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(Some Atheist)   Atheist goes on Fox News to voice his opposition to the Ground Zero cross. Is later met with calm, reasonable debate. Just kidding, he's getting flooded with death threats   ( atheists.org) divider line
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2011-07-30 12:59:41 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Back during the debate over the Ground Zero Victory Mosque


YOU CAN BUILD A
CHURCH NEXT TO A YOUTH CAMP
WHEN WE CAN BUILD A
MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO

\o/
|
/\

 
2011-07-30 12:59:41 PM  
As someone who follows the teachings of the exalted FSM, I don't personally have an issue with a cross at Ground Zero (provided it's done respectfully) or any other religious symbol. I can't imagine anyone would go on Fox News with that opinion and expect an overall positive reaction. Having said that, death threats, etc. aren't excusable.
 
2011-07-30 01:00:44 PM  

Mugato: The atheist was kind of a douchebag for whining about the cross but it's nothing compared to the hypocrital psychopaths that threatened him and made the comments in the comment section of TFA.


This.
 
2011-07-30 01:04:41 PM  
How about a Ground Zero star? Or perhaps fifty of them? Maybe emblazoned on a large, flappy cloth?
 
2011-07-30 01:06:12 PM  
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2011-07-30 01:07:00 PM  

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Eh, true. I could see that. Still strikes me as an odd thing to be clannish around though.


I don't see why it should seem odd. I mean, people are clannish over all kinds of identity markers that don't directly involve beliefs. Race/ethnicity and sexual orientation, for example. All you really need is a common identity marker that is meaningful for the people in some way.
 
2011-07-30 01:07:23 PM  
I see people using freedom of expression to defend their beliefs. You are not qualified to just these posts as over reactions unless you understand the profound insult Mr. Scott is to the faith of the vast majority of Americans.

/God Bless America.
 
2011-07-30 01:08:01 PM  
As an apatheist:

Either include ALL religious symbols in a monument or NONE.
 
2011-07-30 01:08:05 PM  

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Mugato: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: . I mean there's Atheist forums, Atheist meetings, Atheism clubs, etc. It just seems so....bizarre.

People's natural need to be clannish doesn't disappear just because they don't believe in God.

Obviously, but being clannish usually involves a common interest or belief. How does one be clannish around a lack of something? I mean why not just join a Philosophy club or take up a hobby like knitting or something.


But atheists do have a common interest or belief? I never really understood the point of this argument because it assumes that an Atheist Club solely talks about Atheism, as if a Christian Club does nothing but sit around and talk about God all day, when in fact most of them are just a group of people with like minded thoughts doing activities together.

I personally won't join one because I have no issue being around people with different opinions than myself (as long as they are not calling for my death like the bigots in the article) but it's completely understandable why the groups exist.
 
2011-07-30 01:09:27 PM  

Ringshadow: As an apatheist:

Either include ALL religious symbols in a monument or NONE.


Should word it a bit differently: either exclude ALL religious symbols in a monument or NONE.
 
2011-07-30 01:09:41 PM  

CanisNoir: bla bla bla



Some Atheist didn't want a cross at ground zero - not a good guy.

Some "Christians" wanted said Atheist to be killed for his heresy - also not good guys.

So you see class, they are both bad guys, so vote Jesus.
 
2011-07-30 01:12:16 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: As someone who follows the teachings of the exalted FSM, I don't personally have an issue with a cross at Ground Zero (provided it's done respectfully) or any other religious symbol. I can't imagine anyone would go on Fox News with that opinion and expect an overall positive reaction. Having said that, death threats, etc. aren't excusable.


R'amen.
 
2011-07-30 01:13:30 PM  
atheists.org

Ladies and gentlemen.. The typical American Christian.
 
2011-07-30 01:15:03 PM  

gameshowhost:
/always be sure to leave out the quote of your comment when responding
//that way you can make it look like you haven't dodged a germane question


It wasn't a germane question, in fact it has absolutely nothing to do with this story at all. This is about someone not wanting a cross displayed in a museum because they receive some of their funding from the Government, despite the fact that the Cross is part of the 9/11 rubble being displayed in an exhibit about 9/11. I guess a cross is only okay to display in a Museum funded by the Government, if it's covered in shait or dipped in urine.

Next time ask a question that has relevance to the subject and I'll answer it.
 
2011-07-30 01:17:08 PM  
I remember when everyone stood around in awe of that cross-shaped piece of wreckage. As I recall, most atheists and skeptics just sort of rolled our eyes, and said "look, you morons - the buildings were composed of a rectilinear lattice. We'd be more surprised not to find cross-shaped pieces."
As far as I'm concerned, that's still the case, and it's just a random piece of junk. It has value to the museum in that it became something of a symbol for people to rally around, even if I personally think these people are nuts.
 
