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2011-07-27 02:45:13 PM
It's sad, and terrifying for our ability to survive as a nation, reading the comments on that article and seeing which have been voted way up and which have been voted way down.

Lots of really stupid people out there.
 
2011-07-27 02:47:10 PM

raygundan: crazyeddie: So the intelligent Scientists design and create something, and the virus doesn't evolve? How do you explain that, Darwinists?

It can (and will) still evolve. And it's not *impossible* for it to find a way around this, either. But the nucleoprotein this targets is essential to the viruses-- without it, their genome is unstable, and they simply don't work anymore.


Wow, you sound like someone who actually knows something about something, unlike ol' crazybowels who fills his diaper when confronted with each new scientific achievement.
 
2011-07-27 02:47:18 PM

I_C_Weener: This sounds familiar...

[I Am Legend i586.photobucket.com image 200x300]


/shakes tiny fist
 
2011-07-27 02:47:52 PM
Well, THIS ought to drive the Whale.to people NUTS .. or .. more nuts tha usual, atleast.
 
2011-07-27 02:49:50 PM
scifimafia.com

I wonder if they will get the contract.

/will wait to see what happens to the dupes.
 
2011-07-27 02:59:40 PM
/b>

I have had "the flu" exactly once. This year, in fact. Three days of bone chilling 102-103 F fevers. So weak I nearly pissed myself more than once, when I hadn't sweated all the fluids out of my body, because it hurt too much too move. I hurt so bad the bottoms of my feet ached. My bones felt like someone had replaced them with bags of ground limestone, my eyes with ground glass. My fever induced confusion was so bad at one point a friend called and apparently I talked to her. I don't remember. She said I didn't make any sense, enough that she almost called another friend to come check on me, she thought I was hallucinating. I could have been, I don't know. When I came to after those three days, four more days of weak as a newborn kitten. Work was out of the question for a week, and I just sit at a desk.

The flu is not a stuffy nose. The flu is some serious shiat.
 
2011-07-27 02:59:48 PM

reklamfox: I ended up in the hospital for a week with pneumonia. And since I have no insurance sadly I ended up costing us all money. Sorry guys. Maybe this vaccine will help cut down on the cost of people like myself who catch the flu! I wouldn't wish that hell on anyone.


Hmm... If only there was some system by which everyone paid into one big health care plan through some sort of public revenue collection system... and it would work is such a way that if you were out of a job or in school you don't have to pay...
 
2011-07-27 02:59:51 PM

Anastacya: I have Lupus. My immune system went the way of the Dodo a couple years ago. In fact, I am facing surgery to get rid of MRSA (cultured, confirmed, and WILL NOT GO AWAY after 5 rounds of antibiotics; and the kicker? I am allergic to the first-line used to get rid of recurrent cases... yay me!). Someone could cough two counties over from TB and I guarantee that I will contract it within the week.

That being said, I have never had the flu. I still get a flu shot every year, but even growing up I never had it. Now, sinusitis? That's another horror story.

/sinus congestion? UGGGGGGH


www.myconfinedspace.com

/obligatory
 
2011-07-27 03:03:51 PM
I think this story needs several booster shots.

/In other words, ladies and germs, this is a repeat
 
2011-07-27 03:04:29 PM

jigger: Scientists are close to developing a one time flu shot that protects from all strains...

by killing you.


What? No, it's fine. We've tested it.
t0.gstatic.com
 
2011-07-27 03:08:17 PM

Mugato: Zombie/Vampire creating drugs are not the answer.


Vaccines aren't drugs.
 
2011-07-27 03:12:40 PM

royone: jigger: Scientists are close to developing a one time flu shot that protects from all strains...

by killing you.

What? No, it's fine. We've tested it.
[t0.gstatic.com image 195x258]


nice !!
 
2011-07-27 03:17:48 PM
mikebdoss: PsiChi: I don't do flu shots. The last time I got the flu - about six years ago - it lasted less than 24 hours.

Then you most likely didn't have the flu. You had food poisoning or some other kind of virus.


I think it was the flu. It came on suddenly, at work, and I started getting chills. IIRC, I had a temperature at one point of around 105. Felt very tired, and basically left the store where I'd gone to buy a thermometer, and went home to bed, as I could barely stand up.

