Doesn't 'smote' imply death?

"As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

Walker: This article says it was 3 Children, 2 Adults, and 2 Dogs. Don't forget the dogs!

What kind of dogs? This is important.

jaylectricity: WTF Indeed: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

I was thinking it was weird that God would perform a miracle to save these people from his smiting.

God reserves his miracles for touchdown catches and home runs, instead of stopping plagues, droughts or the suffering of children.

WTF Indeed: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

Tim Minchin - "Thank You God"

Meh. Not even a lightning strike.

Now THAT'S smiting. None of this namby-pamby "smacking them with a branch" stuff.

I'd say it's a warning.

Pray harder and donate more money, or he'll drop more than just branches on you.

As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life

Thank god that god was there to lessen the damage from something that god could have just as easily prevented altogether!

Where's the Larsson comic square with God about to press the "smite" button on his computer?

/disappointed

The miracle would have been the branch being moved somehow in the air. Not dying is not a miracle.

/So much for worshipping something that does absolutely nothing for your well-being.

I think a bigger miracle would have been not getting hit with a branch in the first place.

sometimes god is a huge farking asshole.

/then again maybe one of those kids was going to grow up to be hilter

Splinshints: As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life

Thank god that god was there to lessen the damage from something that god could have just as easily prevented altogether!

This.

Smited?

Pfffftt ... Bible Camp?

WTF Indeed: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

They were blessed.

jaylectricity: WTF Indeed: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

I was thinking it was weird that God would perform a miracle to save these people from his smiting.

It was some sort of test of faith thing, I imagine.

"As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life," said the Rev. Michael Hall, pastor of the Peoples Church.

Fark that, god must have dropped the limb. They were bad Christians... this is just a polite reminder from him.

/Notice how many atheists had a tree fall on them that day...

This ain't your church picnic flare gun!

If a tree falls in the woods, and it hits an atheist, will Fark make a sound?

If I was God I would want my people to go out and do stuff, ya know, enjoy life. Not just sit around and pray to me. If I saw a bunch of my people just praying I'd try to send them a signal to cut it out. I'd have to disguise my signal somehow so it wasn't clear if it was from me or not. If it was a clear signal from me, everyone would sit around doing more praying, which is not what I want.

/I'm not God. HE works in mysterious ways.

Mercutio74: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life," said the Rev. Michael Hall, pastor of the Peoples Church.

Fark that, god must have dropped the limb. They were bad Christians... this is just a polite reminder from him.

/Notice how many atheists had a tree fall on them that day...

Is not enough an acceptable answer?

BroadbandGremlin: If a tree falls in the woods, and it hits an atheist, will Fark make a sound?

Since we don't think there's some dude watching our backs, we tend to stay away from shiat that will fall on us... or we at least keep an eye on it.

ShoeKing: If I was God I would want my people to go out and do stuff, ya know, enjoy life. Not just sit around and pray to me. If I saw a bunch of my people just praying I'd try to send them a signal to cut it out. I'd have to disguise my signal somehow so it wasn't clear if it was from me or not. If it was a clear signal from me, everyone would sit around doing more praying, which is not what I want.

/I'm not God. HE works in mysterious ways.

=-=-=--

So you're saying your name is Dionysus?

BroadbandGremlin: Is not enough an acceptable answer?

To be fair, Hitchens could have used a tree branch to the cranium a few years ago... I'm kinda loathe to have a log fall on a cancer patient however.

Until at last, I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountainside.

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: If a tree falls in the woods, and it hits an atheist, will Fark make a sound?

Since we don't think there's some dude watching our backs, we tend to stay away from shiat that will fall on us... or we at least keep an eye on it.

Christians know bad things happen to good people all the time despite their faith. That's why they're always thankful when they narrowly escape death.

As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life"

I think the pastor knows who the smiting was aimed at...

Gravity: more powerful than god.

So wait: Not God who dropped a tree branch on 5 of His faithful, but it is God who saved them from death by tree branch by permitting lesser injuries instead?

I'm confused, couldn't God have just declined to drop a tree branch on them in the first place and saved Himself the hassle of wound-management?

God isn't sitting there just waiting to smite people whether or not they're libtarded.

deadsanta: I'm confused, couldn't God have just declined to drop a tree branch on them in the first place and saved Himself the hassle of wound-management?

He can't be everywhere at once and do whatever he likes... oh, wait.

Wrong Bible.

Came for Burger King; where is your god now.

//leaves a disapoint

FTA: ...when a "tree-size" branch fell from a large oak directly onto the group.

What other size of branch is there?

What kind of dogs? This is important.

This is true...

unorignal, tasteless snark in 3...2...1....

That's their problem right there. They were playing games. They were at bible camp. They shoulda' been praying.

See libranoelrose cartoon.

BroadbandGremlin: If a tree falls in the woods, and it hits an atheist, will Fark make a sound?


Maybe, maybe not... But at least the atheists won't be stupid enough to credit some fictional magic wizard for saving them with only injuries from a calamity he caused.

Crediting god with a "miracle" for this is like praising me for my kindness after I came to your house and shot your wife and kids in the guts, but then left without actually killing them.

It was a miracle that God saved them from the work of Satan. God in this situation (well all situations really) deserves praise.

deadsanta: So wait: Not God who dropped a tree branch on 5 of His faithful, but it is God who saved them from death by tree branch by permitting lesser injuries instead?

I'm confused, couldn't God have just declined to drop a tree branch on them in the first place and saved Himself the hassle of wound-management?

But then the hospital wouldn't get paid, god is helping the economy recover.

5-hit combo! 2000 point bonus!

Hankie Fest: Smitten, subtard.

You sure the bible camp attendees weren't doing the smiting?
/dnrtfa

So the tree made a cracking noise before the branch fell?

It's like the concept of cause, effect and consequences is lost on certain people.

deadsanta: So wait: Not God who dropped a tree branch on 5 of His faithful, but it is God who saved them from death by tree branch by permitting lesser injuries instead?

I'm confused, couldn't God have just declined to drop a tree branch on them in the first place and saved Himself the hassle of wound-management?

Sure, if God caused the branch to fall. Satan is ever devious and spiteful to the faithful.

Mercutio74: deadsanta: I'm confused, couldn't God have just declined to drop a tree branch on them in the first place and saved Himself the hassle of wound-management?

He can't be everywhere at once and do whatever he likes... oh, wait.

DO NOT QUESTION THE WAYS OF THE LORD!

Seriously, whenever someone says "thank God ..." you can be sure if you take a second to think about it that it will make absolutely no sense in any context whatsoever. That's just how religion rolls.

