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2011-08-05 04:07:49 PM
Apparently balls are a transitive attribute.

It takes balls to execute an innocent man knowingly or negligently..

It takes balls to laud a Governor for executing an innocent man.

And balls to you, Mr. Kill-em-all-and-let-God-sort-them-out!

This seems an endemic ethical problem in Texas. I recall one candidate for Prosecutor who was asked what she would do if she was given a tape that proved the accused was innocent and she said execute him any way.

I also recall the Conservative Governor of another state (Wisconsin, as it then was? Indiana? the latter if I recall correctly) who stayed all executions because of evidence that showed a lot of innocent, mostly black, men were being executed. Bless him. This is the right answer.

Speaking of negligence in the examination of death sentences, Governor George Bush of Texas executed something like 148, 158 people, some of them retarded or mentally ill, with an average of 15 minutes of due process before signing the warrants of execution. Not a finger stayed he to stay executions of the potentially innocent.

It must be a Texas thing. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. Maybe it was inherited from the Spanish. It was, after all, an ultra-conservative Spanish Cardinal who made the original quip.

Personally I would not care to put God on the spot. Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. The Bible is clear on this: Don't be that guy.
 
2011-08-05 04:19:48 PM

brantgoose: I also recall the Conservative Governor of another state (Wisconsin, as it then was? Indiana? the latter if I recall correctly) who stayed all executions because of evidence that showed a lot of innocent, mostly black, men were being executed. Bless him. This is the right answer.


Illinois.

Link (new window)
 
2011-08-05 05:27:26 PM

brantgoose: I also recall the Conservative Governor of another state (Wisconsin, as it then was? Indiana? the latter if I recall correctly) who stayed all executions because of evidence that showed a lot of innocent, mostly black, men were being executed. Bless him. This is the right answer.


While I do applaud him for doing it, that Governor was about to be prosecuted for being a normal Illinois politician. He was trying to get a lot of "support" to save his ass.

This always brings up my favorite Tolkien quote. He was survivor of WWI trenches.

"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."

You cannot give the dead back their lives if you make a mistake.
 
2011-08-05 06:13:47 PM
Ah, now here are the death panels that teabaggers can get behind.
 
2011-08-05 06:14:32 PM
I tried to post this earlier and for some reason it didn't go through.
As I read it, this comment was from a Hutchison focus group. So it wasn't a pro-Perrry voter praising Perry for 'having the balls to execute an innocent man' it was a Hutchison voter condemning Perry.

I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
 
2011-08-05 06:29:50 PM
brantgoose: It takes balls to laud a Governor for executing an innocent man.

It doesn't take balls; it takes having no brain and no heart.
 
2011-08-05 06:33:13 PM

impaler: brantgoose: I also recall the Conservative Governor of another state (Wisconsin, as it then was? Indiana? the latter if I recall correctly) who stayed all executions because of evidence that showed a lot of innocent, mostly black, men were being executed. Bless him. This is the right answer.

Illinois.

Link (new window)


George Ryan was a corrupt piece of shiat, but at least he got ONE thing right. Hell can you imagine a republican Governor doing that in today's political climate?
 
2011-08-05 06:33:54 PM
Perry has been a very bad governor. He would also be a very bad President. Do not elect him.
 
2011-08-05 06:35:24 PM
Perry is absolutely going to win the nomination.
 
2011-08-05 06:35:49 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Perry has been a very bad governor. He would also be a very bad President. Do not elect him.


We've been down this road before. It won't be good.
 
2011-08-05 06:38:43 PM

blahpers: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Perry has been a very bad governor. He would also be a very bad President. Do not elect him.

We've been down this road before. It won't be good.


See, W wasn't really a bad Governor. Because he did EXACTLY what the governor of Texas is supposed to do: Not a farking thing. It was the perfect job for him.

But still, the nation should have learned its lesson. Do NOT elect governors of Texas to the presidency. We don't elect them governor for their smarts or their political acumen. We elect them governor because they wear boots well.
 
2011-08-05 06:40:06 PM
/reads TFA. Shudders.

And I so hoped the headline was just a sick joke by Subby.
 
2011-08-05 06:40:43 PM
If an innocent person gets executed that just means they weren't praying hard enough.
 
2011-08-05 06:41:24 PM
FTFA: But even the greatest hits reel is bad enough: Perry issued a 2007 executive order mandating the human papillomavirus vaccine for sixth-grade girls, while Perry's former chief of staff lobbied for Merck, the only provider of the vaccine.

