Sticky Hands: Pollexabator: Smeggy Smurf: I never understood strip clubs. For the same price I can get a coffee and donut while being ignored by the same-kind-of-ugly gal behind the counter

Yeah, but you could also be storing up sexual frustration while paying to see her terrible body. Plus, she'll pretend that she loves you while ignoring you. The more you pay her, the harder she'll pretend.

/never really got it either
//if prostitution was legal would strip clubs disappear overnight?

Prostitution is legal in Nevada, there are also a lot of strip clubs there.
Could be that one feed the other, or that they are not a related as one might think.
Could just be a matter of different strokes for different folks.

As a married guy, I can honestly say I don't really want to go around farking prostitutes. That being said, having some drinks with a few friends at a strip club and seeing some fresh ta-tas is, for me, what purse shopping is for my wife... good clean fun.

Yomoxu: no booze

No booze? I ain't goin'. And if I'm already there, I ain't stayin'.

/What is this I don't even

Fuggin Bizzy: Yomoxu: no booze

No booze? I ain't goin'. And if I'm already there, I ain't stayin'.

/What is this I don't even

Sounds like NY or CA.

As a female who has gone with her boss and co-worker to a strip club for the hell of it (yes, I'm a farking weirdo, why do you ask?). Strip clubs are kind of a mystery to me.

You can't touch them, they don't really have much that's interesting to say, the music and food generally sucks (with the exception of booze). Is it really worth parting with whole stacks of dollar bills to just look at at a stranger's boobs? And in this day of the internet, craigslist and 'escort' services I'm sure you could the same or more for far less $$$.

gerrymander: DeaH: Not so cool story sis time:

I was driving home listening to the local rock station when a commercial for one of the local strip clubs came on. In the commercial, a guy was taking his date home, and she wouldn't invite him in. He stood outside her door screaming about dropping over seventy bucks on dinner and a movie to end up getting nothing. Well, he was wise to everything now. He was going to go to the strip club where he could really get something for his money!

Immediately after that commercial, several things occurred to me. First, though I have always been aware that there is a type of man who thinks of dating as a form of legalized prostitution, I never hear it expressed so blatantly and reinforced in a commercial.

Women so frequently get this wrong.

A date is a specific form of interpersonal interaction. It consists of conversation, entertainment, and affection. The specific amounts of each may vary, but if any part of the three is missing entirely, it is not a date. A man complaining that there was no affection component after paying for dinner is not asserting that dating is legal prostitution, he is objecting to being lied to about the nature of the evening.

(Test it yourself. What do you call an evening with a guy who comes over for only for sex and talk? How about a guy who you slept with and bought dinner for, but only grunted instead of talking? Would you consider either a date? Would you be bothered if the guy in each case insisted the events would be a date, but that's all you got?)

Second, I thought that the kind of guy in this commercial would not be satisfied to just look at girls in their bathing suits or nighties (in the state where I live, if a place sells alcohol, the dancers must have their breast covered).

Which leads us to the strip club part. It is also not dating, because even though it's about receiving getting conversation, entertainment, and affection, all are in limited amounts from a paid agent. The women are paid to chat a bit, writhe around nearly- or all-naked, and treat the men as though they are desirable. It is an act -- but it's an act the guy buys into upfront and willingly. He gets to make that choice at the outset, based on full knowledge of the situation.

(Again, test for yourself: Did you assume the woman in the ad told the guy upfront that there would be only dinner and conversation at the start of the evening? Why or why not?)

So you're suggesting that a man should expect affection regardless of whether or not the woman enjoyed the dinner and conversation? You're also suggesting that affection is implied with the acceptance of a date?

I'm a guy who did a lot of dating before I got married and I can say that there were quite a few dates where one or both of us realized after dinner and conversation that there was nothing there to be affectionate about. Are you suggesting that I was obligated to be affectionate with her when there was no attraction, or as the guy do I get to opt out where a woman is not allowed to?

