

Mugato: But getting them to listen in the first place is the first and most difficult part.


Your Tea-Mail relatives are frothing to talk. If not now, give them a moment to inject the FOX talking points of • Dems wont accept cuts • Geithner sux.

Mugato: Getting them to understand what you're saying is like breaking the laws of physics.


Easiest argument ever. FOX's talking point is based on simple omission. Enter it back in the discussion and the argument self destructs.
 
2011-08-08 10:37:19 AM  
Damn Party Boy you're on it today.

/good show
 
2011-08-08 10:37:37 AM  

EvilEgg: It's amazing to me that republicans are considered more financially responsible, even with mountains of evidence to the contrary.


You shouldn't be surprised. These are the same people that think the earth is 6000 years old and Noah had dinosaurs on the ark.

/facepalm
//headdesk
///shivkidney
 
2011-08-08 10:38:38 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That's typical Obama. He can't do anything right. Well, except for fool America with his fake birth certificate and steal the election in a conspiracy with ACORN, black people, and libs. It's amazing the nefarious control this empty-suit Kenyan usurper has over America to do whatever he wants to destroy America which he is doing.


Zero to Full Derp in 3.7 seconds. A new track record!
 
2011-08-08 10:38:50 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Party Boy: Taiwanese take on the Tea Party. Or 茶黨搶盡共和黨風光

HOLY CRAP. That was absolutely farking hilarious. I don't understand Chinese, but that was the best and most succinct summary of the tea party I've ever seen.


Its telling to see what the people who make the shiat at Wal-Mart thinks of the Tea-Party.

/I'm about to buy some Taiwanese stuff because we stopped making it. ugh.
 
2011-08-08 10:38:50 AM  

SouthernManDunWrong: borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...borrow, spend, repeat...
and these are the economic policies that have brought us to the edge today
yet what changes are proposed? borrow, spend, repeat...


By adding "repeat" as a step you eliminate the need for all this copy-pasta. It should be either: "borrow, spend, repeat" or "borrow, spend, borrow, spend, borrow, spend...".

It's ok though. Blame it on Obama. He likes arugula.
 
2011-08-08 10:39:27 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Damn Party Boy you're on it today.

/good show


Add to it, motherfarker. This shiat is on.
 
2011-08-08 10:39:38 AM  

GORDON: There's no reason why the government can't grow at 7% a year when the economy is only growing at 2% a year. No reason at all.

Goddam tea party terrorists.


So...why didn't they hold out for an elimination of baseline budgeting then?
 
2011-08-08 10:40:02 AM  

EvilEgg: It's amazing to me that republicans are considered more financially responsible, even with mountains of evidence to the contrary.


You know the motto; If you repeat a lit often enough people will believe it.
 
2011-08-08 10:40:31 AM  
I think the TP wanted no increase in the debt ceiling, and when it was increased, the market tanked. I fail to see how that's their fault.
 
2011-08-08 10:40:36 AM  

garkola: Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.

It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House, then he's a complete lameass...which pretty much is how it is with Obama. It's his f*cking job - you'd think he'd be better at it. He's had a few years to practice.


Great troll. But a little less swearing and you'd have had a great one. 5/10.
 
2011-08-08 10:41:00 AM  

fracto73: garkola: Obama is...wait for it...the President of the United States of America. The debt limit issue has been a long time coming - if the President couldn't get it done, it's his fault. It's not like the vote was a surprise, and that it hasn't happened before.

It blew up because this President either didn't have control of the process or didn't try to control the process. It's pathetic.

If the President can't get around a hundred+ people in the House, then he's a complete lameass...which pretty much is how it is with Obama. It's his f*cking job - you'd think he'd be better at it. He's had a few years to practice.


What could Obama have done?


You shut the hell up with your reasonable questions. That right there is LIBTARD TALK.
 
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