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2003-09-06 06:07:19 PM  
Well, this has been fun but I need to clean up my place so I can fark my girlfriend while out of wedlock and using birth control.

Suck it.
 
2003-09-06 06:08:21 PM  
Who cares if God exists or not?!

The issue is about people putting up rocks with the 10 commandments on them, and other people not liking those rocks for some reason.

The way I see it, you're all asshats for wasting time on this non-issue. If you don't believe in religion, the 10 commandments should mean nothing to you. So what's the problem? Why are you so OFFENDED by it?

Similarly, if you are Catholic or whatever, and the 10 commandments are removed from some courthouse or WHEREVER THE FARK THEY ARE, are you going to all of a sudden stop believing? No? Well what's the problem then? Why are you so OFFENDED by it?

In the end, all this nonsense has nothing to do with religion, but has everything to do with idiots who get offended over stupid things and who waste court time and money over it.

Asshats, all of you!
 
2003-09-06 06:08:41 PM  
Yes we all know it, but most of us don't live like we believe it.
 
2003-09-06 06:09:03 PM  
But how do we really know who wrote the bible? Maybe it was some wacked out,pissed off drug crazed freak who wrote what he thought was a good joke?
We need to remove religion from any and all state, federal, and local laws.
 
2003-09-06 06:10:27 PM  
Lenin would love that statement.
 
2003-09-06 06:12:17 PM  
like we believe what, sonsofthunder? Like we are going to die? Or, perhaps you are automatically injecting your belief in an afterlife in there. Not all of us believe that.

The way I see it, you're all asshats for wasting time on this non-issue. If you don't believe in religion, the 10 commandments should mean nothing to you. So what's the problem? Why are you so OFFENDED by it?

Because religion, especially christianity, promotes hate, bigotry, stereotyping, and attempts to enforce ridiculous and out-dated guidelines for those of us who choose not to believe. If religion is allowed to enter the political and judicial arena, everyone but christians will suffer.
 
2003-09-06 06:12:29 PM  
MegaDethHead, I was gonna clean up, but I need to respond to this.

I have no real issue with the Ten Commandments on display in a courthouse, as they are historical laws. Sure, most have to do with God, but there's some that are just pretty damn good laws like the whole "Do Not Kill" thing.

The issue here is that this Judge has put the Ten Commandments up in a defiant statement that he doesn't care about the constitution and the laws of the Unites States. He claims these are his laws, and that his religion takes preceince over the laws he has sworn to uphold.

This is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. I'd hate to be a homosexual on trial and have him as a judge. I'd hate to be an athiest and have him as a judge. The laws of the nation are what he should be upholding in his courtroom, not the Ten Commandments.
 
2003-09-06 06:13:20 PM  
And these lawyers and judges who actually go on and say shiat like "This country was founded on blah blah blah" need to get a farking life.

They preach about being moral and then they get murderes and rapists off. As long as the 10 commandments are there though, right?!

Politicians and the courts are anything but moral. What with all the greed and corruption going on behind closed doors. What the fark doed GOD have to do with any of the bullshiat that happens in the courts these days?

Right now I'm listening to "And Justice for All" by Metallica. So maybe that's why I'm typing this.
 
2003-09-06 06:15:25 PM  
DigiFluid

Marx and Engels. Read the Communist Manifesto, it's a neat read, even if the system's a bit impractical.
 
2003-09-06 06:15:52 PM  
electra225
What I mean is that when 9/11 of some personal near death experience happens to people they start saying how they're gonna start living thier lives paying attention to what's REALLY important, everyone IS going to die someday, so why don't you live like it? You in general not personaly.
 
2003-09-06 06:16:48 PM  
electra225 I totally agree that it promotes a lot of bigotry and the like. But how is having a freakim rock of the 10 commandments affecting any of that? If a judge is a bigot, he'll be a bigot no matter what statues there are in the courthouse. If you take away the monument, do you take away the bigoted judge?

No.

So who gives a fark then?!
 
2003-09-06 06:17:35 PM  
MegaDethHead
Who cares if God exists or not?!
Brav-farking-o.

