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2011-08-02 10:12:53 AM  
joey-g.net
 
2011-08-02 10:13:39 AM  
I'm surprised that Beltway Sniper-type shootings aren't more common. It would be an excellent tactic for Al Qaeda, for example. With just three teams of two shooters, you could tie up an area in farkin' *KNOTS* for months. You number the teams 1, 2, and 3. They don't know anyone from the other teams. Team 2 would have orders to start after seeing that team 1 had been killed or captured. Likewise with team 3. All would be told to buy common second-hand bolt action hunting rifles in common hunting calibers, fire only *1* shot at any one site, and not leave any brass. Buy hunting ammo on sale, one box at a time, from different stores. Don't use a military style gun (attracts attention), and don't use ball ammo (it's cheaper, but less effective than hunting ammo).

It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.
 
2011-08-02 10:34:35 AM  

Bukharin: [joey-g.net image 256x306]


"The Sniper Formally Known as Lee Malvo" just doesn't have a nice ring to it.
 
2011-08-02 10:34:55 AM  
That little cocksucker jacked up my commute for quite some time!

Oh, and there are those dead people, too, I guess...
 
2011-08-02 10:37:07 AM  
FTFA: "McElyea noted that Malvo hadn't had any problems in his seven years at Red Onion State Prison, in Pound, Va."

Heh. He's literally in Pound (MITA) Prison.
 
182
2011-08-02 10:37:19 AM  

dittybopper: I'm surprised that Beltway Sniper-type shootings aren't more common. It would be an excellent tactic for Al Qaeda, for example. With just three teams of two shooters, you could tie up an area in farkin' *KNOTS* for months. You number the teams 1, 2, and 3. They don't know anyone from the other teams. Team 2 would have orders to start after seeing that team 1 had been killed or captured. Likewise with team 3. All would be told to buy common second-hand bolt action hunting rifles in common hunting calibers, fire only *1* shot at any one site, and not leave any brass. Buy hunting ammo on sale, one box at a time, from different stores. Don't use a military style gun (attracts attention), and don't use ball ammo (it's cheaper, but less effective than hunting ammo).

It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.


*flagged for the FBI*
 
2011-08-02 10:37:41 AM  
Looks to me like he made the name up (dnrtfa), as there is no reference to "Ostrierre" on the internets, that I can see.

Hmmm...looks like a cross between "ostrich" and "derriere." Has dreams of a tall Lee Harvey?
 
2011-08-02 10:37:55 AM  
Okay, maybe not "literally".
 
2011-08-02 10:42:08 AM  
You know that guy is never getting out of prison, so might as well give him a Cher wig and a sex change while he's at it.
 
2011-08-02 10:42:17 AM  
Clearly he wanted his initials to be J-Lo.
 
2011-08-02 10:43:00 AM  

dittybopper: It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.


congrats. you are officially smarter than most terrorists. For your own safety, and the safety of others, do try to keep such musings to yourself.
 
2011-08-02 10:48:39 AM  

dittybopper: you are less likely to attract attention.


and you just pin-pointed the flaw in your plan. the whole point is to attract attention and die in the process. snipers get arrested. they talk, they ruin the terrorists plot. ever wonder why the bombers are suicide bombers? so those in power have no liability. The perpetrator is dead. the infrastructure cannot be exposed because the only person who knows all the connections is dead. It would be just as easy to set a bomb and set it off remotely. but, then there would be someone to arrest, and eventually he'd bring down the guys in power with a cushy plea deal (for example, no more torture if you talk)

/ terrorist martyrdom was created to keep the heads of the movement safe, imho.
 
2011-08-02 10:48:42 AM  

dittybopper: I'm surprised that Beltway Sniper-type shootings aren't more common. It would be an excellent tactic for Al Qaeda, for example. With just three teams of two shooters, you could tie up an area in farkin' *KNOTS* for months. You number the teams 1, 2, and 3. They don't know anyone from the other teams. Team 2 would have orders to start after seeing that team 1 had been killed or captured. Likewise with team 3. All would be told to buy common second-hand bolt action hunting rifles in common hunting calibers, fire only *1* shot at any one site, and not leave any brass. Buy hunting ammo on sale, one box at a time, from different stores. Don't use a military style gun (attracts attention), and don't use ball ammo (it's cheaper, but less effective than hunting ammo).

It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.


Party at dittybopper's place!

