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(Some Guy)   Scott Walker: Step 1) pass voter ID law in Wisconsin, Step 2) close the DMV offices in Democratic areas, Step 3) Profit   (htrnews.com) divider line 235
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2011-07-25 07:10:21 PM
You know, maybe you should rethink your message if you have to go through the gyrations of disenfranchising votors who might disagree with you.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-07-25 07:11:46 PM
The recently enacted state budget requires that DMV driver license and ID card services be offered in all 72 counties at least 20 hours a week.

If Wisconsin's counties are like most states', they are highly disparate in population and the thinly settled counties are more Republican, and those counties are now guaranteed 20 hours per week of DMV service which the Democratic counties would have had naturally.
 
2011-07-25 07:15:29 PM
The state DMV guy may be correct, and there is no politics in play. Maybe they really are taking the most technically effecient placement of DMV offices.

BUT, as with anything even remotely related to politics, it's all about optics. Even if your reasoning is totally sound and logical, if it looks like you're closing offices in Dem districts to expand hours in GOP districts, when your state is already as polarized as hell, then to the public, that's exactly what you're doing.
 
2011-07-25 07:16:36 PM

SurfaceTension: You know, maybe you should rethink your message if you have to go through the gyrations of disenfranchising votors who might disagree with you.


Yeah, but the only people who don't have a problem for this are going to vote Republican anyway. They think disenfranchising people is a good thing. The GOP wants as few people voting as possible, and only the right people.
 
2011-07-25 07:17:12 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: it's all about optics.


God I hate that f*cking phrase. Can we not just say "It's all about voters' perceptions"? or something similar.

Because unless public policy has a focal length and an index of refraction, it's not f*cking about optics.
 
2011-07-25 07:17:20 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The state DMV guy may be correct, and there is no politics in play.


Considering everything else Walker has proposed, this is all about politics.
 
2011-07-25 07:17:53 PM

ZAZ: The recently enacted state budget requires that DMV driver license and ID card services be offered in all 72 counties at least 20 hours a week.

If Wisconsin's counties are like most states', they are highly disparate in population and the thinly settled counties are more Republican, and those counties are now guaranteed 20 hours per week of DMV service which the Democratic counties would have had naturally.


Shutting down the Fort Atkinson DMV would require an hour commute to get to another one. So, including wait time, that's about 3 hours minimum to get an ID. I fail to see how anyone with a job or responsibilities during the week could manage that.
 
2011-07-25 07:22:22 PM
I don't think this goes far enough. Make people take an IQ test, a drug test, a field sobriety test, perform 50 pushups and recite the Constitution from memory before they're allowed to vote.
 
2011-07-25 07:28:27 PM

adamgreeney: Shutting down the Fort Atkinson DMV would require an hour commute to get to another one. So, including wait time, that's about 3 hours minimum to get an ID. I fail to see how anyone with a job or responsibilities during the week could manage that.


The hour drive time each way is pretty bad, but 3hrs total isn't so bad, that's what it takes here in Vegas at times, and that's with a 10 minute drive to the DMV
 
2011-07-25 07:29:06 PM
If you are in politics and your name is Scott, you are probably an asshole.

Scott Walker
Governor Rick Scott
Scott Brown
 
2011-07-25 07:30:50 PM

martissimo: adamgreeney: Shutting down the Fort Atkinson DMV would require an hour commute to get to another one. So, including wait time, that's about 3 hours minimum to get an ID. I fail to see how anyone with a job or responsibilities during the week could manage that.

The hour drive time each way is pretty bad, but 3hrs total isn't so bad, that's what it takes here in Vegas at times, and that's with a 10 minute drive to the DMV


But do you have to have an ID to vote? Most DMV work can be done through mail, but not ID's. That's where this becomes unfair.
 
2011-07-25 07:42:56 PM

adamgreeney: Shutting down the Fort Atkinson DMV would require an hour commute to get to another one. So, including wait time, that's about 3 hours minimum to get an ID. I fail to see how anyone with a job or responsibilities during the week could manage that.


So not only is Walker going after the unions, now he's trying to directly disenfranchise Democratic voters. He really is a James Bond villian, isn't he? Just a bit dumber and a bit more obvious about his evil plans.
 
2011-07-25 07:45:12 PM
Also automatically disqualified from voting: anyone with a legal infraction more serious than a parking ticket, people with bad credit, and anyone who watches less than 20 hours of Fox News a week.
 
2011-07-25 07:48:41 PM

Weaver95: adamgreeney: Shutting down the Fort Atkinson DMV would require an hour commute to get to another one. So, including wait time, that's about 3 hours minimum to get an ID. I fail to see how anyone with a job or responsibilities during the week could manage that.

