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2011-07-23 03:23:16 PM

TheDirtyNacho: I think the best thing to do would be to jump, plant a stationary probe that observes what's around it and broadcasts its information using similar jumping technology. Establish a network of these buoys throughout the galaxy and then you'd have nearly real-time information on positions and status of phenomena that would allow safe point-to-point movement.


These concerns would be largely discarded once we visit somewhere once. Unless the universe works way faster than our models believe to be true today, a solar system isn't likely to be different if we visit it today vs in 100 years. Might make sense to leave a sensor in systems that appear to be close to going nova and the like, but inter-galaxy marker buoys wouldn't be necessary.
 
2011-07-23 03:24:00 PM

OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?


You DO know that there's no apostrophe in guys? But yeah, we don't even have supersonic passenger transport anymore, but we'll magically float around the universe, faster than light no less!, and drink plentifully at Quasar Gulch... Space Nuttery is looking more and more delusional every day.

And again, for the reading-impaired, Space Nuttery is the belief that we're going to "go" out there and pluck the fruits from space like it's a giant Wal Mart or something. With totally implausible technologies, unrealistic materials and our mayfly-like existence.

Take all the pictures you want. That's all you'll ever have.
 
2011-07-23 03:25:09 PM

evilmrsock: OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?

Okay, champ. Start from the center, and draw the straight line that doesn't intersect something.

[www.atlasoftheuniverse.com image 640x600]


First off you'd not be traveling in a straight line and you do realized that is a 3D image represented in 2D?

Try not to be so dumb next time.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-07-23 03:25:36 PM
likelihood that we'll pass a bourbon planet on the way.

We'll suffocate after passing through one of the carbon monoxide clouds, or we'll be pickled in formaldehyde.
 
2011-07-23 03:26:01 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?

You DO know that there's no apostrophe in guys? But yeah, we don't even have supersonic passenger transport anymore, but we'll magically float around the universe, faster than light no less!, and drink plentifully at Quasar Gulch... Space Nuttery is looking more and more delusional every day.

And again, for the reading-impaired, Space Nuttery is the belief that we're going to "go" out there and pluck the fruits from space like it's a giant Wal Mart or something. With totally implausible technologies, unrealistic materials and our mayfly-like existence.

Take all the pictures you want. That's all you'll ever have.


There's that can-do spirit that made America great!
 
2011-07-23 03:28:21 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: You DO know that there's no apostrophe in guys? But yeah, we don't even have supersonic passenger transport anymore, but we'll magically float around the universe, faster than light no less!, and drink plentifully at Quasar Gulch... Space Nuttery is looking more and more delusional every day.

And again, for the reading-impaired, Space Nuttery is the belief that we're going to "go" out there and pluck the fruits from space like it's a giant Wal Mart or something. With totally implausible technologies, unrealistic materials and our mayfly-like existence.

Take all the pictures you want. That's all you'll ever have.


I don't expect that I'll ever go anywhere. Nor will my children, they're children, or any other descendants for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

That said, if we don't destroy ourselves, I think that interstellar flight is inevitable.
 
2011-07-23 03:28:23 PM

evilmrsock: OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?

Okay, champ. Start from the center, and draw the straight line that doesn't intersect something.

[www.atlasoftheuniverse.com image 640x600]


I will, but only after you make your picture *to scale*.

Go ahead, I'll wait. (whistles)
 
2011-07-23 03:29:35 PM

dustlesswalnut: they're children


Inexcusable, sorry.

*their
 
2011-07-23 03:30:40 PM
I'm heading out there next week. Anyone need any water?
 
2011-07-23 03:43:09 PM
www.trollscientist.com

/seemed relevant
 
2011-07-23 03:49:39 PM
i55.tinypic.com
 
2011-07-23 03:53:48 PM

dustlesswalnut: Assuming our species doesn't annihilate itself before we can develop FTL technology things like this WILL be useful. That's like saying Ben Franklin's experiments that proved lightening was a massive charge of static electricity wasn't useful when, in fact, his discoveries influenced battery technology and the invention of the electric motor.

Science FTW.


I think we're at the point where the most realistic scientific expectation in terms of reaching other planets is getting a Tardis, or building one.

