Apparently some guy claiming to be a police officer has started shooting people on a holiday island with around 500 kids on it. Possibly connected.

TimSTP: I am Ahab: Cell phone video of the second explosion. (new window)

Uh, no.

shiat. Overzealous linking.

A guy dressed as a security guard when around a youth camp shooting people.

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Are you just going to let him write crap like this? did you see what he called all of us? I say ban him

Yeah, Enough with the Fark fat jokes.

kidgenius: d3bug: I thought we were discussing those in the Middle East... let me clarify: In the Middle East

And this bombing is in Norway, about 5000 miles away. If you are going to make a blanket statement about a religion, then it applies everywhere. Newsflash, the other billion muslims around the world just want to live their lives.

Even if just 0.1% of muslims either supported or committed terrorist acts, that's still over a million people supporting/committing terrorist acts worldwide. You realize how vocal a million people can be?

depends on the country they live in...
America - very vocal
Iran - Not a good idea to be vocal

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They are showing video occasionally of the damage. It was a huge farking bomb. Someone above mentioned AN fuel bomb, I wouldn't be surprised if they are right.

Tillmaster: Strange timing. At this time of the year in Nordic countries, virtually everyone is on holiday.
Either done by someone unfamiliar with Norway, or a warning shot.
Time will tell, I suppose.
Condolences to those affected.

THIS. Damn near everyone is on holiday. Either the bomber knows nothing about Norway and wasted his efforts, or this is supposed to be a warning shot. I don't know which is scarier.

/Trondheim
//can't understand the broadcasts, and Internet is down... damn frustrating
///this better not mess up my trip back to the States!

the_sidewinder: Crocodilly_Pontifex: that's stupid. It is possible to operate a meth-lab in secret. Insurgents take over neighborhoods and make sure everyone knows they're in charge. If they think you're too nice to your wife, they make you beat her. If you let your girls go around unscarfed, they kill them.

So now you are saying that it's fine to kill them because they were bullied into submission by the terrorists, I'm not sure how that is supposed to garner support for the idea of guilt by proximity

simple. if you don't fight back and kick them out, or run away, you're complicit.

Seen fleeing the scene:

cretinbob: CNN is now reporting a second moose has hit the south tower.

I don't know why that made me laugh. But it did.

d3bug: From what I understand of history, traditionally, neutral countries are always off limits in times of war...

So... it stands to reason, only two possibilities exist (assuming it was a terrorist attack):

1> Norway is not neutral
2> The terrorists claims of them engaging in a holy WAR is only an excuse to kill people because they are animals, and unworthy of breathing the same air the rest of us breathe.

I am personally going for #2...


THIS

The CRA had nothing to do with the housing and mortgage crisis in this country. Nothing. Not only were the majority of the institutions involved in the subrime crisis (and the subsequent mess) NOT regulated by the CRA, a recent study shows that CRA Banks were substantially less likely than other lenders to make the kinds of risky home purchase loans that helped fuel the foreclosure crisis.

- the repeal of Glass Steagall protections by the Financial Services Modernization Act
- the exemption of extremely risky securities from regulation through the Commodities Futures Modernization Act
- SEVENTEEN consecutive interest rate cuts by Greenspan,
- combined with the never ending stream of rhetoric from the Bush Whitehouse about the "ownership society"
- I TAKE IT IN THE ASS
- which led to a feeding frenzy of epic proportions in the housing markets, and consumption in general
- the abysmally stupid decision by the SEC to waive leverage rules
- the illiquidity caused by the subsequent 30 to 1 leverage ratios when the mortgages started to go down the crapper
- the 100 million dollar lobbying effort by the banks to change bankruptcy laws
- The Bush administrations successful dismantling of virtually all State regulations and banking laws through the preemption doctrine, despite the objections of all 50 State Attorneys general and all 50 State banking superintendents.
- I LIKE IT IN THE ASS
- the creation of ever riskier asset backed securities and collateralized debt obligations,
- the agencies that rate securities and the fact that they get fees from the companies whose products they are rating
- the use of credit default swaps to "insure' these crap securities and the undercapitalization of said insurance
- the fact that the financial forecasting models used by all these securities companies and hedge funds weren't updated to account for all the newly created event risk associated with the newly created POS CDOs

Virtually every one of these items can be traced back to the Bush administration (via the Office of Thrift Supervision, the Securities and Exchange Commision, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, etc), Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, banking industry lobbiests, and the senior management of banks themselves.

When you're prepared to discuss the overuse of credit arbitrage by huge hedge funds combined with the seemingly bottomless greed of lenders which led them to abandon long standing lending standards like employment history, income, down payments, credit rating, assets, property loan-to-value ratio and debt-servicing ability just to sell more mortgages that could be bundled into unregulated, improperly rated securities and sold off to unregulated financial institutions in a chain of overlevereged, badly modeled, underinsured, unregulated transactions, when you're ready to have that discussion, come on back and maybe you can sit at the grown-ups table.

