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2011-08-01 12:18:35 AM
I'm a Christian. I'll bite.

I think it's bullshiat. The dude is obviously disturbed. He's racist, at best. He attributed things to "Christianity" that have nothing to do with being Christian (though, according the an above post, he actually admits this).

King Richard the Lionheart, btw, used religion as an excuse to chase personal glory. The crusades were a horrible thing, and I deeply regret that right-wing Christians defend them as anything good. My thoughts on this particular strain are pretty long-winded, so I'll spare everyone. I could probably write my own manifesto, but it'd be a real snore.

Long story short, guy's a mental case. He may believe in Jesus, and may be a Christian, but his acts are based on misguided assumptions that faith and breeding go hand in hand, and that Israel needs out help, somehow. He committed murder, he needs to be punished by the laws of his land.

And, for the record, I absolutely cannot stand it when American Christians insist that Christianity is a Republican thing. I really, absolutely loathe that. And I grew up a Christian Republican. I think the level of American Jeezussss going on in this nation right now is abhorrent. And I say this as someone who believes in Jesus. He's being grossly misrepresented in this nation (and subsequently, to the rest of the world) by people who turn the Gospel into a weapon, or a political tool. That's so profoundly disrespectful that it turns my stomach. I have no use for the Tea Party as it stands, for this very reason.

And, mark my words, the "American Jeezus" is gonna turn out killers before long. Militia, terrorists, whatever you want to call them, it's going to be people who were programmed by political leaders (and, oddly enough, political leaders deeply influence a lot of church leaders, which is horrid) to kill in the name of "America", and in the name of "Jesus", and there is nothing either American, nor Christian, about it. I weep deeply for what Christ has become to the world.

/end rant
//sorry for the lack of coherence. I'm sure that wall of text is rather disjointed.
/// seriously, though, the guy is a racist shiatbag.
 
2011-08-01 12:19:58 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: This is why I am a godless bastard.

Organized religion breeds hate, if you doubt that drop into an Apple/Android thread.


I'm not quite that negative.

I see religion as a tool. It's the easiest way for a person to get a large group devoted to a cause, and a good person will make sure the cause is good and a bad person will make sure the cause is bad.
 
2011-08-01 12:20:00 AM

Your Favorite Token Black Chick: kliq: White people obviously can't be religious terrorists. That means...anyone can be corrupted...even in this country...with the same religion...uhh errrr USA USA USA USA!

[t2.gstatic.com image 253x199]

I am really curious how Fox News treats people like Tim McVeigh. Are they government hating anarchists while their religious/conservative leanings completely ignored or what?


Well, that old Timothy McVeigh was ringin' them bells and yelling that the government wasn't gonna take our bombs away.

/btdubs....love your username
 
2011-08-01 12:20:49 AM
All christians are terrorists.
 
2011-08-01 12:20:52 AM

Agent Nick Fury: And how upsetting it was when all the Christians took to the streets and partied when that happened.


Some of the fetus-worshippers DO celebrate when one of their own destroys a clinic or murders a doctor. Just a few examples:

"Welcome Pro-Life Activists - Have a Blast," read the marquee outside a little motel in Appleton, Wisconsin, in 1985. Members of the Pro-Life Action Network (PLAN) were in a festive mood following dozens of arsons and bombings of abortion clinics around the United States (new window).
Some wore firecrackers on their conference name badges.

* * * * *

March 26, 1986
Members of PLAN invade a clinic in Pensacola, Fla., throwing the clinic administrator down the stairs, injuring a NOW chapter president and wrecking medical equipment, forcing the clinic out of business for several days. Joe Scheidler stands outside during the invasion, praising those who went in and taking credit for the mayhem (new window).

* * * * *

March 10, 1993: Abortion Doctor Murdered by Anti-Abortion Advocate

Dr. David Gunn, a women's doctor and abortion provider in Pensacola, Florida, is shot to death by anti-abortion advocate Michael Griffin, while members of the anti-abortion organization Rescue America protest outside his clinic. The protesters scream, chant, and wave signs declaring, "David Gunn Kills Babies." Griffin steps forward from a group of protesters, yells, "Don't kill any more babies!" and fires three shots into Gunn's back as he is exiting his car. Gunn dies during surgery at a nearby hospital. Griffin informs police that he shot Gunn with a .38 revolver he is carrying, and surrenders to police officers without incident. Steve Powell, an employee at the office park which houses the clinic, later tells reporters that the Rescue America protesters seemed "just happy" after the shooting (new window).

