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(USA Today)   Scientists are close to developing a one time flu shot that protects from all strains. Jenny McCarthy's head has asploded   (yourlife.usatoday.com) divider line 118
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2011-07-27 10:14:51 AM
So? horseshoes, hand grenades and vaccines??
 
2011-07-27 10:23:32 AM
This sounds familiar...


i586.photobucket.com
 
2011-07-27 10:29:50 AM
I had the flu once when I was a kid. Since then, never had the flu. Never had a cold. I work with people who are sick every other week. I use other people's computer keyboards, which are the filthiest things you can touch. And besides the occasional alcohol withdrawal, never sick. Get an immune system. Zombie/Vampire creating drugs are not the answer.
 
2011-07-27 10:41:36 AM
If an effective universal influenza vaccine is created, it will be one of the biggest public health advances in the history of mankind.

Not hyperbole. A 1918 type pandemic is an inevitability otherwise.
 
2011-07-27 10:53:38 AM

Mugato: I had the flu once when I was a kid. Since then, never had the flu. Never had a cold. I work with people who are sick every other week. I use other people's computer keyboards, which are the filthiest things you can touch. And besides the occasional alcohol withdrawal, never sick. Get an immune system. Zombie/Vampire creating drugs are not the answer.


I have an offer for you from the Umbrella Corporation. We'd like you to come in and run some tests on your blood. Really simple stuff, not invasive at all.
 
2011-07-27 11:34:44 AM

BigSnatch: I have an offer for you from the Umbrella Corporation. We'd like you to come in and run some tests on your blood. Really simple stuff, not invasive at all.


If that allows me to be invasive with Milla Jovovich then you have a deal.
 
2011-07-27 12:47:49 PM
Yay, another vaccine thread!
 
2011-07-27 02:01:33 PM
I had the flu for the first time in years this past Spring. I'd gladly take that vaccine. That flu sucked balls.
 
2011-07-27 02:02:01 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-07-27 02:02:03 PM
Jenny McCarthy's head has asploded

Oh god, if only.
 
2011-07-27 02:02:54 PM
Wasn't this a Will Smith movie?
 
2011-07-27 02:03:44 PM
So the intelligent Scientists design and create something, and the virus doesn't evolve? How do you explain that, Darwinists?
 
2011-07-27 02:07:41 PM

mysticcat: Not hyperbole. A 1918 type pandemic is an inevitability otherwise.


I'm not challenging your claim, but why do you say that? Because virulence is a function of random mutation, and sooner or later, the wheel will stop on a really nasty strain?
 
2011-07-27 02:07:50 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Wasn't this a Will Smith Chuck Heston movie?

 
2011-07-27 02:08:03 PM
no ecological niche will remain empty for long
 
2011-07-27 02:08:18 PM

Mugato: I had the flu once when I was a kid. Since then, never had the flu. Never had a cold.


I am assuming you don't have kids of your own?
 
2011-07-27 02:09:25 PM
Based on the contents of Jenny McCarthy's head, an implosion is much more likely.

I still enjoy looking at her, though.
 
2011-07-27 02:10:40 PM

katerbug72: I had the flu for the first time in years this past Spring. I'd gladly take that vaccine. That flu sucked balls.


This... "flu" means "stuffy nose" to some people but the real Influenza virus knocks you out of commission for most of a week at least. Not the fun watch-TV kind of sick either.
 
2011-07-27 02:11:09 PM
I'd prefer my head to explode in Jenny McCarthy.

/giggity!
 
2011-07-27 02:12:11 PM
Now what illness can I use to fake sick days? I can only use food poisoning so many times a year before my job thinks I'm too dumb to eat properly.
 
2011-07-27 02:12:22 PM

mysticcat: Not hyperbole. A 1918 type pandemic is an inevitability otherwise.


Maybe.

1918 was a conglomeration of an on-going world war coming on the heels of extended civil wars on both the eastern and western edges of Europe, combined with rapidly advancing transportation in the presence of 19th-century level public medicine.

