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2011-08-03 11:15:19 AM

some dumb mentat: It is a farking travesty that Columbus Day is celebrated in the US as are the lies taught as dogma to school children.

www.i-italy.org
Interesting idea you have there. Be a shame if somebody whacked it out of your skull.
 
2011-08-03 11:15:44 AM

Schmee: ChrisDe: Seasons I'v Withered: ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

But when you looked up at the moon It actually did look flat.

Pie....I love pie

You know, now that you mention it, it does look flat. Like a pie.

A big pizza pie, as a matter of fact.


Another thread says the Earth had two moons. That's amore.
 
2011-08-03 11:15:52 AM
Boldly went and obliterated and enslaved those dirty non-Christians. Only one Priest among their group had a problem with how they were treating the Natives. Even in Columbus's first correspondence back to Spain, the second paragraph he wrote "they [the Natives] will make excellent servants."
 
2011-08-03 11:15:55 AM
As someone from the Dominican Republic (Hispaniola), I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Anyway, to the whiners regarding Vikings...

That's why the headline says "CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS BOLDLY WENT" and left the "where no one had gone before" part out.

some dumb mentat: It is a farking travesty that Columbus Day is celebrated in the US as are the lies taught as dogma to school children.


Let's see dumbass, what are the lies being taught?

That Columbus was the first to arrive? Irrelevant, since what's being "celebrated" is the definitive event that allowed the two cultures to have permanent contact. Viking forays were non-events that lead nowhere and had zero significance beyond "who got here first?"

That said, fark Spain. They sent a bunch of convicted criminals (thieves, killers and rapists) to this island and we're still paying the consequences.
 
2011-08-03 11:16:03 AM
ChrisDe:
Seasons I'v Withered: ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

But when you looked up at the moon It actually did look flat.

Pie....I love pie

You know, now that you mention it, it does look flat. Like a pie.


You dummies, everyone knows the moon is made of cheese. Cheese pie? I don't think so. Cheesecake on the other hand, makes a lot more sense. So even though it looks like pie, it is actually cake technically.
 
2011-08-03 11:18:36 AM

Ikimasen: EWreckedSean: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Yeah, he sailed west and ran into land. Genius. Then claimed he discovered it, even though there were already people on it, people who are no longer there, because of Columbus. What a hero.

It's been 500 years. I'd wager to guess nobody from then is here, there or anywhere anymore.

The people as in "The Native People" are also largely not around.


Ever been to Mexico or the American South West. They are everywhere. Oh sure there has been all sorts of cross breeding, but they are still here.
 
2011-08-03 11:19:40 AM

Red Shirt Blues: some dumb mentat: It is a farking travesty that Columbus Day is celebrated in the US as are the lies taught as dogma to school children.
[www.i-italy.org image 265x627]
Interesting idea you have there. Be a shame if somebody whacked it out of your skull.


Why are those dumbasses protesting Columbus

Jesus Christ, he wasn't a mass murderer. He got himself jailed shortly afterwards the journeys... and he opposed the mistreatment of natives. Heck, he wasn't even alive when the real killings started since he died in jail. The mass murderers were the ones who sent him and the ones who came after him.
 
2011-08-03 11:19:54 AM

Ikimasen: EWreckedSean: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i162.photobucket.com image 420x754]

has a problem with your [img1.fark.net image 54x11] tag.

Why? Nothing was taken from him.

His ancestral homeland? I mean, I don't recognize the man in the photograph, but I'm assuming he's a native American.


Something was taken by people long since dead by people long since dead. Believing you have rights to something because hundreds of years ago somebody along your family tree lived there is beyond silly. Life is change.
 
2011-08-03 11:19:56 AM
This is how it's done. When people are sittin' on shiat that you want, you make 'em your enemy. Then you're justified in taking it.
 
2011-08-03 11:20:18 AM
cgraves67

ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

Actually the Greeks figured out it was round. Archimedes, I think. He measured the shadow of a stake at one location and had a servant measure the shadow of an identical stake farther south at the exact same time of day on the summer solstice. The difference in the length of shadows led him to conclude that the earth is round. We just forgot all about that and focused on surviving the power vacuum that occured after the fall of the Roman Empire. Actually sailors all knew it was round too. They could see the sails of ships coming over the horizon before the ships themselves appeared. It's just that nobody listens to sailors.



Eratosthenes!!

//And btw,
//Archimedes was Sicilian
 
2011-08-03 11:23:16 AM

Schmee: Fun fact: Columbus left a day late. The harbor was jammed on his planned departure date, as Ferdinand and Isabella were expelling all the Jews from Spain.


Funner fact: He was Jewish too.

We love New York so much that we farking discovered it.
 
2011-08-03 11:23:49 AM

EWreckedSean: Ikimasen: EWreckedSean: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i162.photobucket.com image 420x754]

has a problem with your [img1.fark.net image 54x11] tag.

Why? Nothing was taken from him.

His ancestral homeland? I mean, I don't recognize the man in the photograph, but I'm assuming he's a native American.

