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2011-07-27 12:15:13 PM

krispos42: stuhayes2010: LOAD "MENU" ,8,1


/I know, not DOS

[i259.photobucket.com image 360x240]

Ah memories... F-19 Stealth Fighter and Destroyer Escort for hours on end...


my first computer was a C64, followed by a C128.
Maniac Mansion for Commodore was the the best game evah. Oh and Summer Games!
 
2011-07-27 12:18:28 PM

Electrify: Just so I can get in on all this nostalgia, I need to post a picture of:

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 500x375]

/hot


My god, it that Dr. SBaitso? I miss that guy
 
2011-07-27 12:19:19 PM

kbronsito: krispos42: stuhayes2010: LOAD "MENU" ,8,1


/I know, not DOS

[i259.photobucket.com image 360x240]

Ah memories... F-19 Stealth Fighter and Destroyer Escort for hours on end...

my first computer was a C64, followed by a C128.
Maniac Mansion for Commodore was the the best game evah. Oh and Summer Games!


My shiznit is still setup and working. ;)

www.doppleganger.org
www.doppleganger.org

And Yes, that's a SuperCPU and HDD on the 128, and the 64 is logged into Q-Link over telnet.
 
2011-07-27 12:22:49 PM
One of my favorites is "Digger" by Windmill Software. I played it off of a 5.25" floppy disk on a Tandy 1000EX. The Tandy still runs, so I still play it. Emulators and such can go pound sand.

However, my all-time favorite DOS game is "Starflight" by Binary Systems. This is one of the best games aver made. Period.

"In the beginning, there was darkness...or was there light...no, there was darkness. Anyway, then Man came on the scene and verily did he create a great spacefaring empire and unto him...you know I'm almost positive there was darkness in the beginning."
-- The Book of Endurium, Chapter 1, Verse 1 (Starflight manual, Appendix C)
 
2011-07-27 12:26:05 PM

Doppleganger871: kbronsito: krispos42: stuhayes2010: LOAD "MENU" ,8,1


/I know, not DOS

[i259.photobucket.com image 360x240]

Ah memories... F-19 Stealth Fighter and Destroyer Escort for hours on end...

my first computer was a C64, followed by a C128.
Maniac Mansion for Commodore was the the best game evah. Oh and Summer Games!

My shiznit is still setup and working. ;)

[www.doppleganger.org image 640x480]
[www.doppleganger.org image 640x480]

And Yes, that's a SuperCPU and HDD on the 128, and the 64 is logged into Q-Link over telnet.


Remember that Seinfeld episode when the gang drugs that one woman so they could play with her collection of antique toys. Watch youself :P
 
2011-07-27 12:29:20 PM
Is it wrong that my "phone" has +/- 3300 times the memory than our first PC?

I remember the first desktop I got at work, had to use a green mono IBM monitor hooked up to the "CPU."
(Don't remember the brand). Hand me down from the boss's secretary. Then had to clean up the hard drive and reinstall everything. Took all of 2 hours.

It had a huge 20 MB hard drive.

I loved DOS because you pretty much knew what you could delete without screwing up the OS or one of your programs.
 
2011-07-27 12:29:27 PM

Alphax: And died how long ago?

/DOS user from about 1990-1994.


Never worked for the DOD have you?
 
2011-07-27 12:37:16 PM

Unobtanium: Is it wrong that my "phone" has +/- 3300 times the memory than our first PC?

I remember the first desktop I got at work, had to use a green mono IBM monitor hooked up to the "CPU."
(Don't remember the brand). Hand me down from the boss's secretary. Then had to clean up the hard drive and reinstall everything. Took all of 2 hours.

It had a huge 20 MB hard drive.

I loved DOS because you pretty much knew what you could delete without screwing up the OS or one of your programs.


#c64friends - lots of us in that channel. IRC, not twitter. :)
 
2011-07-27 12:40:21 PM

Doppleganger871: My shiznit is still setup and working. ;)


Aaargh. You still have your 1581s. I sold mine as a teenager and regret it to this day.

Also, time to upgrade your monitor.

images59.fotki.com
 
2011-07-27 12:42:05 PM

Klaumbaz: Starcon (where multiplayer meant you got the arrow keys, your buddy got wasd)


And sometimes the keyboard buffer couldn't handle the number of keypresses.
 
2011-07-27 12:44:42 PM
I credit DOS as one of the main reasons for my computer savvy, I feel that learning cryptic commands at a young age made programming in general an easier concept.
 
