/facepalm

I need to take advantage of this.

First it was ammunition and now light bulbs.

1) Carefully monitor the conservative poutrage machine and predict the next thing the morans will be hoarding.

3) profit!

I guess they like bulbs that help heat the house in winter, but make it harder to cool in the summer.

Its as if the government is creating a black market with the ban. Unintended consequences I guess...

But what good is a thriving planet, the North Andover mother asks, if her kids are forced to live in a home lighted by bulbs that are energy efficient but ruin the look of the dining room chandelier

This, right here? This is why America is doomed. Though it was nice for the Globe to put front and center how stupid the people opposing this are.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: But what good is a thriving planet, the North Andover mother asks, if her kids are forced to live in a home lighted by bulbs that are energy efficient but ruin the look of the dining room chandelier

I wonder if this dipshiat knows that you can buy CFLs with a variety of spectral outputs, including (my preference) the ones that mimic daylight. On two occasions, a guest at our house commented on the daylight-colored lighting. I turn on the track lighting next to the skylight, and you get a nice side-by-side of natural sunlight vs. the daylight CFLs. They're indistinguishable.

Oh, and they use 1/4 of the electricity of incandescents, and come with a 5-year warranty.

impaler: The right-wing talk radio butt-hurt brigade like to say "if they're so much better, the market will decide." Of course the market would have already decided if they didn't tell their sheep that CFLs are a liberal plot to destroy freedom.

It's the same brigade that thinks we should be able to sell leaded gasoline and paint, and let the market decide that too. I'm sure they're hoarding all those delicious, delicious paint chips from pre-1978 housing so they don't run out of their favorite childhood breakfast food.

The market decides what's best for the marketers, not society as a whole.

Alphax: I guess they like bulbs that help heat the house in winter, but make it harder to cool in the summer.

And even when they heat your house in the summer, they tend to be located near the ceiling, often recessed a little, which keeps them fully out of the room's airflow. It's approximately the dumbest possible way to heat a room. Buy CFLs and a space heater, and you'll come out ahead in both comfort and electricity use.

TFA: And who wants to do the light bulb math required to figure out new wattage equivalents?

Well, if lumens is too complicated for you, you dumb bastard, you can always read the giant number on the CFL packaging explaining what incandescent bulb it replaces. If that's too complicated for you, you probably light your home by burning tires anyway.

For starters, they say, some new energy-efficient bulbs are not dimmable, and figuring out which ones are takes work.

It's hard to read the giant "DIMMABLE" portion of the packaging, too. Maybe you need to ask for help when buying something as complicated as a light bulb. The price is often greater than the biggest of all numbers: potato.

Heaven forbid these retards ever try to buy a washing machine or a water heater. They'd probably end up stuffing their dirty tube tops into the toaster by accident anyway. Better to stick with the crick, just like granpappy. Technology can't be trusted!

This thread has already become inadvertently hilarious.

impaler: These same people cry about forced standardized food labeling as 'business killing federal regulation.' You see, food companies that decide to label food on their own should be able to sell more if that's what people want.

Charlie Freak: We put CFLs in at the store and they absolutely drive our tube amps nuts. We actually have to turn off the lights any time anyone wants to try a tube amp otherwise the 60hz hum from the ballast is unbearable.

Unfortunately it's not something we can isolate electrically without major renovation, so thanks, government.

1) You can walk down to Home Depot right now and buy halogen incandescents that meet the new efficiency standard. There's no ban on 'incandescents'. There's a new efficiency standard for residential lighting. People now make incandescents that meet it. The old ones don't.

2) Only fairly old CFL designs use a magnetic ballast, which gives a 60Hz signal. The newer ones use electronic ballasts, which operate at 20,000-60,000 Hz. Should fix the tube amp problem.

This is why people all over the world laugh at us: morons who take anything that the regressive outrage machine puts out and run with it.

I love America but there are days when I want to sew a Canadian flag on my backpack.

They are gonna be so pissed when the see the more efficient incandescent bulbs still for sale.

Petit_Merdeux: I need to take advantage of this.

First it was ammunition and now light bulbs.

1) Carefully monitor the conservative poutrage machine and predict the next thing the morans will be hoarding.

3) profit!

DOE's list of covered and soon to be covered products:

Link (new window)

Note that appliance and equipment minimum standards have been in place at least since the 90s.

Charlie Freak: We put CFLs in at the store and they absolutely drive our tube amps nuts. We actually have to turn off the lights any time anyone wants to try a tube amp otherwise the 60hz hum from the ballast is unbearable.

The bulbs aren't your problem. I have them everywhere in my house and I can't hear them on a machine built to detect microvolts of RF.

See, that's the problem with the government. They're trying to encourage people to use solar and wind power. They need to start banning them instead and everyone would jump on board and buy up all the wind turbines they could.

Alphax: I guess they like bulbs that help heat the house in winter, but make it harder to cool in the summer.

I'm more thinking they just want to keep their lava lamps going.

/Has one
//Still trying to figure out what to do

I got a big box of 100 watt incandescent bulbs from work after they were marked out of inventory about 5 years ago. Seems like I am sitting on a gold mine!

And I'd be doing even better if the damn things would stop blowing every 2 months.