Just want to say I went to a Kid Rock concert at the FedEx Forum here in Memphis earlier this year. Guy puts on a hell of a show. Would totally recommend it.

CSB: Two drunk drinks who came in drunk and continued to drink (not the "hot drunk chick" kind, but the "that shirt is entirely too small for your rolls and you don't care to even TRY to pull it down because you're drunk" kind) had this catty fight in the box next to us and they had to get security in there to break them up. These were box seats, mind you. If you can't find class in the box seats, you really think you're gonna find it in the strippers begging to be on stage? *shrug*

Frickin' great show, though.

He totally ripped them off. They were the originals!

Kid rock fans fall somewhere between toby keith fans and ICP fans.

This is why the dollar coin will NEVER catch on.

dogdaze: I've caught him on Piers Morgan and the Daily Show and both times he comes across and down to Earth and pretty biz savvy. I have also seen some skank strippers in my day and w/ the money he's likely paying them, he deserves better. It's about image and all.

Yeah, that's it. He knows what sells. farking whore. He strapped a rocket engine on the ocean liner that humans are using in the race to the bottom.

Ronin_S: As a female who has gone with her boss and co-worker to a strip club for the hell of it (yes, I'm a farking weirdo, why do you ask?). Strip clubs are kind of a mystery to me.

You can't touch them, they don't really have much that's interesting to say, the music and food generally sucks (with the exception of booze). Is it really worth parting with whole stacks of dollar bills to just look at at a stranger's boobs? And in this day of the internet, craigslist and 'escort' services I'm sure you could the same or more for far less $$$.

Openly ooogling real naked women, while they gratuitously display and gyrate themselves for you, and encourage you to stare can be fun.

Guys also have short attention spans, so having a variety of women who display themselves for you ever few minutes is also nice.

Any guy who tells you how he apprecaites the dancer's actual dance moves and pole work is a weirdo. I would stay away from him.

Guys go to strip joints to see T&A.

squirrelflavoredyogurt:
So you're suggesting that a man should expect affection regardless of whether or not the woman enjoyed the dinner and conversation? You're also suggesting that affection is implied with the acceptance of a date?

I'm a guy who did a lot of dating before I got married and I can say that there were quite a few dates where one or both of us realized after dinner and conversation that there was nothing there to be affectionate about. Are you suggesting that I was obligated to be affectionate with her when there was no attraction, or as the guy do I get to opt out where a woman is not allowed to?

You have it exactly backwards. You pay for an expensive meal, usually see a movie that you'd never see on your own, then you get laid. If you fail to get laid, then either you failed to entertain her enough or she's a tease. The "get to know each other" part comes before the dinner date. Perhaps over coffee or something.
If you take her to dinner for the first date, she's going to expect you to top that before getting in bed with you.

gerrymander: DeaH: Not so cool story sis time:

I was driving home listening to the local rock station when a commercial for one of the local strip clubs came on. In the commercial, a guy was taking his date home, and she wouldn't invite him in. He stood outside her door screaming about dropping over seventy bucks on dinner and a movie to end up getting nothing. Well, he was wise to everything now. He was going to go to the strip club where he could really get something for his money!

Immediately after that commercial, several things occurred to me. First, though I have always been aware that there is a type of man who thinks of dating as a form of legalized prostitution, I never hear it expressed so blatantly and reinforced in a commercial.

Women so frequently get this wrong.

A date is a specific form of interpersonal interaction. It consists of conversation, entertainment, and affection. The specific amounts of each may vary, but if any part of the three is missing entirely, it is not a date. A man complaining that there was no affection component after paying for dinner is not asserting that dating is legal prostitution, he is objecting to being lied to about the nature of the evening.

(Test it yourself. What do you call an evening with a guy who comes over for only for sex and talk? How about a guy who you slept with and bought dinner for, but only grunted instead of talking? Would you consider either a date? Would you be bothered if the guy in each case insisted the events would be a date, but that's all you got?)