Here are the syptoms of the flu, according to the CDC:

"Influenza Symptoms"

"Influenza (also known as the flu) is a contagious respiratory illness caused by flu viruses. It can cause mild to severe illness, and at times can lead to death. The flu is different from a cold. The flu usually comes on suddenly. People who have the flu often feel some or all of these symptoms:

•Fever* or feeling feverish/chills
•Cough
•Sore throat
•Runny or stuffy nose
•Muscle or body aches
•Headaches
•Fatigue (tiredness)
•Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults.
* It's important to note that not everyone with flu will have a fever."

Link (new window)
 
2011-07-27 03:19:00 PM

lennavan: Grass Hopper: FTA: Amid budget debates now underway in Washington, D.C. that could also trim NIH's $31billion budget, he made the case for research investments that improve the nation's health.

So they are going to cut the budget for NIH research, and suddenly a long term panflu vaccine is in the offing.

Sure. Sure.

I think you would be shocked at the quality and quantity of grants that get axed. Only around the top 10% of grants get funded. It's not just flu vaccine development that's in the offing, its cancer drugs and alzheimers drugs and HIV vaccines/drugs and so on.

Keep that number in mind. $31 Billion. That's all. Just remember that one fact, especially in when paying attention in politics. See what kind of numbers they throw around when we're talking about a war abroad, some fighter jet engines or tax cuts for oil companies. Just remember one thing - The current total NIH budget is $31 Billion.


Seconded. Despite the comment previously, there's no "suddenly" about it, this is work that has been gaining steam for the last couple of years. We've been getting a better and better understanding of pieces of the flu that we can target and how they vary with different strains, and now that knowledge is being brought to bear. A similar thing is happening with HIV, though it is much, much harder to actually do anything with it yet.

Another thing, to all of the folks claiming that 1) they had the flu but it wasn't severe, 2) you have gotten over it because of nutrition/supplements and 3) you don't need big Pharma or Rumsfeld to push their unnatural chemicals on you -
you probably didn't, supplements don't do shiat, and its science and its the ONLY thing that we have going for us. If you want to go back to the days where a simple pin prick could lead to severe, always fatal staph infection that covered half your face, or where more than half of your eight children wouldn't survive their first winter because of any one of a dozen or more death sentences then go ahead. You can use all the damned hippy vegan-organic-raw wheatgrass shakes and colon irrigations you want. I prefer actual science.
 
2011-07-27 03:24:11 PM
royone, I laughed at that way more than I had any right to, thank you.


This is an interesting development, and while it would be nice I've seen way too many movies to think that this can end in any other way than the death of all mankind.
 
2011-07-27 03:32:35 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: That being said, I have never had the flu. I still get a flu shot every year, but even growing up I never had it. Now, sinusitis? That's another horror story.

/sinus congestion? UGGGGGGH


It's the worst, and one reason I avoid junk food. I have found that it is a quick way to get sick. Also, got rid of long-standing asthma by stopping dairy products. Milk and the like are mucous producing, at least for a certain portion of the population.

Phlegm at 11:00.
 
2011-07-27 03:34:18 PM

Mugato: I had the flu once when I was a kid. Since then, ... drugs are not the answer.


You miss the point. A vaccine will do for people what your exposure to the flu did for you.
 
2011-07-27 03:37:06 PM

struct: Seconded. Despite the comment previously, there's no "suddenly" about it, this is work that has been gaining steam for the last couple of years (Which no-one ever heard about until our budget was threatened). We've been getting a better and better understanding of pieces of the flu that we can target and how they vary with different strains, and now that knowledge is being brought to bear (in a few years, but trust us, it's coming. Just keep paying). A similar thing is happening with HIV, though it is much, much harder to actually do anything with it yet. (So a lot more years and a lot more money)

Another thing, to all of the folks claiming that 1) they had the flu but it wasn't severe, 2) you have gotten over it because of nutrition/supplements and 3) you don't need big Pharma or Rumsfeld to push their unnatural chemicals on you -
you probably didn't (Thanks for the diagnosis, doc), supplements don't do shiat (our pills are much better than their pills), and its science (all hail the mighty god science) and its the ONLY thing that we have going for us (apart from natural immunities). If you want to go back to the days where a simple pin prick could lead to severe, always fatal staph infection (unlike the superbug infections they can lead to now) that covered half your face, or where more than half of your eight children wouldn't survive their first winter because of any one of a dozen or more death sentences (which thankfully Pharma will help us avoid as long as we can pay for them) then go ahead. You can use all the damned hippy vegan-organic-raw wheatgrass shakes and colon irrigations you want (Damn those hippies). I prefer actual science (Amen).