* * * * *

I've witnessed anti-abortion violence firsthand. Back in 1992, I took part in a pro-choice rally outside an anti-abortion GOP Congressman's office in Burbank, CA. A small group of anti-abortionists arrived and started hassling us. A couple of guys drove by in a pickup truck and threw an unopened can of soda at a pro-choice demonstrator, hitting her in the head and knocking her down. They started laughing and cheering. Several of us put our signs down to help the woman, at which time some of the other anti-choice nuts started cheering.

"Pro-life," my ass.

I
 
2011-08-01 12:21:18 AM

simplicimus: Agent Nick Fury: simplicimus: Agent Nick Fury: simplicimus: Agent Nick Fury: simplicimus: astouffer: The number of christians who have blown things up I can count on one hand. Good luck with the religion of peace. What does it average worldwide, one a week?

Hiroshima on line one. Please hold. Nagasaki on line two. Please hold. Dresden on line three. Please hold.

Right, because that was a religious war.

Glad no Jews or Muslums fought against the Axis.

Um, no. Most of the Jews were a little preoccupied, but the Ethiopians kicked Italy's ass. But there were Jews in the armed forces.

Um, so, it wasn't a strictly Christian action?

And, um, a lot of American Jews weren't, um, preoccupied.

And, um, there were alot of Muslums in the American Armed Forces that weren't, um, Ethiopians.

Underlying point is that none of targets were of military importance. Pure terrorism.

And you know this from your Poly-Sci course at Cal, right?

No such thing as terrorism during a declared war.

War crimes, sure, usually the side that wins decides what the war crimes are.

But not terrorism.

No Queens College, CUNY. And what part of targeting non-combatants is not terrorism?


Declaration of war.

Sad but true.

Again, you can claim war crimes but not terrorism.
 
2011-08-01 12:24:13 AM

Lorelle: Agent Nick Fury: And how upsetting it was when all the Christians took to the streets and partied when that happened.

Some of the fetus-worshippers DO celebrate when one of their own destroys a clinic or murders a doctor. Just a few examples:

"Welcome Pro-Life Activists - Have a Blast," read the marquee outside a little motel in Appleton, Wisconsin, in 1985. Members of the Pro-Life Action Network (PLAN) were in a festive mood following dozens of arsons and bombings of abortion clinics around the United States (new window).
Some wore firecrackers on their conference name badges.

* * * * *

March 26, 1986
Members of PLAN invade a clinic in Pensacola, Fla., throwing the clinic administrator down the stairs, injuring a NOW chapter president and wrecking medical equipment, forcing the clinic out of business for several days. Joe Scheidler stands outside during the invasion, praising those who went in and taking credit for the mayhem (new window).

* * * * *

March 10, 1993: Abortion Doctor Murdered by Anti-Abortion Advocate

Dr. David Gunn, a women's doctor and abortion provider in Pensacola, Florida, is shot to death by anti-abortion advocate Michael Griffin, while members of the anti-abortion organization Rescue America protest outside his clinic. The protesters scream, chant, and wave signs declaring, "David Gunn Kills Babies." Griffin steps forward from a group of protesters, yells, "Don't kill any more babies!" and fires three shots into Gunn's back as he is exiting his car. Gunn dies during surgery at a nearby hospital. Griffin informs police that he shot Gunn with a .38 revolver he is carrying, and surrenders to police officers without incident. Steve Powell, an employee at the office park which houses the clinic, later tells reporters that the Rescue America protesters seemed "just happy" after the shooting (new window).

* * * * *

I've witnessed anti-abortion violence firsthand. Back in 1992, I took part in a pro-choice rally outside an anti-abortion GOP Congressman's office in Burbank, CA. A small group of anti-abortionists arrived and started hassling us. A couple of guys drove by in a pickup truck and threw an unopened can of soda at a pro-choice demonstrator, hitting her in the head and knocking her down. They started laughing and cheering. Several of us put our signs down to help the woman, at which time some of the other anti-choice nuts started cheering.

"Pro-life," my ass.

I


And with people like this who exist, draw breath, and are even in charge of formulating our laws, how am I not supposed to go through life hating everyone except for an extremely small sample of people and my dog?

Jesus Christ.
 