The issue for me has nothing to do with being offended. The icons of various religions do not offend me, nor do they hold any power over me. I have splashed myself with holy water to test this and found that I did not burn.

The issue as I see it is that I live in a country where I am guaranteed a fair trial, where my guilt or innocence will be based on the facts as they can be proven in court and the laws of my country as they are laid out in various named texts which do not include those of any particular religion.
A judge who erects or defends a religious icon in a US courthouse has shown me that he is biased and that he is going to judge me based on his religion. He will do so because he has no choice. His religion demands that the laws of God come before the laws of men.
When I see a religious icon at a courthouse I am concerned (and rightly so) that I am not going to get a fair trial. I am concerned that I will be judged, not on the laws of my country (which I follow BTW) but on the laws of a religion which I do not follow and am not required to follow.
This is unacceptable.

Sonsofthunder
You are a good mind reader. GETOUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!
I would suggest you just have me exorcised, but I am concerned that it might involve pressing down on my chest with your knee until I suffocate.
/poor murdered 8-year-old autistic boy
 
2003-09-06 06:18:18 PM  
I say take away the asshat judges, not the monuments.

And if people take away the monuments, I say get all the morons who actually show up and protest and throw them off a cliff.
 
2003-09-06 06:19:14 PM  
2003-09-06 06:07:19 PM DarKrow
Well, this has been fun but I need to clean up my place so I can fark my girlfriend while out of wedlock and using birth control.

Suck it.


Huh huh, and she did.[image from mariner.home.pipeline.com too old to be available]
Well Butt-head says she seemed to enjoy it. Does she like ribbed, for her pleasure?
 
2003-09-06 06:19:22 PM  
Wow, Lenin followed up by 9/11. This is some heavy shiat.
cbf
 
2003-09-06 06:19:48 PM  
Amaranth
Yes, you are right. I totally agree with killing people I believe are posessed.

You ARE a good mind reader.
 
2003-09-06 06:20:20 PM  
True, sonsofthunder. And, speaking from experience, some of us also - after that near death experience - wonder where god was. After that, we decide to live and pay attention to what's really important..... without the unnecessary burden of christianity hanging over us like a cloud.
It is this crowd that christians usually make such comments to. ( You need to get right with god and pay attention to what's really important!) Only, we are only trying to live our lives the way we want to, and pay attention to what is REALLY important - and the definition of what is "important" depends upon your personal and unique character.
 
2003-09-06 06:21:01 PM  
I hate 9/11...why God why???
 
2003-09-06 06:21:05 PM  
Taking away 10 commandment monuments.

Taking out "In god we trust" from currency.

Taking out "Under god" in the pledge.

These are all trivial bullshiat things that accomplish nothing. I don't care either way if you keep them or you get rid of them. But Goddamit, do it quickly and shut the fark up about once it's done.
 
2003-09-06 06:21:52 PM  
DarKrow: MegaDethHead, I was gonna clean up, but I need to respond to this.

I have no real issue with the Ten Commandments on display in a courthouse, as they are historical laws. Sure, most have to do with God, but there's some that are just pretty damn good laws like the whole "Do Not Kill" thing.


A) They are not historical laws. There's no historical or archaeological evidence that the Egyptians ever held Hebrew slaves. We know almost every day-to-day detail of how they did things like take a census, grind wheat and many other things. Yet all records of the holding of Hebrew slaves are conveniently missing? Please.

B) "Thou Shalt Not Kill" isn't part of the Ten Commandments. Moses simply quotes it after coming down from the mountain in Exodus 20.

This is the only list that any Bible passage calls "The Ten Commandments" is in Exodus 34:14-28. Note that "thou shalt not kill" isn't among them:

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).

2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.

4. All the first-born are mine.

5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.

9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.
 
2003-09-06 06:22:23 PM  
Well, gotta clock out. Till next week!!!!
 