Sadly, the obvious conflict-of-interest issue this presents will not be the problem for the nomination. It will be the idea that he actually wants to prevent HPV in young girls that will be a drawback to social conservatives. They'll see it as Perry promoting promiscuity. And that is how he will be attacked. I'm calling it now.
 
2011-08-05 06:41:52 PM
"From a grass-roots standpoint in Ohio, I don't see much. I don't see much support and I don't see much excitement about it."

Except "grass roots" is a mostly dead idea. With enough corporate money, Perry can bring his brand of ultra-national, straight-shootin' jingoism and ironic populism to the drooling masses. Just because no one cares right now doesn't mean he can't propaganda bomb Jesusland and eventually enjoy the sort of blind Real America following that typifies his ilk.

Goodhair has the pedigree. He's reasonably good-looking (for a politician), carries Texas street cred (whatever that is), and is an artful grandstander while being mostly vague on actual policy. don't look at Perry, folks, look at the size of his flag and the folksy music of his rhetoric. Fark what he actually stands for, right?
 
2011-08-05 06:42:46 PM

blahpers: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Perry has been a very bad governor. He would also be a very bad President. Do not elect him.

We've been down this road before. It won't be good.


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R.I.P. President Lyndon B. Johnson
 
2011-08-05 06:43:17 PM

dickfreckle: carries Texas street cred (whatever that is),


farking boots and a hat. No farking cattle, that's for sure.

I miss Jim Hightower and Ann Richards.
 
2011-08-05 06:43:37 PM
So can we execute Perry for anything? I mean, it'd take balls to execute a sitting governor who preaches something he doesn't practice.
 
2011-08-05 06:43:50 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: We elect them governor because they wear boots well.


www.newsdesigner.com

I get a lot of cracks about my hair, mostly from men who don't have any.
 
2011-08-05 06:45:11 PM

quizzical: /reads TFA. Shudders.

And I so hoped the headline was just a sick joke by Subby.


It makes you want to vomit that some people think that is something to be admired for.
 
2011-08-05 06:45:35 PM

I don't know why, but this reminded me of the old Onion nugget:

Christopher Reeve placed atop Washington Monument

"We brought the kids here to try and teach them about the courage and fortitude Washington showed at Valley Forge," said Cal Brewer, a father of four from Greensboro, NC. "Now, with Christopher Reeve up there, the whole scene just speaks for itself."

Added Brewer: "I wish I had the courage to be crippled like that."
 
2011-08-05 06:47:22 PM
No more North Mexicans in office.
 
2011-08-05 06:49:41 PM

Corvus: quizzical: /reads TFA. Shudders.

And I so hoped the headline was just a sick joke by Subby.

It makes you want to vomit that some people think that is something to be admired for.


They don't care. They vote for The Team. If this guy had married 78 women, with half of them below the age of 17, they'd support him and attack you. If he walked on water and gave everything to the poor and raised taxes, they'd support him and attack you. They make no sense and have no direction in life. They cannot think on their own.

I hate grouping people like this. I just don't see any other reason for it. Team (R) is more important than the truth, than the nation, than personal freedom.
 
2011-08-05 06:53:35 PM
As a resident of Texas, the execution, in and of itself, wasn't an issue.

The execution and the subsequent efforts to sweep it under the rug were an issue. So yes, I guess it was an issue.

Don't get me wrong, I love Texas. Live here my whole life. But things like this color me despondent. Between this and the recent changes to public school curriculum, I have a hard time mustering up the energy to yell at the trogs who make sweeping generalizations about Texans.
 
2011-08-05 06:57:46 PM

deeyablo: As a resident of Texas, the execution, in and of itself, wasn't an issue.

The execution and the subsequent efforts to sweep it under the rug were an issue. So yes, I guess it was an issue.

Don't get me wrong, I love Texas. Live here my whole life. But things like this color me despondent. Between this and the recent changes to public school curriculum, I have a hard time mustering up the energy to yell at the trogs who make sweeping generalizations about Texans.


I never usually This things. But. This.
 
2011-08-05 06:57:47 PM
It doesn't take balls. Just a dick.
 
2011-08-05 06:59:41 PM

deeyablo: As a resident of Texas, the execution, in and of itself, wasn't an issue.

The execution and the subsequent efforts to sweep it under the rug were an issue. So yes, I guess it was an issue.