2011-08-01 12:24:39 AM

USP .45: for the Christian terrorist, what is a slogan equivalent to "allahu akbar" before detonating themselves or someone else?

accurate input is welcome, not that I expect it.

/in b4 "we report you decide" *BOOM*


"Hey yall, watch this!"
 
2011-08-01 12:25:03 AM

Lorelle: Agent Nick Fury: And how upsetting it was when all the Christians took to the streets and partied when that happened.

Some of the fetus-worshippers DO celebrate when one of their own destroys a clinic or murders a doctor. Just a few examples:

"Welcome Pro-Life Activists - Have a Blast," read the marquee outside a little motel in Appleton, Wisconsin, in 1985. Members of the Pro-Life Action Network (PLAN) were in a festive mood following dozens of arsons and bombings of abortion clinics around the United States (new window).
Some wore firecrackers on their conference name badges.

* * * * *

March 26, 1986
Members of PLAN invade a clinic in Pensacola, Fla., throwing the clinic administrator down the stairs, injuring a NOW chapter president and wrecking medical equipment, forcing the clinic out of business for several days. Joe Scheidler stands outside during the invasion, praising those who went in and taking credit for the mayhem (new window).

* * * * *

March 10, 1993: Abortion Doctor Murdered by Anti-Abortion Advocate

Dr. David Gunn, a women's doctor and abortion provider in Pensacola, Florida, is shot to death by anti-abortion advocate Michael Griffin, while members of the anti-abortion organization Rescue America protest outside his clinic. The protesters scream, chant, and wave signs declaring, "David Gunn Kills Babies." Griffin steps forward from a group of protesters, yells, "Don't kill any more babies!" and fires three shots into Gunn's back as he is exiting his car. Gunn dies during surgery at a nearby hospital. Griffin informs police that he shot Gunn with a .38 revolver he is carrying, and surrenders to police officers without incident. Steve Powell, an employee at the office park which houses the clinic, later tells reporters that the Rescue America protesters seemed "just happy" after the shooting (new window).

* * * * *

I've witnessed anti-abortion violence firsthand. Back in 1992, I took part in a pro-choice rally outside an anti-abortion GOP Congressman's office in Burbank, CA. A small group of anti-abortionists arrived and started hassling us. A couple of guys drove by in a pickup truck and threw an unopened can of soda at a pro-choice demonstrator, hitting her in the head and knocking her down. They started laughing and cheering. Several of us put our signs down to help the woman, at which time some of the other anti-choice nuts started cheering.

"Pro-life," my ass.

I


Good Lord, a can of soda?

You must be scarred for life!

Yeah, that's almost like a whole country of people taking to the streets..

And where are the 'this thing going on in Egypt is AWESOME!' crowd?
 
2011-08-01 12:25:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: USP .45: Your Favorite Token Black Chick: I am really curious how Fox News treats people like Tim McVeigh. Are they government hating anarchists while their religious/conservative leanings completely ignored or what?

I'm curious how you can call an anarchist conservative but then ignore that an anarchist is also liberal in many ways. oh wait, you're a hack making hack comments.

Except, to answer the question as asked, IIRC, when McVeigh did his little bombing, after the media got "it's got Arab terrorist written all over it" out of their systems, most of the attention turned to McVeigh's reading of "The Turner Diaries", and his disgruntlement with the US after Desert Storm. In other words, he was mostly viewed as an ultra-right aberration with vague ties to a few militia groups. No particular attention was paid to his political/religious views until much later, at his trial, I believe.


"I didn't define the rules of engagement in this conflict, The rules, if not written down, are defined by the aggressor. It was brutal, no holds barred. Women and children were killed at Waco and Ruby Ridge. You put back in (the government's) faces exactly what they¨re giving out." - T. McVeigh

he sounds very much like a Palestinian militant describing Israeli actions, and personally I would still not describe Palestinian militants as "Muslim terrorists," even though they have an unshakeable connection to Islam.

so because he sounds like a Palestinian / "conservative" I'm sure Farklibs will all of a sudden sponsor Tatsuma for some free TF right? didn't think so =p
 
2011-08-01 12:25:53 AM

Lorelle: I've witnessed anti-abortion violence firsthand. Back in 1992, I took part in a pro-choice rally outside an anti-abortion GOP Congressman's office in Burbank, CA. A small group of anti-abortionists arrived and started hassling us. A couple of guys drove by in a pickup truck and threw an unopened can of soda at a pro-choice demonstrator, hitting her in the head and knocking her down. They started laughing and cheering. Several of us put our signs down to help the woman, at which time some of the other anti-choice nuts started cheering.

