76 people he killed?

Is there some kind of exchange rate for dead people between England and the rest of Europe?

I think the father should get to fire the first shot when they put this f*cker up at the wall.

You brought the evil into the world, so you should get to remove it.

That's what happens when people take up Christianity. Only Jesus and Muhammed are powerful enough to make people do something like that.

We need more threads about this guy.

basemetal: Sometimes you should listen to your parents.

That's usually how most people become racist a-holes

It's easy to say "I'll never have have any contact with him again" if you haven't had any for years anyway. The article goes on to state that he lost contact with his son when his son was in his teens.

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

doubled99: We need more threads about this guy.

At least NewsCorp is out of the news cycle. Don't worry, it'll be back once an investigation ends.

I imagine most of Fark would react similarly to this father.

gshepnyc: It's easy to say "I'll never have have any contact with him again" if you haven't had any for years anyway. The article goes on to state that he lost contact with his son when his son was in his teens.

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

EXACTLY.

ArtosRC: I think the father should get to fire the first shot when they put this f*cker up at the wall.

You brought the evil into the world, so you should get to remove it.

He will serve 21 years in jail for what he did. That's the maximum the Norwegian law allows.

b) "He was such a nice quiet boy"

John David Stutts?

gshepnyc: It's easy to say "I'll never have have any contact with him again" if you haven't had any for years anyway. The article goes on to state that he lost contact with his son when his son was in his teens.

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

The article also said that he lost a custody battle over the kid at a young age. It seems like the son is the one with the issue here.

Oh, INSTEAD OF...

Normally people off themselves after their spree. Or so I'm led to believe.

Before I RTA, I thought "Good on him." After I RTA, I thought his whole presentation was an "All about me" diatribe.

I feel bad for the guy. He seems to be an ordinary person but will forever be remembered as the father of a mass murderer

Norwegians.... born to kill... deprive them of that ability in a reasonable humane manner and the results are horrific.

Rent Party: He will serve 21 years in jail for what he did. That's the maximum the Norwegian law allows.

That's not justice. That's spitting in the eye of justice.

/I don't usually advocate vengeance judgements
//But when I do, I prefer the death penalty

gshepnyc:

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

Agreed, the father really came off as a narcissist in this article.

This father is an asshole. He basically disowned his son when he was in his teens, and now he is saying he'll never have contact with him? Guess what, you already had zero contact with him. Who knows, perhaps if he had a father who was halfway decent to him, this would have never happened. There is clearly no excuse for abandoning your son when he is still a teenager. Now he is mad that he'll have to live with the shame? Bastard should have already been living with the shame long before this incident.

Also, telling your own son to kill himself? This dude is callous.

It also never ceases to amaze me how everyone is getting in a hissy over this. Of course, everyone should be pissed, but why weren't people equally pissed when our entire country invaded another country, resulting in the deaths of a conservative estimate of one hundred thousand Iraqi civilians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

We've killed far more innocents than this guy ever has.

FTA: Mr Breivik split from Anders' mother, Wenche Behring, when Anders was aged one. He lost a custody battle to raise his son in France and then lost contact with Anders when he was a teenager.

Seems to me like the courts screwed the pooch on that one. Though, I suppose, we can't know how he would have turned out if raised by his dad... perhaps he would have been even worse (though I cannot think of too many ways that would be possible).

Rent Party:
He will serve 21 years in jail for what he did. That's the maximum the Norwegian law allows.

I'm interested to see what they do in this case. Will they stick to the 21 years max rule in this case or make an exception? It's hard to imagine a scenario where letting this guy back on the street would not pose a danger to the general public

ark2612: gshepnyc: It's easy to say "I'll never have have any contact with him again" if you haven't had any for years anyway. The article goes on to state that he lost contact with his son when his son was in his teens.

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

The article also said that he lost a custody battle over the kid at a young age. It seems like the son is the one with the issue here.

The mom might be 100% weapons grade crazy and farked up the raising aspect. Still though as the father you should be involved somehow.

