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2011-08-07 07:09:57 PM

blackmtnmantheonly: X15 Quote 2011-08-07 05:58:11 PM
Because stupid hippy idiots and Regan retards decided that we should tolerate crazy people instead of sending them off to therapy and asylums?

What does Donald Regan have to do with this?


I believe he's alluding to the federal funding cuts under Regan that put thousands of previously institutionalized crazies on the street.
 
2011-08-07 07:11:48 PM
Honestly the 9/11 thing would be a whole lot less tenacious if the government didn't stonewall every call for an independent investigation.
 
2011-08-07 07:13:11 PM
Cause it's easier to believe that there's a massive conspiracy out there than to admit that we farked up (Kennedy's security detail, intelligence before 9/11, etc).
 
2011-08-07 07:13:20 PM
Next article: "Why More and More Frightened Doves, Paid Mouthpieces Make Fun of Those Who Threaten the Norm, Question Status Quo"
 
2011-08-07 07:13:31 PM

Coco LaFemme: My all-time favorite, can't-miss, makes-me-laugh-each-time-I-hear-it conspiracy theory, is that LBJ conspired with the CIA to assassinate JFK. Since you know, LBJ's car in the motorcade was the only car with its top up, and George H. W. Bush, then-head of the CIA, was in Dallas around that time.

I have never heard a conspiracy theory surrounding the assassination that has not made me bust out in hysterical laughter.


Bush wasn't CIA director until the mid 70's. There is a pretty nutty conspiracy website claiming the Bush's conspired to assassinate JFK along with Dulles, Nixon, and Hiram-the-wonder-worm...
 
2011-08-07 07:15:47 PM

Void_Beavis: minoridiot: The biggest conspiracy nuts I know are all former government employees.

Nice to see they still hire the best of the best among us.

I think I might know what at least part of the problem is now. LOL


The thing is that they were not conspiracy nuts when they started their governmental duties.
 
2011-08-07 07:16:08 PM

VictorOfBorge: Coco LaFemme: My all-time favorite, can't-miss, makes-me-laugh-each-time-I-hear-it conspiracy theory, is that LBJ conspired with the CIA to assassinate JFK. Since you know, LBJ's car in the motorcade was the only car with its top up, and George H. W. Bush, then-head of the CIA, was in Dallas around that time.

I have never heard a conspiracy theory surrounding the assassination that has not made me bust out in hysterical laughter.

Bush wasn't CIA director until the mid 70's. There is a pretty nutty conspiracy website claiming the Bush's conspired to assassinate JFK along with Dulles, Nixon, and Hiram-the-wonder-worm...


So that conspiracy theory is even dumber than I thought? Wow. Shame on me for believing the part about Dubya's daddy being head of the CIA at the time (I knew he had been, I couldn't remember if it was the 60s or 70s), though he was in Dallas then anyway.
 
2011-08-07 07:19:00 PM
If there were no conspiracy theories, Drew would have to invent them.
 
2011-08-07 07:23:41 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Donald_McRonald: [imgs.xkcd.com image 640x496]

ending with dude praying to god, and getting an answer, is supposed to be irony or earnest?


i1190.photobucket.com

BTW Whatever! (new window)
 
2011-08-07 07:29:16 PM

PsiChi: Next article: "Why More and More Frightened Doves, Paid Mouthpieces Make Fun of Those Who Threaten the Norm, Question Status Quo"


We won't see that article. There is a government conspiracy to discredit conspicracy theories.
 
2011-08-07 07:31:10 PM
People are so in to conspiracy theories because of their childhoods. There is hidden bad stuff in every family, that people on the outside either don't believe, or shrug off. The desperate need to show others hidden evil is what drives people to believe in crazy stuff. The crazier the better, for those that suffered the most abuse, because then you get a bigger reaction of disbelief from others, thus repeating the patterns from childhood and allowing the person to feel anger towards people who don't believe, rather than anger toward their parents.
 