/We'll be needing lots of Artron energy
 
2011-07-23 03:57:41 PM
209.85.62.24
 
2011-07-23 04:07:57 PM
(According to what I learned in school) ->oxygen molecules mixing with hydrogen molecules at room temp creates nothing ,but if a measure of heat is added then KABOOM !!!! water.
Water , it drenches the Earth ,exists as ice on the Moon and Mars,Its even been found as wispy little cirrus clouds high up in the atmosphere of Uranus.Life may or may not be abundant or even present in the observable , comprehendable Universe but water sure is.
As far as 'FTL' nonsense goes , I think the trouble with 'intelligent' people today is that if they see it on the tellibishon it must be real or has the potential to be real ya'know , like light sabers and plucky twenty something hot shot medicos who ,after to saving the day , manage to live lives of sexy,hip, drama.
If man ever leaves our solar system I suspect he will have to evolve into pure energy to do it and since its easier to watch Kirk and the gang traipsing around the galaxy blasting Klingons than it is to make a species wide , concentrated and sustained effort to improve ourselves I say pop the corn and crack a diet coke and let the 'box' live for you!!!



CAPERE QUICQUAM!!!!!
 
2011-07-23 04:12:20 PM

spasmodious: faster than light travel will never be achieved. it's not physically possible.


Man must rise above the Earth-to the top of the atmosphere and beyond-for only thus will he fully understand the world in which he lives.
- Socrates

A single lifetime, even though entirely devoted to the sky, would not be enough for the study of so vast a subject. A time will come when our descendants will be amazed that we did not know things that are so plain to them.
- Seneca, Book 7, first century AD

All the calculations show it can't work. There's only one thing to do: make it work.
- Pierre Georges Latécoère, early French aviation entrepreneur.
 
2011-07-23 04:15:51 PM
Actually there are ways around the speed of light, we just don't know them yet. Tachyons aren't directly observed but we know they exist due to secondary observation much like with the higgs-boson particle. Figuring out how tachyons are generated might give us the means to develop FTL and a couple of DARPA projects are based on that. Infuriatingly enough we do spend almost as much on testing the metabolism of shrimp so...
 
2011-07-23 04:15:53 PM
'Leaders' like ours, do not govern but divide. Is anyone at all optimistic about any of this?

Enjoy the now.

Technology is fascinating and the things being discovered are awesome. But we are ruled by
the likes of those in congress. Both sides. The shiattiest low lives of the bunch have grabbed
the helm. When Palin is seriously being considered for the Presidency... it's Idiocracy.

Enjoy the now, for it is not likely for the 99% of the rest to ever be any better.
 
2011-07-23 04:18:37 PM

Mawson of the Antarctic: I am no doubt cosmologically ignorant, don't know the intricacies of the universe, but could've the water belonged to a planet before the quasar existed or because of the timeline there was always was the black hole and gas? If there was a planet with water 12 billion years ago, then there could've been ancient alien civilizations that became technologically advanced, escaped their planet before the black hole formed and made their way to our galaxy and whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought, Nah, forget it. Yo, holmes to Bel-Air!


LOL, but that's a serious question, so I'll answer.

Yes, it could have. But there are no planetary remains--if it really did belong to a planet, then it would have died during the black hole's formation, and the water would be gone by now. This water vapor is being synthesized right now.

(Don't feel bad. I wanted to say 'now imagine there's living beings swimming in that water...' until I realized it was vapor. Damnit.)
 
2011-07-23 04:21:01 PM

snowjack: It's getting sucked into a black hole. Frak.


Sorry, but since we are seeing events that took place 12 billion years ago, it has probably sucked everything dry already (like your Mom).
 
2011-07-23 04:28:08 PM
5.1 trillion light years away?

images.wikia.com
 
2011-07-23 04:28:45 PM

evilmrsock: OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?

Okay, champ. Start from the center, and draw the straight line that doesn't intersect something.

[www.atlasoftheuniverse.com image 640x600]


You're missing the point. Space is very empty, Yes a galaxy is very large but most of that galaxy is very very empty. Even when galaxies collide most of the stars of the galaxies pass through those of the other without collision. If you wanted to hit an object in space blindly even at relativistic speeds you'd have to make your object impossibly huge, and impossibly dense.

I have been up all night and I don't feel like calculating the density of our solar system if it were sphere with distance from the sun to Pluto as it's radius but here is a figure I found about the density of the visible universe as a whole
"The mass density of visible matter (i.e., galaxies) in the Universe is estimated at 3e-28 kg/m^3" That's .00000000000000000000000000003kg per cubic meter. --clicky (new window)
 
2011-07-23 04:35:16 PM
Meh, Sientist say all kinds of dumb stuff to support evolution/big bang. Everyone knows water is exclusive to Earth.
 
