/ still have mine, biatchez

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/ still have mine, biatchez

Yours has the number "1" key, and if I recall correctly, my typewriters always had number "1" keys. So what's the author talking about that some typewriters didn't have any number "1" keys? I've never seen that before.

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/ still have mine, biatchez

Yours has the number "1" key, and if I recall correctly, my typewriters always had number "1" keys. So what's the author talking about that some typewriters didn't have any number "1" keys? I've never seen that before.

I have an Olivetti without one. You use the lowercase "L" instead.

Yes and try telling some 70 year old woman that AOL doesn't understand lowercase L as a digit. Over and over again.

FTFA "journalists can't even recreate how they published a newspaper 20 years ago. No one documented the details or saved the old equipment." People used typewriters in 1991?

Sounds a bit like the crisis inducer in THHGTTG.

I did all of that when I was a reporter for my high school newspaper. Retyping a marked up article on a manual typewriter was the part I hated the most.

OgreMagi: Retyping a marked up article on a manual typewriter was the part I hated the most.

And I'll bet you paid attention to what you put on the paper the first time. There's nothing like doing stuff the hard way to inspire you to do it right the first time.

Dang. I'm creepy and I have basement full of darkroom gear I'd like to get rid of. I missed the boat.

Get. Off. My. Lawn.

/That is all

I went to an engineering school in Baltimore. There was a steam engine in the basement that was used to generate power for the school's telephone system. Every student had a class on how to maintain and run the steam engine.

/It was awhile ago
//I don't think they do that any more

I founded and ran the comedy newspaper at my University (back in 2008). I can say that at least half of my staff knew how to use a manual typewriter and I knew how to do layout without a computer. These students suck.

dofus: OgreMagi: Retyping a marked up article on a manual typewriter was the part I hated the most.

And I'll bet you paid attention to what you put on the paper the first time. There's nothing like doing stuff the hard way to inspire you to do it right the first time.

Geez, I remember having to use the school manual typewriter to type my stories for high school. My mom said she would pay half for a new electric typewriter. It had a correction key. I was so excited and happy. I thought I was IT with my fancy and modern typewriter.

Gimme fives bees for a quarter.

GiraffeWaffles: FTFA "journalists can't even recreate how they published a newspaper 20 years ago. No one documented the details or saved the old equipment." People used typewriters in 1991?

Journalists don't publish a paper. Typesetters do. Journalists write newspapers.

This text is now purple: GiraffeWaffles: FTFA "journalists can't even recreate how they published a newspaper 20 years ago. No one documented the details or saved the old equipment." People used typewriters in 1991?

Journalists don't publish a paper. Typesetters do. Journalists write newspapers.

We used to drive our typesetters crazy. None of us could touch type and we didn't have self-correcting typewriters so we scribbled red ink over all of our copy using non-standard proof-reading marks.

Buuu-haaahaaaa

/We also argued vehemently over whether our nameplate (not masthead) should be set-off with one bold line or two bold lines. Two lines won out.

GiraffeWaffles: FTFA "journalists can't even recreate how they published a newspaper 20 years ago. No one documented the details or saved the old equipment." People used typewriters in 1991?

Yep, I had to redo a complete section of a military report in Courier 12 on a IBM Selectric because the IBM PS/2 Mod 80 with QMS Postscript printer could not match the previous documents.

And no, a Mac didn't work correctly either.

When I was in grade school, we toured the local newspaper. They had a big vat of molten lead for creating the type.

/Oh, that explains everything

phamwaa: When I was in grade school, we toured the local newspaper. They had a big vat of molten lead for creating the type.

/Oh, that explains everything potato

And then they delivered the papers barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways.

We learned manual photography in J-school, and paste-up, and so forth, and promptly never had to use most of it after graduation. Still glad I did, though. if the apocalypse occurs, I'll be the only one able to make a newspaper, and I'll be able to control the news! My message will be the only message! Mwahahaha!


/rosebud

JohnAnnArbor: I remember when Macs were new in the '80s, and everyone's school paper/company newsletter suddenly used 30 different fonts.

The ever popular "Ransom Note" technique of desktop publishing.

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/ still have mine, biatchez

Yours has the number "1" key, and if I recall correctly, my typewriters always had number "1" keys. So what's the author talking about that some typewriters didn't have any number "1" keys? I've never seen that before.

The Olympia in the Weeners is an electric, iirc. The article's author had his students run fully manual typewriters, meaning mono-spaced fonts, minimal number of keys and maximum allowable typing speed to avoid fouling your stamps, etc. Note the paragraph about the students not understanding the manual slide for new lines.