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2011-08-05 07:00:07 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: It doesn't take balls. Just a dick.


golf clap
 
2011-08-05 07:04:34 PM

propasaurus: I tried to post this earlier and for some reason it didn't go through.
As I read it, this comment was from a Hutchison focus group. So it wasn't a pro-Perrry voter praising Perry for 'having the balls to execute an innocent man' it was a Hutchison voter condemning Perry.

I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.


You read it right, but you drew too much of a conclusion from it. The Hutchinson campaign would likely have included people from all kinds of different political backgrounds in their group, since the main objective would be to gauge how people react to different advertisements, talking points, and what have you. The fact that this guy was participating in a Hutchinson focus group doesn't necessarily say anything about his political affiliation.

/subby also might have jumped the gun on that one
 
2011-08-05 07:05:26 PM

HeartBurnKid: propasaurus: I tried to post this earlier and for some reason it didn't go through.
As I read it, this comment was from a Hutchison focus group. So it wasn't a pro-Perrry voter praising Perry for 'having the balls to execute an innocent man' it was a Hutchison voter condemning Perry.

I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

You read it right, but you drew too much of a conclusion from it. The Hutchinson campaign would likely have included people from all kinds of different political backgrounds in their group, since the main objective would be to gauge how people react to different advertisements, talking points, and what have you. The fact that this guy was participating in a Hutchinson focus group doesn't necessarily say anything about his political affiliation.

/subby also might have jumped the gun on that one


Although, re-reading it, it's part of a paragraph that talks about how attacks bounced off Perry, so I think subby might have gotten it right, actually.
 
2011-08-05 07:05:40 PM
Perry has blood on his hands and deserves to be hung for his part in the coverup.

That Willingham case is THE reason I am no longer for the death penalty. Perry has very very little support among any Repbulicans and Tea party members I know in Texas. They hold their nose every time they vote for him. The fact that he is the best the Republicans can do shows how grave our two party system is.

I hope the left crushes Perry over the Willingham case. He wont survive the vetting process and has no hope of being the President. I will vast a vote for Obama before Perry because they are one and the same, except one is open. Screw Perry and his corrupt cowboy politics. He is a whoreson who will sell this country out to the highest bidder just like he did with the trans texas corridor. Remember that Republicans???? Remember when Perry wanted to use BIG GOV to steal your land, build a road, and sell it to an overseas company?

Oh what a shining light of conservative values. I would gladly be second in the gas chamber if I got to watch him and his ilk go in first. He is the manifestation of everything wrong with Republicans and their party.
 
2011-08-05 07:11:19 PM
Did he inject the dude himself? That would take some balls.
 
2011-08-05 07:14:22 PM

TravisBickle62: Did he inject the dude himself? That would take some balls.


He doesn't have the balls to do it himself. He is a coward who hires others to do his dirty work while he prays for rain.

Oh. by the by. How'd that work out?
 
2011-08-05 07:19:41 PM
we call idiots like the title idiot an idiot down here in Tejas...We're not all loopy tea-baggers in the Lone Star state believe me. Lots of intelligent people here. Its just the gerrymandering in our state is/was probably the worst in the nation. We have one district near where I live in Houston that reaches almost all the way to Austin, (150 miles away.) East Texas is not like West Texas in this regard. East Texas is much, much more densely populated...It was 'set up' in Delay's era...I mean c'mon Texas is big and so is Houston, but Houston ain't 150 miles long...(Not yet anyway...) BTW its a primarily GOP district...:-) of course
 
2011-08-05 07:22:54 PM

deeyablo: As a resident of Texas, the execution, in and of itself, wasn't an issue.


Wow. And not the good kind of wow when you find a twenty in your pocket.
 
2011-08-05 07:27:26 PM
You know Jesus would all about executing innocent people.
 
2011-08-05 07:29:21 PM

Corvus: You know Jesus would all about executing innocent people.


And helping the bankers earn more money.
 
2011-08-05 07:30:49 PM
LBJ, Bush, W, too many damn Texans.
 
2011-08-05 07:32:58 PM
How can you openly advocate for secession from the US, and be taken seriously as a candidate for president of the US?
 
2011-08-05 07:34:44 PM
This.....this is just....... oh wow.

That whole state. It just boggles!

How are Texans able to walk on two legs??
 
2011-08-05 07:39:11 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: But even the greatest hits reel is bad enough: Perry issued a 2007 executive order mandating the human papillomavirus vaccine for sixth-grade girls, while Perry's former chief of staff lobbied for Merck, the only provider of the vaccine.

