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2001-10-29 09:28:27 PM
Asian Pirates! Just like Shogun!
 
2001-10-29 09:28:50 PM
Maybe if it was sold for the dollar amount it was worth this wouldn't be such a problem.
 
2001-10-29 09:33:47 PM
I wouldn't mind buying a copy if it was only $2. Although that does seem a bit high.
 
2001-10-29 09:35:50 PM
I guess the chinese got caught up in all the excitement, what with that madonna song in the commercials.
 
2001-10-29 09:44:01 PM
* THE AVERAGE SALARY of a worker in a Chinese PC factory on the mainland is around US$35 a month....

Well that sucks... A whole day's work, just for a pirated CD... I think?
 
2001-10-29 09:44:43 PM
I read a case on this like 5 years ago in business school, it has been a problem for MS from the beginning,

the Chinese have a cultural aversion to copyrights, they simply don't believe in paying for something that they can copy for free. Microsoft is never going to beat this in China.
 
2001-10-29 09:46:11 PM
75 cents? They over paid.
 
2001-10-29 09:47:13 PM


Damn. I need to check out Ebay for this... It's probably there...
 
2001-10-29 09:49:22 PM
They're selling it for 75 cents a copy. Still overpriced :-)
 
2001-10-29 09:49:23 PM
the Chinese have a cultural aversion to copyrights, they simply don't believe in paying for something that they can copy for free. Microsoft is never going to beat this in China.

As my old boss used to say: in China "patent" means "pattern"
 
2001-10-29 09:50:52 PM
I've never understood the anti-piracy argument that 1 pirated copy of something = one lost sale of that thing. Supply/demand law dictates that anything free has a demand approaching infinate....demand goes down as price goes up. Certainly there are lost sales, but not 1:1 as they _always_ seem to quote.

Granted, there was nothing in the article about that...it's just something that bugs me.
 
2001-10-29 09:52:49 PM
Back up folks, its time for me to play my itty bitty tiny violin, just for you Bill Gates.
 
JB
2001-10-29 09:55:12 PM
Well the commercial that is running here with the Madonna song, if you look closely to the laptop sitting on the park bench, it is a MAC. How great is that?
 
2001-10-29 09:56:21 PM
This problem isn't only in China as I'm sure everyone is aware of. I don't really consider it a problem since I payed good moeny for my CD-Burner and I want to be able to use it. By the way, XP is a good OS by Microsoft standards.
 
2001-10-29 09:57:55 PM
I've never understood the anti-piracy argument that 1 pirated copy of something = one lost sale of that thing. Supply/demand law dictates that anything free has a demand approaching infinate....demand goes down as price goes up. Certainly there are lost sales, but not 1:1 as they _always_ seem to quote.

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Oh I agree 100% with your statement on lost sales because of piracy with progs like photoshop or 3d studio max but the 1 for 1 is pretty much acurate when it comes to windows otherwise you would just buy a mac.

Its not 100% 1 for 1 but its a hell of a lot higher then
those other two programs.
 
2001-10-29 09:58:06 PM
Nice little clause you included in there... "by Microsoft standards." :)
 
2001-10-29 10:07:36 PM
Yeah, Microsoft must really hate Windows XP being copied and installed on more and more computers. They desire piracy of their OS. They have a steady cashflow from businesses who have little choice but to purchace their products legally. Having end-users at home make more copies of XP is just an added bonus.
 
2001-10-29 10:14:40 PM
I'll wait for the prices to go done, 0 US dollars is the highest I'll go and any MicroSoft S.hit.
 
2001-10-29 10:24:47 PM
MS Operating Systems = Viruses
 
2001-10-29 10:41:36 PM
MS Company=S.hit
 
2001-10-29 10:47:40 PM
I really like my cracked copy of XP. It's faster, less buggy, and has more wiz-bang features than my pirated copy of win2k. I highly recommend stealing it.
 
2001-10-29 10:50:08 PM
Running xp now. It's not bad. Bill Gates is my hero.

Of course, it came in my MSDN package that the company paid for :-P

Not like I didn't take my CD and code home and burn 10 backups "just in case" wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more...
 
2001-10-29 11:29:12 PM
Okay....the average monthly salary is $35.00 a month, the software is 2 bucks a crack .....WHOSE computers are they using....My system cost me over 3500? Can't tell me a PC with all the perks goes for 100$.....
 
2001-10-29 11:30:37 PM
Have to agree that XP is decent. Beats the hell out of 98, or that utter piece of shiat Windows ME. It's stable as hell. I don't think I've had to reboot since I upgraded. <sheepish>$0.75 is more than I paid</sheepish>
 
2001-10-29 11:48:03 PM
(o)(o):....MSDN package that the company paid for :-P
Not like I didn't take my CD and code home and burn 10 backups "just in case" wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more...

My company has an MSDN subscription as well... though nowadays you still have to activate the damn thing...

I havent seen any "corporate" copies that dont need activation and/or registration... yet.