 
2011-07-27 03:37:30 PM

struct: Another thing, to all of the folks claiming that 1) they had the flu but it wasn't severe, 2) you have gotten over it because of nutrition/supplements and 3) you don't need big Pharma or Rumsfeld to push their unnatural chemicals on you -
you probably didn't, supplements don't do shiat, and its science and its the ONLY thing that we have going for us. If you want to go back to the days where a simple pin prick could lead to severe, always fatal staph infection that covered half your face, or where more than half of your eight children wouldn't survive their first winter because of any one of a dozen or more death sentences then go ahead. You can use all the damned hippy vegan-organic-raw wheatgrass shakes and colon irrigations you want. I prefer actual science.


imgs.xkcd.com (new window)

//because one XKCD reference wasn't enough.
 
2011-07-27 03:37:38 PM

Edwardo17: Jenny McCarthy's head has asploded

Oh god, if only.


Ditto. Got a good laugh out of Subby's headline.
 
2011-07-27 03:42:00 PM
Oh my god, that comments feed is depressing.

If it weren't for herd immunity, I wouldn't care.

I know this sounds a little dictatory, but if I ever ran this country, everyone would be required to actually understand science more than a 5th grader by the time they're in their 20s.

My brain hurts from all that stupid.
 
2011-07-27 03:45:01 PM

Grass Hopper: FTA: Amid budget debates now underway in Washington, D.C. that could also trim NIH's $31billion budget, he made the case for research investments that improve the nation's health.

So they are going to cut the budget for NIH research, and suddenly a long term panflu vaccine is in the offing.

Sure. Sure.


+1
 
2011-07-27 03:50:04 PM

mcwehrle: The flu is some serious shiat.


Had the flu once, as a child. Walking down the hall at school, i suddenly almost collapsed, then a wave of fever went over me. That was just the start of all the classic symptoms. Thought I was going to die.

I eagerly get the flu shot every year. Have been for decades. Never any side effects from the shot. I so happy. :)
 
2011-07-27 03:50:33 PM

HeadLikeOrange: Mugato: I had the flu once when I was a kid. Since then, never had the flu. Never had a cold.

I am assuming you don't have kids of your own?


LOL, so true. Kids are just little carriers. All kinds of diseases cling to em.
 
2011-07-27 03:50:38 PM

Mugato: Get an immune system. Zombie/Vampire creating drugs are not the answer.


You really have no clue how vaccines work, do you?
 
2011-07-27 03:56:45 PM

h2oincfs:
Also: "Five to ten years" in scientific-research-speak means, "We have some vague inkling of how this might work, but if we tell you otherwise, we'll lose our funding."


Not exactly. From the first time you approach the FDA with a new vaccine/drug to the time it's ready to be sold to consumers, the average time span is about 10 years, depending on the circumstances. There are fast tracks for critical things, such as H1N1 vaccines in the wake of last year's outbreak, but this is unusual and very strictly controlled.

/DNRTFA
//Could mean they won't have an actual product to show the FDA for 5-10, in which case disregard the above
 
2011-07-27 04:01:26 PM
annitabonghit: My money is on food poisoning.

I'm not an expert on food poisoning, but I wasn't nauseous at all. Have had mild food poisoning before, and it was not similar.

Cool name, brah.
 
2011-07-27 04:25:49 PM

twfeline: mcwehrle: The flu is some serious shiat.

Had the flu once, as a child. Walking down the hall at school, i suddenly almost collapsed, then a wave of fever went over me. That was just the start of all the classic symptoms. Thought I was going to die.

I eagerly get the flu shot every year. Have been for decades. Never any side effects from the shot. I so happy. :)


That was one of the very, very few weeks in my life that living alone truly truly sucked....

I used to have the shot every year. Missed the last two...my fault entirely, since I was laid off I couldn't get them at work for free anymore, and the first year I was stupid and didn't get it, the second year I was too broke/cheap to pay $30 for it (no insurance). I know that after years it probably wasn't, and I know that whatever shot I would have gotten would only have been good for a few strains, whatever was popular that year. But one can't help but wonder...