2011-07-23 04:40:59 PM

evilmrsock: OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?

Okay, champ. Start from the center, and draw the straight line that doesn't intersect something.

[www.atlasoftheuniverse.com image 640x600]


The more I think about it, if you put a thousand tick marks on that scale, each tick would be a million light years. Those blue lines then would be millions of lightyears thick. So even by drawing a line which you'd like to think of as one dimension only, would be millions of light years think.
 
2011-07-23 04:49:09 PM
Apparently I did a mathplant.

Dammit.
 
2011-07-23 05:01:03 PM
I would totally volunteer to be the first human to drink a big glass of space water...


(Hopefully I would gain superpowers) ;)
 
2011-07-23 05:09:54 PM
"Colorado claims ownership"

also +1 to the Cytherea comment, well played
 
2011-07-23 05:16:29 PM

spasmodious: faster than light travel will never be achieved. it's not physically possible.


'The foolish idea of shooting at the moon is an example of the absurd length to which vicious specialization will carry scientists working in thought-tight compartments.' - A. W. Bickerton (physics professor), 1926


'What sir! You would make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her decks? I pray you excuse me. I have no time to listen to such nonsense.' - Napoleon Boneparte, 1803


'While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially I consider it an impossibility.' - Lee Deforest (inventor of vacuum tube/electronic valve), 1926


'There is no plea which will justify the use of high-tension and alternating currents, either in a scientific or a commercial sense.' - Thomas Edison, 1889


'There is not the slightest indication that energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will. Impossible.' - Albert Einstein, 1932


'Man will never reach the moon, regardless of all the future scientific advances.' - Lee DeForest (inventor of vacuum tube/electronic valve), 1957


'Aeroplanes are interesting toys but are of no military value and never will be.' - Maréchal Ferdinand Foch, 1911


'Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.' - Professor Dionysus Lardner, 1830


'Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible.' - Lord Kelvin, President of Royal Society, 1896


'This is the biggest fool thing we have ever done. The bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives.' - Admiral William D. Leahy, on the atomic bomb, 1945


'I can accept the theory of relativity as little as I can accept the existence of atoms and other such dogma.' - Professor Ernst Mach (as in speed-of-sound measurement), 1913


'There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. The glib supposition of utilizing atomic energy when our coal has run out is a completely unscientific Utopian dream, a childish bug-a-boo. Nature has introduced a few fool-proof devices into the great majority of elements that constitute the bulk of the world, and they have no energy to give up in the process of disintegration.' - Robert Millikan, Nobel prize winner in physics, 1920


'There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home.'- Ken Olson, President of Digital Corporation, 1977


'The energy produced by the breaking down of the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who looks for a source of power in the transformation of the atom is talking moonshine.' - Ernest Rutherford, 1936


'With regard to the electric light, much has been said for and against it, but I think I may say without contradiction that when the Paris Exhibition closes, electric light will close with it, and no more will be heard of it.' - Erasmus Wilson, Oxford University professor, 1878


'Space travel is utter bilge.' - Dr. Richard van der Riet Woolley, Astronomer Royal, 1956


'Video won't be able to hold onto any market it captures after the first six months. People will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night.' - Darryl F. Zanuck, 20th Century Fox, 1946


'I must confess that my imagination, in spite even of spurring, refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea.' - H. G. Wells, 1901


'I should say that no railway locomotive ought to exceet 40 miles per hour on the most favourable gradient, but on a curved line the speed ought not to exceed 24 or 25 miles per hour.' - George Stephenson, 1841


'Faster than light travel will never be achieved. It's not physically possible.' - Spasmodious (Fark.com forum poster) 2011


/At least you are in with good company
 
2011-07-23 05:19:34 PM

Bschott007: 'Man will never reach the moon, regardless of all the future scientific advances.' - Lee DeForest (inventor of vacuum tube/electronic valve),


But they did reach that soundstage in Nevada. :)
 
2011-07-23 05:24:41 PM

spasmodious: faster than light travel will never be achieved. it's not physically possible.


Yeah, and the world is flat! YOU'LL FALL RIGHT OFF, YOU CRAZY DUMB BASTARDS!!!

P.S. wikipedia things like quantum physics, and then assume that there are 10x the amount of things out there that we havent discovered yet.
 