Basically, you're overestimating the effective date of the technology involved by several decades. You're thinking 1960s/70s and it's more 1930s/40s.

//Though they did kind of cheat by using a digital computer at the end instead of one of the big automatic type-setting presses, probably because those are huge, rare, and expensive whereas manual typewriters are actually still manufactured in some places.

I got one from the 20s or so. Thing has a "1" key.

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/ still have mine, biatchez

Yours has the number "1" key, and if I recall correctly, my typewriters always had number "1" keys. So what's the author talking about that some typewriters didn't have any number "1" keys? I've never seen that before.

I have an Olivetti without one. You use the lowercase "L" instead.

Yes and try telling some 70 year old woman that AOL doesn't understand lowercase L as a digit. Over and over again.

A few years ago*, I was setting my dad up with an AOL account. We kept on getting rejected when he tried to process the billing address. It took about 5 tries before I realized he was using lowercase l for the 1 in his zip code.

Me: Why are you pressing the l key.
Him: Because our zip code begins with the number 1, how long have you lived here?
Me: Use the number 1.
Him: It's the same thing.
Me: No it's not!


* Long enough where you shouldn't be giving me shiat about putting my parents on AOL.

I took photos for my college newspaper back in the late 80's/early 90's . I wound all my own film, I enlarged my prints. And I liked it. Someone else was paying for the film and chemicals.

I graduated a few years before 640x480 digital cameras hit the market.

All this technology has made journalist's jobs much easier in some respects. All that freed up time should have been put to focusing more on the product but it's instead been put into focusing on scrambling to be first for everything.

Ooo, I love it when people go back and don't use technology for really no farking reason while 3rd world countries are still struggling.

GiraffeWaffles FTFA "journalists can't even recreate how they published a newspaper 20 years ago. No one documented the details or saved the old equipment." People used typewriters in 1991?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was on the staff of a high school newspaper at that time (get off my lawn), and we were using computers by that time.

This just in: hardship, artificial or actual, effects and indeed necessitates community bonding and cooperation.

It's great that these kids experienced such levels of camaraderie, and crafty projects can be fun, but surely there're ways to do it that don't require neo-luddism.

I used to come home from the production floor with wax and line tape all over me. Ah, good times (not).

GiraffeWaffles: FTFA "journalists can't even recreate how they published a newspaper 20 years ago. No one documented the details or saved the old equipment." People used typewriters in 1991?

My college years were from 1991 to 1994. Sure there were computers around, they were just in the computer lab. The school paper almost certainly had them too. However, I had a typewriter. In fact I think I knew maybe three or four guys that had a computer in their room. Back then very few people had a practical need for a PC. By 1994 that had started to change, but the use of computers really blew up around 1996 with the rise of the popular Internet.

I cut my teeth doing paste up for the local daily as I was finishing up J-school in the mid- 90's. Got the job because they were in the midst of the transition from paste up to full pagination and didn't want to hire more full-time people for a job that was going to cease to exist. Thanks to that job (and working for the school paper) I knew how to paginate better than most of my peers by the time I graduated.

First job out of school was for a small-town weekly. Primarily I was the news editor but I was also brought in to modernize the layout, and teach the staff how to paginate.

Was once well versed in use of the photo wheel, and counting, YES COUNTING, characters in headlines to see it they would fit. Always preferred hot wax for paste up. One place I worked used spray-on rubber cement, that shiat was nasty. Wax was fun.

I also tried to take the tip of my finger off one night with an exacto. Slapped a pica pole on the side of a page to trim off excess paper and damn near lost the tip of my index finger, lost enough blood to get dizzy. I did not break rule #1 of paste up.

/Don't bleed on the page.
//Blood reproduces when you shoot it.

halB: I got one from the 20s or so. Thing has a "1" key.

That's interesting, because my 1940's vintage royal (which is not a portable, but the industrial grade/steno pool model) does not have a 1.

I can post a pic if anyone gives a fark.

OH GOD HOW DID THIS GET HERE

I AM NOT GOOD WITHOUT COMPUTER

so rather than teach kids relevant, pertinent details that could get them a job in a cut-throat business where weakness is weeded out like a virus, and those who fall behind by a couple weeks are left in the dust.. these professors got their jollies by wasting time on this? of course.

GiraffeWaffles: People used typewriters in 1991?

Newspaper people may very well have been.

That industry has always been averse to adopting new technologies, which is part of the reason why it's near death.