I vaguely remember being sick like that as a child, but kids are such little germ and virii incubators, who knows what that was.

/glad you have no flu
//don't want that shiat back EVER
///will get shot this year, youbetcherass!!!!
 
2011-07-27 04:29:16 PM

PsiChi: annitabonghit: My money is on food poisoning.

I'm not an expert on food poisoning, but I wasn't nauseous at all. Have had mild food poisoning before, and it was not similar.

Cool name, brah.


True... a lot of people with food poisoning are "firing out of both ends," so if you weren't having that problem..


I think it was the flu. It came on suddenly, at work, and I started getting chills. IIRC, I had a temperature at one point of around 105. Felt very tired, and basically left the store where I'd gone to buy a thermometer, and went home to bed, as I could barely stand up.


Who knows - chills and fever aren't particularly diagnostic - and without a complete history (which i wouldn't expect you to give anyways, this ain't a doctors office) or any type of diagnostic testing, it's kinda difficult and stupid to argue with you about what infectious organism may have taken up residence in you 6 years ago. Certainly could have been influenza, could have been some other virus, or who the fark knows.

All I can say is that influenza is serious threat to the health of several populations and the generation of a universal vaccine that provides long term protection will be a pivotal moment in public health history. Vaccines are not profit vehicles for pharmaceuticals because they provide long term protection - pharmaceuticals make their profit in continuing treatment of chronic/unpreventable disease.
 
2011-07-27 04:39:55 PM

PsiChi: I don't do flu shots. The last time I got the flu - about six years ago - it lasted less than 24 hours.

I eat a very natural diet, exercise, and take supplements as needed.


I eat a shiat diet, don't take supplements, almost never exercise and have an atrociously messed up immune system. I also never take the flu shot. Haven't had the flu in something like half a decade. It's called being lucky. Anecdotes mean jack squat. Many people aren't as lucky and a non-trivial number of them don't survive to play the game the next year.
 
2011-07-27 04:47:00 PM

Mugato: I had the flu once when I was a kid. Since then, never had the flu. Never had a cold. I work with people who are sick every other week. I use other people's computer keyboards, which are the filthiest things you can touch. And besides the occasional alcohol withdrawal, never sick. Get an immune system. Zombie/Vampire creating drugs are not the answer.


Although you're probably misleading yourself or talking shiat, people can't 'get an immune system'. Your comment is factually incorrect on many levels. I'm not even going to go into the complete lack of evidence for either zombies or vampires.
 
2011-07-27 04:47:09 PM
Rapidly mutating virus laughs at your universal flu shot.
 
2011-07-27 05:02:09 PM

Grass Hopper: struct: Seconded. Despite the comment previously, there's no "suddenly" about it, this is work that has been gaining steam for the last couple of years (Which no-one ever heard about until our budget was threatened).


Dude, just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean its not happening. You probably have no idea of the quantum physics behind how semiconductor band gaps work (though maybe you do), that doesn't mean that you can't surf the web on your laptop.

(our pills are much better than their pills), and its science (all hail the mighty god science)

So, the same tired science equals religion trope then? Oh, is it because you think supplement makers don't make money, or aren't trying to push treatments to gullible or desperate?

Link (new window)

At least one side has evidence. False equivalency is false.

and its the ONLY thing that we have going for us (apart from natural immunities).

Which fail. And which have failed for the millennia that saw massive suffering from uncurable disease before that.

If you want to go back to the days where a simple pin prick could lead to severe, always fatal staph infection (unlike the superbug infections they can lead to now)

The truth is the last century has seen a dramatic improvement in every facet of your life, and if the best you can come up with is superbugs, you do realize those came about because we were getting so good at treating them right? That its only a problem because our treatments have stopped working as well, but these altered bugs are usually less virile than wild-type would be if left untreated? You know, I would love to see what side anti-vaxers fall on during an epidemic, whether you would be on the side that tries herbs, colon cleanses, and prayer healing (whatever you believe in, I don't know, its all the same) or vaccines and antibiotics (i.e. things that work).
 
2011-07-27 05:02:11 PM

randomjsa: Rapidly mutating virus laughs at your universal flu shot.


It's not *impossible* for a flu virus to evolve a way around this shot, but it's substantially less likely. If this is the project I'm thinking of, what's targeted by this shot is a nucleoprotein that wraps the virus' RNA-- without this, it fails to function as a virus. So, unlike old-style viruses that sensitize the immune system to part of the viral coat, which can change with a simple, single mutation-- the only simple mutation available that gets the virus around the attack also makes it not work as a virus.

