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2001-10-29 09:52:43 AM  
10-29-01 09:49:51 AM Puter_go_byebye
An actual non-joke post by me. WOW!

Did you know that in a Tom Clancey book it is written about hijacking airplanes and using them as weapons of mass destruction?

Would it make more sense for a mideastern terrorist to read it or a right-wing extremist survialist home-grown terrorist right here in America to read it instead?

Maybe the terrorists idea was original, maybe they read it from the book...but it does make you think, doesn't it?

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2001-10-29 09:53:53 AM  
we need to start thinking more about everything and not just assuming
 
2001-10-29 10:01:24 AM  
The statement in the article.."Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill jews is alright by me," wrote Billy Roper.....is soooo disgusting.
 
2001-10-29 10:06:45 AM  
Ok, time to round up the militia freaks and send them to the Taliban front lines. We can play target practice with them as well.
 
2001-10-29 10:07:42 AM  
Ahhhhhh ... what a heart warming story. Its so nice to see that people, who usually hate each other (arab terrorists & white extremists), can be brought together in times of crisis. Joining forces to fight against the common cause of multiculturism. Beautiful.
 
2001-10-29 10:08:32 AM  
As Grannie already quoted, "Anyone who is willing to drive a plane into a building to kill jews is alright by me," wrote Billy Roper...

I bet you could make this guy feel really stupid if you asked him if he would still feel the same way if the guys flying the plane were jews. To us, he is a damn idiot anyway, which is most obvious. But asking him that might put a little perspective on it for him.
 
2001-10-29 10:19:10 AM  
I'll bet you Fred Phelps and crew made the short list of "Groups to Watch". They were campaigning pretty hard against Daschle right before the attack.
 
2001-10-29 10:34:46 AM  
Ship em to Afganistan and drop bombs on em ;)
 
2001-10-29 10:38:38 AM  
The plane ticket would be too much, just shoot them. Single bullets are much cheaper.

Bush has said "You're either with us, or your against us." Well, they made themselves clear, time to die now.
 
2001-10-29 10:39:26 AM  
Single bullets? Did somebody say oxy-MORON?
 
2001-10-29 10:42:23 AM  
Ever hear of freedom of speech? You don't have to like what they say but since you're using the same right to castigate them here, you also have to support their right to say what they want.
 
2001-10-29 10:57:50 AM  
Does anyone remember a few months ago or so that an aryan nations member had anthrax in his possesion ? Sorry, but we need to monitor white and black extremists.
 
2001-10-29 11:16:52 AM  
You know... sometimes, I really wish that a comet would strike the earth. :)
 
2001-10-29 11:19:51 AM  
"The plane ticket would be too much, just shoot them. Single bullets are much cheaper."

Nah, we could probably manage a few big US troop transports to get them over there. Tell them we're sending them in as paratroopers, but oops....forget to load their shoots. :)
 
2001-10-29 11:46:25 AM  
hehe...I just realized I said shoots instead of chutes. Even spellcheck would not have saved me there. :(
 
2001-10-29 12:19:45 PM  
These obviously aren't the American populace view.They have every right to speak their mind knowing it isn't a popular view.They must realize there will be repercussions,almost assuredly,that they will forever deal with the rest of their abyssmal existence.
 
2001-10-29 12:29:06 PM  
I agree they have the right to say what they want just as I do.

However if someone here starts talking about how they hate america and americans.. Get the fark out or prepare for some serious violence. Most Americans used to just dismiss anti-america protests on american soil. Right now even the "tree-huggers" are screaming for blood.
 
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2001-10-29 12:52:01 PM  
For a complete list of fringe groups that support anti-american terrorist, see RobbieFal, he's buddies with them all.
 
2001-10-29 01:06:12 PM  
Agreed that they have the right to say anything they want. I also have the right to be absolutely disgusted by it. And on the first hint that they're acting on any of their ideas...Time to read them their rights.
 
2001-10-29 01:35:25 PM  
Knew there'd be some idiotic right-wingnut apologist to spin this story against the left... tanks fb, you win the day's predictable award
 
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2001-10-29 01:58:04 PM  
The only thing I'm apologizing for is that I didn't run over any of you hippies when I was in college.
 
2001-10-29 02:03:26 PM  
LUPA
Knew there'd be some idiotic right-wingnut apologist to spin this story against the left... tanks fb, you win the day's predictable award


This is why the Southern Poverty Law Center won't go much further than they are, a mouthpiece that has gone past it's prime.
Don't get me wrong, racism, sexism and most other "isms" are wrong and should be stamped out.
However, the SPLC is fixated on "right wing" groups and much to my chagrin seem to focus of "photo ops" and opportunistic press releases.
Where is their outrage for bin Laden, al Queda Taliban, and all of the other groups like left wing terror groups?
Fb- may be using it to his advantage but it is still the truth.
 