"Pro-life," my ass.


Well...she didn't die, did she?
 
2011-08-01 12:26:40 AM
Ill tell you the same thing I told that other guy..... Jesus is Hispanic.
 
2011-08-01 12:27:14 AM

Agent Nick Fury: You realize that 'Christianity' has over 70 different religions much like every other theology.


Yes, not even counting variants like Brevik's -- although "sects" would be a more correct bit of terminology.

That's incidental to my thesis: the religiosity is playing a non-trivial role, albeit more as tool than motivator.
 
2011-08-01 12:27:20 AM

alltandubh: In any case, Communism still exists and is still killing


Sorry, your team is the biggest threat today. Conservatives are trying to drag us back to the Dark Ages. Teabaggers or Taliban, whatever you call yourselves, you are fighting to make things worse for the rest of us.
 
2011-08-01 12:28:51 AM
And seriously, fetus-worshippers?

Regardless of your stance on abortion how do you come up with names like that?

Something tells me you would be the first person chaining yourself to a tree if someone found eagle eggs in it.
 
2011-08-01 12:29:00 AM

simplicimus: And what part of targeting non-combatants is not terrorism?


You're not arguing actions here, really, you're arguing semantics.

It was common in earlier world wars, for example, to "carpet bomb" the enemy. This practice targeted things like entire towns. Those towns would contain strategic military targets, but like any town would also contain civilian populations. The whole damn thing would just get plowed with hundreds or thousands of bombs. Part of the stated strategy was to demoralize the enemy and weaken his resolve to further the war, with full acknowledgement that killing civilians en masse was part and parcel of that strategy.

It was called "warfare", not "terrorism".

The definition(s) of the word "terrorism" has been in flux, especially since 9/11.

There are a lot of things that are and have historically been considered "warfare" that some people may, today, re-classify as terrorism. Even the nuclear attacks on Japan were just considered a matter of warfare, even though there was a massive loss of civilian life and despite the fact that terrifying the japanese into surrender was a stated purpose of the bombings. It was also, correctly, determined that those actions actually saved a great deal of lives by ending the war.

These issues are complex and difficult to pigeonhole neatly into categories. War is ugly and it always will be ugly, and the struggle to define and understand it will always be difficult.
 
2011-08-01 12:29:49 AM

Rashnu: USP .45: for the Christian terrorist, what is a slogan equivalent to "allahu akbar" before detonating themselves or someone else?

accurate input is welcome, not that I expect it.

/in b4 "we report you decide" *BOOM*

"God is great." They're all talking to the same guy.

/or maybe hallelujah


ok. literal answer is literal.

so I guess my point is, they don't. not that I've ever seen or heard of anyways.
 
2011-08-01 12:31:10 AM

thatboyoverthere: However there was no farking excuse to bomb Dresden. No excuse. No military targets, no factory's,


That's not entirely true. There were factories in the suburbs, they just weren't bombed because the targeting was in the city center. The city itself was the intersection for three important German rail lines, and those did count as a military target. Historical arguments about Dresden aren't that there weren't any military targets at all to be had, but that there weren't enough to justify the scale of the bombing, which was likely true.
 
2011-08-01 12:32:06 AM

bulldg4life: You're a goddamn idiot, eh?


Throw some numbers at me. Show me statistics on christian bombers vs islamic.
 
2011-08-01 12:33:22 AM
Yeah Im sure the guys who firebombed the planned parenthood clinic were Shinto
 
2011-08-01 12:33:53 AM

Agent Nick Fury: Good Lord, a can of soda?

You must be scarred for life!

Yeah, that's almost like a whole country of people taking to the streets..

And where are the 'this thing going on in Egypt is AWESOME!' crowd?


They drove around a few times and threw several cans of soda before hitting that woman (we were standing on a triangular piece of land across the street from an office building; the anti-abortionists were on the sidewalk in front of that building). As far as I'm concerned, they're nothing but violent, hypocritical assholes.
 
2011-08-01 12:35:39 AM

Agent Nick Fury:

Good Lord, a can of soda?

You must be scarred for life!


profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2011-08-01 12:36:08 AM

ChadM89: It was common in earlier world wars, for example, to "carpet bomb" the enemy. This practice targeted things like entire towns. Those towns would contain strategic military targets, but like any town would also contain civilian populations. The whole damn thing would just get plowed with hundreds or thousands of bombs.