To make up a retarded analogy, it's like this:

Old vaccines are like telling the cops to look for a guy with red hair.
This vaccine is like telling the cops to look for a guy with a beating heart.

The virus would have to simultaneously invent a new way for its RNA to work and get rid of the old nucleoprotein in one generation-- it can't just develop an alternative gradually over generations and then switch over. If it gets rid of the protein without an alternative, it dies. If it gets an alternative without completely dumping the old protein, it gets targeted by the immune system.

It's also NOT (shame on subby) a "one-time shot". You'd probably need boosters.
 
2011-07-27 05:08:21 PM

randomjsa: Rapidly mutating virus laughs at your universal flu shot.


Some parts of a virus are more evolutionarily constrained than others. The whole point of this research is to target the highly conserved parts of the influenza virus, rather than the parts that change every year.

In the long run, sure, it's possible for even highly conserved and constrained sequences to change in response to selective pressure. But the long run may take longer than it takes for us to effectively eradicate the disease globally through vaccination, so it's a moot point.
 
2011-07-27 05:15:34 PM

PsiChi: mikebdoss: PsiChi: I don't do flu shots. The last time I got the flu - about six years ago - it lasted less than 24 hours.

Then you most likely didn't have the flu. You had food poisoning or some other kind of virus.

I think it was the flu. It came on suddenly, at work, and I started getting chills. IIRC, I had a temperature at one point of around 105. Felt very tired, and basically left the store where I'd gone to buy a thermometer, and went home to bed, as I could barely stand up.

Here are the syptoms of the flu, according to the CDC:

"Influenza Symptoms"

"Influenza (also known as the flu) is a contagious respiratory illness caused by flu viruses. It can cause mild to severe illness, and at times can lead to death. The flu is different from a cold. The flu usually comes on suddenly. People who have the flu often feel some or all of these symptoms:

•Fever* or feeling feverish/chills
•Cough
•Sore throat
•Runny or stuffy nose
•Muscle or body aches
•Headaches
•Fatigue (tiredness)
•Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults.
* It's important to note that not everyone with flu will have a fever."

Link (new window)


There are many viruses which cause "flu-like symptoms." Given your short recovery it's likely it was not the flu.
 
2011-07-27 05:23:10 PM
Bless microbiologists. I love biology but I just don't have the patience for dealing with viruses and bacteria. Glad someone does.
 
2011-07-27 05:25:39 PM
I would suspect that you cannot develop a real immune response to the invariant part of the protein shell. At least, not a robust response. Nature would have stumbled on that by now, and the virus would have evolved a work around by now already. I'm thinking the invariant part is invariant for a good reason.


This is much more about the impending N trillion dollar federal budget cut that is coming down the pipe. The agencies are crapping their pants and trying to save themselves from the harshest cuts. After you take defense, SS, Medicare, etc. off the table, these federal agencies are looking at truly horrifying layoffs or total closure.

unemployment will slide up over 11% soon enough. direct layoffs, followed by contractors being let go, followed by the cascading effect of dropping federal spending on GDP, and the negative feedback.
 
2011-07-27 05:29:19 PM

Craptastic: Based on the contents of Jenny McCarthy's head, an implosion is much more likely.

I still enjoy looking at her, though.


I was hoping for pictures, too.
 
2011-07-27 05:36:07 PM

dbaggins: I would suspect that you cannot develop a real immune response to the invariant part of the protein shell.


It's not the shell at all, it's an internal nucleoprotein. Which is, in a grossly-oversimplified nutshell, why the immune system hasn't come up with anything on its own to respond to it. It just isn't exposed enough to trigger the natural immune response.
 
2011-07-27 06:16:37 PM
CAPTAIN TRIPPS DOES NOT EXIST

www.filmreference.com

/Hot like a flu fever
 
2011-07-27 06:24:28 PM

crazyeddie: So the intelligent Scientists design and create something, and the virus doesn't evolve? How do you explain that, Darwinists?


Never heard of MRSA or penicillin, huh?
 