2001-10-29 02:06:16 PM  
Isnt' Fb on a tiny island? I think one of our many missiles flying around these days could easily get "a little off target" and accidently take out a little hill in the sea.
 
2001-10-29 02:07:15 PM  
Of course, I'm not being (totally) serious.
 
2001-10-29 02:12:18 PM  
Please do not confuse hate groups with other groups that are just trying to expose the corruption in government. They try to group these two groups together in order to demonize people who are just trying to speak the truth about the sad state of affairs today. Do you think this group is a white supremacist group?
 
2001-10-29 02:13:05 PM  
Please do not confuse hate groups with other groups that are just trying to expose the corruption in government. They try to group these two groups together in order to demonize people who are just trying to speak the truth about the sad state of affairs today. Do you think this group is a white supremacist group? http://www.jpfo.org/
 
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2001-10-29 02:13:15 PM  
Keep hoping for my death. It just adds more bad juju to the island cure I have on you all.

 
2001-10-29 02:19:02 PM  
hehehehehe...island juju working on someone sitting in the middle of the world's hyperpower...
ouch...what was that sudden pain in my side...
Quiet now.
 
2001-10-29 02:42:31 PM  
Oh bullshiat! I tell you what, it's a damned good thing for those terrorists that they didn't hijack an airplane full of rednecks. I can just see the terrorists pulling out those box cutters and ceramic knives and those ol' boys laughing and saying "Awww, hell, that's not a knife...THIS is a knife...."
It would've been your ass Abdul, I guarantee.
 
2001-10-29 03:15:29 PM  
I thought rednecks couldn't fly because their arms got too tired...
 
2001-10-29 03:25:42 PM  
Should we drop Ralph Nader and Noam Chamsky over Afghanistan, too? Glad to see a fair balance of idiots and assholes responding to this article. Just want to say: I'm all for persecuting right-wing militants, especially if they hate black people, but when they start going after the anti-capitalist, anti-Americans, who sympathize with the causes of Third World nations--then I'm gonna worry.
 
2001-10-29 03:38:12 PM  
Walkman: Ever hear of freedom of speech? You don't have to like what they say but since you're using the same right to castigate them here, you also have to support their right to say what they want.

Yea, I've heard of freedom of speech, last time I checked, advocating the murder of innocent American civilians did not fit under that right.

Not to say I've ever "checked" it out, but thats my understanding.
 
2001-10-29 03:51:04 PM  
"Ralph Nader and Noam Chamsky"

I've never heard them agreeing with the tactics of slaughtering American civilians. I believe it was the extreme right wing groups doing that. The first extreme left wing group I hear cheering on the 9/11 attacks, I'll suggest be shipped of to the Taliban front lines as well.
Again, I recognize the freedom of speech, but we can all have dreams...
 
2001-10-29 04:00:24 PM  
As long as they don't act out what they say, including advocating murder of innocent people, it's free speech. Besides, many US citizens are advocating and approve of the murder of innocent Afghani civilians because "it's in the name of justice".
 
2001-10-29 04:00:31 PM  
Lynxplus: Ship em to Afganistan and drop bombs on em ;)

Better yet, ship em to Afganhistan and drop them as bombs!!
 
2001-10-29 04:17:06 PM  
This seems TAME in comparison to some of the shiat I see here in Berkeley. You have already heard about the protests and stuff. I live in Oakland and I went to a Chinese restaurant in Berkeley with my girlfriend. Som a**hole spray-painted on the sidewalk in front:

"Resist Patriotism"

That, and the city council's decision to condemn the counter-attchs by us make me want to strangle the so-called "peace-lovers" who really are all just about bringing "America" down, regardless of the reason. I hate Berkeley, sometimes.
 
2001-10-29 04:18:07 PM  
"Besides, many US citizens are advocating and approve of the murder of innocent Afghani civilians because 'it's in the name of justice'".

You mean there are innocent Afghanis?! Hell, I just thought every last one of them were blood thirsty terrorists out to destroy the freedoms of America (which is always your first priority when you are near the starvation level), down to every last infant.
Aw, shucks. Now I've gone off and had to think...head going to explode...can't think for self...it hurts!
 