So my point lays in how you run it w/o using up a serial and not using any kind of cracks? 10 copies huh?
 
2001-10-30 12:05:05 AM
Actually, if a Chinese worker earns $35 a month and pays $0.75 for Windows XP, that's pretty much exactly the same as an American who earns $40,000 a year and pays $99.00 for the upgrade. So really, just like Americans, they're getting screwed.
 
2001-10-30 12:10:52 AM
Can someone detail the major differences between Windows2000 Pro and XP?

Win2k has been running flawlessly for me for several months... is there anything that would be cause for an upgrade?
 
2001-10-30 12:11:46 AM
*nix'ers need not apply - I've heard it all already.
 
2001-10-30 12:52:25 AM
XP has prettier colors and needs more RAM. If you already have a successful Win2K install you might as well wait till it rots or you're really bored before you "upgrade".
 
2001-10-30 01:15:48 AM
MattyJ -- There is a xpPro that is the "volume license" edition that bypasses activation and uses a common key (no, not the 111-1111112 of days gone by, but same idea).

Mierk -- XP Pro versus XP Home versus W2K Pro/server: So far, in my experiences with XP Pro, I've seen that you can install IIS on it (you have to go into windows setup and go to the add/remove windows components applet to find it), but it has some things disabled. (e.g. permissions by IP/subnet section). I have not heard if they will come out with a "server" cut of XP, but it makes sense for them to do so. XP Home: WinME done right :-)... XP Pro: win2k pro with updated bells/whistles. I haven't seen anything 'major' (hmm, maybe that's why it's ver 5.1, not ver 6.0?) XP Pro: it's not server, no Active Directory or "domain controller" functions like W2K Server/Advanced Server has. Also, XP Pro's Terminal Server knocks off the console user when a TS client logs on. W2K Server allows multiple remote admin TS sessions, W2K Pro has no TS capability at all, so I guess we should be thankful for that at least.

All Others: Upgrade? Never. Copy the shiat you want to save off somewhere else, nuke your partition, and re-format. XP has a new "format NTFS (quick)" option. The way to go, in my ever so humble opinion.
 
2001-10-30 01:27:04 AM
I never get tired of hearing the all original and funny we hate Microsoft stuff. If their competition has the imagination and creativity of the people who bash them it's no wonder they haven't brought anything to the table but garbage. I tried to be a MS basher, I ran Netscape till it was unusable. I ran Real Player instead of WMP, guess what!! I got tired of using crap.
Make BeOs easy to program for, make Linux easier to use, make Mac OS X not be another OS for the stupid and I will hate MS with the rest of you. Till then, I am too busy to be a rebel and fight for shiat that doesn't work.
 
2001-10-30 01:56:45 AM
go to anandtech and see whats wrong with linux from the POV of someone who likes it. Also go here for good reasons to like/dislike microsoft.
 
2001-10-30 03:07:28 AM
the Chinese have a cultural aversion to copyrights, they simply don't believe in paying for something that they can copy for free.


Yeah, and I happen to believe that, too.
 
2001-10-30 05:49:05 AM
i got my pirated copy
 
2001-10-30 08:27:16 AM
In Europe they had pirate copys 2 weeks b4 the release, at least in Spain and Italy, I got friends there. ;)


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WOZm - Tokyo gal
 
2001-10-30 04:17:36 PM
the pirated copy of windows xp pro no activation was available no IRC before a month of the actual release (build 2600)
 
2001-10-30 05:18:44 PM
OK, so if the Chinese aren't going to pay for it, why does Microsoft bother to make a Chinese version at all?!?

And I also wanna know: what computers are they using if they make $35 a month?
 
2001-10-30 06:42:23 PM
several things:

the copies usually are NOT in chinese (yes, the cover B.S.es sooooooo much like you wouldnt believe. i have purchased supposedly "flash 5.0" and get a pr0n cd)

the computer parts are illegally imported. putting together one is cheap (500 u.s. dollars gets you almost top of the line). the police, although sometimes tries to stop piracy, actually also uses pirated software. the average person DO NOT only make $35. they make more like $50, and the people who use computers are usually students with a decent background or people who are middle class or above.

you want irony? well in one market (filled with illegal software of course), there is a huge banner that sez "DO NOT PURCHASE ILLEGAL SOFTWARE! SUPPORT LEGAL SOFTWARE!"

piracy is not a business, it's an art, at least in china. there are websites detailing which pirated cds work and which ones doesn't. they document serial numbers of cds to tell you what to buy.

microsoft has NO CHANCE of stopping piracy. there are more people using pirated software in china than legal ones. clear fact.
 
2001-10-30 06:47:18 PM
Got XP Pro coporate on august, final bulid 2600. Its alright. I see not much diffence from 2k except prettier GUI and its a bit slower. I guess its all that eye candy. best $1.25 I ever spent on a CD-R which isn't saying much since I paid $0.50 over
 
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