2011-07-23 05:29:35 PM

oldebayer: Bschott007: 'Man will never reach the moon, regardless of all the future scientific advances.' - Lee DeForest (inventor of vacuum tube/electronic valve),

But they did reach that soundstage in Nevada. :)


Yeah I knew that quote was going to leave me open to that sort of response :P

/serious note, ever attempt to do the 'bounce a laser off the moon' thing? Kinda cool the technology we can utilize and own that our fathers couldn't have dreamed of having when they were our age.
 
2011-07-23 05:58:09 PM
That Snorg Tee girl is hawt!
 
2011-07-23 06:00:22 PM

evilmrsock:
[www.atlasoftheuniverse.com image 640x600]


The stars are too big in that.

Picture where you are. Now picture a house a mile down the road. But instead of houses, it's two motes of dust.

Space is really, really, really, REALLY big.

Heck, even in our system's asteroid belt, we don't bother with aiming. Just shoot the probes through it. If we're lucky, we'll get within a million miles of an asteroid so we can take a snapshot of it, but usually we don't get even that.


/there's coffee in that nebula quasar
 
2011-07-23 06:08:21 PM

Bschott007: serious note, ever attempt to do the 'bounce a laser off the moon' thing? Kinda cool the technology we can utilize and own that our fathers couldn't have dreamed of having when they were our age


I want a laser powerful enough to (a) not burn my hands and (b) allow me to make shadow puppets on the moon.

/You might add this quote from Lord Kelvin: "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now, All that remains is more and more precise measurement." This came just before the discovery of radioactivity, and Einstein's three seminal papers, et al. :)
 
2011-07-23 06:15:42 PM
We just need to build a really long space straw....
 
2011-07-23 06:23:13 PM
www.badmovies.org
Somebody call these guys.
 
2011-07-23 06:27:53 PM

Bschott007: spasmodious: faster than light travel will never be achieved. it's not physically possible.

'The foolish idea of shooting at the moon is an example of the absurd length to which vicious specialization will carry scientists working in thought-tight compartments.' - A. W. Bickerton (physics professor), 1926


'What sir! You would make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her decks? I pray you excuse me. I have no time to listen to such nonsense.' - Napoleon Boneparte, 1803


'While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially I consider it an impossibility.' - Lee Deforest (inventor of vacuum tube/electronic valve), 1926


'There is no plea which will justify the use of high-tension and alternating currents, either in a scientific or a commercial sense.' - Thomas Edison, 1889


'There is not the slightest indication that energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will. Impossible.' - Albert Einstein, 1932


'Man will never reach the moon, regardless of all the future scientific advances.' - Lee DeForest (inventor of vacuum tube/electronic valve), 1957


'Aeroplanes are interesting toys but are of no military value and never will be.' - Maréchal Ferdinand Foch, 1911


'Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.' - Professor Dionysus Lardner, 1830


'Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible.' - Lord Kelvin, President of Royal Society, 1896


'This is the biggest fool thing we have ever done. The bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives.' - Admiral William D. Leahy, on the atomic bomb, 1945


'I can accept the theory of relativity as little as I can accept the existence of atoms and other such dogma.' - Professor Ernst Mach (as in speed-of-sound measurement), 1913


'There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom. The glib supposition of utilizing atomic energy when our coal has run out is a completely unscientific Utopian dream, a childish bug-a-boo. Nature has introduced a few fool-proof devices into the great majority of elements that constitute the bulk of the world, and they have no energy to give up in the process of disintegration.' - Robert Millikan, Nobel prize winner in physics, 1920


'There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home.'- Ken Olson, President of Digital Corporation, 1977


'The energy produced by the breaking down of the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who looks for a source of power in the transformation of the atom is talking moonshine.' - Ernest Rutherford, 1936


'With regard to the electric light, much has been said for and against it, but I think I may say without contradiction that when the Paris Exhibition closes, electric light will close with it, and no more will be heard of it.' - Erasmus Wilson, Oxford University professor, 1878


'Space travel is utter bilge.' - Dr. Richard van der Riet Woolley, Astronomer Royal, 1956


'Video won't be able to hold onto any market it captures after the first six months. People will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night.' - Darryl F. Zanuck, 20th Century Fox, 1946


'I must confess that my imagination, in spite even of spurring, refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea.' - H. G. Wells, 1901