2011-08-07 07:31:49 PM

minoridiot: Void_Beavis: minoridiot: The biggest conspiracy nuts I know are all former government employees.

Nice to see they still hire the best of the best among us.

I think I might know what at least part of the problem is now. LOL

The thing is that they were not conspiracy nuts when they started their governmental duties.


So what you're saying is that a nut by any other name IS in fact, the same.

Wow. Thanks for clearing that up! I'll sleep better tonight with that haunting my every thought.
 
2011-08-07 07:32:49 PM
All these crazy conspiracy theories, yet there's elephants in the living room that are harmful to democracy,and everyone just accepts it.

I'm talking well-funded PACs and other slimy corporate lobbyists, and the lawmakers that are so corrupt that they just can't resist all that juicy funding waved under their noses.

It would take, maybe one honest politician with the guts and moral fortitude to call these guys out on their efforts to bribe to get lower corporate taxes and to rescind worker safety / environmental regulations.

But they are all farkin' corrupt as hell; they love money and power just too much. Not one politician has the backbone in the last 60 years to stand up to these greedy sleazebags.
 
2011-08-07 07:37:41 PM
I am surprised that with all the farkers that have it all figured out, that the world is still a craphole.
 
2011-08-07 07:40:59 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: All these crazy conspiracy theories, yet there's elephants in the living room that are harmful to democracy,and everyone just accepts it.

I'm talking well-funded PACs and other slimy corporate lobbyists, and the lawmakers that are so corrupt that they just can't resist all that juicy funding waved under their noses.

It would take, maybe one honest politician with the guts and moral fortitude to call these guys out on their efforts to bribe to get lower corporate taxes and to rescind worker safety / environmental regulations.

But they are all farkin' corrupt as hell; they love money and power just too much. Not one politician has the backbone in the last 60 years to stand up to these greedy sleazebags.


Not that I don't believe you (I do, actually), but usually naming people and specific cases are good things to do in order to give validity to your case beyond a wild accusation leading to conspiracy theory.

TFA actually talks about this phenomenon actually.
 
2011-08-07 07:41:16 PM
The President of the United States can't fark his intern without it becoming headline news.

I no longer have enough faith in the capacity of our government to successfully pull off a meaningful conspiracy any more.
 
2011-08-07 07:43:18 PM

Kirk's_Toupee: I am surprised that with all the farkers that have it all figured out, that the world is still a craphole.


And we are all just a giant turd about to pass the threshold.
 
2011-08-07 07:55:59 PM
Jews did wtc. The internet told me so and I believe anything that's written on the internet.
 
2011-08-07 07:57:05 PM
Why do people believe in conspiracy theories?

It's a satisfying and therapeutic narrative. They can blame many of their problems on the conspirators (they stole the wealth, control the information, rule the world) and can alleviate any personal guilt (they are so powerful there's no way to stop them) and pat themselves on the back for being able to see the TRUTH through all the lies (wake up sheeple!). In a vast, uncaring universe it's nice to not feel completely insignificant all the time.

Humans look for patterns in everything. You can see the evolutionary benefit in that: it's better to assume that shape in the grass is a lion and GTFO then it is to assume it's not and possibly be wrong. We want to see patterns in the world and don't like the idea of coincidence, noise, randomness or (bad) luck. It's more satisfying to have someone or something to blame for a bad event than it is to chalk it up to randomness.

It's easy to see why something like the JFK assassination is a popular conspiracy theory. If someone as important as the president could be killed by a lone gunman, an essentially random act with no grand purpose behind it, then what does that say about the importance of the average person?
 
2011-08-07 07:59:43 PM

Teen Wolf Blitzer: When the "official" story requires a greater suspension of disbelief than alternative "conspiracy" theories, it becomes rational to believe the conspiracy.


I've yet to hear a parsimonious conspiracy theory.
 