Something was taken by people long since dead by people long since dead. Believing you have rights to something because hundreds of years ago somebody along your family tree lived there is beyond silly. Life is change.


A whole society was replaced by another whole society. For hundreds of years one group oppressed, enslaved, killed, and disenfranchised another. You're claim is that that has had no far reaching effect that continues on into today?
 
2011-08-03 11:24:35 AM

Tatsuma: Schmee: Fun fact: Columbus left a day late. The harbor was jammed on his planned departure date, as Ferdinand and Isabella were expelling all the Jews from Spain.

Funner fact: He was Jewish too.

We love New York so much that we farking discovered it.


Well, there's a theory that he was Jewish that is fairly well supported, among other theories that are also supportable.
 
2011-08-03 11:25:44 AM

Ikimasen: Well, there's a theory that he was Jewish that is fairly well supported, among other theories that are also supportable.


Well I've never seen anything that contradicts it. The facts surrounding the Jew theory are pretty much set in stone.

That we exchanged for gold and pearls with natives.
 
2011-08-03 11:27:36 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: nekom: The Vikings came to North America BEFORE it was mainstream.

And the pharoahs had chocolate. Where did it come from?


Probably the same place this corn came from: s3.amazonaws.com

Rosslyn Chapel was built in 1446, many years before Christopher Columbus set sail in search of delicious movie snacks, but that's corn (not native to Europe) carved round this window.
 
2011-08-03 11:29:34 AM
My main gripe with this guy is that he gave the banks another lame excuse to close for the day.
 
2011-08-03 11:33:17 AM
He makes shiatty movies, that's for sure
 
2011-08-03 11:33:32 AM
i51.tinypic.com
 
2011-08-03 11:34:45 AM

Tatsuma: Ikimasen: Well, there's a theory that he was Jewish that is fairly well supported, among other theories that are also supportable.

Well I've never seen anything that contradicts it. The facts surrounding the Jew theory are pretty much set in stone.

That we exchanged for gold and pearls with natives.


Actually it was mirrors.
 
2011-08-03 11:37:24 AM

EvilEgg: ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

Fun Fact, most educated people thought the earth was spherical back then. The flat earthers didn't understand the science.


Dante placed Hell inside a round Earth, and Purgatory at the antipodes of Jerusalem -- nearly two centuries before Columbus.
 
2011-08-03 11:39:42 AM

ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?


I find it hard to believe that you can be more ignorant than people 519 years ago.
 
2011-08-03 11:39:59 AM
The Jews discovered America in 600 BC. I have golden plates to prove it.
 
2011-08-03 11:40:26 AM

ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?


Those were big shiny flying turtles carrying the flat planets. Duh.
 
2011-08-03 11:40:47 AM
St Brendan frowns on these shenanigans
 
2011-08-03 11:41:45 AM

EvilEgg: ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

Fun Fact, most educated people thought the earth was spherical back then. The flat earthers didn't understand the science.


Not much has changed, huh?

Europe got better though, after the Enlightenment and a bunch of the religious bigots moved out. I wonder where they ended up...

www.elcivics.com

Oh yeah.
 
2011-08-03 11:42:04 AM

ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?


That's some fine work there.
 
2011-08-03 11:45:06 AM
Unimpressed (new window)
 
2011-08-03 11:47:19 AM

SBinRR: ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

That's some fine work there.


At least somebody gets me.
 
2011-08-03 11:53:50 AM

GAT_00: And he proudly made one of the bigger mistakes in history, all because he decided all on his own that everyone else was wrong and the planet was smaller than it really was. For that, he hit Hispaniola and started the process of killing of the ~30 million living in the Americas.


AND that greedy motherfarker stole credit^ (and the reward money) for actually spotting land!
 
2011-08-03 11:54:55 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i162.photobucket.com image 420x754]

has a problem with your [img1.fark.net image 54x11] tag.


You know how the first squashbottoms got to our land?
The first one swam over and the rest walked onver on the scum.
 
2011-08-03 12:01:18 PM
So Columbus discovered a place that had previously been discovered by Vikings and was already inhabited, great story........
 
2011-08-03 12:03:47 PM

Lemmy Kilmister: how long before the commies and other assorted self hating whites come out to say all of this is horrible?


Because everything a white man has ever done was right and will always be right, right? Heil Lemmy.
 
2011-08-03 12:10:39 PM

UNC_Samurai: On this date 518 years ago, the Arawak demanded 13 tools in retribution.

/but would let someone learn to be an Expert Fisherman


Damn you. There are still 5 hours to go until i can go play that one.

/In honor of the butthurt about the conquistadors in this thread, i shall rape the entire new world with Spain.
 
2011-08-03 12:12:07 PM
The Conquistadors did a few things right. One is uniting the tribes of Mexico in defeating the cannibalistic Aztecs.
 
2011-08-03 12:15:08 PM

Doublespeak: Because everything a white man has ever done was right and will always be right, right?


You're so edgy and cool. I bet you lay all kinds of college chicks with that kind of talk.
 