Basically, if you were a potential pandemic, 1918 was the place to be. The Black Plague showed up just in time for the opening of the Silk Road to hit a population that had never seen it before. These event combos aren't terribly common, though.
 
2011-07-27 02:13:43 PM

crazyeddie: So the intelligent Scientists design and create something, and the virus doesn't evolve? How do you explain that, Darwinists?


FTA:

A universal flu vaccine "seemed completely out of reach only a few years ago," Collins said. That's because flu viruses mutate yearly, causing small changes in surface coatings, which make old vaccines obsolete.

Recently however, scientists have found "there are parts of the viral coat that don't change .... If you designed a vaccine to go after the constant part of the virus, you'd be protected against all strains," Collins said.


It evolves a little bit every year, they're just targeting the areas of that don't, and hoping it'll make a difference.
 
2011-07-27 02:14:25 PM
I don't do flu shots. The last time I got the flu - about six years ago - it lasted less than 24 hours.

I eat a very natural diet, exercise, and take supplements as needed.

Why politicians/media might want us to panic about the flu (old example, but still apropos):

"Rumsfeld's growing stake in Tamiflu:
Defense Secretary, ex-chairman of flu treatment rights holder, sees portfolio value growing."

"NEW YORK (Fortune) - The prospect of a bird flu outbreak may be panicking people around the globe, but it's proving to be very good news for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other politically connected investors in Gilead Sciences, the California biotech company that owns the rights to Tamiflu, the influenza remedy that's now the most-sought after drug in the world.

"Rumsfeld served as Gilead (Research)'s chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld..."

Link (new window)
 
2011-07-27 02:14:29 PM
•HIV studies suggest screening everyone in the country for HIV could lead to early treatment to prevent some of the 56,000 new cases each year.

universal screening "begins to look cost-effective."


Yup, just like death panels.
 
2011-07-27 02:17:24 PM

cleveoh: AverageAmericanGuy: Wasn't this a Will Smith Chuck Heston Vincent Price movie?

 
2011-07-27 02:17:45 PM
I have Lupus. My immune system went the way of the Dodo a couple years ago. In fact, I am facing surgery to get rid of MRSA (cultured, confirmed, and WILL NOT GO AWAY after 5 rounds of antibiotics; and the kicker? I am allergic to the first-line used to get rid of recurrent cases... yay me!). Someone could cough two counties over from TB and I guarantee that I will contract it within the week.

That being said, I have never had the flu. I still get a flu shot every year, but even growing up I never had it. Now, sinusitis? That's another horror story.

/sinus congestion? UGGGGGGH
 
2011-07-27 02:17:50 PM

crazyeddie: So the intelligent Scientists design and create something, and the virus doesn't evolve? How do you explain that, Darwinists?



Dammit, troll... I already have a headache, I do not appreciate the facepalm.



Steampunk Gallagher: crazyeddie: So the intelligent Scientists design and create something, and the virus doesn't evolve? How do you explain that, Darwinists?
FTA:
A universal flu vaccine "seemed completely out of reach only a few years ago," Collins said. That's because flu viruses mutate yearly, causing small changes in surface coatings, which make old vaccines obsolete.
Recently however, scientists have found "there are parts of the viral coat that don't change .... If you designed a vaccine to go after the constant part of the virus, you'd be protected against all strains," Collins said.

It evolves a little bit every year, they're just targeting the areas of that don't, and hoping it'll make a difference.



What makes me laugh though is that it has always evolved enough to ward off our previous attacks. As soon as we switch methods, I'd imagine we'll see some more severe changes to the virus.
 
2011-07-27 02:21:01 PM
survivorsbbctv.files.wordpress.com

Here's an actual show about a flu vaccine that goes apeshiat crazy
 
2011-07-27 02:21:53 PM

mysticcat: If an effective universal influenza vaccine is created, it will be one of the biggest public health advances in the history of mankind.

Not hyperbole. A 1918 type pandemic is an inevitability otherwise.