2011-07-27 06:35:08 PM

Grass Hopper: struct: Seconded. Despite the comment previously, there's no "suddenly" about it, this is work that has been gaining steam for the last couple of years (Which no-one ever heard about until our budget was threatened). We've been getting a better and better understanding of pieces of the flu that we can target and how they vary with different strains, and now that knowledge is being brought to bear (in a few years, but trust us, it's coming. Just keep paying). A similar thing is happening with HIV, though it is much, much harder to actually do anything with it yet. (So a lot more years and a lot more money)

Another thing, to all of the folks claiming that 1) they had the flu but it wasn't severe, 2) you have gotten over it because of nutrition/supplements and 3) you don't need big Pharma or Rumsfeld to push their unnatural chemicals on you -
you probably didn't (Thanks for the diagnosis, doc), supplements don't do shiat (our pills are much better than their pills), and its science (all hail the mighty god science) and its the ONLY thing that we have going for us (apart from natural immunities). If you want to go back to the days where a simple pin prick could lead to severe, always fatal staph infection (unlike the superbug infections they can lead to now) that covered half your face, or where more than half of your eight children wouldn't survive their first winter because of any one of a dozen or more death sentences (which thankfully Pharma will help us avoid as long as we can pay for them) then go ahead. You can use all the damned hippy vegan-organic-raw wheatgrass shakes and colon irrigations you want (Damn those hippies). I prefer actual science (Amen).


You people are just as bad as creationists when it comes to science. Science is bad, science is evil! Creationists have prayer, hippies have chiropractic and aromatherapy. And both are equally effective.

Drugs are regulated. "All-natural supplements" aren't. That means they can put flour and arsenic in there and no one will notice. It is snake oil. If it does anything, it would be a placebo.

Yes, there are "natural" things that do work. St. John's Wort, peppermint, and foxglove, for example. But did you know that a good deal of drugs are actually plant derived? But the vast majority of herbal remedies are snake oil. They're even marketed like snake oil.

The derp is too great for one sitting.
 
2011-07-27 06:36:31 PM

Mugato: I had the flu once when I was a kid. Since then, never had the flu. Never had a cold. I work with people who are sick every other week. I use other people's computer keyboards, which are the filthiest things you can touch. And besides the occasional alcohol withdrawal, never sick. Get an immune system. Zombie/Vampire creating drugs are not the answer.


Ill go tell that to the infants and elderly, the immune compromised, and those that just get really sick from it.


/special
 
2011-07-27 06:39:42 PM
This is GREAT! Does this mean we no longer have to hear all you vaccine freaks cry how about how us non-vaccine people are a danger to you by not joining the herd?

Go get your little shot, and shut the fark up about it.
 
2011-07-27 06:52:23 PM

colithian: If it does anything, it would be a placebo.


Yes, to hell with all the controlled studies showing the effects of various supplements. Science is only science when you say it is, everything else is snake oil. *rolls eyes*
 
2011-07-27 07:24:07 PM

drxym: Given how inevitable and miserable a bout of flu is, I don't know why anyone would decline a shot if they can afford one or get it for free.


Ohohohoho, you severely underestimate the stupidity of the anti-vaccine cam
 
2011-07-27 07:31:28 PM

T.rex: This is GREAT! Does this mean we no longer have to hear all you vaccine freaks cry how about how us non-vaccine people are a danger to you by not joining the herd?

Go get your little shot, and shut the fark up about it.


Unfortunately for everyone involved, no. Since vaccines offer only partial immunity (around 70% for healthy people, lower for the elderly), we're still largely dependent on herd immunity to make them effective. Which means you'd better get your damn shot, too.
 
2011-07-27 08:17:19 PM

raygundan: T.rex: This is GREAT! Does this mean we no longer have to hear all you vaccine freaks cry how about how us non-vaccine people are a danger to you by not joining the herd?

Go get your little shot, and shut the fark up about it.

Unfortunately for everyone involved, no. Since vaccines offer only partial immunity (around 70% for healthy people, lower for the elderly), we're still largely dependent on herd immunity to make them effective. Which means you'd better get your damn shot, too.


That and young children cannot get vaccinated until a certain age, so herd immunity is actually VERY important.

Unless you hate children, that is.
 
2011-07-27 09:16:30 PM

royone: jigger: Scientists are close to developing a one time flu shot that protects from all strains...

by killing you.

What? No, it's fine. We've tested it.
[t0.gstatic.com image 195x258]


Too soon!
 
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