2011-08-03 12:22:00 PM
I for one celebrate Columbus sailing on the Mayflower and discovering a land never before stepped foot on by humans and also bringing pasta from China, even though he may have hunted the mammoth to extinction.
 
2011-08-03 12:23:29 PM

rocky_howard: That Columbus was the first to arrive? Irrelevant, since what's being "celebrated" is the definitive event that allowed the two cultures to have permanent contact. Viking forays were non-events that lead nowhere and had zero significance beyond "who got here first?"


As one of my history prof's said, "The importance of Christopher Columbus was not that he was the first to discover America, since he wasn't, but that he was the last."

Also, the people protesting or complaining about Columbus. Seriously, what are you going to do? Send everybody with a drop of European, African, and Asian blood back to "where they came from"? It's been a couple hundred years. The world is changed. Get over it. Maybe some people who think of themselves as Anglo-saxons should start protesting the Norman invasion of England. "Whaa, they came a long time ago and beat up our ancestors. :( "

And, seriously, anybody who hasn't gotten out of the stone age or figured out the wheel (depending on your location) by the 15th century is just asking for it. Next time do try and keep up.
 
2011-08-03 12:23:29 PM
yeah, read some Zinn.
 
2011-08-03 12:26:37 PM

FeFiFoFark: yeah, read some Zinn.


If you want badly cited, poorly sourced books where evidence that the writer feels doesn't contribute to his cause is ignored, you can find other stuff that's at least more entertaining to read.
 
2011-08-03 12:27:32 PM

ChrisDe:

You know, now that you mention it, it does look flat. Like a pie.

A big pizza pie, as a matter of fact.

Another thread says the Earth had two moons. That's amore.


Your jib. I like.
 
2011-08-03 12:30:21 PM

some dumb mentat: Anyone unsure as to what was going on in North America just prior to Columbus' arrival should read 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus (Charles Mann) or any of the other dozens of books that take a hard look as to exactly what transpired in the "finding" of the New World.

It is a farking travesty that Columbus Day is celebrated in the US as are the lies taught as dogma to school children.


How about the lies of omission regarding how savage the native americans were to the europeans and even to each other?
 
2011-08-03 12:32:01 PM

GAT_00: And he proudly made one of the bigger mistakes in history, all because he decided all on his own that everyone else was wrong and the planet was smaller than it really was. For that, he hit Hispaniola and started the process of killing of the ~30 million living in the Americas.


stone age people who ate each other, hmmm

//give a damn busted

//shut already you have your casinos
 
2011-08-03 12:33:05 PM

SBinRR: EvilEgg: You can't discover something if people are already there. The transvestite says you can, if you have a flag, but he's wrong.

I read that in Christopher Walken's voice, and it sounded awesome.


You're right, that is awesome.
 
2011-08-03 12:34:12 PM

bighairyguy: EvilEgg: You can't discover something if people are already there.

Sure you can. Arrogant white people have been doing it for a long, long time.


remeber white=right might=right wars over and they LOST

//right of discovery, stone age people have no rights
 
2011-08-03 12:36:49 PM
Saying you can't discover something because people are already there is like saying "There's already a cure for cancer....it's just that nobody knows what it is"
 
2011-08-03 12:37:30 PM

badhatharry: ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

Only idiots believed the world was flat even then.


Funny, the more things change the more they stay the same.
 
2011-08-03 12:38:42 PM
let us remember how this was financed

static.guim.co.uk
 
2011-08-03 12:40:31 PM

rocky_howard: Jesus Christ, he wasn't a mass murderer. He got himself jailed shortly afterwards the journeys...


Jailed? What for?
 
2011-08-03 12:47:47 PM

impaler: rocky_howard: Jesus Christ, he wasn't a mass murderer. He got himself jailed shortly afterwards the journeys...

Jailed? What for?


Impersonating a deity
 
2011-08-03 12:48:20 PM

cgraves67: ChrisDe: Hard to believe everybody thought the Earth was flat until then. Didn't they ever look in the sky and see the moon and every other planet was round?

Actually the Greeks figured out it was round. Archimedes, I think. He measured the shadow of a stake at one location and had a servant measure the shadow of an identical stake farther south at the exact same time of day on the summer solstice. The difference in the length of shadows led him to conclude that the earth is round. We just forgot all about that and focused on surviving the power vacuum that occured after the fall of the Roman Empire. Actually sailors all knew it was round too. They could see the sails of ships coming over the horizon before the ships themselves appeared. It's just that nobody listens to sailors.


Or, if you were a Viking, you could have seen clear across the ocean from Iceland to Greenland at certain times of the year. This was due to a rare arctic weather phenomenon, that causes light to refract around the curvature of the earth, making the ocean appear to curve *upwards* off in the distance.

It's one of the theories on how the Vikings discovered Greenland, because this phenomenon allowed them to see the normally hidden land mass from afar, giving them a clear line-of-sight to navigate there. That, and the distance between Iceland and Greenland is a fraction of the distance between Spain and the rest of North America
 
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