2003-09-06 06:23:11 PM  
electra225 I totally agree that it promotes a lot of bigotry and the like. But how is having a freakim rock of the 10 commandments affecting any of that? If a judge is a bigot, he'll be a bigot no matter what statues there are in the courthouse. If you take away the monument, do you take away the bigoted judge?

allowing the statue to stand allows a loophole for future debates on what is "acceptable" within the limits of seperation of church and state. The courthouse stands as a representation of the laws of our country - and the statue placed in the vacinity of the courthouse plays upon the assumption that the rules of God are overseeing the rules of the nation. It is completely unnaceptable, and dangerous for the future of all who wish to disagree with the overbearing nature of religious control.
 
2003-09-06 06:25:33 PM  
I thought there were 15 commandments. Oh nevermind Moses dropped 5 of them,wonder what they were..
 
2003-09-06 06:26:27 PM  
Just remember Schulte the joke's on you.
Ever hear of the malign demon theory?
There is no certainty in what your god is or isn't.

Ain't religion great! I need to go find a image of Pissed Christ now.
 
2003-09-06 06:27:17 PM  
Moses: I bring you these fifteen...

Moses drops a tablet

Moses: TEN! I bring you these Ten Commandments!

Mel Brooks rules.
 
2003-09-06 06:27:24 PM  
I'm out as well. The entertainment value of this thread was great.

My last comment:
Yes, you are right. I totally agree with killing people I believe are posessed.
Now we see the violence inherrent in the system!

/monty python
 
2003-09-06 06:30:39 PM  
If those tre huggin' faggots try to take god off the money I'm gonna hurt somebody.

Wake up people, the evildoers are winnin'.
 
2003-09-06 06:32:14 PM  
[image from usc.edu too old to be available]

Pissed Christ, by Andres Serrano...gotta love jesus taking a bath in urine...mmmmmmmm
 
2003-09-06 06:32:31 PM  
GunBoy wrote
'Possum wrote
"As a Christian I believe God turns His back on these fundamentalists."
God turns His back on no one'

You are right, of course. He doesn't trust them either!

All true believers shall break their eggs at the convenient end.
 
2003-09-06 06:34:49 PM  
2003-09-06 06:27:17 PM DarKrow

Moses: I bring you these fifteen...

Moses drops a tablet

Moses: TEN! I bring you these Ten Commandments!

Mel Brooks rules.


You look like the royal Pissboy!
 
2003-09-06 06:43:11 PM  
I'd just like to see a judge hang a big pentacle above the door to his courtroom. Or maybe a crescent moon. Watch the fundies suddenly slam into reverse gear.

And since we're all tossing out Biblical quotations, let's have one of my favorites.

Matthew 6:5-6

5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Oh, and just for grins, Matthew 22:21 also seems appropriate:

They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.


Yep, that judge sure is a good Christian! Ayup! He'll have his reward in spades!


/pantheist who loves tweaking fundies
 
2003-09-06 07:14:15 PM  
And, of course, you can't beat Genesis 30 -- if banging your wife doesn't work, bang your maid instead!
 
2003-09-06 07:46:40 PM  
quick! ban everything we don't agree with!!
 
2003-09-06 08:30:55 PM  
How are you supposed to eat with naked chicks waving their tatas around. Just because boobies are good and chicken wings are good doesn't mean boobies + chicken wings are good. Then theres that whole lactation stigma.
 
2003-09-06 08:37:29 PM  
Schulte: This guy was arrested for running a
legitimate business, and he's been illegally subjected
to a religion he doesn't believe in. Where do you
get "persecuting Christians" from that?

MegaDethHead: It does matter when religious
laws are posted in our courts. I don't believe in
virgin sacrifice, but that doesn't mean killing
virgins doesn't affect me. People kill each other
over the 10 commandments, and according to our
constitution, that's not ok.

How is it that it's ok for a judge to stick big
rocks in a court-house, but a young kid who wrote
his name on the wall would go to jail? Graffiti
is graffiti.
 
2003-09-06 09:03:54 PM  
Whether or not you're a Christian, the 10 Commandments are what all modern Western law is based on so I don;t see a problem with them being displayed anywhere.
 
2003-09-06 09:42:56 PM  
revfritz

Allow me to just go ahead and post a few religious comments to head some people off at the pass.

Christianity is the one true path to salvation.
God is dead, get over it.
God never existed, you're all crazy.
Allah smash!
Menoh will kick all you monotheists butts one day...
Christians can fark themselves.
Atheists can fark themselves.
Polytheists, Mormons, Jews, Nazis, the Press and Ackbar can all fark themselves.