Jument: Seriously, whenever someone says "thank God ..." you can be sure if you take a second to think about it that it will make absolutely no sense in any context whatsoever. That's just how religion rolls.

One of my favourite things to do when faced with the idiocy of religion in a group situation is to say, "Thank god I'm an atheist." Generally it plays well...

Mercutio74: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life," said the Rev. Michael Hall, pastor of the Peoples Church.

Fark that, god must have dropped the limb. They were bad Christians... this is just a polite reminder from him.

/Notice how many atheists had a tree fall on them that day...

Are you saying it was God cutting a switch to teach 'em a little lesson?

It was, indeed, a miracle. The branch fell just before Rev. Jimmy's "Special Naptime" and "Who's Got A Handful Of Sacred Salami?".

BroadbandGremlin: If a tree falls in the woods, and it hits an atheist, will Fark make a sound?

If God revealed himself to atheists when they're at atheist camp and smote them, then hell yeah we'd hear about it.

/Assuming He leaves any survivors.

Yesterday, if someone told me that some Muslims preach that Christianity is evil because it has been controlled by the Illuminati I would tell you to shut it. But wow, some are preaching that Christianity is evil.

BroadbandGremlin: Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: If a tree falls in the woods, and it hits an atheist, will Fark make a sound?

Since we don't think there's some dude watching our backs, we tend to stay away from shiat that will fall on us... or we at least keep an eye on it.

Christians know bad things happen to good people all the time despite their faith. That's why they're always thankful when they narrowly escape death.

Atheists know that faith doesn't really affect anything other than how one views the world. The universe would be just as chaotic tomorrow if you gave up your faith then as it is today while you still have it.

Bear in mind I take comfort in knowing that it will be several million years before the sun goes red giant and overtakes the earth. Not having a universe filled with demons and other supernatural shiat ready to rain hot, hot steamy apocalypse down upon the world at any given moment seems to be more comforting to me.

rcuhljr: deadsanta: So wait: Not God who dropped a tree branch on 5 of His faithful, but it is God who saved them from death by tree branch by permitting lesser injuries instead?

I'm confused, couldn't God have just declined to drop a tree branch on them in the first place and saved Himself the hassle of wound-management?

But then the hospital wouldn't get paid, god is helping the economy recover.

Yeah I just clicked on it to see how far it went before it was declared a miracle. 2 short intro paragraphs. Early, but hardly a record.

Great confirmation bias going on here.

Bad stuff happens. (meh)
But it could have been worse. (Yay! God saved us!)

the_sidewinder: SquiggelyGrounders: Sure, if God caused the branch to fall. Satan is ever devious and spiteful to the faithful.

If god is all powerful, couldn't he just have stopped the devil?

Sure. But God tests everyones faith at times.

Hankie Fest: Smitten, subtard.

Except that "smitten" now means "enamored." Plus, as others have pointed out, a tree branch hardly counts. All in all, WORST FARK HEADLINE EVAR.

Last year sometime someone posted a link to some you tube videos where a charming english man had some animations on why the judeo christian god didn't make much sense.

Can someone tell me the name of that fellow? or what to search for. I have been looking but cannot find it.

the_sidewinder: SquiggelyGrounders: Sure. But God tests everyones faith at times.

He comes across as jealous

Jealous that the faithful were being faithful?

You guys are silly, it is clear that the Devil dropped the limb on the faithful to drive them away from the Word. God saved them. They have this crazy cat and mouse game going on.

SquiggelyGrounders: the_sidewinder: SquiggelyGrounders: Sure. But God tests everyones faith at times.

He comes across as jealous

Jealous that the faithful were being faithful?

that they were having fun.

Kirk's_Toupee: Yesterday, if someone told me that some Muslims preach that Christianity is evil because it has been controlled by the Illuminati I would tell you to shut it. But wow, some are preaching that Christianity is evil.


I do not understand what you are saying here.

But what about the other side of the coin. If you believe in miracles from God, than what about the devil? Why is it the glass is always half full? Maybe the devil had his hand in this and punished those that aren't so faithful? Why is everything a blessing from God? You get your arm ripped off by a mountain lion. It's a blessing from God that you still have one more arm and you didn't bleed to death. WTF?

emotion_lotion: Last year sometime someone posted a link to some you tube videos where a charming english man had some animations on why the judeo christian god didn't make much sense.

Can someone tell me the name of that fellow? or what to search for. I have been looking but cannot find it.

You are probably thinking of Grey bloke. look him up on you tube even if you had some other charming english man in mind.

TrainingWheelsNeeded: You guys are silly, it is clear that the Devil dropped the limb on the faithful to drive them away from the Word. God saved them. They have this crazy cat and mouse game going on.

See, if god is a triple O god, if he is existence ("I am, I am"), then god is you and I and the Devil and everyone and everything.

I'm a lazy nihilist most of the time though, so what do I know?

caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.



What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

SquiggelyGrounders: the_sidewinder: SquiggelyGrounders: Sure, if God caused the branch to fall. Satan is ever devious and spiteful to the faithful.

If god is all powerful, couldn't he just have stopped the devil?

Sure. But God tests everyones faith at times.

Exactly. The faithful drop to their knees and thank God for not testing them very heavily. Thank the Lord is was only a tree branch and not a divine request to execute a family member or build a large vessel in the face of public ridicule. I'd be thankful if I dodged a God bullet like that too. Dude flips out and destroys a whole city for one tiny infraction one day, the next day he's telling you to welcome your deadbeat brother home with open arms. It's exhausting to even imagine keeping up with that guy's moods.

intransitive verbs, how do they farking work?

I could see this happening at a Biblical golf camp

/hot like Lacey Underall

AbbeySomeone: What kind of dogs? This is important.

Those little 40-yarders can all get smitten.

HAHAHAHAHA!

God is such a dick sometimes.

I usually keep a wide berth from trees, but if I must approach, then I take a circuitous approach. Yes, yes, I know...they can see me. I'm not stupid. I know they can see me, but I want them to think that I'm, say, amblin' over to the bunkhouse, because they start getting nervous if you just walk straight at them as fast as you can, with your arms and legs stiff as boards. Man I found that out the hard way. Yeah, I won't be making that mistake again.

And so once I get within a half mile or so, I start chanting the phrases that keep trees off their guard (listed them too many times here to repeat them again), and at a range of a quarter mile, I switch over to windmilling my arms (but you gotta keep 'em loose) and saying, "I'm walking this way, and if anybody gets in my way and they get hit, then oh well, I guess that's their fault. Ha ha ha just kidding! I won't hit you." Then at thirty feet or so I pretend to leap into the air with fright, do an exaggerated double-take, fall to the ground, then crawl up to the trunk, where I touch it three times in a row and kiss the roots.