2011-08-07 07:59:47 PM

Hugemeister: Conservative in particular I have found don't need/want FACTS (things based in evidence that can be proven definitively)...they want 'TRUTH' (various random opinions/interpretations typically tailored to the desires/wants/prejudices/beleifs of the individual).


If so, you need to expand your circle of friends. I have no shortage of coworkers, acquaintances, and welfare queens I meet shopping who believe Republicans want to tax them so rich people don't have to pay taxes, that religious groups are planning to replace the First Amendment with religious compulsion (particularly Mormon candidates for President), or that major corporations are secretly in control of the government.

Let me give three theories as to why belief in conspiracies is increasing, if in fact the number is increasing:
1) Availability. These days it seems everybody has an idiot relative who believes and forwards every chain email they receive. If you point out the lies and fallacies in one email, they will believe you - until they see the same chain message three days later.
2) Education. As was pointed out, schools these days only teach students to memorize facts for multiple choice tests. Critical thinking is punished - challenge the teacher and you see the principal for "acting smart."
3)Reality. A month after President Obama says he is working on gun control "behind the scenes," an ATF agent goes public about Fast and Furious. Instead of trying to punish those who approved of and oversaw this illegal program, Democrats call for gun control. I don't know if there was a conspiracy, but the reality of past conspiracies combined with how F&F unfolded lends support to conspiracy theories.
 
2011-08-07 08:01:16 PM
See: Iran-Contra Affair
because the CIA has never sold coke or weapons to Iran to fund rebels and topple a government before (new window)

how much toppling would the 6bil cash provide that was lost in Iraq in 2004?

also

"Several of those involved in the Iran-Contra scandal, later became a member of the administration of George W. Bush."
 
2011-08-07 08:02:19 PM
I think we've also lost sight of the critical distinction between conspiracy, and unintentional confluence of interest or belief.
 
2011-08-07 08:06:11 PM
'Cause sometimes they sound more sensible than what really happened?

I think we'd all like the world to make more sense than it does.
 
2011-08-07 08:10:09 PM
I no longer cling to crazy conspiracy theories. I prefer to create my own.
 
2011-08-07 08:10:15 PM

AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: I think we've also lost sight of the critical distinction between conspiracy, and unintentional confluence of interest or belief.


Summed up most succinctly and eloquently.
+1
 
2011-08-07 08:13:36 PM
The New Apostolic Reformation will finally put an end to all this conspiracy nonsense as soon as the Bilderbergers choose Rick Perry as the next President of the United States.
 
2011-08-07 08:16:38 PM

Coco LaFemme: VictorOfBorge: Coco LaFemme: My all-time favorite, can't-miss, makes-me-laugh-each-time-I-hear-it conspiracy theory, is that LBJ conspired with the CIA to assassinate JFK. Since you know, LBJ's car in the motorcade was the only car with its top up, and George H. W. Bush, then-head of the CIA, was in Dallas around that time.

I have never heard a conspiracy theory surrounding the assassination that has not made me bust out in hysterical laughter.

Bush wasn't CIA director until the mid 70's. There is a pretty nutty conspiracy website claiming the Bush's conspired to assassinate JFK along with Dulles, Nixon, and Hiram-the-wonder-worm...

So that conspiracy theory is even dumber than I thought? Wow. Shame on me for believing the part about Dubya's daddy being head of the CIA at the time (I knew he had been, I couldn't remember if it was the 60s or 70s), though he was in Dallas then anyway.


Bush was CIA long before he became its director. And one of the reasons people think he was involved is that he lied about being in Dallas that day for years. As for LBJ, look up Malcolm "Mac" Wallace sometime. Or Billie Sol Estes.

My father was raised a Democrat and the Kennedy assassination turned him into a Republican because he hated LBJ like the plague. He had been in the oil and gas business in Texas and Oklahoma in the 1950s and though he never came out and said it I think he suspected LBj himself. He certainly would not have put it past him.
 
2011-08-07 08:20:21 PM
Google, Rex 84, that'll give ya somethin ta think about for conspiracy theorys.
 
