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(LA Times)   Norway: A country with few violent crimes. 1.5 million guns 4.9 million people, 520 gun clubs, and the National sport is 'shooting'. Like in the US, the areas with more guns equals lower crime. But shhh keep it a secret   (latimes.com) divider line 498
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2011-07-24 09:16:02 PM  
Come to my house Subtard and I'll help you understand "lower crime rate".
 
2011-07-24 10:28:29 PM  
1. This guy used a gun to kill many people. Murder is also classified as a violent crime, isn't it?

2. If guns help prevent crimes, why didn't anyone shoot this guy?
 
2011-07-24 10:45:26 PM  
So they have less guns per person than the US has, and lower violent crime per person than the US has, and that's proof that more guns equals less crime?
 
2011-07-24 10:53:21 PM  
 
2011-07-24 11:04:52 PM  
A relatively homogeneous Scandinavian country with extensive social programs and a very high standard of living has an exceptionally low crime rate despite a relatively high rate of gun ownership (compared to the rest of Europe)? I am shocked, SHOCKED that Norway isn't full of meth tweakers and teenaged high-school dropouts from the inner city banging it out in the streets working for the drug economy.

The prevalence (or lack thereof) of guns in a society has pretty much nothing to do with the rate of violent crime and everything to do with agenda-driven dopes engaging in nationalistic/provincial chest-thumping and group labeling.
 
2011-07-25 01:29:46 AM  
It sounds like they have a healthy gun culture there, unlike in much of the USA.
 
2011-07-25 01:46:50 AM  
So you're suggesting we should adopt gun regulations similar to Norway's here in the U.S.?
 
2011-07-25 02:02:52 AM  
Can you imagine the APB: `The suspect is a caucasian blonde male, of average height and average build and is driving a Volvo very courteously

Hmmmmm.
 
2011-07-25 03:31:13 AM  
I wonder if the fact that they have mandatory military service, so that all gun owners are well-trained in using fire-arms, has anything to do with it... Oh, and...

Fark It: A relatively homogeneous Scandinavian country with extensive social programs and a very high standard of living has an exceptionally low crime rate despite a relatively high rate of gun ownership (compared to the rest of Europe)?

That, too. ;)
 
2011-07-25 04:58:52 AM  

elchip: No correlation between "right to carry" and violent crime rates


Wayne LaPierre is a lying douchewit.

i53.tinypic.com

And a farking freak whose penis is never erect unless he has a gun stuffed in his urethra.

/look at them.
//puckerhole. psychotic. pederast.
 
2011-07-25 06:21:27 AM  
YAY another pile of bodies upon which we can stand and wave our banners!
 
2011-07-25 06:23:54 AM  

monty666: Can you imagine the APB: `The suspect is a caucasian blonde male, of average height and average build and is driving a Volvo very courteously

Hmmmmm.


HA! That made me laff.
 
2011-07-25 06:23:58 AM  
Well, that's why Iran and North Korea deserve nukes. If you have weapons, people are nice to you.
 
2011-07-25 06:26:00 AM  
The Doctor: Mr. President. That child just told you everything you need to know, but you weren't listening. Never mind, though, 'cause the answer's yes. I'll take the case. Fellas, the guns? Really? I just walked into the highest security office in the United States, parked a big blue box on the rug. You think you can just shoot me?

River Song: They're Americans!

The Doctor: Don't shoot! Definitely no shooting!
 
2011-07-25 06:26:20 AM  

monty666: 1. This guy used a gun to kill many people. Murder is also classified as a violent crime, isn't it?

2. If guns help prevent crimes, why didn't anyone shoot this guy?


Yeah, those stupid teenagers at summer camp should have simply gone to the island armory. Dumb kids.
 
2011-07-25 06:27:45 AM  
Don't they also forbid concealed carry?

/Makes sense - if you can see that everyone has a gun, you're probably not going to fark with them.
 
2011-07-25 06:29:09 AM  
Gun culture or no gun culture, every country has maniacs who are capable of carrying out an atrocity like this. The guy shot up a youth summer camp. I can't imagine that if this had happened in Texas, there would have been too many teenagers on the island who were armed and ready to take the assailant out.
 
2011-07-25 06:29:32 AM  

elchip: No correlation between "right to carry" and violent crime rates


Yes. Yes, there is. Sorry, but you fail.
 
2011-07-25 06:30:17 AM  
Huge bomb - 7 dead
A few guns - 85 dead

Screw the gun lovers, ban all guns now!
 
2011-07-25 06:31:06 AM  
Isn't there more guns in the US than there is people in the US? Wouldn't this comparison be more valid if Norway had more guns than people?
 