Does that about cover it?


You forgot "I blame Clinton!"
 
2003-09-06 09:46:54 PM  
wasteddave

Whether or not you're a Christian, the 10 Commandments are what all modern Western law is based on so I don;t see a problem with them being displayed

Wow. That statement is so blatently ignorant and wrong that is must be flamebait. Jeebus! Where did you go to school? PS Fundi 101?
 
2003-09-06 09:57:25 PM  
wasteddave: Whether or not you're a Christian, the 10 Commandments are what all modern Western law is based on so I don;t see a problem with them being displayed anywhere.

Bzzzt...I'm sorry. Thank you for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

The basis of modern Western law? I don't think so. First, let's go through what most people mistakenly call the Ten Commandments, from Exodus 20:

1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.
--It would be unconstitutional to enforce this one as a law. On a side note, there is no historical or archaeological evidence that the Ancient Egyptians EVER held Hebrew slaves. Even most Jewish historical researcher say that the Exodus is a story, not a documented fact.

2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.
--Sorry, but I'm allowed to do this one in America, too. So far, you're zero for two.

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
--God damnit! God damnit! God damnit! Note that I have neither been struck down, hauled off to jail, or even kicked off FARK (though I may have invoked the filter on FARK). Zero for three.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
--I neither go to church, nor avoid working on that day. To create a law that says I have to would be unconstitutional. BTW, did you know that the largest Christian retailer in America just started opening on Sundays? Doesn't sound like even Christians take this one seriously. Zero for four.

5. Honor your father and your mother.
--Respect is something you earn, not given just because of a role you have. Heck, I've seen kids turn their parents in for doing something illegal, and the parents, not the kids, were arrested. Zero for five, and we're halfway through.

6. You shall not kill.
--Finally! This one is codified in our laws. The Code of Hammurabi, though, predates the alleged date of the Ten Commandments by about 2500 years, and it also had laws against murder. Zero for six.

7. You shall not commit adultery.
--Any adultery laws left in this country are considered "blue laws", which means that they're still on the books, but they're unenforcable. Zero for seven.

8. You shall not steal.
--See #6

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
--See #6

10. You shall not covet.
--"Coveting", in biblical times, wasn't merely desiring your neighbor's goods. It meant to cast the evil eye as a spell on someone. Sorry, but I can "cast the evil eye" on people all day long, and the authorities can't do a thing about it. Zero for ten.

Even if I'm generous, and give the enforcable ones, 6, 8 and 9, that's only 3 out of 10 that relate at all to any laws we have.

You'll also note I said that these are mistakenly called the 10 commandments. First, the above 10 are never referred to in any Bible passage as the 10 commandments. Second, they were never on stone tablets. Moses spoke these after he came down from the mountain. Moses goes back up, and comes down with a set of tablets, which he never reads. He smashes them in anger when he sees his followers worshipping the golden calf statue. He then goes back up and gets a second set, which God himself says were exactly the words that were on the first (Exodus 34:1).

It is this second set of tablets (and according to the Bible and God, the first, as well) that is, for the first time, referred to as the 10 commandments by any Biblical passage (Exodus 34:14-28):

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).

2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.

4. All the first-born are mine.

5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.

9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk. (It means "don't boil a young goat in the milk of its mother.)

"And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

If you look at what the Bible calls the 10 commandments, you'll note that none of them are enforcable in modern society, and some are downright unconstitutional.

In short, the myth that the 10 commandments are the basis of modern Western law is easily debunked.

Try reading Joseph Lewis' "The Ten Commandments" (written in 1946), and possibly the Bible, as well.
 
2003-09-06 10:10:38 PM  
I think that it should be perfectly allowable to post the ten commandments in a government building, but ONLY IF they post a big-ass "Scarface" poster right next to it.
 
2003-09-06 10:10:54 PM  
Yes, but we haven't answered the greatest religious question of all time. How do you kill a giant Abraham Lincoln?
 
2003-09-06 10:13:12 PM  
dammit, giant stone abraham lincoln I meant. aw, I farked it up. Nothing to see here people.
 
