He's not likely to find any at Rob Ford's BBQ.

Yeah, I'm starting to hear rumblings about returning from my university cohorts who left Canuckistan in the late 90s

We always covet that which we lack.

costermonger: "Canada has gone from brain drain to brain gain," Mr. Harper said

Phew, that eases my brain pain.

That's profane.

big_league_chewbacca: costermonger: "Canada has gone from brain drain to brain gain," Mr. Harper said

Phew, that eases my brain pain.

That's profane.

...Insane in the membrane?

You mean I might be able to find a goddamn job? Lies, I say!

Harper finally found those Q-tips hiding on the back shelf, I see.

John the Magnificent: John the Magnificent 2011-08-04 11:56:35 AM

We always covet that which we lack.

Close the thread. She is done.

Cool. So you can come back, conduct important research and then have your results suppressed by the government.

"Canada has gone from brain drain to brain gain,"

She's gone from suck to blow!

So, we have subsidised education, so people can come here, get their degrees, than move to the States for more money and less student loans.

And the answer is to give even more money to graduate students, so they can get even higher degrees and command even more money when they move to the States, at even smaller student loans?

Harper does need brains. OF COURSE grad students want to come here. They just don't want to stay here when they finish their schooling.

I'd like to see some independent verification. No offence Harper, but you're not the most trustworthy person in this country.

Grass Hopper: Harper does need brains. OF COURSE grad students want to come here. They just don't want to stay here when they finish their schooling.

Extreme parity we Canadian dollar also changes that

John the Magnificent: We always covet that which we lack.



/Just kidding

It really angers me that Gary Goodyear, our minister of Science and Technology, is a creatonist chiropracter who has never published in any peer-reviewed scientific journal.

Anyone with those kind of credentials who believes that they are capable of determining where our federal research funding should go is clearly an egotistical asshat.

F%cking Cons. The US' economy is in the ditch thanks mostly to their like minded brethren south of the border and the CPC now stand up to claim credit for the US no longer looking as attractive to professionals from Canada...

You cons are farking jokes.

whereisian: Grass Hopper: Harper does need brains. OF COURSE grad students want to come here. They just don't want to stay here when they finish their schooling.

Extreme parity we Canadian dollar also changes that

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Also.. given the poor state of NIH funding (can't speak for other research fields except biosciences), and the extreme competition for tenure track positions here in the US, you're better off looking elsewhere for gainful and more reliable employment.

Thorndyke Barnhard: The US' economy is in the ditch thanks mostly to their like minded brethren south of the border

Yup, that's the real story here. But you have to admit, it's a pretty good bit of spin doctoring.

Harper and his government have NOTHING to do with "a reverse" in brain drain. Once again the Cons are taking credit for something they have NOTHING to do with. Too bad Canadians did not get off their ass and VOTE this very Albertain non-Canadian out of office...

whereisian: I'd like to see some independent verification. No offence Harper, but you're not the most trustworthy person in this country.

"Harper is doing a pretty ok job."

SAY IT.

JUST farkING SAY IT.

The Voice of Sarcastic Reason: Thorndyke Barnhard: The US' economy is in the ditch thanks mostly to their like minded brethren south of the border

Yup, that's the real story here. But you have to admit, it's a pretty good bit of spin doctoring.

I don't have to show appreciation for something that is plainly their defining characteristic - rhetorical deception and manipulation of optics before sound reasoned principle and genuine good governance every time.

The Voice of Sarcastic Reason: you have to admit, it's a pretty good obvious bit of spin doctoring

FTFY.
The reason Legohair McSweatervest made this claim in a speech to Rob Ford supporters is because no other audience is stupid enough to fall for such a transparent lie. Hell, he's probably been waiting for months to find such a concentration of idiots to deliver this canned speech to.

Siniclinic: Harper and his government have NOTHING to do with "a reverse" in brain drain. Once again the Cons are taking credit for something they have NOTHING to do with. Too bad Canadians did not get off their ass and VOTE this very Albertain non-Canadian out of office...