2011-07-25 06:31:45 AM  

GAT_00: So they have less guns per person than the US has, and lower violent crime per person than the US has, and that's proof that more guns equals less crime?


you're right. the missing variable is that norway doesnt have black people.
 
2011-07-25 06:32:02 AM  

elchip: No correlation between "right to carry" and violent crime rates


Okay, after reading your link you win. Sorry.
 
2011-07-25 06:35:03 AM  
The whole gun loving thing always made me scratch my head. Many innocent people have died for your damn guns.
 
2011-07-25 06:35:34 AM  
The difference is also what happens when you use the weapons available.
Shoot someone and you're likely to seriously hurt that someone, punch him in the face and you're likely to hurt his feelings.
And you don't often hear about someone's son or daughter accidentally punching themselves in the face...

There might not be a correlation between crime rates and guns, but people feel secure and invincible with guns and there's definitelty an increased likelyhood of injury or accidental death when guns are involved.
 
2011-07-25 06:35:36 AM  

ThisNameSux: Huge bomb - 7 dead
A few guns - 85 dead

Screw the gun lovers, ban all guns now!


A handful of boxcutters killed 3000 odd people in 2001. I'll take my chances with the gun!
 
2011-07-25 06:35:52 AM  
In this day and age can't we find a more progressive term than "far-right Christian fundamentalist"? It borders on bigotry and causes undue derision toward the majority of peaceful Christians.
 
2011-07-25 06:36:24 AM  
Can't fark just have a single 'Gun Thread' that refreshes every day? I know I'd rather just have one repetitive bullshiat thread per day than all of these.
 
2011-07-25 06:36:32 AM  
Guns can be: tools, weapons, art, a bad idea, a good idea, smart, stupid, fat, skinny, big, small, dangerous, helpful, bald, hairy, dinosaur... should I go on
 
2011-07-25 06:37:14 AM  

monty666: Can you imagine the APB: `The suspect is a caucasian blonde male, of average height and average build and is driving a Volvo very courteously

Hmmmmm.


: D I like chuckles with my coffee
 
2011-07-25 06:38:23 AM  
It's almost like things such as poverty and education have more of an impact on crime rather than the choice of weapons.
 
2011-07-25 06:40:54 AM  
I live in Norway. It is a good place to get stabbed.
 
2011-07-25 06:43:32 AM  

Olympus Mons: The whole gun loving thing always made me scratch my head. Many innocent people have died for your damn guns.


More innocent people have been skinned alive or had their throats cut than have been shot throughout history. Flaying predates a word for the practice. Would you ban knives?

Rope has been used to lynch innocents since time immemorial as well. In fact, when it comes to lynchin' rope is pretty much the ONLY weapon that's used consistently. Shall we ban rope?

Torture throughout the ages has relied on fire as a way to inflict endless torment upon the innocent. Shall we ban matches as well? How about combustion itself?

Seriously, people are so short sighted. These kinds of mass murder are so rare that we hear about each incident from all over the world. Rape, murder, theft: these are so droll we don't even know when they happen in the next city down the road, but mass murder is rare as a woman's beard.

And yet, despite this, people want to ban all guns each time something happens with a gun. The same people would love knowing we've always been at war with Eurasia, I'm sure.
 
2011-07-25 06:44:52 AM  

doglover: A handful of boxcutters killed 3000 odd people in 2001. I'll take my chances with the gun!


No, the lack of secure doors killed them.
 
2011-07-25 06:44:59 AM  

chaddsfarkprefect: In this day and age can't we find a more progressive term than "far-right Christian fundamentalist"? It borders on bigotry and causes undue derision toward the majority of peaceful Christians.


LOL

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2011-07-25 06:49:26 AM  
Many people will use this terrible tragedy as an excuse to put through a political agenda other than my own. This tawdry abuse of human suffering for political gain sickens me to the core of my being. Those people who have different political views from me ought to be ashamed of themselves for thinking of cheap partisan point-scoring at a time like this. In any case, what this tragedy really shows us is that, so far from putting into practice political views other than my own, it is precisely my political agenda which ought to be advanced.

Not only are my political views vindicated by this terrible tragedy, but also the status of my profession. Furthermore, it is only in the context of a national and international tragedy like this that we are reminded of the very special status of my hobby, and its particular claim to legislative protection. My religious and spiritual views also have much to teach us about the appropriate reaction to these truly terrible events.

Countries which I like seem to never suffer such tragedies, while countries which, for one reason or another, I dislike, suffer them all the time. The one common factor which seems to explain this has to do with my political views, and it suggests that my political views should be implemented as a matter of urgency, even though they are, as a matter of fact, not implemented in the countries which I like.