So not only is Walker going after the unions, now he's trying to directly disenfranchise Democratic voters. He really is a James Bond villian, isn't he? Just a bit dumber and a bit more obvious about his evil plans.


I grew up in that area of Wisconsin, and it's a very rural area, but strongly Democratic. Yet the other area mentioned is very conservative, and has a number of DMV locations that are closer to it than Fort Atkinson does. Saying it isn't political is pure fallacy.
 
2011-07-25 07:54:58 PM
The only solution is to swarm the DMVs in GOP districts with people from out of state that have a handful of questions to ask...

That ought to put a crimp in the plans of Scott Jag Walker.
 
2011-07-25 08:05:31 PM
he's not a governor. he's a bond villain.
 
2011-07-25 08:15:28 PM

adamgreeney: Shutting down the Fort Atkinson DMV would require an hour commute to get to another one. So, including wait time, that's about 3 hours minimum to get an ID. I fail to see how anyone with a job or responsibilities during the week could manage that.


Last time I renewed my ID in WI (5 or 6 years ago) it really didn't take that long. I walked in, got my number, sat down and read 2 pages from the book I brought before I was called. I literally spent more time at the counter discussing my height, weight, eye and hair color, etc than I did waiting.

What upsets me about this is the long commute. As someone that has never driven a car (except driver's ed. almost 25 years ago) a one hour commute always turns into something much longer. You're looking at taking at least a half day off work.

I'm also pissed about the $28 that my ID costs. I'm cheap and wasn't planning on renewing mine because I don't smoke or drink, and I honestly cannot tell you the last time I've been asked to produce it in the last 5 years (even when I did drink.) But now I guess I will just so I can vote.
 
2011-07-25 08:19:53 PM

Burn_The_Plows: adamgreeney: Shutting down the Fort Atkinson DMV would require an hour commute to get to another one. So, including wait time, that's about 3 hours minimum to get an ID. I fail to see how anyone with a job or responsibilities during the week could manage that.

Last time I renewed my ID in WI (5 or 6 years ago) it really didn't take that long. I walked in, got my number, sat down and read 2 pages from the book I brought before I was called. I literally spent more time at the counter discussing my height, weight, eye and hair color, etc than I did waiting.

What upsets me about this is the long commute. As someone that has never driven a car (except driver's ed. almost 25 years ago) a one hour commute always turns into something much longer. You're looking at taking at least a half day off work.

I'm also pissed about the $28 that my ID costs. I'm cheap and wasn't planning on renewing mine because I don't smoke or drink, and I honestly cannot tell you the last time I've been asked to produce it in the last 5 years (even when I did drink.) But now I guess I will just so I can vote.


I'm hoping that someone files a suit about this being a poll tax, because it is. And you're right, the wait isn't that bad, it's the commute. The whole thing stinks.
 
2011-07-25 08:19:57 PM
A high-ranking state Department of Transportation official rejected that claim, saying the changes were based on economics, not politics

Because rich people are NEVER Republicans.
 
2011-07-25 08:47:43 PM
Next they'll shut down bus service in Democratic areas. Then after that they'll make all the roads in those districts toll roads.
 
2011-07-25 09:08:00 PM

Weaver95: He really is a James Bond villian, isn't he?


If that was the case, why isn't he dead? All Bond villains die.
 
2011-07-25 09:35:18 PM
Well duh, everything in Democratic areas costs more because socialism
 
2011-07-25 09:35:57 PM
A while ago someone made a joke about how he had descended in to cartoonish super-villainy and I laughed and laughed because that's ridiculous.

I just laughed and laughed and laugh-

Damn
 
2011-07-25 09:37:55 PM
See the villain's eyes? They're larger than the other characters'. They - insinuate a slightly skewed perspective on how they see the world. Just off normal.
Doesn't look scary.
Mm-hmm. That's what I said to my son. But he says there's always two kinds; there's the soldier villain - who fights the hero with his hands; and then there's the real threat - the brilliant and evil archenemy - who fights the hero with his mind.
 
2011-07-25 09:39:06 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If you are in politics and your name is Scott, you are probably an asshole.

Scott Walker
Governor Rick Scott
Scott Brown


Are you saying "Scott" is the new Bush?
 
2011-07-25 09:39:25 PM

Weaver95: So not only is Walker going after the unions, now he's trying to directly disenfranchise Democratic voters. He really is a James Bond villian, isn't he? Just a bit dumber and a bit more obvious about his evil plans.


Walker knows his party's days are numbered, so he has resorted to cartoon-level villainy. He's going to lose his majority in the State Senate, and he needs to do something if he wants to bring his Koch master's agenda to completion.