In all fairness, in WWII when everyone was carpet-bombing each other, smart bombs hadn't been invented yet and pinpoint targeting required getting so low your air force would lose pilots so fast you couldn't take the risk.

Actually, besides WWII, were there any other large scale military operations that used carpet bombing as a tactic?
 
2011-08-01 12:36:08 AM
Muslim:Islamist::Christian:__________

discuss.

/Zionist? if so, how does that fit in with right-wing, sometimes neofascist ideology? I submit to you that it doesn't which is why it's a blank space.
//I'd also submit that Zionism -- wanting some shiatty Jewish state in some shiat area on the Mediterranean, does not compare with Islamism -- global Islamic "political unity"
 
2011-08-01 12:36:26 AM

ChadM89: simplicimus: And what part of targeting non-combatants is not terrorism?

You're not arguing actions here, really, you're arguing semantics.

It was common in earlier world wars, for example, to "carpet bomb" the enemy. This practice targeted things like entire towns. Those towns would contain strategic military targets, but like any town would also contain civilian populations. The whole damn thing would just get plowed with hundreds or thousands of bombs. Part of the stated strategy was to demoralize the enemy and weaken his resolve to further the war, with full acknowledgement that killing civilians en masse was part and parcel of that strategy.

It was called "warfare", not "terrorism".

The definition(s) of the word "terrorism" has been in flux, especially since 9/11.

There are a lot of things that are and have historically been considered "warfare" that some people may, today, re-classify as terrorism. Even the nuclear attacks on Japan were just considered a matter of warfare, even though there was a massive loss of civilian life and despite the fact that terrifying the japanese into surrender was a stated purpose of the bombings. It was also, correctly, determined that those actions actually saved a great deal of lives by ending the war.

These issues are complex and difficult to pigeonhole neatly into categories. War is ugly and it always will be ugly, and the struggle to define and understand it will always be difficult.


Semantically, I am dealing with the loss of the word "civilian" in any context.
 
2011-08-01 12:37:11 AM

moothemagiccow: Agent Nick Fury:

Good Lord, a can of soda?

You must be scarred for life!

[profile.ak.fbcdn.net image 180x136]


Time to take out the trash!
 
2011-08-01 12:39:38 AM

Lsherm: thatboyoverthere: However there was no farking excuse to bomb Dresden. No excuse. No military targets, no factory's,

That's not entirely true. There were factories in the suburbs, they just weren't bombed because the targeting was in the city center. The city itself was the intersection for three important German rail lines, and those did count as a military target. Historical arguments about Dresden aren't that there weren't any military targets at all to be had, but that there weren't enough to justify the scale of the bombing, which was likely true.


And who knows what the Germans could make out of chinaware?
 
2011-08-01 12:41:30 AM

jaytkay: alltandubh: In any case, Communism still exists and is still killing

Sorry, your team is the biggest threat today. Conservatives are trying to drag us back to the Dark Ages. Teabaggers or Taliban,


Nice attempt at false equivalence there -- how many people have the Tea Party killed so far, O wise one?

whatever you call yourselves, you are fighting to make things worse for the rest of us.

Basically you want the word "conservative" to be synonymous with "asshole", which is intellectually dishonest and simple- minded. You're nothing more than a tribal partisan monkey flinging sh*t at anyone who disagrees with your opinions.
 
2011-08-01 12:41:43 AM
Anders was NOT a Christian!

He was a pro-Zionist nutjob who killed a bunch of anti-Israeli people on the anniversary of the King David Hotel bombing by Rahm Emanuel's father!

Report: Norwegian Murderer an Ardent Supporter of Israel

King David Hotel Bombing

Irgun Zvai Leumi
 
2011-08-01 12:46:36 AM

Agent Nick Fury: Smackledorfer: If religion never again takes credit as being responsible for good things people do, ill stop attempting to hold it accountable when murderers quote Scripture as reason for their killing.

And if a murderer quotes a movie you will stop going to movies?

The killer in Norway also played video games so I guess they are out.

Some read comic books so let's ban them also.

Some hear the neighbors dog talking to them so, again, no more pets.

Let the kids in Haiti starve because there hasn't been a natural disaster there in two years and the Catholic church is the only one who gives a fark when celebrities don't tell you to donate, right?