You might temper your excitement slightly. Knowing the stupidity of the American public, you can bet not everyone will get it. People like you and me will get ourselves and our kids vaccinated which will eradicate influenza. But not to worry influenza lovers, there will always be people like Jenny McCarthy which will act as virus incubators, a homepoint if you will, where influenza can continue to exist and mutate until it is finally able to overcome the universal vaccine.

We have pathogen loving heroes like Jenny McCarthy for antibiotics as well. It's all those people who stop taking their antibiotics once they start feeling fine but before the pathogen is completely eliminated from their system.

We're only as strong as our weakest link.
 
2011-07-27 02:22:26 PM
God I would take this in a heartbeat if it means never having the flu again. I got it for the first time last winter. I went to my universities free clinic when I first felt sick and they prescribed me some crappy medication that actually said in the information packet "do not bother taking if you have the flu, it has no effect". Essentially it was a placebo.

I ended up in the hospital for a week with pneumonia. And since I have no insurance sadly I ended up costing us all money. Sorry guys. Maybe this vaccine will help cut down on the cost of people like myself who catch the flu! I wouldn't wish that hell on anyone.
 
2011-07-27 02:23:09 PM

PsiChi: I don't do flu shots. The last time I got the flu - about six years ago - it lasted less than 24 hours.


Then you most likely didn't have the flu. You had food poisoning or some other kind of virus.
 
2011-07-27 02:23:09 PM

crazyeddie: So the intelligent Scientists design and create something


Are you calling us Gods? I don't like to brag but I've designed a few organisms in my time. Some of them glow green (in very specific areas) under UV light no less.
 
2011-07-27 02:24:48 PM

Anastacya: I have Lupus. My immune system went the way of the Dodo a couple years ago. In fact, I am facing surgery to get rid of MRSA (cultured, confirmed, and WILL NOT GO AWAY after 5 rounds of antibiotics; and the kicker? I am allergic to the first-line used to get rid of recurrent cases... yay me!). Someone could cough two counties over from TB and I guarantee that I will contract it within the week.

That being said, I have never had the flu. I still get a flu shot every year, but even growing up I never had it. Now, sinusitis? That's another horror story.

/sinus congestion? UGGGGGGH


Silver. Bacteriophage.
 
2011-07-27 02:25:41 PM

LittleSmitty: cleveoh: AverageAmericanGuy: Wasn't this a Will Smith Chuck Heston Vincent Price movie Richard Matheson novel?


Also: "Five to ten years" in scientific-research-speak means, "We have some vague inkling of how this might work, but if we tell you otherwise, we'll lose our funding."
 
2011-07-27 02:25:43 PM

mikebdoss: PsiChi: I don't do flu shots. The last time I got the flu - about six years ago - it lasted less than 24 hours.

Then you most likely didn't have the flu. You had food poisoning or some other kind of virus.


You might hold off on giving the medical advice until you do a little more reading. Most food poisoning is not viral.
 
2011-07-27 02:26:01 PM

Mugato: Get an immune system.


Obligatory Carlin
 
2011-07-27 02:26:56 PM
Haven't we seen this before?

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2011-07-27 02:27:32 PM

Anastacya: I have Lupus. My immune system went the way of the Dodo a couple years ago. In fact, I am facing surgery to get rid of MRSA (cultured, confirmed, and WILL NOT GO AWAY after 5 rounds of antibiotics; and the kicker? I am allergic to the first-line used to get rid of recurrent cases... yay me!). Someone could cough two counties over from TB and I guarantee that I will contract it within the week.

That being said, I have never had the flu. I still get a flu shot every year, but even growing up I never had it. Now, sinusitis? That's another horror story.

/sinus congestion? UGGGGGGH


I feel your pain! I've been fighting a very nasty MRSA infection for the past year and it just won't go away. I've tried bleach baths and I've been on my current round of antibiotics for 8 months. It's hell. Surgery to remove infection site is my last option. Not looking forward to it :(
 
2011-07-27 02:27:48 PM
Still no cure for Jenny McCarthy.
 