2011-08-07 08:21:31 PM
Conspiracy theories have two important psychological draws:

1) They're fun in the same way that purchasing a lottery ticket leads to some fun fantasizing about what you do should lightning strike twice and you win.

2) They give people the ability to pretend they are in a dangerous situation against which they are fighting. It gives them a certain je ne sais quoi - a sense of heroism, perhaps? That seems too strong a word. But in any event, they are the Morpheus' of the world, distributing red pills to benighted "sheeple", one of whom is surely Neo, and Alex Jones is The Oracle, ultimate arbiter of what's going on in the Matri- I mean New World Order.

The wrinkle is that they do it from complete safety. They actually know this, because any World Conspiracy worthy of the title would have been shuffling people into those FEMA camps that were under construction during Katrina (and before, actually) but haven't been able to imprison one person in the same amount of time the Germans were able to imprison and murder 12 million.

So they're really live-action role-players, only they insist society play as extras in their carefully-constructed psychoses. The last person to whom they would EVER admit that the conspiracy theories are the utter nonsense they are is themselves. They're really the greatest prisoners in their inescapable cognitive deficiencies.

And that's kinda sad.
 
2011-08-07 08:26:25 PM
How is it edifying to believe that your government may have been an active or passive enabler of terrorism against its own people? It would seem a whole lot more edifying to believe the official story....then you can at least pretend that all of that "defense" funding is well spent.
 
jht [TotalFark]
2011-08-07 08:30:29 PM

dallylamma: Everyone knows it's the fault of the Little Jimmies

/C-O-N...spiracy!


Came for a Little Jimmy reference

/Happy to see it in only 50 posts
//The Truth - shall set you free!

Media polarization is probably a big factor, to be more serious. There's no "the news" anymore. General, centrist newspapers and network news are dying, replaced by news sources that preach to the choir and reinforce existing viewpoints. Fox viewers (because they're the gold standard of this) dont believe news from moderate or center-left sources. If it's not on their channel it must not be true. People who only get their information from biased sources are much more likely to believe weird stuff.

The existence of the Internet is probably a factor as well. Just because.
 
2011-08-07 08:36:58 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: It goes great with guns and bibbles.


How is bibble formed?
 
2011-08-07 08:38:08 PM
I have had the dis-pleasure of dealing with a few of these nut cases. They don't like facts. Facts complicate their fantasies.

One became angry because I didn't believe her rantings about HAARP creating the earthquake in Japan. I didn't say word one about the subject. The mere fact that I didn't jump on the bandwagon freaked her out. She decided I was a government operative sent to collect information on them and to spread misinformation. She stalked me online for a month before I got her blocked or banned enough places she gave up.

Another I watched create some of these conspiracy theories from scratch. The guy claimed he was a PHD and nuclear engineer yet he failed to understand some really basic concepts of the subject matter. He injected himself into an online debate with some other people, when he realized he didn't know what he was talking about and others did he called people a couple of names and left. I pointed out why the guy obviously wasn't a PHD or a nuclear engineer and he dropped the claim off of future online screeds. I watched this guy cook up completely unfounded nonsense that was really easy for anyone to fact check and see it was wrong. Then piles of fellow idiots repeated what he said. People like this guy start rumors knowing they are outright lying, they just get such a thrill out of having armies of morons believe it that they can't stop doing it.
 
2011-08-07 08:49:43 PM
Because
MORONS


/that's why
 
2011-08-07 09:00:42 PM

L.D. Ablo: Everyone knows that chupacabras faked the moon landing.


No, the chupacabras killed JFK. And the moon landing was to drop off hellen Keller after ww2
 
2011-08-07 09:01:31 PM

Poppa Boner: Here, all truncate the article for ya'll.

Here's a bunch of common conspiracy theories that you're a wacko for even considering are real. No we don't have anything to back up our statements. Move along citizen.


I wish Occam's Razor were an actual blade so it could be used to anally rape people like you to death.
 