2011-07-27 12:45:20 PM

Gustavo Alejandro: Why should anyone but a programmer or engineer really need to understand how computers work? Do you know how your microwave works? Do you know how automatic transmissions work beyond a vague understanding of their operating principles?



To be fair, I also think that the road test for a driver's license should only be given in vehicles with a manual transmission. After you pass the test, you can drive an automatic if you choose, but demonstrate a basic capability first.

//Seriously.
 
2011-07-27 12:47:46 PM

Unobtanium: I loved DOS because you pretty much knew what you could delete without screwing up the OS or one of your programs.


Yep. You had a directory for a program, and all of that program's data was in that directory. No registry to worry about, no DLL's in other places. You want to delete a program? Just wipe that directory, simple as that.

Incidentally, one way to tell and old DOS user is if they still call them directories, not folders.
 
2011-07-27 12:48:40 PM

Dinjiin: Doppleganger871: My shiznit is still setup and working. ;)

Aaargh. You still have your 1581s. I sold mine as a teenager and regret it to this day.

Also, time to upgrade your monitor.

[images59.fotki.com image 400x300]


I have an RTV VEG for that. Still working on a real CGA to VGA adapter, ALL of the ones out there do NOT do RGBI to VGA, they're all RGBA to VGA.

Oh, and I won't give up the 1702 for the 64... :) Best monitors ever made. Finger Lakes TV (public access) still uses one in their studio, saw it on one of their "come out and help us" plugs.
 
2011-07-27 12:52:30 PM

nekom: Incidentally, one way to tell and old DOS user is if they still call them directories, not folders.


Amen, brutha.
 
2011-07-27 12:53:12 PM

mhd: hurdboy: /Had to develop for DOS for an experiment a few years ago
//Holy mother of god.....it made Java look appealing

Did you have to use segmented mode and/or assembly?


No. It was straightforward C, but the clib left much to be desired, and you had to compile the entire library into the executable. Thankfully, it was still small enough that it fit under whatever it was, 576K. OpenWatcom? I wasn't impressed, but I was able to prove my point, and blow up a pretty hefty 2K3 with it.

/And I missed emacs
 
2011-07-27 12:54:35 PM

CP/M_Yes: Gustavo Alejandro: Why should anyone but a programmer or engineer really need to understand how computers work? Do you know how your microwave works? Do you know how automatic transmissions work beyond a vague understanding of their operating principles?


To be fair, I also think that the road test for a driver's license should only be given in vehicles with a manual transmission. After you pass the test, you can drive an automatic if you choose, but demonstrate a basic capability first.

//Seriously.


If everyone took a little time to understand how things worked, we'd all be better off.

Well, everyone except those who have to fix stuff.

/Been trying to work myself out of a job by educating users when I fix their crap. (computers)
//Hasn't worked.
 
2011-07-27 12:55:05 PM
I've translated learning BASIC on my VIC-20 making word adventure games into a career(OK, I build business apps now, but I still use the BASIC logic I learned on the VIC-20), and I still drop to DOS to search for files, and a few other things. Stay the hell out of my yard!
 
2011-07-27 12:56:21 PM

Dinjiin: Doppleganger871: My shiznit is still setup and working. ;)

Aaargh. You still have your 1581s. I sold mine as a teenager and regret it to this day.


Oh, and I have a FD2000 1.6mb drive, and that's a 2GB HDD there, and I have a couple of Jim Brain's uIEC devices, one that uses CF, one that uses SD. They're basically flash-based IEC serial drives that operate like the CMD HD. Fan'f'ing'tastic.

Oh, and I sell Link-232 and EZ-232 RS-232 interfaces, too. ;)
 
2011-07-27 01:09:12 PM

CP/M_Yes:
To be fair, I also think that the road test for a driver's license should only be given in vehicles with a manual transmission. After you pass the test, you can drive an automatic if you choose, but demonstrate a basic capability first.


That's beside the point. I think most manual transmission drivers would not know what to do when confronted with a faulty clutch, except bring it to the mechanic.
 
2011-07-27 01:10:43 PM
I go all the way back. Still have a copy of DOS 1.0 and the manual, but I suspect the oxide would flake off if I tried reading the disks. Made a pile over the years off of DOS' flaws. DOS 3.0 couldn't be installed on most DOS 2.x systems, as it needed the first two sectors to boot. Norton made it possible. And let's not forget the "Disk Full" errors because one version of DOS couldn't reset the sector count.

Embedded DOS is still the most common OS out there.
 
2011-07-27 01:13:34 PM
Elephants never forget!

www.doppleganger.org
 
2011-07-27 01:14:26 PM

Bag of Hammers: Alphax: And died how long ago?