I doubt this will stand, though. This is definitely Justice Department territory, and if the citizens don't file suit, the Obama administration will.
 
2011-07-25 09:42:09 PM

missiv: AdolfOliverPanties: If you are in politics and your name is Scott, you are probably an asshole.

Scott Walker
Governor Rick Scott
Scott Brown

Are you saying "Scott" is the new Bush?


Scott Proctor
Scott Linebrink.

Losers. All of them.
 
2011-07-25 09:42:29 PM

GAT_00: Weaver95: He really is a James Bond villian, isn't he?

If that was the case, why isn't he dead? All Bond villains die.


Blofeld never died as far as I know. And he was the villain in like 6 or 7 movies. Here's a clip of his cat saying get me the fark out of here. Link (new window)
 
2011-07-25 09:43:02 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If you are in politics and your name is Scott, you are probably an asshole.

Scott Walker
Governor Rick Scott
Scott Brown


Scott Chamberlain
Scott M. Nixon
John Scott Booth
King Scott XVI
Adolf Scottler
 
2011-07-25 09:43:11 PM
Scott walker is a douche. Also, Is there an Obama speech thread coming up?
 
2011-07-25 09:43:15 PM

Burn_The_Plows: I'm also pissed about the $28 that my ID costs. I'm cheap and wasn't planning on renewing mine because I don't smoke or drink, and I honestly cannot tell you the last time I've been asked to produce it in the last 5 years (even when I did drink.) But now I guess I will just so I can vote.


I'm assuming that $28 dollars is for a driver's liscence, not something that's just a photo ID. How much does just that cost? Because if it's anything other than free, I don't see how that can't be considered a poll tax.
 
2011-07-25 09:44:18 PM

bulldg4life: missiv: AdolfOliverPanties: If you are in politics and your name is Scott, you are probably an asshole.

Scott Walker
Governor Rick Scott
Scott Brown

Are you saying "Scott" is the new Bush?

Scott Proctor
Scott Linebrink.

Losers. All of them.


Scott Perez. His real name is Oliver but I am gonna pretend his name was Scott for these purposes.
 
2011-07-25 09:44:31 PM
FTFA: "One Democratic lawmaker said Friday it appeared the decisions were based on politics, with the department targeting offices for closure in Democratic areas and expanding hours for those in Republican districts."

and yet..

"Department officials briefed both Republican and Democratic lawmakers who represent areas affected by the closures this week. Newson said no final decisions have been made, but they plan to implement the changes starting in January. The department released a list of 16 offices that may close and another nine that may get expanded hours, but did not say where new offices may be located."

Those ANIMALS!

In other news, politicians say inflammatory stuff about the other side all the time.
 
2011-07-25 09:44:49 PM
Fascism: Coming to a Wisconsin near yIT'S HERE
 
2011-07-25 09:45:22 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If you are in politics and your name is Scott, you are probably an asshole.

Scott Walker
Governor Rick Scott
Scott Brown


I've got nothing against Scott Brown. He's a moderate Republican who sometimes bucks his party on certain issues. I can't fault a guy like that.
 
2011-07-25 09:45:23 PM

skullkrusher: Scott Perez. His real name is Oliver but I am gonna pretend his name was Scott for these purposes.


Scott Cobb
Marge Scott?
 
2011-07-25 09:45:33 PM

Karac: Burn_The_Plows: I'm also pissed about the $28 that my ID costs. I'm cheap and wasn't planning on renewing mine because I don't smoke or drink, and I honestly cannot tell you the last time I've been asked to produce it in the last 5 years (even when I did drink.) But now I guess I will just so I can vote.

I'm assuming that $28 dollars is for a driver's liscence, not something that's just a photo ID. How much does just that cost? Because if it's anything other than free, I don't see how that can't be considered a poll tax.


I don't see how anything but 100% mail in ballots can't be considered a poll tax
 
2011-07-25 09:45:52 PM
It's funny because unless he gets caught banging a hooker, he will get away with it and become a millionaire lobbyist after his term is over.
 
2011-07-25 09:46:14 PM

bulldg4life: skullkrusher: Scott Perez. His real name is Oliver but I am gonna pretend his name was Scott for these purposes.

Scott Cobb
Marge Scott?


Scottdg4life
 
2011-07-25 09:48:05 PM
How dare you compare me to Scott Proctor
 
2011-07-25 09:48:32 PM

Karac: Burn_The_Plows: I'm also pissed about the $28 that my ID costs. I'm cheap and wasn't planning on renewing mine because I don't smoke or drink, and I honestly cannot tell you the last time I've been asked to produce it in the last 5 years (even when I did drink.) But now I guess I will just so I can vote.