2011-08-07 09:03:36 PM
It's not a shocker. The world can seem like a scary place, in regards to economics, terrorism, world affairs, whatever. People feel safe in the illusion of some grand scheme controlling it all.

Not to say there aren't smaller conspiracies. Tuskegee, the Reichstagg fire, etc. That doesn't mean everything - especially the big things (Katrina, 9/11, whatever) come close to applying, especially not when there's a total lack of evidence.
 
2011-08-07 09:03:53 PM

Axana: The number of elaborate government lies and cover ups over the last few decades has been well-documented by reputable sources. You're incredibly naive to take anything they claim seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_Stat e s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax

How can anybody read these Wikipedias and still believe that the US government is always truthful with its citizens?


How can anybody type without randomly mashing the keyboard and not understand a goddamn false dichotomy?
 
2011-08-07 09:06:06 PM

Rich Cream: KellyLockhart: Three requirements for a successful conspiracy:

1) Small
2) Organized
3) Secret

Now, name three things the government is not.


Consider the conspiracy of police officers to not arrest, or even ticket, each other (or members of their families).

It's not small. It's not organized and it is not secret.


I would argue that it's fairly well organized, to the point that police react badly when it doesn't happen. Your other points stand however.
 
2011-08-07 09:14:06 PM

First, the medium: Bad information spreads like wildfire across the Internet. That's only made worse when many on the Internet are convinced they can't believe anything they see or hear in the corrupt "mainstream media."

Second, the backdrop. Those who harbor deep mistrust of corporations and billionaires are absolutely certain they are plotting against the rest of us.

Add to that our political divisions. The left is certain of a"vast right-wing conspiracy" - and vice versa.




EXACTLY!!

In a couple of my previous posts, I've pointed out that people today are basically swamped with far too much information. In the 50's and 60's, you got the majority of your news from the paper, radio and TV and TV news was strictly regulated.

There was nothing like the National Enquirer or any of those tabloid magazines that periodically proclaim that Elvis visited some old lady yesterday.

Then, the Discovery and History channels like to 'expose' old evils, like how the 'Robber Barons' controlled most of the US with impunity, how they used monopolies and, later, the clever ways BIG BUSINESS found to screw everyone. Then came the stories about tainted food, misleading advertisements and corporate intrigue.

Reality-type TV took off in the 70's when cable came about by displaying an entire host of different conspiracy films, made well enough to cast doubt in most people's minds. Shortly after, we found out how the government had screwed our fighting men in Vietnam, not only in benefits but in handling the war so poorly that we were basically sending thousands on suicide missions.

By the time the Internet took off, websites popped up telling us all about the nasty habits of our revered heroes of the past and present. (Jefferson owned slaves. Franklin couldn't keep it in his pants. Revere didn't actually do his famous ride. McAuther was a publicity hound. Napoleon just left hundreds of thousands of his men behind to die. Winston was a drunk and a depressive. Montgomery and Patton had a political pi$$ing war over who was the most heroic -- ignoring the lives their posturing cost. Kennedy was a ladies man.)

Then came not only the wacko websites but TV programs presenting poorly thought out 'secret discoveries', like the Bermuda Triangle, Area-51, the Massive Power of the Masons, the political clout of the college 'Skull and Bones' club and the disclosure that about 95% of the popular cults of the 60's were scams and full of crackpots, which came along with more recent 'cult' discoveries like Wako Texas.

Then the lurid stories and movies about survivalists groups, on top of racist groups, followed by serial killers and topped off by war crimes from everyone.

Now toss in the current advertising pitch, used by lawyers and businesses alike, that hammers at you from everywhere possible, which is to essentially discredit your rivals, cast doubt on their products and see how many makers of vital medications you use that you can sue over, because the stuff might give one out of a billion users a second head.

Everything is attacked, from the family unit to the sacredness of religion, your founding fathers and even your heroes.

After a time, you get paranoid. You don't know who to believe.