That is the one weird trick to sneaking up on an oak tree.

thatguyjoe: emotion_lotion: Last year sometime someone posted a link to some you tube videos where a charming english man had some animations on why the judeo christian god didn't make much sense.

Can someone tell me the name of that fellow? or what to search for. I have been looking but cannot find it.

You are probably thinking of Grey bloke. look him up on you tube even if you had some other charming english man in mind.

Thanks, I will give this a listen but it is not what I am looking for.

It was more of a response to people pushing christianity on him. It had a nice way to describe eternity as something like..."imagine a bird flying past a planet and the birds wings scraped the surface taking a bit with it, repeat one by one until the planet was gone. That is one day in eternity"

BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

jaylectricity: WTF Indeed: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

I was thinking it was weird that God would perform a miracle to save these people from his smiting.

Yeah. This guy thinks God saved them, but doesn't stop to consider that the asshole chose to drop a tree branch on them in the first place.

Walker: This article says it was 3 Children, 2 Adults, and 2 Dogs. Don't forget the dogs!

That's right! Because dogs is just sgod spelled backwards.

I'm straining to tell the difference of between god being there or not.

BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Ironic? Do explain...

Bible camp, bible camp
Friendly neighborhood bible camp
Learn about, Jesus Christ
Try not to, get head lice
Come on
Down to the bible camp

In the chill of the night
While you pray in your bunk
Better think holy thoughts
Not be fondling your junk

BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

There are very few organized atheists.

/please ask your god to stop starving the poor kids ... they haven't even had a chance to do anything wrong.

stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

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1) Yes it is. I drew an unexpected interpretation of the image that the author did not intend. If it bothers you that much substitute the word "undetected" for the word ironic in my original statement.
2) Religious groups do more because they feel its part of their duty.
3) Tell that to atheists who try to remove crosses from road sides or the word heaven from street signs.
4) You're a condescending ass, but surprisingly enough that didn't win the argument for you.

BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.



Religious groups also kill more people than atheists so it's a wash.

BroadbandGremlin:

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What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

What's ironic about that? Many religions have support for the poor and downtrodden as part of their dogma. If more religious groups led by example (ie, not taking the name of the lord in vain by saying that others are going to Hell, which is God's choice and God's choice alone, by not spending money on their idols instead of on the poor and the downtrodden, etc) then they might actually make the world a better place. Unfortunately, even many religions that have poverty and help for the poor as core principles seem to ignore them.

Atheism has no core principles at all, thus doesn't have helping the poor as principles. On the other hand, per-capita, I'd bet that more money comes from the average Atheist than comes from the average Faithful.

Farking Canuck: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

There are very few organized atheists.

/please ask your god to stop starving the poor kids ... they haven't even had a chance to do anything wrong.

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Shouldn't you be taking action to end starvation yourself if you're certain there isn't a God?

God invented an existence defined by the contrast between pleasure and pain. I don't know why children have to suffer but I know its within our own power to end starvation so let's take action instead of blaming everything on God.

Psycoholic_Slag: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.



Religious groups also kill more people than atheists so it's a wash.

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I'll take the blame for the Crusades, Jihadists, and people who have killed in the name of God if you'll take the blame for social Darwinists, Stalin, Hitler, and other godless despots.

SquiggelyGrounders: the_sidewinder: SquiggelyGrounders: Sure. But God tests everyones faith at times.

He comes across as jealous

Jealous that the faithful were being faithful?

Actually, that's not it at all. The logical interpretation is that the test itself is a reflection of jealousy and insecurity, in that it betrays a need to test faith.

Why is God so insecure?

And why does he "test" little children to death based primarily on geographical location?

And you WORSHIP such a thing?

Once you give up on logic and fall back on the "faith" argument, you've lost and taken refuge in irrationality.

BroadbandGremlin: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: =-=-=-

1) Yes it is. I drew an unexpected interpretation of the image that the author did not intend. If it bothers you that much substitute the word "undetected" for the word ironic in my original statement.
2) Religious groups do more because they feel its part of their duty.
3) Tell that to atheists who try to remove crosses from road sides or the word heaven from street signs.
4) You're a condescending ass, but surprisingly enough that didn't win the argument for you.

1) No it's not. See above. Irony doesn't work like that.
2) Oh, so it's not because they want to, it's a duty. I'm an atheist and do quite a bit of charitable work because it's the right thing to do.
3) Umm, ok. "Hey atheists that organize into groups. Uh, you organize! Not in large numbers or anything, but you do organize. So there."
4) Better a condescending ass than a dumb ass. So if I claim I win now does that make it true? Maybe if I pray really hard?
5) Lemme repeat. You're dumb. But go ahead, keeping proving my point.

SquiggelyGrounders: the_sidewinder: SquiggelyGrounders: Sure, if God caused the branch to fall. Satan is ever devious and spiteful to the faithful.

If god is all powerful, couldn't he just have stopped the devil?

Sure. But God tests everyones faith at times.

I thought God was omnipotent. Why would an all-knowing omnipotent being need to test anyone, since he'd already know who's faithful? If he has to test, he ain't omnipotent.

BroadbandGremlin: God invented an existence defined by the contrast between pleasure and pain. I don't know why children have to suffer but I know its within our own power to end starvation so let's take action instead of blaming everything on God.

Shucks, if the whole system was created to inflict pain that we can contrast with pleasure then the terrible design does seem to be at fault. Why blame the pot for the potter's design?

BroadbandGremlin: Psycoholic_Slag: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.



Religious groups also kill more people than atheists so it's a wash.

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I'll take the blame for the Crusades, Jihadists, and people who have killed in the name of God if you'll take the blame for social Darwinists, Stalin, Hitler, and other godless despots.


At least they weren't hypocrites.

BroadbandGremlin: Shouldn't you be taking action to end starvation yourself if you're certain there isn't a God?

God invented an existence defined by the contrast between pleasure and pain. I don't know why children have to suffer but I know its within our own power to end starvation so let's take action instead of blaming everything on God.

Step 1: Stop telling poor people that contraception is evil.

BroadbandGremlin: 2) Religious groups do more because they feel its part of their duty.

It's kinda sad they need a stern god tapping his foot and looking at them intnently to cause them to do so. I mean it's great that starving kids are getting taken care of, but shouldn't it be because because human beings are suffering and it feels good and right to help out people in need?

The five Bible camp attendees smote what?

8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

I dunno, the dark ages were pretty shiatty too...

libranoelrose: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

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FTFY

emotion_lotion: Last year sometime someone posted a link to some you tube videos where a charming english man had some animations on why the judeo christian god didn't make much sense.

Can someone tell me the name of that fellow? or what to search for. I have been looking but cannot find it.