[insert FBI Party Van pic here]
 
2011-08-02 10:55:09 AM  

pute kisses like a man: dittybopper: you are less likely to attract attention.

and you just pin-pointed the flaw in your plan. the whole point is to attract attention and die in the process. snipers get arrested. they talk, they ruin the terrorists plot. ever wonder why the bombers are suicide bombers? so those in power have no liability. The perpetrator is dead. the infrastructure cannot be exposed because the only person who knows all the connections is dead. It would be just as easy to set a bomb and set it off remotely. but, then there would be someone to arrest, and eventually he'd bring down the guys in power with a cushy plea deal (for example, no more torture if you talk)

/ terrorist martyrdom was created to keep the heads of the movement safe, imho.


I meant "less likely to attract attention during the preparatory phase".
 
Skr
2011-08-02 10:55:32 AM  
I am
surprised
that
William
Shatner
got him
to speak.
 
2011-08-02 10:56:57 AM  
dittybopper: You number the teams 1, 2, and 4

FIFY
 
2011-08-02 10:57:04 AM  

182: dittybopper:
snippy snup


*flagged for the FBI*


Oh c'mon. This is DITT, the one man, olde sk00l army. He could kill a terrorist with a twig! Don't let his old mohawk photo fool you; he's one of the good guys.


/at least thats what I keep saying about him publically so he won't start his murderous rampage on me.
 
2011-08-02 10:58:41 AM  

Man On Fire: dittybopper: It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.

congrats. you are officially smarter than most terrorists. For your own safety, and the safety of others, do try to keep such musings to yourself.


Meh.

You want to hear my idea about silent autonomous underwater drug smuggling vehicles? Or how you can build a cruise missile for cheap?
 
2011-08-02 10:59:58 AM  

mekkab: 182: dittybopper:
snippy snup


*flagged for the FBI*

Oh c'mon. This is DITT, the one man, olde sk00l army. He could kill a terrorist with a twig! Don't let his old mohawk photo fool you; he's one of the good guys.


/at least thats what I keep saying about him publically so he won't start his murderous rampage on me.


Actually, my real name is Melvin Q. Milquetoast.
 
2011-08-02 11:01:51 AM  

PsiChi: Looks to me like he made the name up (dnrtfa), as there is no reference to "Ostrierre" on the internets, that I can see.

Hmmm...looks like a cross between "ostrich" and "derriere." Has dreams of a tall Lee Harvey?


I'm a little to lazy to look it up or post a pic, but there was an Ostierre on Arrested Developement, one of the Lucilles
 
2011-08-02 11:06:48 AM  

dittybopper: Man On Fire: dittybopper: It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.

congrats. you are officially smarter than most terrorists. For your own safety, and the safety of others, do try to keep such musings to yourself.

Meh.

You want to hear my idea about silent autonomous underwater drug smuggling vehicles? Or how you can build a cruise missile for cheap?


the first has been done, IIRC, the second is a R/C model airplane, add explosives to taste.
 
2011-08-02 11:12:27 AM  
weirdest opening sentence ever:
Serial killer Lee Boyd Malvo, last seen in an exclusive phone chat with Star Trek's Captain Kirk....
 
2011-08-02 11:15:37 AM  
dittybopper: You want to hear my idea about silent autonomous underwater drug smuggling vehicles? Or how you can build a cruise missile for cheap?

Yes.
 
2011-08-02 11:18:16 AM  

dittybopper: I'm surprised that Beltway Sniper-type shootings aren't more common. It would be an excellent tactic for Al Qaeda... It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.


The idea of coordinated arson is way scarier to me. Just drive around the suburbs at night lighting shiat on fire.
 
2011-08-02 11:22:01 AM  

Man On Fire: You want to hear my idea about silent autonomous underwater drug smuggling vehicles? Or how you can build a cruise missile for cheap?

the first has been done, IIRC, the second is a R/C model airplane, add explosives to taste.


Actually, the first hasn't been done, at least not to my knowledge. Perhaps you missed the word I bolded above?

As for the second, well, 1. it's not an original idea, and 2. you aren't thinking big enough.
 
2011-08-02 11:22:05 AM  
Ditty's got a good plan, just like any good OPFOR planner would have. Seeing weaknesses in your own defense is the first step to improving.