Second, I thought that the kind of guy in this commercial would not be satisfied to just look at girls in their bathing suits or nighties (in the state where I live, if a place sells alcohol, the dancers must have their breast covered).

Which leads us to the strip club part. It is also not dating, because even though it's about receiving getting conversation, entertainment, and affection, all are in limited amounts from a paid agent. The women are paid to chat a bit, writhe around nearly- or all-naked, and treat the men as though they are desirable. It is an act -- but it's an act the guy buys into upfront and willingly. He gets to make that choice at the outset, based on full knowledge of the situation.

(Again, test for yourself: Did you assume the woman in the ad told the guy upfront that there would be only dinner and conversation at the start of the evening? Why or why not?)

I am a devotee of Miss Manner's date formula:

(Date=food+entertainment+affection) - note that conversation is not an isolated element

But, as Miss Manner's points out, the amounts of each thing vary, depending on the progress of the relationship.

In the early stages, the food and entertainment may take up the majority of the date, with the affection limited to smiles, shy glances, or hands touching. In latter stages, the affection can actually become the entertainment, but the food is even more necessary (if the affection is truly entertaining to both parties.) One hope that the conversation would also be entertaining, and I suspect that if it isn't, there won't be a lot of affection.

Honestly, if I gave any thought to the date at all, I just assumed that the date would be one where the woman regrets agreeing to go out and is counting the minutes until its end. She should have had a friend set up to call her to give her an emergency out.

squirrelflavoredyogurt: So you're suggesting that a man should expect affection regardless of whether or not the woman enjoyed the dinner and conversation? You're also suggesting that affection is implied with the acceptance of a date?

I'm a guy who did a lot of dating before I got married and I can say that there were quite a few dates where one or both of us realized after dinner and conversation that there was nothing there to be affectionate about. Are you suggesting that I was obligated to be affectionate with her when there was no attraction, or as the guy do I get to opt out where a woman is not allowed to?

I suggest nothing. I'm stating that as soon as one of the two people has decided that some form of affection is off the agenda list, it is no longer a "date", and different rules apply. Rules like "don't lead the other person on", and "carry your own weight".

In a woman's case as per the ad, that meant not going out at all, or paying half the dinner tab and taking a cab home, or refusing to be walked to the door -- depending upon when the disinterest was realized. Continuing to accept preferential treatment after that realization is dishonest and deceitful.

In the cases you outlined above, it means not walking the woman to the doorstep, not saying "I'll call you", and not otherwise leading her on.

The obligation is not in becoming physical, but rather in responsibly treating the other person as an adult, with adult needs and expectations. It's OK not to want to meet all of another person's needs. It's not OK to presume that you don't need to meet any of them.

grinding_journalist Quote 2011-07-25 12:52:15 PM
spacemanjones: You were not doing well. The strippers you were paying to sit at your table were doing well. You, it turns out, are a sap.

Am I? I was the bachelor, I didn't spend a dime of my own cash that night.

Yes you are. If you actually think Kid Rock was giving you the thumbs up for doing "well" with strippers then you are an even bigger sap that I previously thought.

And the fact that you were bragging about it on Fark, well, that's just sad. That fact that you didnt spend a dime of your own cash doesnt make a difference.

DeaH: I am a devotee of Miss Manner's date formula:

(Date=food+entertainment+affection) - note that conversation is not an isolated element

I think that's one of the (very) rare cases where Miss Manners has it wrong -- not much wrong, but still. My take is that adults have three basic types of interpersonal needs to be met: intellectual, emotional, and sexual. Both food and entertainment are intellectual; they mainly provide external stimuli to bring into a shared experience. Conversation -- the act of conversing, not any topic as such -- mostly promotes an emotional connection wholly experienced as shared. And lastly, affection brings sexual attention to the forefront.