/sounds like dad cashed the fark out back when his son was a teenager and retired to France
//so the dad isn't going to win any parenting awards anytime soon

gshepnyc: It's easy to say "I'll never have have any contact with him again" if you haven't had any for years anyway. The article goes on to state that he lost contact with his son when his son was in his teens.

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

Pretty much. As nice as it is that he's not defending his son is, maybe he should stop and consider if forsaking his teenage son might have farked him up in the head a little bit.

pesamystik: This father is an asshole. He basically disowned his son when he was in his teens, and now he is saying he'll never have contact with him? Guess what, you already had zero contact with him. Who knows, perhaps if he had a father who was halfway decent to him, this would have never happened. There is clearly no excuse for abandoning your son when he is still a teenager. Now he is mad that he'll have to live with the shame? Bastard should have already been living with the shame long before this incident.

Also, telling your own son to kill himself? This dude is callous.

But we don't know why it is that he lost contact. I'm surprised he actually did an interview, I would have gone into hiding and pretended that I had never had a son at that point, in all likelihood. Yes, perhaps he should have tried harder to stay in contact, but his son should have also, and a variety of other ways we can spread the blame around.

RepoManTSM: gshepnyc: It's easy to say "I'll never have have any contact with him again" if you haven't had any for years anyway. The article goes on to state that he lost contact with his son when his son was in his teens.

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

Pretty much. As nice as it is that he's not defending his son is, maybe he should stop and consider if forsaking his teenage son might have farked him up in the head a little bit.

It is never "nice" for a father not to defend his flesh and blood. If he had any defense at all for his son I might have have some mitigating sympathy. If someone you love (or are supposed to love) does something horrible and you can't sacrifice some little bit of yourself to be perhaps the only one to say something -anything - on their behalf, what kind of person are you?

pesamystik: This father is an asshole. He basically disowned his son when he was in his teens, and now he is saying he'll never have contact with him? Guess what, you already had zero contact with him. Who knows, perhaps if he had a father who was halfway decent to him, this would have never happened. There is clearly no excuse for abandoning your son when he is still a teenager. Now he is mad that he'll have to live with the shame? Bastard should have already been living with the shame long before this incident.

Also, telling your own son to kill himself? This dude is callous.

It also never ceases to amaze me how everyone is getting in a hissy over this. Of course, everyone should be pissed, but why weren't people equally pissed when our entire country invaded another country, resulting in the deaths of a conservative estimate of one hundred thousand Iraqi civilians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

We've killed far more innocents than this guy ever has.

You might be a troll but I'll bite, I didn't read anything in the article that said he abandoned his son. It said he lost contact, there are plenty of scenarios where that could have happened without abandonment. If he lost custody he cared enough to fight for custody. In an excerpt from the manifesto I read last night the shooter mentions that all custody cases should be awarded by default to the father. In the context of his life that seems to make sense now.

I'm not even bothering with the derp of the last part. If you can't care about a camp of children being slaughtered and understand why that would make people upset then you're the callous one.

maybe they will put him in this very nice prison: Link (new window)

Rent Party: ArtosRC: I think the father should get to fire the first shot when they put this f*cker up at the wall.

You brought the evil into the world, so you should get to remove it.

He will serve 21 years in jail for what he did. That's the maximum the Norwegian law allows.

What?! Seriously?

drkdstryer: Rent Party: ArtosRC: I think the father should get to fire the first shot when they put this f*cker up at the wall.

You brought the evil into the world, so you should get to remove it.

He will serve 21 years in jail for what he did. That's the maximum the Norwegian law allows.

There are provisions in Norwegian law that can hold people permanently if there are of a severe risk to society. If you think that he won't be held under those provisions and will only be in jail for 21 years, I don't know what to tell you.

THIS

goddammit NPR didn't even bother to mention that yesterday.

the father is an ex-diplomat who has been under police protection since the attacks. personally, i would not assume that the statements he has made were made without advice from counter-terrorism experts.

gshepnyc: RepoManTSM: gshepnyc: It's easy to say "I'll never have have any contact with him again" if you haven't had any for years anyway. The article goes on to state that he lost contact with his son when his son was in his teens.

Guess what, dad - you're an asshole too. Just not the same kind of asshole your son is.