2011-07-30 01:17:12 PM  
atheists.org


Interesting tactic. Thanks to how ambiguous it is - it actually applies to me. I don't love Jesus and I would find it hard to love any inanimate object like a cross. So since I don't share her "love" - she hopes someone rapes me. Does she think that rape is going to change my mind, or is her rape fantasy simply punitive?
 
2011-07-30 01:17:53 PM  
Wow.

Sindy Clock: Stupid atheists, i hope god kills them all.

Sindy Clock: I love jesus, and the cross and if you dont, I hope someone rapes you.

I thought I was unable to be shocked by the derp from Christians like this. Way to step up the game.
 
2011-07-30 01:18:26 PM  

RandomExcess: I see people using freedom of expression to defend their beliefs. You are not qualified to just these posts as over reactions unless you understand the profound insult Mr. Scott is to the faith of the vast majority of Americans.

/God Bless America.


The faith of many Americans is insultingly stupid to many atheists.
And yet, I'm not threatening to kill them.
Insulting someone's faith warrants death threats? I suppose telling a five year old Santa Claus isn't real should be punishable by death too?
 
2011-07-30 01:20:14 PM  
If they are threatening to kill him they are not actually Christians. Only Muslims get violent over religion.

melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-07-30 01:20:51 PM  
Because atheists never wish the same about Christians, amiright?
 
2011-07-30 01:20:58 PM  
I love how these people have nothing better to do than to strip Christianity from this country. Nobody is allowed to mention God anymore for fear of being sued.
 
2011-07-30 01:21:17 PM  

Jamespoon: Do you think when Jesus comes back he's gonna want to see a farking cross?


That's awesome.

I had not heard that before.
 
2011-07-30 01:21:33 PM  

Sanic123: Wow.

Sindy Clock: Stupid atheists, i hope god kills them all.

Sindy Clock: I love jesus, and the cross and if you dont, I hope someone rapes you.

I thought I was unable to be shocked by the derp from Christians like this. Way to step up the game.


I'm pretty sure that's a troll or a satirist guys.
 
2011-07-30 01:21:39 PM  

xaveth: Because atheists never wish the same about Christians, amiright?


I think they're gullible and misguided, but I don't wish death upon them.
 
2011-07-30 01:21:58 PM  

Unright: [atheists.org image 606x85]

Ladies and gentlemen.. The typical American Christian.


Easily the most vile out of the lot. While the rest are mostly anti-atheist, that one is not only offensive to every non-christian but also rape victims. Bonus points for being from a female apparently in her mid 20s.
 
2011-07-30 01:22:09 PM  

ShamWowofDamocles: or is her rape fantasy simply punitive?


Bingo.

It's the desire to inflict suffering for questioning rather than reinforcing their world view.
 
2011-07-30 01:24:36 PM  
Look, just worship my God of Peace as the One True Religion or you're going to hell and if you're going to hell anyway, you can't really expect me to care if you get killed for not worshiping the right God.

It's like a holy protection racket.
 
2011-07-30 01:24:40 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: ShamWowofDamocles: or is her rape fantasy simply punitive?

Bingo.

It's the desire to inflict suffering for questioning rather than reinforcing their world view.


♫ The Inquisition!
(let's begin!)
The Inquisition!
(look out, sin!)...♫
 
2011-07-30 01:25:15 PM  
Greater love hath no man than to derp and then herpaderp.
 
2011-07-30 01:25:37 PM  
Luckily for the Atheists, this cross is the ONLY religious symbol found in ANY government funded museum.

Nope, not a single religious based painting in any museums. Not. A. One.
 
2011-07-30 01:27:48 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: ShamWowofDamocles: or is her rape fantasy simply punitive?

Bingo.

It's the desire to inflict suffering for questioning rather than reinforcing their world view.


I'm no christian scholar (see...you can type those words consecutively without your keyboard mocking you), but wouldn't the desire to inflict suffering in this situation be contrary to one (or possibly more) of the major tenets of the very faith she is poorly defending?
 
2011-07-30 01:29:08 PM  

Kibbler: The cross should be in the form of two huge machines guns, made in solid gold, and covered in neon signs with ads for Las Vegas and Viagra and ABC's Newest Smash Hit Sitcom.


That's the spirit!

/zeitgeist
//bless you
///no, I said zeitgeist!
 
2011-07-30 01:29:12 PM  
atheists.org

Whoaaaa there! Guess nobody told her Christians can only rape little boys.