QualiaSoup maybe?

BroadbandGremlin: I'll take the blame for the Crusades, Jihadists, and people who have killed in the name of God if you'll take the blame for social Darwinists, Stalin, Hitler, and other godless despots.

Stalin wasn't evil because he was an atheist, and he didn't rule in the name of atheism. Hitler was a Catholic (and again, neither one of us needs him because he didn't do what he did for religion or atheism), and the acceptance of evolutionary theory, and it's application to meta-organisms, has nothing to do with religion or atheism. You can keep the crusaders and the jihaddists though...

BroadbandGremlin: libranoelrose: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

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FTFY

They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The look on the woman's face says it all: "Heh...uh...wtf am I gonna do with this?".

Pollexabator: SquiggelyGrounders: the_sidewinder: SquiggelyGrounders: Sure, if God caused the branch to fall. Satan is ever devious and spiteful to the faithful.

If god is all powerful, couldn't he just have stopped the devil?

Sure. But God tests everyones faith at times.

Exactly. The faithful drop to their knees and thank God for not testing them very heavily. Thank the Lord is was only a tree branch and not a divine request to execute a family member or build a large vessel in the face of public ridicule. I'd be thankful if I dodged a God bullet like that too. Dude flips out and destroys a whole city for one tiny infraction one day, the next day he's telling you to welcome your deadbeat brother home with open arms. It's exhausting to even imagine keeping up with that guy's moods.

So you are saying god is bi-polar/adhd and needs medication or is perpetually going through menopause/his time of the month?... Or both?

/ducks

Religion?



Fark yeah!

8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

=-=-=-

Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

BroadbandGremlin: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

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1) Yes it is. I drew an unexpected interpretation of the image that the author did not intend. If it bothers you that much substitute the word "undetected" for the word ironic in my original statement.
2) Religious groups do more because they feel its part of their duty.
3) Tell that to atheists who try to remove crosses from road sides or the word heaven from street signs.
4) You're a condescending ass, but surprisingly enough that didn't win the argument for you.

2) About a third of all the money given by individual Americans to charity last year was to churches. While the churches do social good, a large amount of that money goes directly to church maintenance and proselytizing which doesn't do much good for people in this life. Of the non-church donations, huge chunks went to university endowments. About half of all the money given to charity was to one of these two destinations. In terms of humanitarian causes, the largest two donors made up a huge portion of the remainder - nearly a third. These were Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, both agnostics.

3) Those guys are dicks. Just like the religious people who tell other people they're going to hell and use their power as a voting bloc to deny rights to those they disagree with.

BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

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Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

No, it's responsible for vilifying them for having children out of wedlock.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BroadbandGremlin: libranoelrose: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

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FTFY

They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The look on the woman's face says it all: "Heh...uh...wtf am I gonna do with this?".

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A hungry person cares because its not every day that a total stranger makes sure they're clothed and fed. "Why would this person take time out of their life and spend their money to help me?"

Hankie Fest: Smitten, subtard.

Not necessarily. In addition to being the past tense for "smite", "smote" is also an acceptable form of the past participle. "I was smitten by love" is correct, but "I was smote by love" isn't wrong, either.

GAT_00: Doesn't 'smote' imply death?

Not always.

1: to strike sharply or heavily especially with the hand or an implement held in the hand
2 a : to kill or severely injure by smiting b : to attack or afflict suddenly and injuriously
3 : to cause to strike
4 : to affect as if by striking
5 : captivate, take
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smite

You're thinking of meaning 2, but meanings 1 and 4 could apply.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The hungry person doesn't care... but that's not the point of this discussion. BG suggested that religious people are behaving altruistically by providing food for the starving. The counter to that is if God wasn't there waiting to reward them (or punish them for not doing it, depending on your sect) they likely wouldn't do it in as great a number as they are.

Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

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Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

No, it's responsible for vilifying them for having children out of wedlock.

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Which would prevent them from having children out of wedlock that could not be supported financially.. wait a second, what was your original point again...lol

BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

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Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

Catholic Church Fight Over Condoms Blocks NYC Clinic

An argument over condoms is keeping New York City's Greenwich Village without an urgent care clinic, the New York Daily News reports. North Shore/Long Island Jewish Medical Center, which received a $9 million state grant for a clinic in the neighborhood, is interested in opening it in the emergency room of the bankrupt and closed St. Vincent's Hospital, which was run by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York. However, officials from St. Vincent's insist the new clinic adhere to Catholic principles, including not counseling patients about birth control.


/You're still dumb.

A hungry person cares because its not every day that a total stranger makes sure they're clothed and fed. "Why would this person take time out of their life and spend their money to help me?"

the dutch call it geldingsdrang - the urge to somehow one's existence.

Hankie Fest: BroadbandGremlin: libranoelrose: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

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FTFY

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Huh. Plenty of atheists do such charitable works without a book. They do it 'cuz it's the right thing to do.

/Christian, but tired of the "Only Christians do good stuff" mentality

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What makes it the 'right thing to do?' Why prolong their suffering? Shouldn't they just be put out of their misery so they can experience the nothingness of the afterlife?

apologies : the dutch call it geldingsdrang - the urge to somehow validate one's existence.

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: I'll take the blame for the Crusades, Jihadists, and people who have killed in the name of God if you'll take the blame for social Darwinists, Stalin, Hitler, and other godless despots.

Stalin wasn't evil because he was an atheist, and he didn't rule in the name of atheism. Hitler was a Catholic (and again, neither one of us needs him because he didn't do what he did for religion or atheism), and the acceptance of evolutionary theory, and it's application to meta-organisms, has nothing to do with religion or atheism. You can keep the crusaders and the jihaddists though...

Since this guy mentioned evolution... in a religious thread....

PAGING BEVETS, YOUR EXPERTISE AND WISDOM ARE REQUIRED IN THIS REIGIOUS DISCUSSION!

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stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

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Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

Catholic Church Fight Over Condoms Blocks NYC Clinic

An argument over condoms is keeping New York City's Greenwich Village without an urgent care clinic, the New York Daily News reports. North Shore/Long Island Jewish Medical Center, which received a $9 million state grant for a clinic in the neighborhood, is interested in opening it in the emergency room of the bankrupt and closed St. Vincent's Hospital, which was run by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York. However, officials from St. Vincent's insist the new clinic adhere to Catholic principles, including not counseling patients about birth control.


/You're still dumb.

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Let's see, if Catholics aren't supposed to have children out of wedlock but they do... does that mean its the Catholic church's fault?

hmmmmm

minitrue noram: intransitive verbs, how do they farking work?

Since "smite" is transitive, why are you even asking that? Perhaps you're confusing the passive voice with intransitivity?