Sadly, the obvious conflict-of-interest issue this presents will not be the problem for the nomination. It will be the idea that he actually wants to prevent HPV in young girls that will be a drawback to social conservatives. They'll see it as Perry promoting promiscuity. And that is how he will be attacked. I'm calling it now.


Nice. Gotta love it when a conflict of interest actually motivates someone to do the *right* thing.
 
2011-08-05 07:40:30 PM
I don't get it. Death penalty proponents should be the first in line to advocate for ensuring greater integrity of the death penalty process. Executing the wrong individual completely destroys all the rationals behind having a death penalty. It has little to no deterrent effect, since people guilty of crimes will see that they can get away with breaking the law with the help of the state prosecutors, it doesn't punish the guilty, because the real guilty individual remains free and unpunished, and it doesn't prevent the real guilty party from committing more bad acts in the future, because he remains free and alive. And, when a story like this comes out, people begin to question the whole idea of the death penalty. If you're going to be pro-death penalty, you should also support liberalizing the appeal process to allow the introduction of new evidence discovered at any time after trial, and to allow the use of new evidence discovered by new technology and forensic techniques.

Evidence of actual innocence should be an absolute bar to the application of the death penalty, no matter how well the court follows due process.
 
2011-08-05 07:43:01 PM
He didn't want to execute him, but he felt he owed it to him.
 
2011-08-05 07:45:13 PM
Just what we need, another under-performing jackass in the White House.

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I especially like that he got a "D" in what appears to be "Meats" in the Spring Semester of 1971.

/ I can only assume that this is real and not a hoax.
 
2011-08-05 07:46:57 PM
a president with Balls

now thats what we need and want
 
2011-08-05 07:48:12 PM

brantgoose: Apparently balls are a transitive attribute.

It takes balls to execute an innocent man knowingly or negligently..

It takes balls to laud a Governor for executing an innocent man.

And balls to you, Mr. Kill-em-all-and-let-God-sort-them-out!

This seems an endemic ethical problem in Texas. I recall one candidate for Prosecutor who was asked what she would do if she was given a tape that proved the accused was innocent and she said execute him any way.

I also recall the Conservative Governor of another state (Wisconsin, as it then was? Indiana? the latter if I recall correctly) who stayed all executions because of evidence that showed a lot of innocent, mostly black, men were being executed. Bless him. This is the right answer.

Speaking of negligence in the examination of death sentences, Governor George Bush of Texas executed something like 148, 158 people, some of them retarded or mentally ill, with an average of 15 minutes of due process before signing the warrants of execution. Not a finger stayed he to stay executions of the potentially innocent.

It must be a Texas thing. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. Maybe it was inherited from the Spanish. It was, after all, an ultra-conservative Spanish Cardinal who made the original quip.

Personally I would not care to put God on the spot. Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. The Bible is clear on this: Don't be that guy.


It's because every crazy who's infatuated with Hollywood's version of the "Wild West" moves here. People like that believe it makes you "tough" and "decisive" to kill people, regardless of circumstance. I call it the John Wayne Syndrome, after America's most famous, fatuous chicken-hawk.
 
2011-08-05 07:48:44 PM
danvon

Just what we need, another under-performing jackass in the White House.


didn't Obama get a D in economics?

and

a F in job creation?
 
2011-08-05 07:50:20 PM
It certainly does. Either that, or a complete lack of a conscience.

Sounds like great Presidential material to me!
 
2011-08-05 07:50:27 PM

sultros: Perry has blood on his hands and deserves to be hung for his part in the coverup.

That Willingham case is THE reason I am no longer for the death penalty. Perry has very very little support among any Repbulicans and Tea party members I know in Texas. They hold their nose every time they vote for him. The fact that he is the best the Republicans can do shows how grave our two party system is.

I hope the left crushes Perry over the Willingham case. He wont survive the vetting process and has no hope of being the President. I will vast a vote for Obama before Perry because they are one and the same, except one is open. Screw Perry and his corrupt cowboy politics. He is a whoreson who will sell this country out to the highest bidder just like he did with the trans texas corridor. Remember that Republicans???? Remember when Perry wanted to use BIG GOV to steal your land, build a road, and sell it to an overseas company?

Oh what a shining light of conservative values. I would gladly be second in the gas chamber if I got to watch him and his ilk go in first. He is the manifestation of everything wrong with Republicans and their party.


Your newsletter sir, I would like to subscribe to it.
 
2011-08-05 07:50:34 PM
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