Food nourishes a human need, but not necessarily an adult, interpersonal one, which is why I don't think it should be it's own category. Doing so is as silly as saying a date must be indoors to protect from the elements. Those things are a different rung on Maslow's hierarchy, as it were.

gerrymander: Food nourishes a human need, but not necessarily an adult, interpersonal one, which is why I don't think it should be it's own category. Doing so is as silly as saying a date must be indoors to protect from the elements. Those things are a different rung on Maslow's hierarchy, as it were.

I would consider food and entertainment to be the same thing on a date. It's something you're going to do together. Whether that be rollerblading or eating a meal. Or both. It's still the thing you're doing.

spacemanjones: grinding_journalist Quote 2011-07-25 12:52:15 PM
spacemanjones: You were not doing well. The strippers you were paying to sit at your table were doing well. You, it turns out, are a sap.

Am I? I was the bachelor, I didn't spend a dime of my own cash that night.

Yes you are. If you actually think Kid Rock was giving you the thumbs up for doing "well" with strippers then you are an even bigger sap that I previously thought.

And the fact that you were bragging about it on Fark, well, that's just sad. That fact that you didnt spend a dime of your own cash doesnt make a difference.


Actually I think you just didn't understand what Kid Rock was saying. He was basically just saying that it looked like they were having a good night, and it certainly sounds like they did.

It was merely an amusing anecdote he was sharing with his Fark brethren, and I was amused. Maybe instead of trying to pedantically nitpick at the poor guy you could instead spend all of that energy pulling the redwood-sized stick out of your ass.

Worst stripper story ever. At a club in Nashville with 8 co-workers (one a lady). Of course the good looking strippers flock to our female co-worker and I am left with grandma. Who proceeds to dig at her crotch with the fierceness of jackhammer. You could almost see the crabs leaping from her g-string.

Not a CSB

gerrymander: Both food and entertainment are intellectual

If I did not know before, I would definitely know you're male based on that statement. Food, for women, is definitely emotional. And sometimes, it's sexual, too. At the very least, it's sensual.

I used to travel as a SME with salesman. I remember one salesman telling me that, for men, he'd take them to strip clubs to get them in the mood to say yes. If the decision maker was a woman, he's take her to a restaurant with rich food and decadent desserts. Miss Manners and I are both women. Food is important.

And, as some who dated a number of men back in the day, I never really noticed that conversation was that high on the male hierarchy. That is, unless you count the female nodding her head and saying, "You're so right," during a lull in the male's pontificating. Perhaps things have changed in the couple of decades since my prime dating years.

mongbiohazard: spacemanjones: grinding_journalist Quote 2011-07-25 12:52:15 PM
spacemanjones: You were not doing well. The strippers you were paying to sit at your table were doing well. You, it turns out, are a sap.

Am I? I was the bachelor, I didn't spend a dime of my own cash that night.

Yes you are. If you actually think Kid Rock was giving you the thumbs up for doing "well" with strippers then you are an even bigger sap that I previously thought.

And the fact that you were bragging about it on Fark, well, that's just sad. That fact that you didnt spend a dime of your own cash doesnt make a difference.


Actually I think you just didn't understand what Kid Rock was saying. He was basically just saying that it looked like they were having a good night, and it certainly sounds like they did.

It was merely an amusing anecdote he was sharing with his Fark brethren, and I was amused. Maybe instead of trying to pedantically nitpick at the poor guy you could instead spend all of that energy pulling the redwood-sized stick out of your ass.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Nope, still a sap!
And thanks for defending the "poor guy".

Also, my ass is stick free.

Overfiend: Worst stripper story ever. At a club in Nashville with 8 co-workers (one a lady). Of course the good looking strippers flock to our female co-worker and I am left with grandma. Who proceeds to dig at her crotch with the fierceness of jackhammer. You could almost see the crabs leaping from her g-string.

Do continue....

I don't like Kid Rock. Vomit Rock would be more appropriate....

spacemanjones: Nope, still a sap!
And thanks for defending the "poor guy".

Also, my ass is stick free.

But not very fun.

white rock star problems.

fark you, kid, send'em to my house or stop biatching. shouldn't you be farking sheryl crow or something?