Atheists Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, who have each individually made the two largest charitable donations in American history and can rightly claim credit for spurring many other ultra-rich to do the same.
Now we can add another name to the list of atheist philanthropists - that of Robert W. Wilson, a retired hedge-fund manager and confirmed atheist who is giving over $22 million to charity.

So three of the richest people in the world, who are atheists, gave the largest donations in American history. Hmm....

Mercutio74: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The hungry person doesn't care... but that's not the point of this discussion. BG suggested that religious people are behaving altruistically by providing food for the starving. The counter to that is if God wasn't there waiting to reward them (or punish them for not doing it, depending on your sect) they likely wouldn't do it in as great a number as they are.

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It's more than just reward and punishment. The book teaches them about Jesus, his philosophy and his sacrifice. It's a way of living in which one puts others over the desires of self...

PAGING BEVETS, YOUR EXPERTISE AND WISDOM ARE REQUIRED IN THIS REIGIOUS DISCUSSION!

Hankie Fest: BroadbandGremlin:
What makes it the 'right thing to do?' Why prolong their suffering? Shouldn't they just be put out of their misery so they can experience the nothingness of the afterlife?

Are you implying that people only do good to their fellow humans because of Christianity? 'Cu that's messed up. Also, untrue.

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No, not at all. I'm just curious why survival of the fittest isn't part of an atheists reasoning when he sees someone suffering.

BroadbandGremlin: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

=-=-=-

Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

Catholic Church Fight Over Condoms Blocks NYC Clinic

An argument over condoms is keeping New York City's Greenwich Village without an urgent care clinic, the New York Daily News reports. North Shore/Long Island Jewish Medical Center, which received a $9 million state grant for a clinic in the neighborhood, is interested in opening it in the emergency room of the bankrupt and closed St. Vincent's Hospital, which was run by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York. However, officials from St. Vincent's insist the new clinic adhere to Catholic principles, including not counseling patients about birth control.


/You're still dumb.

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Let's see, if Catholics aren't supposed to have children out of wedlock but they do... does that mean its the Catholic church's fault?

hmmmmm

It said nothing about wedlock, dumbass.

BroadbandGremlin: It's more than just reward and punishment. The book teaches them about Jesus, his philosophy and his sacrifice. It's a way of living in which one puts others over the desires of self...

Oh, in a perfect world sure... but go out and talk to a large assortment of Christians. It's not like that in practice.

stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

=-=-=-

Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

Catholic Church Fight Over Condoms Blocks NYC Clinic

An argument over condoms is keeping New York City's Greenwich Village without an urgent care clinic, the New York Daily News reports. North Shore/Long Island Jewish Medical Center, which received a $9 million state grant for a clinic in the neighborhood, is interested in opening it in the emergency room of the bankrupt and closed St. Vincent's Hospital, which was run by the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York. However, officials from St. Vincent's insist the new clinic adhere to Catholic principles, including not counseling patients about birth control.


/You're still dumb.

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Let's see, if Catholics aren't supposed to have children out of wedlock but they do... does that mean its the Catholic church's fault?

hmmmmm

It said nothing about wedlock, dumbass.

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You responded in context to a post about "children out of wedlock"

memebot_of_doom: emotion_lotion: Last year sometime someone posted a link to some you tube videos where a charming english man had some animations on why the judeo christian god didn't make much sense.

Can someone tell me the name of that fellow? or what to search for. I have been looking but cannot find it.

QualiaSoup maybe?

Oooh, that's a good one. Some of my favorite topics are covered there. Thanks.

BroadbandGremlin: Mercutio74: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The hungry person doesn't care... but that's not the point of this discussion. BG suggested that religious people are behaving altruistically by providing food for the starving. The counter to that is if God wasn't there waiting to reward them (or punish them for not doing it, depending on your sect) they likely wouldn't do it in as great a number as they are.

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It's more than just reward and punishment. The book teaches them about Jesus, his philosophy and his sacrifice. It's a way of living in which one puts others over the desires of self...

His sacrifice? No, according to your book, he was sacrificed. Passive voice. Don't you remember him asking why he was foresaken? That wasn't what Jesus obviously wanted. Don't preach from a book that an atheist understands better than you do.

When god gives you lemons, you find a new god!

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: It's more than just reward and punishment. The book teaches them about Jesus, his philosophy and his sacrifice. It's a way of living in which one puts others over the desires of self...

Oh, in a perfect world sure... but go out and talk to a large assortment of Christians. It's not like that in practice.

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There is No True Scotsman, just a bunch lads blowing on their bagpipes.

And yet religious charities make huge efforts to feed, cloth, and save millions each year...

BroadbandGremlin: Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

=-=-=-

Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

No, it's responsible for vilifying them for having children out of wedlock.

=-=-=-

Which would prevent them from having children out of wedlock that could not be supported financially.. wait a second, what was your original point again...lol

I know several christians who have too many kids to support financially and are married. The question of wedlock or not is essentially moot.

BroadbandGremlin:

No, not at all. I'm just curious why survival of the fittest isn't part of an atheists reasoning when he sees someone suffering.

same reason we feel that way when we see a dog hit by a car.... works that way even without having to involve a god

BroadbandGremlin: Hankie Fest: BroadbandGremlin:
What makes it the 'right thing to do?' Why prolong their suffering? Shouldn't they just be put out of their misery so they can experience the nothingness of the afterlife?

Are you implying that people only do good to their fellow humans because of Christianity? 'Cu that's messed up. Also, untrue.

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No, not at all. I'm just curious why survival of the fittest isn't part of an atheists reasoning when he sees someone suffering.

Because atheists hold all sorts of opinions just like religious people? Why do (some) Christians think that homosexuality is a sin? For the same reason that (some) atheists think that they should try and help their fellow man for their own reasons.

(Personally, I think we should help our fellow man because we accomplish more when we work together. Neil Armstrong didn't get to the moon by pulling up on his bootstraps.)

stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: Mercutio74: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The hungry person doesn't care... but that's not the point of this discussion. BG suggested that religious people are behaving altruistically by providing food for the starving. The counter to that is if God wasn't there waiting to reward them (or punish them for not doing it, depending on your sect) they likely wouldn't do it in as great a number as they are.

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It's more than just reward and punishment. The book teaches them about Jesus, his philosophy and his sacrifice. It's a way of living in which one puts others over the desires of self...

His sacrifice? No, according to your book, he was sacrificed. Passive voice. Don't you remember him asking why he was foresaken? That wasn't what Jesus obviously wanted. Don't preach from a book that an atheist understands better than you do.

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Apparently you're giving yourself way too much credit. Jesus had a choice.

Matthew 26:53

Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

Netflix has some good documentaries on religion. One is Selling God.