'I should say that no railway locomotive ought to exceet 40 miles per hour on the most favourable gradient, but on a curved line the speed ought not to exceed 24 or 25 miles per hour.' - George Stephenson, 1841


'Faster than light travel will never be achieved. It's not physically possible.' - Spasmodious (Fark.com forum poster) 2011


/At least you are in with good company




Youre comparing apples to oranges.
While the science and mechanics of air flight,faster than sound travell,rail travell and fission energy are proven parts of scientific reality and the understandable universe the 'propulsion' of matter faster than the speed of light is not and though the 'bending' of space is an observable and mathmatically proven component to our understanding of the Universe there is nothing (that im aware of and im no engineer or scientist of ANY measure),in human understanding that suggests we can harness this reality for our own uses. Perhaps we will yolk gravity as we have yolked wind,water,coal,uranium et al at some point in time but whereas the inevitability of human flight was demonstrated when the first wren was spotted taking to the skies by our ancestors there is NO precedent to prove or even suggest the inevitability of FTL travell.


you're quotes are worth copying and saving though
 
2011-07-23 06:28:29 PM

aspAddict: Is it in the constellation Cytheria?


Nah, it's just the universe peeing on us.
 
2011-07-23 06:33:47 PM

Mawson of the Antarctic: I am no doubt cosmologically ignorant, don't know the intricacies of the universe, but could've the water belonged to a planet before the quasar existed or because of the timeline there was always was the black hole and gas? If there was a planet with water 12 billion years ago, then there could've been ancient alien civilizations that became technologically advanced, escaped their planet before the black hole formed and made their way to our galaxy and whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought, Nah, forget it. Yo, holmes to Bel-Air!


I admit, that's the first time I've ever actually laughed out loud at being Fresh Prince Roll'd.
Nice work.
 
2011-07-23 06:40:12 PM

TheDirtyNacho: dustlesswalnut: Assuming our species doesn't annihilate itself before we can develop FTL technology things like this WILL be useful. That's like saying Ben Franklin's experiments that proved lightening was a massive charge of static electricity wasn't useful when, in fact, his discoveries influenced battery technology and the invention of the electric motor.

Science FTW.


FTL will set us up for so many let downs. This body of water doesn't exist in the present, the light reaching us is 12 billion years old. I'm sure so many interesting looking phenomena will either A. Not be as it looks from Earth, or B. Kill whoever visits. You know, when you jump out of hyperspace and crash into a planet that wasn't there 5 billion years ago...

/debbie downer


Well if you did micro hops of 1 light year every 1 second, it would only take 380 years to travel the full 12,000,000,000 light years.
At least that way you could see changes hopefully before you run into them.
 
2011-07-23 06:52:16 PM

ShadowWolf: Well if you did micro hops of 1 light year every 1 second, it would only take 380 years to travel the full 12,000,000,000 light years.
At least that way you could see changes hopefully before you run into them.


FTL travel would require (and allow for) FTL sensors. it won't be an issue.
 
2011-07-23 07:03:04 PM

maxximillian: evilmrsock: OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?

Okay, champ. Start from the center, and draw the straight line that doesn't intersect something.

[www.atlasoftheuniverse.com image 640x600]

You're missing the point. Space is very empty, Yes a galaxy is very large but most of that galaxy is very very empty. Even when galaxies collide most of the stars of the galaxies pass through those of the other without collision. If you wanted to hit an object in space blindly even at relativistic speeds you'd have to make your object impossibly huge, and impossibly dense.

I have been up all night and I don't feel like calculating the density of our solar system if it were sphere with distance from the sun to Pluto as it's radius but here is a figure I found about the density of the visible universe as a whole
"The mass density of visible matter (i.e., galaxies) in the Universe is estimated at 3e-28 kg/m^3" That's .00000000000000000000000000003kg per cubic meter. --clicky (new window)


/I totally agree with your statement. Two (or more) galaxies could and have, "run into each other" and passed though each other without incident. It doesn't happen much at all, but space is so huge..that yes..our galaxy could pass right through another..and although we would get a nice view of different stars, the odds of running into something else are astronomical. Heh.
 
2011-07-23 07:06:32 PM

evilmrsock: OhioKnight: You guy's DO know that the universe is REALLY EMPTY... like you're NEVER going to hit something empty? Like "Space is Big"?

Okay, champ. Start from the center, and draw the straight line that doesn't intersect something.


10/10

At least I hope you are trolling.
 