Of course the World Trade Center attacks are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. But we must also not lose sight of the fact that I am right on every significant moral and political issue, and everybody ought to agree with me. Please, I ask you as fellow human beings, vote for the political party which I support, and ask your legislators to support policies endorsed by me, as a matter of urgency.

taken from here
 
2011-07-25 06:50:26 AM  

ThisNameSux: doglover: A handful of boxcutters killed 3000 odd people in 2001. I'll take my chances with the gun!

No, the lack of secure doors killed them.


It was oxygen! If it weren't for oxygen none of them would have died! Let's ban oxygen!

Do you care about safety? Do you want to end crime forever? Quick, put this plastic bag on your head!
 
2011-07-25 06:50:38 AM  

Genta: you're right. the missing variable is that norway doesnt have black people.


www.gifbin.com
 
2011-07-25 06:51:25 AM  
FTA: Gun ownership in Norway is common, although strict gun regulations and limitations are in place on ammunition for certain kinds of guns.

Citing the "Small Arms Survey 2007: Guns and the City," published by Cambridge University Press, the website give the rate of private gun ownership in Norway as 31.32 firearms per 100 people, less than the reported rate in the U.S. of 88.82 firearms per 100 people.


Dear subby, did you even read TFA? America has neither strict gun regulations (you don't want them) nor does EVERY gun get reported (I'd wager not very many of them are actually reported, in the grand scheme of things). I'm sick of this "only tell one teeny side of a giant story" type journalism that has become rampant in our consumer-driven, 24-hour news culture. It makes me ill.
 
2011-07-25 06:51:35 AM  
chaddsfarkprefect: It borders on bigotry and causes undue derision toward the majority of peaceful Christians.

Then perhaps it is incumbent upon Christians to be a bit more careful about just what they teach and who they associate with. If all Christians were like the Quakers, one of a handful denominations Jesus might find tolerable, there would be no issues. As it is, you've got the various prosperity gospel heretics, variously bigoted conservative evangelicals and on it goes.
 
2011-07-25 06:52:01 AM  

ThisNameSux: doglover: A handful of boxcutters killed 3000 odd people in 2001. I'll take my chances with the gun!

No, the lack of secure doors killed them.


I thought it was from have a large aluminium object full of jet fuel being thrown at them?
 
2011-07-25 06:54:46 AM  

Yogimus: YAY another pile of bodies upon which we can stand and wave our banners!


And we're done. F*ck right off if you're going to use this to push a gun agenda, or ANY agenda.
 
2011-07-25 06:55:09 AM  
ThisNameSux: No, the lack of secure doors killed them.

Actually, they shouldn't have even gotten on the plane with the box cutters. Comes down to who was working the x-ray machines that checked carry ons. And that's something that hasn't been addressed at all. And it was the only thing that needed be addressed. Could've been handled in a few days and for fairly cheap.
 
2011-07-25 06:56:02 AM  
I don't have a problem with people carrying guns, but I'm not sure that guns going up means crime going down. I think it has a lot more to do with economy being better and that reduces crime. Crime, in many senses, is a result of desperation. I live in Australia, no guns... there is very little crime, but the economy is still strong.
 
2011-07-25 06:58:43 AM  
Had to check the url to make sure I was on fark.com. Drew must be asleep, or did he wake up?
 
2011-07-25 07:00:17 AM  
SpyroChiro: think it has a lot more to do with economy being better and that reduces crime.

That and proper provisions for those in need help a lot too.
 
2011-07-25 07:01:12 AM  

beerbaron: Genta: you're right. the missing variable is that norway doesnt have black people.

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stats arent' racist.
 
2011-07-25 07:02:06 AM  
if you want "facts" or the "truth" about gun laws,crime,statistics,gun related deaths.....etc.....

.....stay the Hell away from:

NRA
GOA(Gun Owners of America)
Brady Center

Lies.
Bullsh*t and lies.
All are political agenda based and full of BS.

CDC is where you can get something more resembling fact based truths.

Also,read the "Gun Control" article at wikipedia.
 
2011-07-25 07:02:50 AM  

WhyteRaven74: chaddsfarkprefect: It borders on bigotry and causes undue derision toward the majority of peaceful Christians.

Then perhaps it is incumbent upon Christians to be a bit more careful about just what they teach and who they associate with. If all Christians were like the Quakers, one of a handful denominations Jesus might find tolerable, there would be no issues. As it is, you've got the various prosperity gospel heretics, variously bigoted conservative evangelicals and on it goes.


See?
 
2011-07-25 07:03:57 AM  
As I expected this thread quickly turned in to "douscheapoluza." (On both sides of the arguement)
 
2011-07-25 07:05:00 AM  

ThisNameSux: doglover: A handful of boxcutters killed 3000 odd people in 2001. I'll take my chances with the gun!

No, the lack of secure doors killed them.


Everyday I look for at least one person that says something more stupid than all others on Fark. You sir are the first contender today.
 
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