Soon, you get the impression that everyone and everything is out to get you, to screw you out of your money and property and they even pass laws to make it legal. Then they pass laws which can even get you, an innocent person, hauled in as a sex offender and your life ruined for taking a leak in a parking lot at night while drunk.

At one time, the major oil companies were your best friends. They cared about you. They gave you the BEST gas. Well, we all found out different after the first major oil crunch, didn't we?

The list goes on and on.

There are some things I wish I didn't know because I was happier when I didn't.

As a kid, I played Cowboys and Indians. You don't do that today. One reason is because (A) they are NATIVE AMERICANS whom we brutally stole the land from and slaughtered, (B) it's racist, (C) guns are dangerous, (D) guns teach you to be killer criminals, (E) toy guns were made TOO realistic.

I think about the fun I had playing those games with my friends, and promptly feel guilty because it's not politically correct. However, I took roles as both a cowboy and an indian.

Too much information and far too much of it deliberately misrepresented.
 
2011-08-07 09:14:25 PM

Glenechocreek: "Conspiracy theory", "tin-foil hat", etc. are memes created by our best and brightest that hijack our ability to rationally comprehend the manipulative nature of our leaders.

Mixing red-flag terror events and political assassinations in with reptilian aliens and chupacabras sure does make that baby go out with the bath water.


How about you blame your judgment free fellow travelers, who try to tie all of this crap together into a unifying theory of derp?

Or did the man leave you with nothing but the victim card when he put the tracking device in your wallet?
 
2011-08-07 09:18:29 PM

PsiChi: Next article: "Why More and More Frightened Doves, Paid Mouthpieces Make Fun of Those Who Threaten the Norm, Question Status Quo"


So you think that your ignorance and inability to form rational thoughts is some type of heroism?
 
2011-08-07 09:21:33 PM

Dr.Zom: Coco LaFemme: VictorOfBorge: Coco LaFemme: My all-time favorite, can't-miss, makes-me-laugh-each-time-I-hear-it conspiracy theory, is that LBJ conspired with the CIA to assassinate JFK. Since you know, LBJ's car in the motorcade was the only car with its top up, and George H. W. Bush, then-head of the CIA, was in Dallas around that time.

I have never heard a conspiracy theory surrounding the assassination that has not made me bust out in hysterical laughter.

Bush wasn't CIA director until the mid 70's. There is a pretty nutty conspiracy website claiming the Bush's conspired to assassinate JFK along with Dulles, Nixon, and Hiram-the-wonder-worm...

So that conspiracy theory is even dumber than I thought? Wow. Shame on me for believing the part about Dubya's daddy being head of the CIA at the time (I knew he had been, I couldn't remember if it was the 60s or 70s), though he was in Dallas then anyway.

Bush was CIA long before he became its director. And one of the reasons people think he was involved is that he lied about being in Dallas that day for years. As for LBJ, look up Malcolm "Mac" Wallace sometime. Or Billie Sol Estes.

My father was raised a Democrat and the Kennedy assassination turned him into a Republican because he hated LBJ like the plague. He had been in the oil and gas business in Texas and Oklahoma in the 1950s and though he never came out and said it I think he suspected LBj himself. He certainly would not have put it past him.


Well if your father suspected him, it MUST be true.
 
2011-08-07 09:24:35 PM

mjjt: Jonathan Kay book Among The Truthers that analyses phenomenon

extracts here (new window)


Why is it when people try to 'prove' we went to the moon, they always attack the weakest arguments against it? Like the flag thing, or the star thing. You never see those trying to prove it talk about the lighting, or the radiation, or the wires, or the slow-motion. Wonder why they go after the weakest arguments only, hmn, geeze, damned fluoride, let me think think think. . .
 