Until then though, take your hacktackular partisan talking points about the Democrats and the CRA and shove them back into the orifice you obviously pulled them out of.

My heart goes out to you: you suck cock, you suck coont. Perhaps you should seek a refund.

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log_jammin: The democrats are trying to fix problems. when you try to fix problems you run into obstacle you have to overcome. Then people get pissy because the problem is taking too long to fix/costs too much/no magic unicorns.

But not only are the republicans saying fixing it will make things worse, they're saying they aren't supposed to fix problems at all. so all they have to do is point to failures and delays while they sit back and do nothing.

while the democrats are painting the house, the republicans are sitting under a shade tree, drinking a beer telling them they got the wrong paint, are leaving runs and missing spots.

On the Global Jihad Forums: "We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations & we have demanded that the countries of Europe withdraw from Afghanistan and end their war on Islam and Muslims. What you see is only the beginning and there is more to come."

Link for those who can access/read the forums: Link (new window)

Again, from Reddit.

I am Ahab: Cell phone video of the second explosion. (new window)

Yeah....NO. This is fake. Before you even posted the link in this thread the comments on that Youtube video were all saying it was a fake. Try harder next time you are going to try and stir up crap with fake videos.

I am Ahab: Cell phone video of the second explosion. (new window)

Fake.

I hear this guy is out of jail

ThisNameSux: A guy dressed as a security guard when around a youth camp shooting people.

Frank Nitti in "The Untouchables"

Tatsuma: Is that meta-trolling? Trolling someone by accusing them to troll when they are not? Being a retard while accusing others to be?

But enough about yourself. That's not in the thread rules, after all.

The shooting at the summer camp seems odd for an Islamic attack, given that there is really no relgious or political symbolism there. That's more of the Columbine "being a sociopath for sociopath sake" variety.

Crocodilly_Pontifex: the_sidewinder: Crocodilly_Pontifex: that's stupid. It is possible to operate a meth-lab in secret. Insurgents take over neighborhoods and make sure everyone knows they're in charge. If they think you're too nice to your wife, they make you beat her. If you let your girls go around unscarfed, they kill them.

So now you are saying that it's fine to kill them because they were bullied into submission by the terrorists, I'm not sure how that is supposed to garner support for the idea of guilt by proximity

simple. if you don't fight back and kick them out, or run away, you're complicit.

Sorry, but that's farking retarded. I think you *seriously* overestimate the ability of normal people to deal with terrorist groups. How the hell are the people who, according to you, have had their neighborhood taken over by thugs with AKs and RPGs supposed to kick them out? And keep in mind that uprooting your entire life and going elsewhere isn't exactly easy in a lot of places.

This thread is the worst thread. It reads like a youtube comment section.

make me some tea: Tatsuma: make me some tea: Yes, in fact one of their stated goals is to foster as much hatred in the West toward muslims as possible,

source?

So this is an interesting piece, if a bit dated (2005): Link (new window)

Al Qaeda's second objective, as identified by Al Adl, was to signal and support the "emergence of a new virtuous leadership" dedicated to opposing "the Zionist-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant coalition" that Al Qaeda blames for a litany of social and political ills in the Islamic world. Analysts have associated this stated objective with Al Qaeda leaders' views of themselves as the vanguard of a broader global Islamic movement and their desire to inspire political upheaval and change across the Islamic world. The third and "ultimate objective," according to Al Adl, "was to prompt [the United States] to come out of its hole." Al Adl claims that Al Qaeda wanted to provoke the United States into attacking areas of the Islamic world associated with the organization and its affiliates. In doing so, Al Adl claims, Al Qaeda hoped to make it easier to attack elements of U.S. power and to build its "credibility in front of [the Islamic] nation and the beleaguered people of the world."

It touches upon what I said I'd heard, but not completely. Still digging...

So they see a bunch of WASPs coming into their part of the world and screwing with their shiat. I wonder then, at whom they will be pissed?

Imagine if large contingent of a foreign country came into the US and started killing our citizens (justified or not from a global perspective). How many people do you think would ask God to help them expel those foreigners out of America? How many churches would start praying to have God help them in their time of need and to send them packing? Because people would be praying to God to assist them in their actions to get rid of these "invaders" (which is how we would view them), would that make them Christian terrorists? You think maybe some groups of people would come together, travel across the globe, maybe even to the invaders country to try to strike at the heart of their "enemy"?

This is not Islam calling for the unprovoked destruction of the west. This is a political retaliation where, these people, with nowhere left to turn are asking for God's help in returning their lives to them.

Dr. Quasius: This thread is the worst thread. It reads like a youtube comment section.

FAKE!! I CAN TEL BY THE PIKELS IN YOUR LETTRES

Dr. Quasius: This thread is the worst thread. It reads like a youtube comment section.

Welcome to Fark. Most breaking news threads read this way. Enjoy your stay.

/I know, you've been here for years
//still you should already know this...it's nothing new.

Maybe if Norway didn't bend over backwards for in blind support for Israel, or meddle in the affairs of Islamic countries, they wouldn't be victims of terrorism.