What the flying fark are you talking about?

I'm saying:if we are going to credit a Christian god with good deeds claimed to be done I'm his name, we must also credit the bad.

That has fuxk-all to do with me ceasing to play a video game because a killer played it. That might be the worst analogy I've ever seen on fark.
 
2011-08-01 12:46:38 AM

USP .45: for the Christian terrorist, what is a slogan equivalent to "allahu akbar" before detonating themselves or someone else?


www.captainsjournal.com
Soldiers from Delta Company, 1st Cavalry Division, 12th
Infantry Regiment, pray prior to a foot patrol in Khalis, Iraq.
(U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Andy Dunaway)


www.fhsclassmates.com
Prayer before battle

nobeliefs.com
A chaplain with the 7th Marine Regiment baptizes
a Marine at the Camp Ripper Chapel February 23, 2003
during Operation Enduring Freedom.
 
2011-08-01 12:48:49 AM

alltandubh: jaytkay: alltandubh: In any case, Communism still exists and is still killing

Sorry, your team is the biggest threat today. Conservatives are trying to drag us back to the Dark Ages. Teabaggers or Taliban,

Nice attempt at false equivalence there -- how many people have the Tea Party killed so far, O wise one?



Are you saying the teabaggers are not conservatives? The Taliban is not conservative?
 
2011-08-01 12:49:31 AM

Agent Nick Fury: And seriously, fetus-worshippers?

Regardless of your stance on abortion how do you come up with names like that?


These nutbags are obsessed with fetuses. They march around carrying huge signs with pictures of aborted fetuses. They often wear "fetus feet" pins and t-shirts.

Randall Terry, the founder of Operation Rescue, who keeps an aborted fetus in a jar, is running for President next year. "He plans to publicize his campaign by, among other things, running ads during next year's Superbowl showing photos of dismembered fetuses (new window)." He's also a Teabagger (what a surprise...not).
 
2011-08-01 12:50:35 AM

Lsherm: In all fairness, in WWII when everyone was carpet-bombing each other, smart bombs hadn't been invented yet and pinpoint targeting required getting so low your air force would lose pilots so fast you couldn't take the risk.


True. But it wasn't a case where they were telling their pilots, "The bombs are dumb, so we have to drop a lot of them. Try your best to only hit the munitions factory."

They were stating from the get-go that their intention was to wipe out entire towns, including the civilian populations, specifically to acheive demoralization.

Lsherm: Actually, besides WWII, were there any other large scale military operations that used carpet bombing as a tactic?


Though the practice didn't destroy any large cities, there was a lot of area bombing in Korea and Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands of tons of napalm was dropped in saturation drops by B-52s.
 
2011-08-01 12:51:39 AM
Basically, this is another Rorschach thread that mainly shows how farked up and delusional most people on FARK, and IRL are.
 
2011-08-01 12:54:53 AM

jaytkay: Are you saying the teabaggers are not conservatives? The Taliban is not conservative?


If they are both "conservative", why would Tea Party members* find the governing philosophy of the Taliban utterly repugnant? I'm reminded of the time during the Cold War when the New York Times would claim that the "conservative" Reagan was at loggerheads with the "conservatives" in the Kremlin -- I mean really, how contradictory can you get? If they were all conservatives they would have been on the best of terms about everything.

/*the word "teabagger" is an idiotic anti- gay slur, by the way
 
2011-08-01 12:55:32 AM

RoyBatty: Basically, this is another Rorschach thread that mainly shows how farked up and delusional most people on FARK, and IRL are.


No way, I'm sure it will be just as rational and sane as all the other threads touching on this subject.
 
2011-08-01 12:58:08 AM

hardinparamedic: *yawn* Christian Terrorism in the United States is nothing new. Tim McVeigh waves hi from hell.


That's what the government wants you to think. He was just a patsy. So it's newer than one would think.
 
2011-08-01 12:58:48 AM

jaytkay: USP .45: for the Christian terrorist, what is a slogan equivalent to "allahu akbar" before detonating themselves or someone else?

[www.captainsjournal.com image 640x425]
Soldiers from Delta Company, 1st Cavalry Division, 12th
Infantry Regiment, pray prior to a foot patrol in Khalis, Iraq.
(U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Andy Dunaway)

[www.fhsclassmates.com image 302x387]
Prayer before battle

[nobeliefs.com image 400x491]
A chaplain with the 7th Marine Regiment baptizes
a Marine at the Camp Ripper Chapel February 23, 2003
during Operation Enduring Freedom.


so, you very clearly just equated al Qaeda attacks with US servicemen in uniform performing the mission at hand.