Pretty much. As nice as it is that he's not defending his son is, maybe he should stop and consider if forsaking his teenage son might have farked him up in the head a little bit.

It is never "nice" for a father not to defend his flesh and blood. If he had any defense at all for his son I might have have some mitigating sympathy. If someone you love (or are supposed to love) does something horrible and you can't sacrifice some little bit of yourself to be perhaps the only one to say something -anything - on their behalf, what kind of person are you?

That's a very open-ended question. For some, the answer would be indifference. For others, I think the answer would involve a complicated mix of honor, shame, and the family name. For yet others, the answer may be more complicated or less. It changes for every situation.

In the end, you may love your crotchfruit, but the only one required to love unconditionally is God (Catholic version, not too sure about the other Christian variants). If something they do crosses the line of what you consider acceptable, you are able to react within your rights as a parent, up to and including disowning them.

/prays to never face such a situation

Copper Spork: That's what happens when people take up Christianity. Only Jesus and Muhammed are powerful enough to make people do something like that.

"As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings." ~ Anders Behring Breivik

He sounds like one of your boys.

ArtosRC: Rent Party: He will serve 21 years in jail for what he did. That's the maximum the Norwegian law allows.

That's not justice. That's spitting in the eye of justice.

/I don't usually advocate vengeance judgements
//But when I do, I prefer the death penalty

I agree with you, but it is what it is.

Perhaps they could have him do 21 years for each victim, and have him serve them consecutively.

Frankly, I think they aught to bring back a firing squad, and let him wear his little uniform.

Rent Party: He will serve 21 years in jail for what he did. That's the maximum the Norwegian law allows.

21 years * 76 people killed... seems fair.

Even if Norwegian law doesn't work that way, they could at least have separate charges (with consecutive sentences) for the bombing and the camp, right?

pesamystik: This father is an asshole. He basically disowned his son when he was in his teens, and now he is saying he'll never have contact with him? Guess what, you already had zero contact with him. Who knows, perhaps if he had a father who was halfway decent to him, this would have never happened. There is clearly no excuse for abandoning your son when he is still a teenager. Now he is mad that he'll have to live with the shame? Bastard should have already been living with the shame long before this incident.

Also, telling your own son to kill himself? This dude is callous.

It also never ceases to amaze me how everyone is getting in a hissy over this. Of course, everyone should be pissed, but why weren't people equally pissed when our entire country invaded another country, resulting in the deaths of a conservative estimate of one hundred thousand Iraqi civilians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

We've killed far more innocents than this guy ever has.

How is the father to blame? The mother kept himout of the kid's life in a custody battle. He wasn't allowed to be there and lost contact.

Welcome me to Fark.. but there is so much judgement being piled onto the father here, it's surprising.

The guy lost a custody battle when the kid was a toddler. He lived in a different country. When the kid was a teen, the father lost contact. If you think it is easy to stay in contact with a teenager living in a different country, you haven't raised a teenager in your own home! It was likely that, being a teenager, the kid didn't want to be in contact with his father and the father finally gave up. Yeah, that's speculation on my part, but having raised a few teens, I have a little perspective on the likelyhood of a teen being real thrilled with weekly phone calls or summer visits to the absent parent.

Maybe the guy is a douche.. but to me, the article is about distancing himself from the nutjob that his son became, which yeah, that's self-preservation. I can't blame him, he's getting death threats, has the country's government watching out for him and trying to keep him safe from the other extreme's nutjobs coming after HIM. It doesn't reflect on what kind of father he was, other than that he regrets that his son did what he did and wishes he would have just offed himself instead of killing innocent people the way he did. I'd wish the same thing if it was my son or family member and I'll say that loudly and publicly. Every time something like this happens, I make it known that the person should have just taken their own life. The guy who kills his kids because he's miserable and jealous of his ex-wife's new life? Yeah, he should just off himself. The woman who drowns her kids because she's overwhelmed? Drop the kids off at a fire station and go drown yourself. This is the same thing and there's nothing wrong with the father stating that he wishes his son hadn't done this horrible thing.