2011-07-27 02:29:01 PM
Scientists are close to developing a one time flu shot that protects from all strains...

by killing you.
 
2011-07-27 02:30:14 PM
FTA: Amid budget debates now underway in Washington, D.C. that could also trim NIH's $31billion budget, he made the case for research investments that improve the nation's health.

So they are going to cut the budget for NIH research, and suddenly a long term panflu vaccine is in the offing.

Sure. Sure.
 
2011-07-27 02:32:11 PM
Having lived through a bout of swine flu that turned into MRSA - I like this.

/Swine flu is only funny until you catch it.
//I've gotten every flu shot released since then, and I'll get this one too.
 
2011-07-27 02:33:05 PM
let me guess... the virus will evolve a way around it and become even more resistant to everything....
 
2011-07-27 02:33:29 PM

Anastacya: I have Lupus. My immune system went the way of the Dodo a couple years ago. In fact, I am facing surgery to get rid of MRSA (cultured, confirmed, and WILL NOT GO AWAY after 5 rounds of antibiotics; and the kicker? I am allergic to the first-line used to get rid of recurrent cases... yay me!). Someone could cough two counties over from TB and I guarantee that I will contract it within the week.

That being said, I have never had the flu. I still get a flu shot every year, but even growing up I never had it. Now, sinusitis? That's another horror story.

/sinus congestion? UGGGGGGH



Sinus congestion? Look up Neti pots. Been using one for the last few years - never breathed clearer.
 
2011-07-27 02:33:35 PM

h2oincfs: Also: "Five to ten years" in scientific-research-speak means, "We have some vague inkling of how this might work, but if we tell you otherwise, we'll lose our funding."


imgs.xkcd.com (new window)
 
2011-07-27 02:37:28 PM
Given how inevitable and miserable a bout of flu is, I don't know why anyone would decline a shot if they can afford one or get it for free.
 
2011-07-27 02:38:16 PM

lennavan: mikebdoss: PsiChi: I don't do flu shots. The last time I got the flu - about six years ago - it lasted less than 24 hours.

Then you most likely didn't have the flu. You had food poisoning or some other kind of virus.

You might hold off on giving the medical advice until you do a little more reading. Most food poisoning is not viral.



I think he was implying one or the other. Poor wording perhaps, but I don't think he intended to communicate that food poisoning was the result of a viral infection; rather, he was trying to say that PsiChi wasn't infected with influenza virus - he either came down with bacterial food poisoning, or perhaps he contracted some other short lived virus (although i find this unlikely.... complete convalescence in less than 24 hours from a viral infection?)

My money is on food poisoning.
 
2011-07-27 02:41:08 PM

Grass Hopper: FTA: Amid budget debates now underway in Washington, D.C. that could also trim NIH's $31billion budget, he made the case for research investments that improve the nation's health.

So they are going to cut the budget for NIH research, and suddenly a long term panflu vaccine is in the offing.

Sure. Sure.


I think you would be shocked at the quality and quantity of grants that get axed. Only around the top 10% of grants get funded. It's not just flu vaccine development that's in the offing, its cancer drugs and alzheimers drugs and HIV vaccines/drugs and so on.

Keep that number in mind. $31 Billion. That's all. Just remember that one fact, especially in when paying attention in politics. See what kind of numbers they throw around when we're talking about a war abroad, some fighter jet engines or tax cuts for oil companies. Just remember one thing - The current total NIH budget is $31 Billion.
 
2011-07-27 02:42:03 PM
I honestly would worry this could end badly. Of course, I have no education in this area of science... but I have seen a lot of zombie flicks.
 
2011-07-27 02:42:29 PM

crazyeddie: So the intelligent Scientists design and create something, and the virus doesn't evolve? How do you explain that, Darwinists?


It can (and will) still evolve. And it's not *impossible* for it to find a way around this, either. But the nucleoprotein this targets is essential to the viruses-- without it, their genome is unstable, and they simply don't work anymore.
 
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