2001-10-29 04:22:04 PM  
After doing a quick half assed search on Google, because I was curious, came up with a few articles (one from Salon the other from Newsfactor ).

The Salon article, dated 1999, gives the outcome to that case where people were threatining to kill specific doctors through web sites:
"...a federal jury in Portland ruled Tuesday that a virulently anti-abortion Web site and "Wanted" posters constituted death threats against doctors who perform abortions. The U.S. District Court jury ordered more than a dozen defendants to pay $106.5 million in punitive damages and $500,000 in compensatory damages to the plaintiffs, a local Planned Parenthood branch..."

Free speech doesn't cover death threats or slander, I'm pretty sure of this now. Nor does it protect foregin citizens living abroad, Afghans for example.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I honestly don't mind.
 
2001-10-29 04:25:48 PM  
I hope they all contract anthrax, get hit by a 747, and have a building fall on them. Then, I'll sin and go to hell JUST to spit in their faces.
 
2001-10-29 04:58:03 PM  
I guess its a matter of degree. The anti-abortion people not only personally threatened the doctors, they put out wanted posters on the streets and the net with monetary amounts stated. That constitutes a direct threat to an individual and can be interpreted as a possible murder for hire, which is illegal. Generically saying an entire race, i.e. blacks, jews, whoever, should all be killed is not. You and I can say thay all Klukkers should be killed and get away with it. Pointing a finger at the Master Grand Pooh Bah Chickenshiat and saying "Joe Billy Bob Leroy Bubba deserves to die" and then putting up a $1M reward for his head on a platter would get us thrown in jail.

As to the Afghanis, I was referring to people saying its OK innocent civilains die as long as its done in the name of fighting terrorism. The average Afghani civilian just trying to stay alive in horrible conditions doesn't deserve to die any more than the US civilians on 9/11 simply because they're non-white, non-US citizens.
 
2001-10-29 05:39:33 PM  
Walkman: I had a college B-Law professor put it like this: Freedom of speech is not absolute, it doesn't for example, allow you to yell fire in a crowded theatre. Making statements that could result in the loss of life or property, incite a riot, or create a libelous situation is not protected by the constitution.

These domestic extremists have the right to express their opinions, but openly advocating the murder of innocents is most likely illegal. (It is in Texas) If you tell someone you are going to kill or attack him/her it is assault and can result in imprisonment.

Just my usual $0.02
 
2001-10-29 06:02:01 PM  
My sister is a lawyer for the federal justice system in DC and we have lots of arguments over many things and this is one of them.

True, the shout of fire in a crowded theatre is not allowed because of the resulting panic (but is it illegal to yell theatre in a crowded firehouse?). Again, threatening a group without being specific is legal, even if barely, unless the theat is being acted out in some manner. Threatening an individual can be illegal but isn't usually enforced because it depends on the circumstances. How many times have you told someone "I'm gonna kill you!" while laughing? VS telling someone you're going to kill them while holding a gun? One gets a laugh from your buddy, the gets you jail time. We've all heard the Klukkers make threats for years but they rarely act (although they used to). On the other hand the Neo-Nazis (generalizing here) will almost always carry out a threat of violence against a group or person.

It almost always depends on who said it and where the treats take place. The fringe groups are just getting more press now, not that anything has really changed for them, although it seems they miss the hypocrisy in claiming to hate "those goddamn sand attractive and successful African-Americans" but support the terrorism coming from those they despise. Very strange but no one has ever said the fringe groups make any sense whatever.
 
2001-10-29 06:29:23 PM  
The 'fire in a crowded theater' thing only works because it is a clear and present danger..

like exhorting a mob to go burn and loot..

I, however, can tell you people to go burn and loot and it's perfectly accepted, as there's not much chance of it..

free speech (even violent speech) is still widely protected.
 
2001-10-29 07:58:07 PM  
I'm confused, someone, hold me.
 
2001-10-29 11:26:02 PM  
You know whats kinda ironic, all these white supremecy groups which talk about killing arabic people and not letting their daughters marry an arabic person, are missing a very vital thing. Arabic and all people of middle eastern decent are technically caucasian (sp?), or in other words, "white". This just goes to prove how ignorant and uneducated some of the idiots in the country are. I still think that the entire world will never be at peace until the ideas of race and religion are completely gone from our though process. But since that will never happen, there will always be hate and the never ending strugle to see who can kill the most people in the name of god.
 
2001-10-30 08:50:34 PM  
im a white male, and i just wanted to say, if you live in america, and support terrorist in any form, nomatter if they kill blacks, jews, whites or whatever, you should get the fark out of our country
 
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