/DOS user from about 1990-1994.

Never worked for the DOD have you?


Can't say I have.. unless you count that temp job at Boeing replacing their laser printers.
 
2011-07-27 01:14:45 PM
That was from the first floppy disk my dad gave me when he got the 1540 drive for his Vic-20. I still have that disk.

It still works.

Really.
 
2011-07-27 01:16:06 PM
LucasArts made some good one's like X-wing, I liked Chuck Yeager's Air Combat, and does anyone remember Disney Interactive Stunt Island? I wasted days of my life on that game, of course I've always been partial to flight sims. LOL
 
2011-07-27 01:16:42 PM
Haha! DOS is older than I am! By three weeks.... /cry
 
2011-07-27 01:21:18 PM

topgun12776: LucasArts made some good one's like X-wing, I liked Chuck Yeager's Air Combat, and does anyone remember Disney Interactive Stunt Island? I wasted days of my life on that game, of course I've always been partial to flight sims. LOL


Stunt Island ruled. The ability to export those movies as stand alone executables was sheer awesome too.
 
2011-07-27 01:21:40 PM
My PC is so slow.....can you fix??

Why yes I can....just press the ****TURBO button*******!


ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM!



My Hero!!!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-07-27 01:22:51 PM

Doppleganger871: Oh, and I have a FD2000 1.6mb drive, and that's a 2GB HDD there


Now you're just rubbing it in. Although to be honest, I do 99.9% of my C64 gameplay using CCS64.

I wish that the emulators would support the 65816 in your Super CPU. Having done assembly on the bugfixed 6502 variants, going back and programming on the 6510 in the C64 is a PITA. Yes, I would like to move my zero page and stack pages to somewhere other than $0000 and $0100. And yes, I would like to have my indirect offsets not wrap around in zero page.

Funny thing is that after having done assembly on the 650x and 680x0 series for years, it wasn't until recently that I tried programming the Z80 in the C128. From there, I picked up 808x assembly. One of my two programming projects is porting an IPv6 stack to real mode DOS (I've only gotten the ICMPv6 stuff working right now), and knowing that bit of 808x assembly helped me write some of the interrupt routines.
 
2011-07-27 01:24:05 PM
The original Test Drive runs GREAT! at 20mhz, too. Same speed, really fast frame rate.
 
2011-07-27 01:25:01 PM
when I was using the then HP 5970 mass/spec and Finnigan Mass/spcs you had to write DOS programs in order to review data, print etc.

you would create a batch file to run at the end of your analytical sequence to pull spectra. the hard drive was very small and we used these cassette tapes to store data.

/I'm a chemist not a geek
//there was one golf game we played on a DOS system the course was called Sterling shores but was really pebble beach
 
2011-07-27 01:30:52 PM

bodangly: I credit DOS as one of the main reasons for my computer savvy, I feel that learning cryptic commands at a young age made programming in general an easier concept.


I credit Logo for that.

Anyone remember that program where you can give commands to an icon turtle that leaves a trail behind as it moves and you can direct it to draw????
 
2011-07-27 01:33:56 PM
Mr. Wizard used to use Logo on his Apple.
 
2011-07-27 01:36:41 PM
Still play various Angband variants at times. Some are still in active development.
 
2011-07-27 01:37:20 PM
Good times. The command line skills I learned are still useful to me in Linux at work and there is still use for cmd in windows 7. The 'net' command and .bat files are boss.
 
2011-07-27 01:37:41 PM

akula384: extroverted_suicide: Chewlies Gum Representative: Indolent: Yeah that was a good headline but I think I wouldn't have gone with COM. Maybe .EXE or .BAT.

I thought the exact same thing.

I thought it should have been "A:". Who the hell had a C drive in 1981?

I thought it was big doin's when I got my first IBM PC Jr and it had both an A:\ and a B:\ drive.


My God. My first computer was a PCjr. I was the shizz cuz I had *16* colors, all my friends had 1 or 4. And I had 3 channel sound, all they had was the internal beeper! Also, 512K of RAM, courtesy of 2 sidebricks roughly the size of a skateboard each.
 
2011-07-27 01:38:29 PM

kbronsito: bodangly: I credit DOS as one of the main reasons for my computer savvy, I feel that learning cryptic commands at a young age made programming in general an easier concept.

I credit Logo for that.

Anyone remember that program where you can give commands to an icon turtle that leaves a trail behind as it moves and you can direct it to draw????


Those were good times, our lab teacher even gave out overhead overlay that were transparent mazes and see how quickly we could get a turtle through it without touching the walls.