I already know who you voted for.
 
2011-08-01 01:00:33 AM

alltandubh: /*the word "teabagger" is an idiotic anti- gay slur, by the way


i.ytimg.com (new window)
 
2011-08-01 01:01:12 AM

RoyBatty: Basically, this is another Rorschach thread that mainly shows how farked up and delusional most people on FARK, and IRL are.


Wait, this is turning into another Watchmen thread?
 
2011-08-01 01:02:20 AM

hardinparamedic: *yawn* Christian Terrorism in the United States is nothing new. Tim McVeigh waves hi from hell.


I don't remember McVeigh saying anything about being a Christian. He never said it was a driving force either. I think he actually said he was raised Catholic but became agnostic.
 
2011-08-01 01:02:54 AM

USP .45: so, you very clearly just equated al Qaeda attacks with US servicemen in uniform performing the mission at hand.


No, I gave you the requested examples of people publicly proclaiming the are doing god's work by killing other people.

Just because they are "our" people doesn't make it any less fuqed up.
 
2011-08-01 01:05:59 AM

Lorelle: He plans to publicize his campaign by, among other things, running ads during next year's Superbowl showing photos of dismembered fetuses


Righto, Mr. Munchausen. Between Doritos and Budweiser, just before halftime? I see no issues with that. We and our affiliates are behind you 100%.

Go Broncos!
 
2011-08-01 01:08:13 AM

simplicimus: Semantically, I am dealing with the loss of the word "civilian" in any context.


But that's just it. "Civilians", "non-combatants", whatever you want to call them, have always been an issue in waging wars. People have always understood that targeting them is a pretty lousy thing to do. Ideally you would just have the military fighting the other side's military out in otherwise-unoccupied theater of war. Then we get to feel good that no "innocent" people got hurt.

But in war, there's always arguments used to justify why those people aren't so innocent after all. The military of a country, after all, is but an armed force representing those people. The people in uniform are just those people, from that society, chosen to fight the war on their behalf. So really, should those "civilians" be so off-limits as a target? What about civilians that work in factories that produce implements of war? What about civilians that shelter troops, or give aid to covert agents, that sort of thing? Are they still so innocent, even though they aren't, strictly speaking, combatants? It's exactly these kinds of arguments which have been used throughout the history of warfare.

And who's to say they're entirely incorrect? As I was saying before, there's an awful lot of grey area in this kind of stuff and many perspectives that one can approach the concepts from.

Of course, we do now have a great deal of codified international law which is supposed to define and regulate these things. But in their application and practice, those grey areas make it difficult to always follow those laws. Personally, as long as we've agreed to and signed on to abide by those laws, then I think we should do our utmost best to do so. But I recognize that it's not always so black and white.
 
2011-08-01 01:08:27 AM
tatsuma

not only are you a racist fark, but you're a "willing to fellate a christian terrorist because he supports my ethnic groups worst policies" racist fark


i wonder how many people you've turned into anti-semites with your radicial semite-supremacist garbage

grow the fark up you piece of shiat.
 
2011-08-01 01:08:56 AM

jaytkay: USP .45: so, you very clearly just equated al Qaeda attacks with US servicemen in uniform performing the mission at hand.

No, I gave you the requested examples of people publicly proclaiming the are doing god's work by killing other people.

Just because they are "our" people doesn't make it any less fuqed up.


Yep, my bible says turn the other cheek, then kill the mofo.
 
2011-08-01 01:10:08 AM

Kazan: tatsuma

not only are you a racist fark, but you're a "willing to fellate a christian terrorist because he supports my ethnic groups worst policies" racist fark



You seriously think that's what he meant? You need more reading lessons. And less caffeine.
 
2011-08-01 01:14:45 AM

USP .45: for the Christian terrorist, what is a slogan equivalent to "allahu akbar" before detonating themselves or someone else?


Bit wordier - but:

We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.
 
2011-08-01 01:15:28 AM
I believe this incident has about about a 99% chance of being a false flag attack to demonize and demoralize the European nationalist movements. On the other hand, if you like to believe evil fairy tales, you can believe that the first European nationalist to take action against the anti-European genocide in Europe just happened to be a guy murdering about a hundred European children.
 
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