2011-08-07 09:26:13 PM

House of Tards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_Stat e s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Lie -->
 
2011-08-07 09:26:22 PM
Here is a conspiracy theory...after the "lone gunman" hit on JFK which coincidentally could not have been a conspiracy according to the official theory being a lone gunman, the CIA popularized the very phrase "conspiracy theory" through things like Project - Operation Mockingbird. This operation involved aligning the phrase to the most ridiculous theories they themselves could concoct and push with their media puppets, as well as very possible theories thoroughly confusing anyone looking into it for the first time with the most likely reactions of repulsion or cognitive dissonance...
Examples might include Dr Strangelove or the more recent movie titles believe it or not, Conspiracy Theory staring non other than Passion of the Christ fame and Opus Dei Mel Gibson...lol, seriously, I could go on all day, for instance Alex Jones in fact works indirectly for Disney but is a professional government fear monger!?. It's all great entertainment to watch the sheep who no longer require sheepdogs. They are self correcting sheep.
 
2011-08-07 09:27:02 PM

NEDM: skantea: Do not question the official explanation, evaar!

The government is ALWAYS wrong! ALLLWWWAAAAYYYYSSS!

And thus you can boil the problem down: Some people distrust the government so much, they assume it is lying simply because it is the government.


I assume people lie...people work for/are in/are in-fact the government aren't they? So yeah...people lie to cover their own asses, other simply tell a half truth and a remarkable few say exactly what they mean.

Here's an example of a conspiracy: The debt ceiling debacle (I refuse to call it a debate). Those few in positions of power had closed door meetings of which few actual results were made public until right before passage. Those in power secretly negotiated with other legislators to cajole them into supporting a measure we ALL know was bad for the economy and for the nation as a whole just so they could say "HEY WE DID SOMETHING LOOK AT US!!" I knew that it was a sell out the second mitch mcconnell gave his fake lil fark you chuckle on fox news sunday and Bret Baier just let it slide even though you could tell by the look on both their faces that 1) bret knew mcconnell was being glib and 2) mcconnell knew that his own glibness was evident.

The media played along happily because to do otherwise would be to risk loss of access...So the negotiations such as they were continued largely in secret and once in a while the President would come out and say something disingenuous and then Speaker Boenher (in on it too) would come out and say something just as disingenuous and we'd all be outraged and divided and also distracted. And so the parties work out a deal in their back rooms and come to an agreement. The Tea partiers for the most part vote against the measure...because of two factors (1: it was going to pass anyway so that makes it easy to stand on principle a la Obama's voting against raising the debt ceiling under Bush and 2: some of them are actually principled and held out ) The measure passes and for some reason McConnell is really happy about it and Chucky Schmucky puts out some fake pout-rage about it. The Senatorial Democrats doth protest too much me thinks. And lo and behold we INCREASE our debt load without cutting spending. We cut the proposed increase...that isn't a cut its just borrowing less over time, but not enough to even head towards a balanced budget much less pay down any principle.

So ask yourself: Who benefits from the US increasing its debt?

1) The federal Govt benefits - they get to spend that money before it enters the market and deflates currency value (i.e. they tax your purchasing power)
2) The Federal Reserve which issues the debt notes in exchange for treasuries which are later auctioned off

Who loses?

you do in reducing your buying power...and making your poorer through shiatty monetary policy and a whole lotta lies.

but I must be crazy for believing those things.

oh and govt != the economy
 
2011-08-07 09:28:56 PM

Nappy Imus: mjjt: Jonathan Kay book Among The Truthers that analyses phenomenon

extracts here (new window)

Why is it when people try to 'prove' we went to the moon, they always attack the weakest arguments against it? Like the flag thing, or the star thing. You never see those trying to prove it talk about the lighting, or the radiation, or the wires, or the slow-motion. Wonder why they go after the weakest arguments only, hmn, geeze, damned fluoride, let me think think think. . .


You know what the biggest proof we went to the moon is? The Soviet Union never called bullshiat on it. If they thought ANY of the things you brought up were true at all, they would have been screaming about it in seconds.

But they didn't. Wanna explain why?
 
2011-08-07 09:31:38 PM
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.
 
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