DeaH: gerrymander: DeaH: Not so cool story sis time:

I was driving home listening to the local rock station when a commercial for one of the local strip clubs came on. In the commercial, a guy was taking his date home, and she wouldn't invite him in. He stood outside her door screaming about dropping over seventy bucks on dinner and a movie to end up getting nothing. Well, he was wise to everything now. He was going to go to the strip club where he could really get something for his money!

Immediately after that commercial, several things occurred to me. First, though I have always been aware that there is a type of man who thinks of dating as a form of legalized prostitution, I never hear it expressed so blatantly and reinforced in a commercial.

Women so frequently get this wrong.

A date is a specific form of interpersonal interaction. It consists of conversation, entertainment, and affection. The specific amounts of each may vary, but if any part of the three is missing entirely, it is not a date. A man complaining that there was no affection component after paying for dinner is not asserting that dating is legal prostitution, he is objecting to being lied to about the nature of the evening.

(Test it yourself. What do you call an evening with a guy who comes over for only for sex and talk? How about a guy who you slept with and bought dinner for, but only grunted instead of talking? Would you consider either a date? Would you be bothered if the guy in each case insisted the events would be a date, but that's all you got?)

Second, I thought that the kind of guy in this commercial would not be satisfied to just look at girls in their bathing suits or nighties (in the state where I live, if a place sells alcohol, the dancers must have their breast covered).

Which leads us to the strip club part. It is also not dating, because even though it's about receiving getting conversation, entertainment, and affection, all are in limited amounts from a paid agent. The women are paid to chat a bit, writhe around nearly- or all-naked, and treat the men as though they are desirable. It is an act -- but it's an act the guy buys into upfront and willingly. He gets to make that choice at the outset, based on full knowledge of the situation.

(Again, test for yourself: Did you assume the woman in the ad told the guy upfront that there would be only dinner and conversation at the start of the evening? Why or why not?)

I am a devotee of Miss Manner's date formula:

(Date=food+entertainment+affection) - note that conversation is not an isolated element

But, as Miss Manner's points out, the amounts of each thing vary, depending on the progress of the relationship.

In the early stages, the food and entertainment may take up the majority of the date, with the affection limited to smiles, shy glances, or hands touching. In latter stages, the affection can actually become the entertainment, but the food is even more necessary (if the affection is truly entertaining to both parties.) One hope that the conversation would also be entertaining, and I suspect that if it isn't, there won't be a lot of affection.

Honestly, if I gave any thought to the date at all, I just assumed that the date would be one where the woman regrets agreeing to go out and is counting the minutes until its end. She should have had a friend set up to call her to give her an emergency out.

ONLY ON FARK

Could thread originally about strippers turn into a thread about dating.


/Not complaining, mind you.

spacemanjones: mongbiohazard: spacemanjones: grinding_journalist Quote 2011-07-25 12:52:15 PM
spacemanjones: You were not doing well. The strippers you were paying to sit at your table were doing well. You, it turns out, are a sap.

Am I? I was the bachelor, I didn't spend a dime of my own cash that night.

Yes you are. If you actually think Kid Rock was giving you the thumbs up for doing "well" with strippers then you are an even bigger sap that I previously thought.

And the fact that you were bragging about it on Fark, well, that's just sad. That fact that you didnt spend a dime of your own cash doesnt make a difference.


Actually I think you just didn't understand what Kid Rock was saying. He was basically just saying that it looked like they were having a good night, and it certainly sounds like they did.

It was merely an amusing anecdote he was sharing with his Fark brethren, and I was amused. Maybe instead of trying to pedantically nitpick at the poor guy you could instead spend all of that energy pulling the redwood-sized stick out of your ass.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Nope, still a sap!
And thanks for defending the "poor guy".

Also, my ass is stick free.

I know Fark hates Kid Rock, but if this were someone different (perhaps someone you've never heard of), it would qualify for the HERO tag.

/Good on ya, Kid