For example, if terrorists want to make another great mass casualty attack, the best place to hit would be those big snaking lines in front of TSA checkpoints. You've masses of people (maybe 2 plane-loads worth at a big airport during busy times), you're pretty much guaranteed not to be picked up by any kind of security because you're in line to get checked by security. You've got two choices: just blow up the line with a command detonated bomb, or use an x-ray sensitive trigger to blow up the checkpoint itself, using the x-ray machine as shrapnel. The latter option shuts down that checkpoint, making a bigger backlog at other checkpoints, making them better targets. Eventually, they just shut down the airport because the powers that be just aren't going to go for the Archie Bunker air travel defense plan because such a plan does not require TSA to exist.

It's the same principle that sank US Carriers with fishing boats in the Millennium Challenge 2002 wargame.
 
2011-08-02 11:23:43 AM  
I propose a name change to Dead MutherFugger instead.
 
2011-08-02 11:25:49 AM  

Skr: I am
surprised
that
William
Shatner
gotlet him
to speak.


FTFY
 
2011-08-02 11:26:11 AM  
Holy Fark I was way off... Austerro
 
2011-08-02 11:26:33 AM  
And this is where I did a double-take:

FTFA - Serial killer Lee Boyd Malvo, last seen in an exclusive phone chat with Star Trek's Captain Kirk, recently filed a motion to legally change his name to the less memorable Joseph Lee Ostrierre. A Wise County Circuit Court judge on Friday told him no.


Per the linked story:


FTFA - Malvo's latest version of his actions, which began in February 2002 in Tacoma, Wash., and ended with 10 murders in the Washington region in October 2002, are scheduled to air Thursday night on A&E to kick off a new series, "Aftermath With William Shatner," in which the former "Star Trek" star revisits high-profile cases.


Okay, that kinda makes sense. I couldn't come up with a scenario where an actor would want to talk with a convicted killer other than preparing for a role and somehow I couldn't see Shatner playing Malvo.


/Anyone beside me think of Voldemort's family when they see the name "Malvo?"
 
2011-08-02 11:26:58 AM  

Man On Fire: dittybopper: It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.

congrats. you are officially smarter than most terrorists. For your own safety, and the safety of others, do try to keep such musings to yourself.


He is right and it is something that has been said many times before by terrorism experts. The thing with Al Qaeda was that they didn't want to do attacks like this. They wanted to do attacks that would cause the most amount of death at one time and would make the loudest boom to get ass much attention as possible very quickly. Even though a coordinated spread out sniper attack would probably tie up the U.S for a long time and work far better at terrorizing people, it just isn't Al Qaeda's style.
 
2011-08-02 11:33:12 AM  

dr.zaeus: dittybopper: I'm surprised that Beltway Sniper-type shootings aren't more common. It would be an excellent tactic for Al Qaeda... It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.

The idea of coordinated arson is way scarier to me. Just drive around the suburbs at night lighting shiat on fire.


Nah. Fire just isn't as viscerally panic-inducing.
 
2011-08-02 11:43:49 AM  

ongbok: Man On Fire: dittybopper: It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.

congrats. you are officially smarter than most terrorists. For your own safety, and the safety of others, do try to keep such musings to yourself.

He is right and it is something that has been said many times before by terrorism experts. The thing with Al Qaeda was that they didn't want to do attacks like this. They wanted to do attacks that would cause the most amount of death at one time and would make the loudest boom to get ass much attention as possible very quickly. Even though a coordinated spread out sniper attack would probably tie up the U.S for a long time and work far better at terrorizing people, it just isn't Al Qaeda's style.


My thinking on this is that it's a post-9/11 style of attack. Putting myself in the mind of someone who wants to attack the US (as a gedankenexperiment only), it seems that the single big flashy attacks aren't feasible anymore. Collecting enough explosives to make a significant bomb is tough to do without attracting attention, and the increased security theater is likely to block airliner-based attacks.

So, if you try those routes, you are likely pissing away precious money and people on something that probably isn't going to work anyway. An attack that never gets beyond the "gather materials" stage isn't an attack.

However, the Beltway Sniper attacks did tie up the DC area for weeks, and that success could relatively easily be duplicated. Having multiple sequential teams would add to that, and you wouldn't know when it would end until you went weeks or months without an attack. The goal of terrorism is to terrorize people (duh!), and sustained low-level sniper attacks would be effective.
 