But you'll sure as fark drop the debt levels right on Harper's lap.

Global recession be damned.

Thing bad, Harper's doing.
Thing good, not Harper's doing.

I guess that's how it works?

/ And really? A Lefty pushing for Western alienation? Tread lightly friend, you'll find more American flags hoisted on private property in Alberta than Canadian flags. You might get what you wish for.

phrenicmonkey: He's not likely to find any at Rob Ford's BBQ.

QFT

Canada has a great employment market for the highly educated - if you are willing to live in Alberta or Toronto. I wouldn't count on your Masters degree in Chemical Engineering doing you much good in New Brunswick or Victoria.

/many of my Canadian friends who left around 2000 are returning
//education (yes, even engineering) doesn't matter if you do not have the economic freedom to use it
///otherwise Russia would be the world's richest and most powerful country

Siniclinic: Harper and his government have NOTHING to do with "a reverse" in brain drain. Once again the Cons are taking credit for something they have NOTHING to do with. Too bad Canadians did not get off their ass and VOTE this very Albertan wannabe non-Canadian out of office...

FTFY, Harper grew up in Toronto. He's not even a real Albertan.

Blairr: / And really? A Lefty pushing for Western alienation? Tread lightly friend, you'll find more American flags hoisted on private property in Alberta than Canadian flags. You might get what you wish for.

Proud Canadians you've got over there.

And get bent with this 'Western Alienation' crap. Trudeau is long gone. Your boy and his Alberta cronies have been running the show for the last 5 years. For a bunch of boot strappy cowboys, you sure do whine like a bunch of little girls.

Most of the Brain Drain Reversal is a result of funding and policy decisions made by the Chretien and Martin governments. Tri-Council funding has been decreasing under the Harper government (there have been recent budget increases but they don't offset earlier budget cuts) and these Vanier scholarships actually mean that fewer total students receive their own funding for graduate research. Despite the claims they don't "attract the best and brightest", some Universities have a hard time awarding them (and these scholarships are allocated with so many going to every University every year, not a common pool). They are massive grants that go to the same students who would have gotten grants in the first place.

The only reason we aren't likely to see a new brain drain in the immediate future is because the US economy is so farked that they are getting ready to cripple their own funding infrastructure for the foreseeable future.

whereisian: Extreme parity we Canadian dollar also changes that

It has nothing to do with the dollar being more valuable, or any other factors beyond their control.

Move along citizen, and stop asking questions.

Dude in the bottom right of the picture has an "Invisible lapdance" look.

Wait...so Albertans aren't 'real Canadians'? In Soviet Canada, liberals call YOU unpatriotic.

/not sure if I got that meme right

/first thing I thought of.
//too obscure?

The-Brain: Dude in the bottom right of the picture has an "Invisible lapdance" look.

That 'dude' is unfortunately the mayor of the fine city of Toronto.

Or the mayor of Toronto's old suburbs.

Damn you amalgamation!

Came to Toronto for my MBA, still here 6 years later. I become eligible for citizenship in October and I'm leaning towards staying... as long as I can figure out a way to spend December 15th - January 15th somewhere in the south every year. Where is this damn telecommuting everyone's been talking about for a decade?

I like Canada, I miss the US less and less every year.

/quickanddirty

Thorndyke Barnhard: F%cking Cons. The US' economy is in the ditch thanks mostly to their like minded brethren south of the border and the CPC now stand up to claim credit for the US no longer looking as attractive to professionals from Canada...

You cons are farking jokes.

Do we really have to go back to grade 9 to reinforce that Canadian Conservatives are more like American Democrats... AGAIN? you might not have noticed but the rest of the G8 would kill to be in the economic position we are. Your level of hate while amazing is frankly pathetic.

Procedural Texture: The reason Legohair McSweatervest made this claim in a speech to Rob Ford supporters is because no other audience is stupid enough to fall for such a transparent lie. Hell, he's probably been waiting for months to find such a concentration of idiots to deliver this canned speech to.