2003-09-06 10:16:54 PM  
wasteddave

Prove it.
 
2003-09-06 10:24:15 PM  
Anagrammer:

A few corrections for you...

1. While modern government doesn't hold all those commandments as "legal," the former versions, several years ago, did. Remember the main reason those pilgrims got the hell out of Europe? *cough*religious freedom*cough*. It was so important to our forerunners that they flogged people, not to mention tortured & killed "witches," and the reason why it was mentioned as one of the first rights in the constitution.

2. Blue laws are COMPLETELY enforceable, and enforced. If you don't believe me, try buying a sixer of brew on Sunday in an Indiana supermarket. Or a car. Blue laws are the "religious" laws, and some of them are no longer enforced, but I don't remember the name of these unenforced laws (like one Michigan city's law against spitting into the wind.)

And for the record, I'm about as christian as Anton LaVey.
 
2003-09-06 10:27:15 PM  
Correction to number 1: I have no idea where the Salem witch hunt references came from. Ignore that stuff.
 
2003-09-06 10:28:28 PM  
Freakman -- A giant stone John Wilkes Booth!
 
2003-09-06 10:56:11 PM  
autopsybeverage: Anagrammer:

A few corrections for you...

1. While modern government doesn't hold all those commandments as "legal," the former versions, several years ago, did. Remember the main reason those pilgrims got the hell out of Europe? *cough*religious freedom*cough*. It was so important to our forerunners that they flogged people, not to mention tortured & killed "witches," and the reason why it was mentioned as one of the first rights in the constitution.


Sure, they left England in order to practice their religion they way they desired. Once they arrived here, they not only did so, but frequently punished those who didn't practice the same religion. Also, you're confusing "settling" this country with "founding" it. This country started to be settled in 1620. It wasn't founded until 1789, when the Constitution was ratified.

Witch reference forgotten. It's a good example of the mania to only worship the Judeo-Christian god, though.

2. Blue laws are COMPLETELY enforceable, and enforced. If you don't believe me, try buying a sixer of brew on Sunday in an Indiana supermarket. Or a car. Blue laws are the "religious" laws, and some of them are no longer enforced, but I don't remember the name of these unenforced laws (like one Michigan city's law against spitting into the wind.)

I meant "unenforceable" in the sense that, if you're arrested for such a law, they're often easily overturned in court. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

BTW, here in Las Vegas (which is also about as Christian as Anton LaVey ;), we also have laws against selling newscars on Sunday. In Vegas, you can sell gas, repair cars, rent cars, and even sell used cars, but new cars. Bizarre, no?
 
2003-09-06 11:08:34 PM  
No hero tag...maybe electra225 should get one.

Am I the only one that thinks it is wholly appropriate for god to be mentioned on money?

Take it out of the pledge. Otherwise, what really is being said is that if you don't believe in this nation being "under god" than you are not quite an equal American citizen.

Some people are more equal than others.
 
2003-09-06 11:22:59 PM  
Osmodiar: No hero tag...maybe electra225 should get one.

Am I the only one that thinks it is wholly appropriate for god to be mentioned on money?


I don't think we need a remnant of the McCarthyism scare when you either believed in God to protect us from those "godless commies". It superstitious, and the history of it is an embarassment to this country.

Our original motto, "E Pluribus Unum", is much more appropriate.

Take it out of the pledge. Otherwise, what really is being said is that if you don't believe in this nation being "under god" than you are not quite an equal American citizen.

Some people are more equal than others.


I wonder how many people know that it was a Baptist minister, Francis Bellamy, who wrote the original Pledge without "under God" (or the words "United States of America" for that matter).
 
2003-09-06 11:25:39 PM  
This country started to be settled in 1620. It wasn't founded until 1789, when the Constitution was ratified.

Yeah, Anagrammer, I did jump forward a few hundred years (give or take) there, but you're really missing what I was trying to do, which is ramble in a thought-provoking, yet almost unitelligible manner about something I once learned a lot about, but since forgot due to recreational drinking, a head injury, and the impracticality of said information in day-to-day life ;)
 
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