2011-08-02 11:57:28 AM  
i27.photobucket.com
Would like a word about this
 
2011-08-02 12:07:42 PM  

dittybopper: I'm surprised that Beltway Sniper-type shootings aren't more common. It would be an excellent tactic for Al Qaeda, for example. With just three teams of two shooters, you could tie up an area in farkin' *KNOTS* for months. You number the teams 1, 2, and 3. They don't know anyone from the other teams. Team 2 would have orders to start after seeing that team 1 had been killed or captured. Likewise with team 3. All would be told to buy common second-hand bolt action hunting rifles in common hunting calibers, fire only *1* shot at any one site, and not leave any brass. Buy hunting ammo on sale, one box at a time, from different stores. Don't use a military style gun (attracts attention), and don't use ball ammo (it's cheaper, but less effective than hunting ammo).

It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.


I'm glad they never thought of it. I hope nobody suggests....oh, wait...
 
2011-08-02 12:31:26 PM  
Shatner is from Montreal.....
 
2011-08-02 12:43:19 PM  
Breaking News: 5 Farkers detained by the FBI after planning terrorism attacks.

Bill O'Reily: "Clearly this whole group of "Farkers" are involved in these plots."

Glen Beck: "Fark, you mean FARC don't you? They're hiding in plain sight on our interwebz."

Nancy Grace: "They don't make the news, they right the headlines."
 
2011-08-02 01:02:13 PM  
tfa: Malvo filed a motion to change his name due to concern for "his safety, [to] reduce the risk of assault by other inmates due to the notoriety of his crimes."

I have as much concern for his safety as he had for the safety of the people in his sights.

eat a bag of dicks, malvo.
 
2011-08-02 01:44:58 PM  
The food supply is another high risk target, that would be fairly easy to infiltrate and contaminate with fairly easy to obtain materials (e. coli is easy to find).

TSA checkpoints are an excellent ironic choice.
 
2011-08-02 02:06:38 PM  

marius2: Nancy Grace: "They don't make the news, they right the headlines."


I love the (un?)intentional hilarity of that spelling error, considering how many anal-retentives we have here. :)
 
2011-08-02 02:29:52 PM  

nelsonal: The food supply is another high risk target, that would be fairly easy to infiltrate and contaminate with fairly easy to obtain materials (e. coli is easy to find).


The problem with that one is that it's easily handled by cooking the food, and it's not easily and immediately distinguishable from a natural outbreak. We have unintentional outbreaks all the time, and mostly they are local news, perhaps regional, but only rarely are they national or world-wide news unless there is a large death toll, or the media happens to be bored that day.

It's just not panic-inducing enough.
 
2011-08-02 04:30:07 PM  

dittybopper: ongbok: Man On Fire: dittybopper: It's something that is doable if you have the people willing to act, and because you aren't buying explosives and such you are less likely to attract attention.

congrats. you are officially smarter than most terrorists. For your own safety, and the safety of others, do try to keep such musings to yourself.

He is right and it is something that has been said many times before by terrorism experts. The thing with Al Qaeda was that they didn't want to do attacks like this. They wanted to do attacks that would cause the most amount of death at one time and would make the loudest boom to get ass much attention as possible very quickly. Even though a coordinated spread out sniper attack would probably tie up the U.S for a long time and work far better at terrorizing people, it just isn't Al Qaeda's style.

My thinking on this is that it's a post-9/11 style of attack. Putting myself in the mind of someone who wants to attack the US (as a gedankenexperiment only), it seems that the single big flashy attacks aren't feasible anymore. Collecting enough explosives to make a significant bomb is tough to do without attracting attention, and the increased security theater is likely to block airliner-based attacks.

So, if you try those routes, you are likely pissing away precious money and people on something that probably isn't going to work anyway. An attack that never gets beyond the "gather materials" stage isn't an attack.

However, the Beltway Sniper attacks did tie up the DC area for weeks, and that success could relatively easily be duplicated. Having multiple sequential teams would add to that, and you wouldn't know when it would end until you went weeks or months without an attack. The goal of terrorism is to terrorize people (duh!), and sustained low-level sniper attacks would be effective.


It is a good idea but the goal is not to terrorize people. We call them terrorist, because their attacks cause terror not because they are trying to create terror. The terrorist want to draw attention to their cause which is generally anti-capitalism and anti-freedom in favor of a system that keeps religionist nut jobs in power. There is also the matter of Saudi Arabia rejecting Bin Laden's help in favor of the US after Iraq invaded Kuwait. It is a good thing they are making this kind of effort instead of just trying to create terror else they would be a greater threat. As it is now they are usually discovered long before they can make their attacks. They would have been discovered before 9/11 but the ball was dropped at many locations.
 
2011-08-02 07:06:04 PM  
My taxes are going to keep this farkstain alive.
 
2011-08-02 10:00:43 PM  
And this is ironic how?
 
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