Oh wait...

d3bug: kidgenius: d3bug: I thought we were discussing those in the Middle East... let me clarify: In the Middle East

And this bombing is in Norway, about 5000 miles away. If you are going to make a blanket statement about a religion, then it applies everywhere. Newsflash, the other billion muslims around the world just want to live their lives.

Even if just 0.1% of muslims either supported or committed terrorist acts, that's still over a million people supporting/committing terrorist acts worldwide. You realize how vocal a million people can be?

depends on the country they live in...
America - very vocal
Iran - Not a good idea to be vocal

Wow. It's actually quite the other way around. The vocal ones are in the Middle East, calling for the destruction of the west in the name of god. The rest of the world is relatively silent. But that minority is amazingly vocal, and that's what we hear on our news.

InmanRoshi: The shooting at the summer camp seems odd for an Islamic attack, given that there is really no relgious or political symbolism there. That's more of the Columbine "being a sociopath for sociopath sake" variety.

Remember the attack on the school in Beslan, Russia?

One person arrested at the Labour Party youth camp in Ueotela.

The shooting up of a youth camp for the Labour Party has a neo-nazi flavor to it.

Calvin Butterball: megity: I am Ahab: mordi: Confirmed now. Still ongoing, police on the way. Multiple victims.

Norwegian news is reporting that people are trying to swim away from the island. The shiat is really hitting the fan right now.

where are you finding this? are "they" targeting KIDS??

BBC World Service just reported the shooting at the island. No reports of any deaths there (from what I've seen).

The Danish media are reporting at least one fatality, based on a phone conversation between a young lady on the island, and her father. Others injured.

kidgenius: d3bug: kidgenius: d3bug: I thought we were discussing those in the Middle East... let me clarify: In the Middle East

And this bombing is in Norway, about 5000 miles away. If you are going to make a blanket statement about a religion, then it applies everywhere. Newsflash, the other billion muslims around the world just want to live their lives.

Even if just 0.1% of muslims either supported or committed terrorist acts, that's still over a million people supporting/committing terrorist acts worldwide. You realize how vocal a million people can be?

depends on the country they live in...
America - very vocal
Iran - Not a good idea to be vocal

Wow. It's actually quite the other way around. The vocal ones are in the Middle East, calling for the destruction of the west in the name of god. The rest of the world is relatively silent. But that minority is amazingly vocal, and that's what we hear on our news.

I thought it would be obvious what I was talking about was vocality against those in power.

MuonNeutrino: Crocodilly_Pontifex: the_sidewinder: Crocodilly_Pontifex: that's stupid. It is possible to operate a meth-lab in secret. Insurgents take over neighborhoods and make sure everyone knows they're in charge. If they think you're too nice to your wife, they make you beat her. If you let your girls go around unscarfed, they kill them.

So now you are saying that it's fine to kill them because they were bullied into submission by the terrorists, I'm not sure how that is supposed to garner support for the idea of guilt by proximity

simple. if you don't fight back and kick them out, or run away, you're complicit.

Sorry, but that's farking retarded. I think you *seriously* overestimate the ability of normal people to deal with terrorist groups. How the hell are the people who, according to you, have had their neighborhood taken over by thugs with AKs and RPGs supposed to kick them out? And keep in mind that uprooting your entire life and going elsewhere isn't exactly easy in a lot of places.

I never said it was easy, but if you have a society that allows groups like this to reach a "critical mass" capable of doing these things, thats your choice.

I agree, it sucks, but until their societies change in such a way as to make these types of terrorist groups completely unacceptable, I wont feel bad.

As long as they say "I don't approve of their tactics, but I agree with their message," they get to dodge bombs.

InmanRoshi: The shooting up of a youth camp for the Labour Party has a neo-nazi flavor to it.

Yes. Tall blonde man in police uniform with machinegun.

d3bug: kidgenius: d3bug: kidgenius: d3bug: I thought we were discussing those in the Middle East... let me clarify: In the Middle East

And this bombing is in Norway, about 5000 miles away. If you are going to make a blanket statement about a religion, then it applies everywhere. Newsflash, the other billion muslims around the world just want to live their lives.

Even if just 0.1% of muslims either supported or committed terrorist acts, that's still over a million people supporting/committing terrorist acts worldwide. You realize how vocal a million people can be?

depends on the country they live in...
America - very vocal
Iran - Not a good idea to be vocal

Wow. It's actually quite the other way around. The vocal ones are in the Middle East, calling for the destruction of the west in the name of god. The rest of the world is relatively silent. But that minority is amazingly vocal, and that's what we hear on our news.

I thought it would be obvious what I was talking about was vocality against those in power.

Yeah, and it should have been quite obvious I was referring to the other way around. Negativity gets more airplay. If a million muslims speak out against violence, and a million speak out for it, which group is going to get heard?

NRK has unconfirmed report of one man arrested at Utoeya. 4 or 5 people wounded. Some camp members are swimming away/hiding in bushes. Traffic in and out of island has stopped.