They dun took our bulbs

Feh, that's nothing, you should see my stash of non-low-flow toilets!

Cree just demoed a new, uber LED bulb a couple days ago. IMHO, it's sexyness on a plug:

1,300 lumens, 8.7 watts (150 lumens per watt.) CRI = over 90.

Link (new window)

It's just a prototype right now, but it's a working prototype. They just need to streamline the production to make it happen.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: But what good is a thriving planet, the North Andover mother asks, if her kids are forced to live in a home lighted by bulbs that are energy efficient but ruin the look of the dining room chandelier

Lady, your kids need to go the fark outside.

one of the problems industry wide is the issue of form factor. Incandescent light bulbs are generally the A19 style and CFL's get HUGE in comparison as wattages get past oh...40 watts or so. Many fixtures (especially ceiling ones) will not fit anything but a short necked incandescent.

fixture designers need to keep up with present and emerging lighting technologies.

/sells and has sold commercial LED fixtures and many many CFL's...HID and induction lighting systems...and ofc high efficiency t8 and t5 linear fluorescents.

//libertarian who knows how fiscally responsible it is to have efficient lighting.
///you can save more by having your pupmps motors and drives modernized though and your water heating systems...and environmental controls...etc.

I hope the feds don't find out I'm whaling on the weekends.

zedster: ya, sounds like someone screwed up the grounding somewhere

Yep, no ground. Or tube amps designed in 1948 plus no ground.

TDBoedy: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: But what good is a thriving planet, the North Andover mother asks, if her kids are forced to live in a home lighted by bulbs that are energy efficient but ruin the look of the dining room chandelier

Lady, your kids need to go the fark outside.

one of the problems industry wide is the issue of form factor. Incandescent light bulbs are generally the A19 style and CFL's get HUGE in comparison as wattages get past oh...40 watts or so. Many fixtures (especially ceiling ones) will not fit anything but a short necked incandescent.

fixture designers need to keep up with present and emerging lighting technologies.

/sells and has sold commercial LED fixtures and many many CFL's...HID and induction lighting systems...and ofc high efficiency t8 and t5 linear fluorescents.

//libertarian who knows how fiscally responsible it is to have efficient lighting.
///you can save more by having your pupmps motors and drives modernized though and your water heating systems...and environmental controls...etc.

I'm replacing the crappy old dial thermostats with programmable digital ones this fall.

Now if I could just afford to ditch the ceiling heat altogether, I'd be a happy camper.

Just wait until the hoarders begin deciding if a lamp is incandescent light worthy.

impaler: I have something like a 250 Watt equivalent CFL bulb in my living that gives off a warm glow and turns on instantly.

The horror.

The right-wing talk radio butt-hurt brigade like to say "if they're so much better, the market will decide." Of course the market would have already decided if they didn't tell their sheep that CFLs are a liberal plot to destroy freedom.

I imagined you drooling and wearing a diaper when you typed that.

What, pray tell, would the market have decided? (If using your scenario, the sheep were NOT told this about CFLs) How would the market have reached it's conclusion?

I have never gotten long life out of the CFLs. I change them as often as incandecents. If the LED ones wernt 40 goddamn dollars...

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Alphax
I guess they like bulbs that help heat the house in winter, but make it harder to cool in the summer.

Or there are others who haven't had good luck with reliable CFL bulbs and would rather pay $1.18 for 4 instead of $12 for something that lasts just as long.

I think once again the government wants to push technology for efficiency but cost will ultimately drive demand.

THIS.

If you plan on hoarding it should be for florescent bulbs not the incandescent ones. The newer bulbs will require you to change out your ballasts. This is not something to be concerned with for incandescent bulbs.

/mercury for everyone!!!
// Yeah!!!!!!

Charlie Freak: We put CFLs in at the store and they absolutely drive our tube amps nuts. We actually have to turn off the lights any time anyone wants to try a tube amp otherwise the 60hz hum from the ballast is unbearable.

Unfortunately it's not something we can isolate electrically without major renovation, so thanks, government.

Der yer raight! Mah tueb ampe cain't harndel al teh juhice!
RABBLERABBLERABBLE
THEY TOOK MAH JOB!
THANKS GUBMINT!!@!

MrSteve007: Cree just demoed a new, uber LED bulb a couple days ago. IMHO, it's sexyness on a plug:



1,300 lumens, 8.7 watts (150 lumens per watt.) CRI = over 90.
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Link (new window)

It's just a prototype right now, but it's a working prototype. They just need to streamline the production to make it happen.



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Right now I have ceiling "can lights". I need something in the 1200 lumens + range given the can spacing. I have the slowness of CFL and I want to keep my dimmer.

If this light comes out at an OK price I am going all LED.

You can easily compensate for the fact that the CFL bulbs don't get instantly bright when you first turn them on - just develop the habit of turning on a light a few minutes before you spend any length of time in the room it lights, and don't turn the lights off if you're only leaving there for a few minutes.

Easy.

chimp_ninja: There's no ban on 'incandescents'.

There's no ban on 'incandescents'.

There's no ban on 'incandescents'.

Emphasis supplied. Regardless, right-wing lies are impossible to rebut because right-wingers don't care about facts.