*rimshot*
 
2011-07-30 01:30:01 PM  

Sanic123: Wow.

Sindy Clock: Stupid atheists, i hope god kills them all.

Sindy Clock: I love jesus, and the cross and if you dont, I hope someone rapes you.

I thought I was unable to be shocked by the derp from Christians like this. Way to step up the game.


And she's wearing a cap and gown. Must be a Bob Jones graduate.
 
2011-07-30 01:30:50 PM  

ACallForPeace: RandomExcess: I see people using freedom of expression to defend their beliefs. You are not qualified to just these posts as over reactions unless you understand the profound insult Mr. Scott is to the faith of the vast majority of Americans.

/God Bless America.

The faith of many Americans is insultingly stupid to many atheists.
And yet, I'm not threatening to kill them.
Insulting someone's faith warrants death threats? I suppose telling a five year old Santa Claus isn't real should be punishable by death too?


Santa Claus? really? That is your "go to" argument? Non-believers can be so wrapped up in their "logic" and "reason" they lack any empathy or love. 99% of human experience is beyond the reach of your rigid world view. You state that Faith is insultingly stupid but fail to recognize that it is Faith which permits us to endure the harshness of this life and appreciate the perfect beauty of this world.

I have no idea how non-believers make it day to having to interact with thinking, feeling people.
 
2011-07-30 01:31:01 PM  

oldebayer: Nothing says "I'm a good, God-fearing Christian" better than a death threat


That's just to make the god-less heathens "God-fearing" as well
 
2011-07-30 01:35:03 PM  
You can really see the love of Christ shining through his followers.
 
2011-07-30 01:35:07 PM  
As an atheist, I, too, once thought that we should make efforts to increase scientific literacy, do away with outdated moral codes, and mitigate the power that religious belief has over politics in the United States.

However, based on my reading and observations, I have recently come to a very different conclusion: not everyone possesses the sheer cognitive capacity to be an atheist. I began to wonder what would happen to all of those people who are only faithful out of fear of the threat of eternal torment (and they do exist, I assure you), and I realized that religion is probably the best tool we have to keep our idiotic countrymen and their broken society operating at least somewhat smoothly.

It sucks, but there you have it. Ask yourself if you really want to totally unfetter your fellow asshole citizens from the constraints of their Bronze Age moralities. Their ignorant superstitions just might be the only thing keeping them halfway decent.
 
2011-07-30 01:35:15 PM  

RandomExcess: Non-believers can be so wrapped up in their "logic" and "reason" they lack any empathy or love.


Yeah. Unlike those Christians who send death threats with so much empathy and love.

RandomExcess: 99% of human experience is beyond the reach of your rigid world view.


This is a nonsensical statement.

RandomExcess: You state that Faith is insultingly stupid but fail to recognize that it is Faith which permits us to endure the harshness of this life and appreciate the perfect beauty of this world.


More nonsensical statements.

RandomExcess: I have no idea how non-believers make it day to having to interact with thinking, feeling people.


Because they are thinking, feeling people.
 
2011-07-30 01:35:40 PM  

serial_crusher: Ok, this link is seriously lacking details about what precisely the guy said that they were replying to, so I'll just ask how objecting to a cross at ground zero is any different from objecting to a mosque at ground zero.


You might have a point if anyone was planning to build a mosque at Ground Zero.
 
2011-07-30 01:35:42 PM  

CanisNoir: Oh and just to make things clear, this is what the douchebag is suing over:

In the days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, some workers and mourners at the World Trade Center site seized upon a cross-shaped steel beam found amid the rubble as a symbol of faith and hope.
For the past five years, the 17-foot-tall cross was displayed outside a nearby Catholic church. On Saturday it was moved again, to the site of the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, where it is to be in the permanent collection. But the move quickly provoked a lawsuit from American Atheists, a nonprofit group based in New Jersey. It argued that because the cross is a religious symbol of Christianity and the museum is partly government financed and is on government property, the cross's inclusion in the museum violates the United States Constitution and state civil rights law.


So now maybe we can stop the whole stupid "Ground Zero Mosque" false dichotomy.

/Again, Freedom *of* not Freedom *from*


I was almost sympathetic to the argument for the cross, even though it seems a bit strange to put such an obvious religious symbol in a museum. For what reason? To see the effects of 9/11 on the building material of the towers? Makes no sense to me.

But then when you point out that the cross was already perfectly placed at the Catholic church, so it could be seen by anyone who wished to see it, and that the museum not only gets government funding, but is on government land as well? Sounds like a little bit of Christian privelege to me.