Hankie Fest: BroadbandGremlin:

No, not at all. I'm just curious why survival of the fittest isn't part of an atheists reasoning when he sees someone suffering.

Wow. I haven't seen this much derp in a long time. I'm out.

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I have no problem with homosexuality either. Carry on.

Uranus: PAGING BEVETS, YOUR EXPERTISE AND WISDOM ARE REQUIRED IN THIS REIGIOUS DISCUSSION!

Ty.

/on mobile @ work

DORMAMU: BroadbandGremlin: Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

=-=-=-

Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

No, it's responsible for vilifying them for having children out of wedlock.

=-=-=-

Which would prevent them from having children out of wedlock that could not be supported financially.. wait a second, what was your original point again...lol

I know several christians who have too many kids to support financially and are married. The question of wedlock or not is essentially moot.

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Thank you Captain Anecdotal...

The question of wedlock is important because a two parent family has more resources to raise, feed, and clothe a child than a 1 parent family.

as an atheist, i'm okay with Hitler being "one of ours" (even though the Nazis were pretty heavy into that Christianity thing). and Stalin, sure. because once you look at the numbers, the people killed by "our" godless heathens are a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people killed in the name of faith.

murder, death, killing underscore every currency on the planet. and your "gods" are the reason you think its okay. i maybe some amoral misguided atheist fool, but i'm still sickened by what your imaginary friend says you're allowed to do.

oh yay, your bible group took a vacay and fed a few people. but you're back home now and content to not even know who else in the world is starving. your god assures you you're right, and so you're happy with the system that lets those people starve because it gets you god's oil and puts in your fat american car. oh of course, you're one of the chosen ones. you deserve it because you believe it, and until the rest of the world's starving peoples believe what you believe, you have no interest in making their world better. all your 'missions' are just to convert people to your chosen fantasy.

compassion? bullshiat.

BroadbandGremlin: DORMAMU: BroadbandGremlin: Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

=-=-=-

Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

No, it's responsible for vilifying them for having children out of wedlock.

=-=-=-

Which would prevent them from having children out of wedlock that could not be supported financially.. wait a second, what was your original point again...lol

I know several christians who have too many kids to support financially and are married. The question of wedlock or not is essentially moot.

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Thank you Captain Anecdotal...

The question of wedlock is important because a two parent family has more resources to raise, feed, and clothe a child than a 1 parent family.

so polygamous societies are even better. Once again, concept works without involving a god.

BroadbandGremlin: There is No True Scotsman, just a bunch lads blowing on their bagpipes.

And yet religious charities make huge efforts to feed, cloth, and save millions each year...


Not at all... I consider people who self-identify as Christians to be Christians. But even the structure of Christianity says something about how varied the practice of it is. If they are monolithic in belief, then why are there so many sects?

Also, you're right religious charities do... however, and this is not always the case, but sometimes food is paid for by being allowed to proselytize. And beyond that, I don't think it's possible that every single person who's helping feed these people is doing so 100% because of their love for mankind... Christianity has set itself up so that doing charity in this life, gets you rewarded in the "next".

Why is christianity so hard for you dullards to fathom? Simple premise, you live a temporary life on earth, which is a test. Depending on your faith, your immortal soul will either be punished or rewarded. The "touchdowns" could be god throwing in a reminder of his presence to people so that they keep their faith. The starving ethiopians are having a hellish existence on earth, but if they don't act like assholes before they die, then they get an eternity of heaven. Why some people are treated way better in mortal life is irrelevant because it is so insignificant compared to what the afterlife holds. It's pretty simple. Do I believe it? Nope. Is there any way to prove or disprove it? Nope. Do most of you nimrods look like retards every time you smugly point out the logical fallacy that is your misunderstanding of it? Yup.

BroadbandGremlin: Hankie Fest: BroadbandGremlin:
What makes it the 'right thing to do?' Why prolong their suffering? Shouldn't they just be put out of their misery so they can experience the nothingness of the afterlife?

Are you implying that people only do good to their fellow humans because of Christianity? 'Cu that's messed up. Also, untrue.

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No, not at all. I'm just curious why survival of the fittest isn't part of an atheists reasoning when he sees someone suffering.



It's part of my reasoning. I'll help a homeless individual in my town because I feel good about it (I'm selfish). People living on the other side of the world where there is famine, disease and genocide? Survival of the fittest.

/I'm a dick

BroadbandGremlin: No, not at all. I'm just curious why survival of the fittest isn't part of an atheists reasoning when he sees someone suffering.

You're only curious about that if the person is an atheist...? A benevolent creator is the only possible explanation for altruism and cooperation...? That would be a real bummer.

BroadbandGremlin: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: Mercutio74: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The hungry person doesn't care... but that's not the point of this discussion. BG suggested that religious people are behaving altruistically by providing food for the starving. The counter to that is if God wasn't there waiting to reward them (or punish them for not doing it, depending on your sect) they likely wouldn't do it in as great a number as they are.

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It's more than just reward and punishment. The book teaches them about Jesus, his philosophy and his sacrifice. It's a way of living in which one puts others over the desires of self...

His sacrifice? No, according to your book, he was sacrificed. Passive voice. Don't you remember him asking why he was foresaken? That wasn't what Jesus obviously wanted. Don't preach from a book that an atheist understands better than you do.

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Apparently you're giving yourself way too much credit. Jesus had a choice.

Matthew 26:53

Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

He did call on his father. And it didn't work. And he didn't have a choice since it was your "god's" plan or else you wouldn't be saved from your "sins". Like your mythology, it's bullshiat.

BroadbandGremlin: Matthew 26:53

That had to do with being arrested. When he was being crucified, he was forsaken. Matthew 45-50

The Death of Jesus

45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land.46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli,t lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").t

47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah."

48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink.49 The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him."

50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

ciberido: minitrue noram: intransitive verbs, how do they farking work?

Since "smite" is transitive, why are you even asking that? Perhaps you're confusing the passive voice with intransitivity?

because smote is the simple past tense of smite, and still takes an object?

Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: DORMAMU: BroadbandGremlin: Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

=-=-=-

Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

No, it's responsible for vilifying them for having children out of wedlock.

=-=-=-

Which would prevent them from having children out of wedlock that could not be supported financially.. wait a second, what was your original point again...lol

I know several christians who have too many kids to support financially and are married. The question of wedlock or not is essentially moot.

=-=-=-

Thank you Captain Anecdotal...

The question of wedlock is important because a two parent family has more resources to raise, feed, and clothe a child than a 1 parent family.

so polygamous societies are even better. Once again, concept works without involving a god.

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The original question was thus: Has the Catholic church created more starving children with their stance against birth control.