Its a shame that isn't part of the curriculum anymore, I hear kids just die of dysentery these days.
 
2011-07-27 01:40:28 PM
hated this game but still played it all the time...

kofler.dot.at

/combots
 
2011-07-27 01:40:39 PM

nekom: extroverted_suicide: I thought it should have been "A:". Who the hell had a C drive in 1981?

DOS was still relevant when hard disks became more common. Our second PC circa 1987-88 had a 20 megabyte hard disk. Yes, 20 MB.


For my 2nd computer, I got a discount bin 386 with 20MG HDD, spent, oh I don't remember but wanna say about $250 upgrading to 80MB.
 
2011-07-27 01:42:33 PM

nitefallz: Having setup Dosbox last night after pulling data off some backups from the 90s and firing up my old BBs... getting kicks..


Can I have Elite access to your BBs?
 
2011-07-27 01:42:43 PM

Indolent: Yeah that was a good headline but I think I wouldn't have gone with COM. Maybe .EXE or .BAT.


Even though we still use batch scripts for simple tasks i wonder if newbies entering IT will ever learn that stuff.
 
2011-07-27 01:48:52 PM

stuhayes2010: LOAD "MENU" ,8,1


Oh no no no.

load "$",8
list

/C64 nerds ftw.
 
2011-07-27 01:49:59 PM

Doppleganger871: My shiznit is still setup and working. ;)


Slightly off topic but there's a neat thingy slowly maturing called the MCC-216. It's an FPGA in a little box with code for C-64, Atari 2600, Amiga and now Apple ][. Some of the platforms are more mature than others right now.

You could go the emulator route (c64forever is amazing) but for the hardware geek in you, it's a pretty cool toy.

www.commodorefree.com
 
2011-07-27 01:51:53 PM

Red_Fox: Indolent: Yeah that was a good headline but I think I wouldn't have gone with COM. Maybe .EXE or .BAT.

Even though we still use batch scripts for simple tasks i wonder if newbies entering IT will ever learn that stuff.


As someone back in college I can say that at least in my program there is indeed a chunk of the windows admin courses that pushes batch and having to write a fairly comprehensive script with it. Its fun watching the younger ones' temples pop as they struggle. The program isn't a programming one otherwise so very few had any scripting experience leading up to this. It was even more fun watching them flail about when we hit bash scripting in linux the term after, its final project being a much more in-depth script that needed to take in arguments from CLI, intake a list of values from a file or prompt for values as its running. The handful of us that completed it to spec got a massive marks bonus as they ended up pulling everyone else up to pass it :P

/"A function? WTF is that!?" :P
//doesn't help that our linux prof for that course normally taught deeper layer computer science courses and just assumed everyone knew how to program
 
2011-07-27 01:59:19 PM
I turned 29 today! I didn't know I shared my birthday with DOS.
 
2011-07-27 02:00:58 PM

mhd: way south: You couldn't beat it for stability or simplicity.

DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
FILES=30
STACKS=0,0
BUFFERS=20
REM DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
DEVICEHIGH=C:\GENIUS\GMOUSE.SYS

/please, oh please let me have enough hi memory to run my game and load my mouse driver


Don't forget to LH (LOADHIGH) everything
 
2011-07-27 02:01:34 PM

swaxhog: Doppleganger871: My shiznit is still setup and working. ;)

Slightly off topic but there's a neat thingy slowly maturing called the MCC-216. It's an FPGA in a little box with code for C-64, Atari 2600, Amiga and now Apple ][. Some of the platforms are more mature than others right now.

You could go the emulator route (c64forever is amazing) but for the hardware geek in you, it's a pretty cool toy.

[www.commodorefree.com image 476x356]


Yea, those guys were at the C4 Expo a couple years ago. :)

Oh, and to the other comment about who had a C: drive?

My drives were 8, 9, 10, and 11!

Printer was 4, or 5.

Red_Fox: stuhayes2010: LOAD "MENU" ,8,1

Oh no no no.

load "$",8
list

/C64 nerds ftw.


Bah, JiffyDOS FTW! @$
 
2011-07-27 02:02:19 PM
Who is this General Failure and why is he trying to read drive A: ?
 
2011-07-27 02:03:16 PM
Dammit, I'm cleaning up my computer room so I can start using this stuff again. I really miss getting on the BBSes. There are still several of them up, on telnet.
 
2011-07-27 02:04:17 PM
Anyone else recall the qbasic game where your ape chucked a banana at your friends ape given an angle of departure and "power?"
 
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