It's obvious bullshiat to a lot of people, but now that it is in the bloodstream it will find its way naturally to the intended organs.

It's not enough to recognize it as bullshiat. We have to realize that to win an election against this guy, whoever goes up against him will need to be at least equal to him at this kind of bullshiattery, or else be be able to dissect it in a way that is presentable to the general public. Read entropic_existence's post. He's right, but anyone who gets on tv and says that just lost the point to Harper.

That's why I called it 'good' spin-doctoring.

theguyinthe$4000suit: Blairr: / And really? A Lefty pushing for Western alienation? Tread lightly friend, you'll find more American flags hoisted on private property in Alberta than Canadian flags. You might get what you wish for.

Proud Canadians you've got over there.

And get bent with this 'Western Alienation' crap. Trudeau is long gone. Your boy and his Alberta cronies have been running the show for the last 5 years. For a bunch of boot strappy cowboys, you sure do whine like a bunch of little girls.

Hey. Western Canadians got farked pretty hard by Laurentian Canadians, it wasn't just Trudeau. The reason the RCMP was created and expanded so quickly across the 49^th parallel was to enforce the exorbitant taxes levied by you Eastern bastards. The Americans expanded westward much quicker, so it was cheaper out-west to buy from the Yanks rather than the Crown and her cronies.

So what does the Crown do? Enact high taxes, create the RCMP to enforce the taxes. Effectively ensuring the West has to support you high-stepping Torontonian farks. Bunch of farking thugs.

Why do you think Mulroney's free-trade was so popular in the West and unpopular in the East?

/Not to mention trying to steal our precious black-booty.
//farkin' Trudeau. farkin' multiculturalism. I wish we could just erase him and his insidious pirouettes.

Blairr: Tread lightly friend, you'll find more American flags hoisted on private property in Alberta than Canadian flags.

This is the stupidest farking thing I've ever seen you post, and that's saying something.

strathcona: Blairr: Tread lightly friend, you'll find more American flags hoisted on private property in Alberta than Canadian flags.

This is the stupidest farking thing I've ever seen you post, and that's saying something.

Representative of the unwashed masses: Do we really have to go back to grade 9 to reinforce that Canadian Conservatives are more like American Democrats... AGAIN? you might not have noticed but the rest of the G8 would kill to be in the economic position we are. Your level of hate while amazing is frankly pathetic.

Maybe you should go back to grade 9 to learn the basic critical skills needed to discern trite canards conjured to support some stereotyped tidy cultural narrative from factual analysis.

The fact that Canada's political culture is on avarage less to the right than the US', does not entail the CPC being equivalent to the DNC. That is just epically stupid.

And frankly, my outrage explicitly leveled at the philosophy and tactics overtly championed by the conservatives, by definition, does not constitute arbitrary prejudicial hate as you paint it.

Thorndyke Barnhard
And frankly, my outrage explicitly leveled at the philosophy and tactics overtly championed by the conservatives, by definition, does not constitute arbitrary prejudicial hate as you paint it.

I didn't know Rex Murphy posted on Fark.

Thorndyke Barnhard: Representative of the unwashed masses: Do we really have to go back to grade 9 to reinforce that Canadian Conservatives are more like American Democrats... AGAIN? you might not have noticed but the rest of the G8 would kill to be in the economic position we are. Your level of hate while amazing is frankly pathetic.

Maybe you should go back to grade 9 to learn the basic critical skills needed to discern trite canards conjured to support some stereotyped tidy cultural narrative from factual analysis.

The fact that Canada's political culture is on avarage less to the right than the US', does not entail the CPC being equivalent to the DNC. That is just epically stupid.

And frankly, my outrage explicitly leveled at the philosophy and tactics overtly championed by the conservatives, by definition, does not constitute arbitrary prejudicial hate as you paint it.

Ah I am the immature one, and I thought you started your original post that I responded to with profanity. Once you do that nothing else you say has any merit to me.

Good day to you sir, I say good day to you.