My point was that children are more likely to starve when had out of wedlock so if the Catholic church is not condoning children out of wedlock then there's a much smaller risk in also preventing birth control.

Now if Catholics condoned sex for pleasure out of wedlock then you would have a point.

An oak tree, eh? In a city full of marble columns and statues of Justice? And eagles?
How much clearer could Jupiter get?
/srsly.
//maybe not.
///no, srsly.

Smote em if you got em.

BroadbandGremlin: My point was that children are more likely to starve when had out of wedlock so if the Catholic church is not condoning children out of wedlock then there's a much smaller risk in also preventing birth control.

the african starving tend to be married....

memebot_of_doom: emotion_lotion: Last year sometime someone posted a link to some you tube videos where a charming english man had some animations on why the judeo christian god didn't make much sense.

Can someone tell me the name of that fellow? or what to search for. I have been looking but cannot find it.

QualiaSoup maybe?

Yes, I think this is the bloke. I just need to find the right one.

/ QualiaSoup is awesome !

Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: My point was that children are more likely to starve when had out of wedlock so if the Catholic church is not condoning children out of wedlock then there's a much smaller risk in also preventing birth control.

the african starving tend to be married....

Man, those pot bellied kids marry young...

Mercutio74: Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: My point was that children are more likely to starve when had out of wedlock so if the Catholic church is not condoning children out of wedlock then there's a much smaller risk in also preventing birth control.

the african starving tend to be married....

Man, those pot bellied kids marry young...

HA!
/their parents starve at the same rate

emotion_lotion: thatguyjoe: emotion_lotion: Last year sometime someone posted a link to some you tube videos where a charming english man had some animations on why the judeo christian god didn't make much sense.

Can someone tell me the name of that fellow? or what to search for. I have been looking but cannot find it.

You are probably thinking of Grey bloke. look him up on you tube even if you had some other charming english man in mind.

Thanks, I will give this a listen but it is not what I am looking for.

It was more of a response to people pushing christianity on him. It had a nice way to describe eternity as something like..."imagine a bird flying past a planet and the birds wings scraped the surface taking a bit with it, repeat one by one until the planet was gone. That is one day in eternity"



It's probably Pat Condell (new window)

BroadbandGremlin: libranoelrose: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

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FTFY

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Yay! Can I play?

Anyone want to turn this into a BIE thread? Anyone???

/EIP

I think the conjugation may go like this;

Past tense: "Wow, God really smote Heidi with a nice ass!"
Present tense: "I am totally smitten with Heidi's ass!"
Future tense: "On our date tonight, I'm gonna smite the hell outta Heidi's ass!"

I'm open to correction from any english/theology majors.

Daaammn, this thread was winning at first... but before I could even post "ilovethisthreadsomuch.jpg", a crew of farkers white knighting for the Tree Branch showed up.

/was more curious about the past perfect passive conjugation of "smite" anyway

WTF Indeed: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

Later on the article said the 'branch' was the size of your average tree.

stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: Mercutio74: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They gave them free food because they're afraid of an invisible sky monster? Why the hell does the hungry person care?

The hungry person doesn't care... but that's not the point of this discussion. BG suggested that religious people are behaving altruistically by providing food for the starving. The counter to that is if God wasn't there waiting to reward them (or punish them for not doing it, depending on your sect) they likely wouldn't do it in as great a number as they are.

=-=-=-

It's more than just reward and punishment. The book teaches them about Jesus, his philosophy and his sacrifice. It's a way of living in which one puts others over the desires of self...

His sacrifice? No, according to your book, he was sacrificed. Passive voice. Don't you remember him asking why he was foresaken? That wasn't what Jesus obviously wanted. Don't preach from a book that an atheist understands better than you do.

=-=-=-

Apparently you're giving yourself way too much credit. Jesus had a choice.

Matthew 26:53

Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

He did call on his father. And it didn't work. And he didn't have a choice since it was your "god's" plan or else you wouldn't be saved from your "sins". Like your mythology, it's bullshiat.

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There are many different ways to approach the statement.

1) Some claim Jesus was quoting Psalms 22:1

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?:

This was supposed to show that Jesus had fulfilled the prophecy in stated in Psalms 22:16-18.

"For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."

2) Some claim its mistranslated

And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice and said, Eli, Eli, lmana shabachthani! which means, My God, my God, for this I was kept!

Matthew 27:46, translated by George Lamsa


And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice and said, "God, God, why have you spared me?"

Matthew 27:46, translated by LWM

3) Most people realize that Jesus had a choice throughout the ordeal. As I showed in Matthew 26:53, Jesus had a choice even before he was arrested.

4) Some people believe that the deal had already been made at that point and the sacrifice was complete.

Either way, you seem to be hung up on this notion. If the authors of the Gospel really thought this text meant what you are saying why would they include it in the text? Obviously they and those who canonized the Bible disagree with your interpretation, but to each their own...

BroadbandGremlin: DORMAMU: BroadbandGremlin: Uranus: BroadbandGremlin: 8ace: BroadbandGremlin: What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

Organised religion has led to a lack of birth control. The foremost f**king stupid thing any organised anything has led to. But god did it, right?

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Organized religion isn't responsible for people having children out of wedlock now is it?

No, it's responsible for vilifying them for having children out of wedlock.

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Which would prevent them from having children out of wedlock that could not be supported financially.. wait a second, what was your original point again...lol

I know several christians who have too many kids to support financially and are married. The question of wedlock or not is essentially moot.

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Thank you Captain Anecdotal...

The question of wedlock is important because a two parent family has more resources to raise, feed, and clothe a child than a 1 parent family.

Nice side step. Seriously.

how bout I shift gears a bit...

there are children out of wedlock. This is a fact and has been for a very long time.

There are children in single parent homes. This is another fact. Now the cause of this is debatable, but yes I will concede a majority is out of wedlock children. even if this is eliminated, you will still have people with too many children to support. spouse dies & divorce would be large contributors (unless u force immediate remarriage and that could lead to more divorce unless u want the children growing up in abusive homes, yes christians have thise too)

Now, let us go deeper. The number 1 contributing factor of violence, besides human stupidity, is religion. It could be idealogical (see the middle ages crusades), could be cleansing (entitlement of ethnicity may or may not apply), or used as an excuse for personal gain. This last one includes usinb relgion as a tool to make war/violence. (see eric the red who used christianity to unite the vikings cause he wanted to be king) (also see modern day terrorists who use islam as a recruiting tool "god commands")

God must see us using him, his word, and twisting his word for our own desires he must sometimes want to sayy fark it.