I'm assuming that $28 dollars is for a driver's liscence, not something that's just a photo ID. How much does just that cost? Because if it's anything other than free, I don't see how that can't be considered a poll tax.


Nor do I. I seriously hope the state will be willing to pay for Voter ID. I find these measures disturbing, and always have.

Ironically voter ID measures seem to invariably be brought by people who would scream "welfare! tax and spend!" if it was suggested that the state pay for eligible voters to obtain ID. The screeching retort is that "everybody can afford $30 for an ID" -- well, no, they can't, and even if they could, aren't these people ostensibly against government regulations that force private citizens to spend money, especially forcing them to spend money to exercise their rights?

Ugh, I can't get my head around crap like this.
 
2011-07-25 09:48:35 PM

skullkrusher: Karac: Burn_The_Plows: I'm also pissed about the $28 that my ID costs. I'm cheap and wasn't planning on renewing mine because I don't smoke or drink, and I honestly cannot tell you the last time I've been asked to produce it in the last 5 years (even when I did drink.) But now I guess I will just so I can vote.

I'm assuming that $28 dollars is for a driver's liscence, not something that's just a photo ID. How much does just that cost? Because if it's anything other than free, I don't see how that can't be considered a poll tax.

I don't see how anything but 100% mail in ballots can't be considered a poll tax


Every mail-in ballot I've ever filled out had pre-paid postage.
 
2011-07-25 09:49:47 PM
The biggest issue is less the ID. It is less the closing of the offices in Democratic areas and opening offices in Republican areas. The issue is the timing of the two.

They passed a law requiring ID's for voting. (this means an increase in demand for ID's). At the same time the closing offices in Democratic areas.

For many people without access to a car, and guess what there is no public transportation between Fort Atkinson and Watertown (the best they could probably do is possibly a park and ride somewhere near by, then a bus probably to the location in Madison, so really that would be a full day's trip) the ID and the closing of the office is a pretty big deal.


(I think a lot of places were waiving the fee for an ID for a while).
 
2011-07-25 09:53:01 PM
Scott Tenorman
 
2011-07-25 09:55:34 PM
ftfa: "The recently enacted state budget requires that DMV driver license and ID card services be offered in all 72 counties at least 20 hours a week. Currently, only 30 counties have offices that meet that 20-hour requirement.

Once the changes are made, there will be 625 more hours of DMV service to the public a week, or about 32,000 hours more a year, said Kristina Boardman, the department's director of field services who is overseeing the plan."


oh yeah, that is bad.
 
2011-07-25 09:55:34 PM
Every election, everywhere in the country, the strategies are :

Republicans - challenge votes, suppress voters, scare them away from the polls, remove them from the rolls (legally or not), lying robocalls, etc.

Democrats - get out the vote, register them, bus them, phone them up, drive them, encourage them, etc.

Tells you everything you need to know.
 
2011-07-25 09:55:44 PM

RexTalionis: Every mail-in ballot I've ever filled out had pre-paid postage.


No one should ever be denied the right o go into a polling place and cast their vote for any monetary reason. If someone has to pay as much as $0.01 for gas/bus/any expense to obtain the ID to vote, it is a poll tax and the ID is rendered unconstitutional by violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

This shiat is unsat and should not stand!
 
2011-07-25 09:59:33 PM

NewportBarGuy: RexTalionis: Every mail-in ballot I've ever filled out had pre-paid postage.

No one should ever be denied the right o go into a polling place and cast their vote for any monetary reason. If someone has to pay as much as $0.01 for gas/bus/any expense to obtain the ID to vote, it is a poll tax and the ID is rendered unconstitutional by violating the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

This shiat is unsat and should not stand!


Not sure how that's relevant to my statement about pre-paid postage, but okay.
 
2011-07-25 10:00:11 PM

Ball Sack Obama: FTFA: "One Democratic lawmaker said Friday it appeared the decisions were based on politics, with the department targeting offices for closure in Democratic areas and expanding hours for those in Republican districts."

and yet..

"Department officials briefed both Republican and Democratic lawmakers who represent areas affected by the closures this week. Newson said no final decisions have been made, but they plan to implement the changes starting in January. The department released a list of 16 offices that may close and another nine that may get expanded hours, but did not say where new offices may be located."

Those ANIMALS!

In other news, politicians say inflammatory stuff about the other side all the time.


So a democratic lawmaker lies to get the minions riled up. Is anyone supprised that it worked? (especialy here)

/I know, I know... water is wet.
 
2011-07-25 10:01:09 PM

RexTalionis: Not sure how that's relevant to my statement about pre-paid postage, but okay.


Well, you seem to be ok with a mail-in ballot. I'm just saying someone should not have to settle for that avenue if they want to go and cast a vote at their designated polling place.
 
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