In the end, I feel sorry for any of the families of the victims of 9/11 who aren't Christian. Seems they're being left out.
 
2011-07-30 01:36:01 PM  
You've got to be pretty stupid to send anyone death threats these days, the threat alone is enough to land you in the back of a police car.
Then again, you've got to be pretty stupid to think that a religious symbol belongs on a national monument of any sort.
Then again, you've got to be pretty stupid to think there's a god.
 
2011-07-30 01:36:25 PM  

RandomExcess: ACallForPeace: RandomExcess: I see people using freedom of expression to defend their beliefs. You are not qualified to just these posts as over reactions unless you understand the profound insult Mr. Scott is to the faith of the vast majority of Americans.

/God Bless America.

The faith of many Americans is insultingly stupid to many atheists.
And yet, I'm not threatening to kill them.
Insulting someone's faith warrants death threats? I suppose telling a five year old Santa Claus isn't real should be punishable by death too?

Santa Claus? really? That is your "go to" argument? Non-believers can be so wrapped up in their "logic" and "reason" they lack any empathy or love. 99% of human experience is beyond the reach of your rigid world view. You state that Faith is insultingly stupid but fail to recognize that it is Faith which permits us to endure the harshness of this life and appreciate the perfect beauty of this world.

I have no idea how non-believers make it day to having to interact with thinking, feeling people.


Faith that eventually religion will be seen as the folly that it is. Oh, and belief that without the balkanizing effect of religion, people generally tend to get along.
 
2011-07-30 01:38:20 PM  

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: So prepare for incoming CSB.....


Prepare for my favorited list.
 
2011-07-30 01:40:00 PM  

FredaDeStilleto: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude:
Nicely done.
Religion has always held an attraction for some of the most psychopathic individuals that have ever walked the earth so there's no surprise here that the guy received death threats after his interview. Because so few religious leaders have spoken out against this very kind of behavior they have, in effect, condoned it. If this is the "God" they represent, then it's no mystery that so many sane people have decided to forgo having this "God" in their lives.


Hear, hear. I've had some exposure to, um, psychopathic individuals. I've talked to many others who've been around them, since we tend to find each other to say, "What the fark happened here?" Psychos very often claim to be Christians. Often they're regular church-goers.

You want to beat and terrorize your family, and then claim that the Bible wants it that way? There's a church for that.
You want to put on a public face of pious goodness while putting a knife in the back of everyone who gets in your way? Just join a church.
You want to keep your womenfolk in a state of perpetual servitude and pregnancy? oh, there's LOTS of churches for that.

Even if I'd ever had any religious beliefs, they're long gone now, after I've seen how religion is used as a mask for some really scary people. Psychos have no problem adopting one identity after another to get what they want, and most of them are aware that all they have to do is say that "I go to church" and they'll get a free pass from most of the ignorant people of the world.

/One of the worst psychos I know of personally is a youth counselor at his church. He must be looking for more trim, since his four girls grew up and he doesn't like them after they hit puberty. He is aided and abetted by the entire "Christian" community where he lives, who all believe that a "Christian" just isn't capable of incest, no matter what his daughters say. They need to practice "forgiveness" and "respect their father."
 
2011-07-30 01:40:31 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Faith that eventually religion will be seen as the folly that it is. Oh, and belief that without the balkanizing effect of religion, people generally tend to get along.


As an atheist, I would like a less religious country.
However, I don't entertain any delusion that if religion went away that balkanization would go away.
People will just pick something else to fight over.
 
2011-07-30 01:40:32 PM  
The thread where Atheists get in a circle jerk about how much more intellectual they are, how they know everything.
 
2011-07-30 01:41:57 PM  

Penman: The thread where Atheists get in a circle jerk about how much more intellectual they are, how they know everything.


You sound insecure about your beliefs.
 
2011-07-30 01:43:16 PM  
This is actually a recent exchange from my Facebook page. I live in the Bible belt so you have to understand, within that last month I'd had a number of uncomfortable experiences with Conservative Christians that had already put me deeply in the defensive.

Jennifer - the girl in question - is actually fairly hot and was cool to hang out with and everything, but she re-married, moved to rural Indiana, popped out a kid and found Jesus in the process and now she spews religious pablum like the one in the exchange.

She did apologize to me via text, but to be honest, the damage has been done.

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2011-07-30 01:44:11 PM  

JRoo: Penman: The thread where Atheists get in a circle jerk about how much more intellectual they are, how they know everything.

You sound insecure about your beliefs.


No, just sick of these people trying to take God out of America. No wonder things are going so badly.
 
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