2011-07-23 07:07:58 PM

stoppit: Well done. Made me think back to an old GF who was one. Every guy should experience that craziness.


Ex-wife was like that. I miss it sometimes, especially now that the current GF has issued a "No Nookie" clause....

/Dammitallsomuch
//Drew is starting to look good...
///Call me, Drew. ;)
////Kidding
//Ultra slashies
 
2011-07-23 07:08:42 PM

clovis69: dustlesswalnut: Assuming our species doesn't annihilate itself before we can develop FTL technology things like this WILL be useful. That's like saying Ben Franklin's experiments that proved lightening was a massive charge of static electricity wasn't useful when, in fact, his discoveries influenced battery technology and the invention of the electric motor.

Science FTW.

It was there 12 billion years ago. FTL is pseudoscience and will happen the same time the rapture does.


Yeah and next you will be telling us God doesn't play dice Al.
 
2011-07-23 08:01:21 PM
One final note, each photon of light, as near as we can tell, travels infinitely faster than lighter. A photon after considering every possible path -- not conceivable, monkey boy, every possibility -- decides to travel a path from point a to b.

Birds can fly. We have heavier than air craft. However, we don't do it like birds. We input lots of energy to fly.
Photons can travel FTL. We can't do it yet. With enough energy input, we will too.


evilmrsock: Mission accomplished.
 
2011-07-23 08:06:17 PM

MaggotyBalogna: Perhaps we will yolk gravity as we have yolked wind,water,coal,uranium et al at some point in time but whereas the inevitability of human flight was demonstrated when the first wren was spotted taking to the skies by our ancestors there is NO precedent to prove or even suggest the inevitability of FTL travell.



This is a poor case - you are saying that because it hasn't been observed to your knowledge, and doesn't fit the current model, there must be no possibility of it. I imagine the anti-atom splitters felt that way a 150 years ago before the model of the atom was agreed upon. The interesting thing is, atomic splitting and fusion was hitting them in the face the whole time (see: the sun), they just never realized it that's how it worked.

Our current model of the universe is rather imperfect and has some inelegant mathematical hacks to explain low level phenomena... just like the old models of the atom and before. I would not discount FTL based on our very small knowledge.
 
2011-07-23 08:47:19 PM

greyw1980:
Photons can travel FTL.



i105.photobucket.com
 
2011-07-23 09:06:26 PM

MaggotyBalogna: Perhaps we will yolk gravity as we have yolked wind,water,coal,uranium et al


You sound like a crackpot. Come out of your shell and tell us what you really think. Otherwise, your white-washed vision of tomorrow risks sending you from the frying pan into the fire.
 
2011-07-23 09:33:25 PM
TheDirtyNacho
This is a poor case - you are saying that because it hasn't been observed to your knowledge, and doesn't fit the current model, there must be no possibility of it. I imagine the anti-atom splitters felt that way a 150 years ago before the model of the atom was agreed upon. The interesting thing is, atomic splitting and fusion was hitting them in the face the whole time (see: the sun), they just never realized it that's how it worked.

Our current model of the universe is rather imperfect and has some inelegant mathematical hacks to explain low level phenomena... just like the old models of the atom and before. I would not discount FTL based on our very small knowledge.


Just as there is no such thing as a talking duck , there is no such thing as matter that moves at the speed of light and the same deductive methodology used in arriving at the first conclusion is identical to the deductive methodology used to arrive at the second.
There is simply no preponderance of evidence to support ANY current or ,(more importantly), theoretical model of mans understanding of the Universe where matter can move at the speed of light .This is not to say that such a model will never be forthcomming but if there was then its frame work (however rickety and uncertain) would ALLREADY be in place for NO other reason than it is kind of the Holy Grail of 'mans quest to the stars'.... (next to finding inhabited worlds that is) .
We KNEW we would fly because of birds,would fly faster than sound because of thunder,would split the atom beacuse of Einsteins blackboard ( sun on the face notwithstanding). There is no phenomenon in the Universe either observed or hypothesised about to answer this question --->We will 'fly' faster than light because?
I believe its easier to find a talking duck than the aswer to that question.
 
2011-07-23 09:42:31 PM
FTL, you naysayers need to think slightly bigger. It may, in fact, be impossible to go faster than a photon on a straight one mile track. But who knows what developments we make in the future?
We might be able to create ships like the guild highliners from dune where space is folded so the origin and the destination are made closer, or perhaps teleporters can be made real via quantum entanglement.
 
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