/i must say bravo at your skill sir
//no sarcasm on first line or in slashies of this post

BroadbandGremlin: Either way, you seem to be hung up on this notion. If the authors of the Gospel really thought this text meant what you are saying why would they include it in the text? Obviously they and those who canonized the Bible disagree with your interpretation, but to each their own...

God would have done so much better if he had divinely inspired a more coherent text and divinely inspired better translators.

Why is god the good guy and the devil, aka satan, the bad guy? If you read the bible, god was responsible for millions of deaths. fark, he killed all the life on earth except for what was saved on noah's ark. He basically exterminated anything and anyone he didn't like. God is a total psychopath. As for satan, the bible doesn't mention a single bad thing he did. He never killed anyone. So ... why are people praying to the god of the bible?

You could compare the bible to a history book written by stalin, and satan is, like, trotsky.

caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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CSS:

Ugh, I was drunk at a BBQ and an old friend who I hadn't seen in a while wanted to have a philosophical discussion. She knows I'm an atheist. I SERIOUSLY tried to stay out of it. But she insisted. She was arguing that fate was real and that there was some sort of supernatural power that overlooks your life and helps you. Her proof? She found a $20 bill in the back seat of her car when she was low on gas and forgot her purse at home one day.

So I tell her "So.... you are telling me that the 6 month old baby who's HIV-positive father raped him setting him up for a death at age 1 was FATED to do that by a supernatural power that cares for him?"

It was like she didn't even hear me.

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: Either way, you seem to be hung up on this notion. If the authors of the Gospel really thought this text meant what you are saying why would they include it in the text? Obviously they and those who canonized the Bible disagree with your interpretation, but to each their own...

God would have done so much better if he had divinely inspired a more coherent text and divinely inspired better translators.

I dunno, Christianity has been quite successfully spread so those authors did a pretty darn good job of getting the basic notion of sacrifice for our sins down.

Gaylord Fister: Why is god the good guy and the devil, aka satan, the bad guy? If you read the bible, god was responsible for millions of deaths. fark, he killed all the life on earth except for what was saved on noah's ark. He basically exterminated anything and anyone he didn't like. God is a total psychopath. As for satan, the bible doesn't mention a single bad thing he did. He never killed anyone. So ... why are people praying to the god of the bible?

You could compare the bible to a history book written by stalin, and satan is, like, trotsky.

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I dunno, I guess when you're an eternal God who has created eternal souls you place the most importance on the eternal things and don't worry so much about the finite physical bodies.

DORMAMU: Now, let us go deeper. The number 1 contributing factor of violence, besides human stupidity, is religion.

You're going to have to cite some evidence for that one.

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: Either way, you seem to be hung up on this notion. If the authors of the Gospel really thought this text meant what you are saying why would they include it in the text? Obviously they and those who canonized the Bible disagree with your interpretation, but to each their own...

God would have done so much better if he had divinely inspired a more coherent text and divinely inspired better translators.

For real. All it would have taken was a bit of objective knowledge that was totally unknown at that time. A mention of the structure of DNA, a mathematical theorem that he knew would take a few centuries to solve, maybe a few cool hints on viruses and bacteria. Hell, a vague warning about the destructive force of the show Jersey Shore would have done wonders in leading the Thomas' of the world to His divine truth. Nope, we didn't get that, but hey, some people have third nipples. Yaweh has always had a serious maturity problem.

BroadbandGremlin: I dunno, Christianity has been quite successfully spread so those authors did a pretty darn good job of getting the basic notion of sacrifice for our sins down.

Sucessful in a sales aspect, yes. Successful in comprehension... there's an argument just upthread about the use of the word "forsaken" in Jesus' last words. How many other words and concepts are wrong?

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: Either way, you seem to be hung up on this notion. If the authors of the Gospel really thought this text meant what you are saying why would they include it in the text? Obviously they and those who canonized the Bible disagree with your interpretation, but to each their own...

God would have done so much better if he had divinely inspired a more coherent text and divinely inspired better translators.

Maybe he just needs a better editor? Ooh, I know - get Michael Bay to do the film adaptation!!! I'd totally go see that

Praise Cheesus: Mercutio74: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life," said the Rev. Michael Hall, pastor of the Peoples Church.

Fark that, god must have dropped the limb. They were bad Christians... this is just a polite reminder from him.

/Notice how many atheists had a tree fall on them that day...

Are you saying it was God cutting a switch to teach 'em a little lesson?

Another cool story:

One of my friends argues that God only gives babies to women "when they are ready". She wasn't just saying this to make a friend who had a hard pregnancy feel better. She BELIEVED this. So I tell ask, so if that is the case how is it we have so many young pregnant girls... in fact her own sister is a teen mother.."

Her answer "Oh, that's just God teaching those girls a lesson not to be such sluts."

/I seriously need some new friends

Lollipop165: caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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CSS:

Ugh, I was drunk at a BBQ and an old friend who I hadn't seen in a while wanted to have a philosophical discussion. She knows I'm an atheist. I SERIOUSLY tried to stay out of it. But she insisted. She was arguing that fate was real and that there was some sort of supernatural power that overlooks your life and helps you. Her proof? She found a $20 bill in the back seat of her car when she was low on gas and forgot her purse at home one day.

So I tell her "So.... you are telling me that the 6 month old baby who's HIV-positive father raped him setting him up for a death at age 1 was FATED to do that by a supernatural power that cares for him?"

It was like she didn't even hear me.

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I don't know why children and the innocent people suffer.

The sad truth is bad things happen to all sorts of people. Its most likely that God's creation runs on its own and only divine intervention and human free will can stop it. I'm assuming such a design has a reason and that sadly without pain or suffering there really wouldn't be much definition to life.

That paragraph hasn't made me feel any better when I've watched family members suffer and die, but I think life as we live it is defined by the contrasts between pain and pleasure.

Uranus: PAGING BEVETS, YOUR EXPERTISE AND WISDOMout of context quotes ARE REQUIRED IN THIS RE(l)IGIOUS DISCUSSION!


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FTFY

Have a great evening.

Egalitarian: CSS time:
When I was working at a fast food joint in my misbegotten youth, in the South, a similarly-aged coworker had to tell me about the exciting miracle she had experienced at a religious camp. She and other people were standing on the covered front porch of a cabin, watching a thunderstorm, when a lighting bolt hit the tree in the front yard. "Wasn't that miraculous of God to plant that tree so many years before so that we were saved?"

Even at 16 my brain was sarcastically saying "Who threw the lightning bolt, Thor???" while my mouth shut firmly and my eyes sort of bulged out, upon which my coworker backed off and went back to her cash register.

That was when I realized I was a stranger in a strange land.

The advantage of this sort of anecdote is that any outcome is miraculous. Imagine her family telling the story of how their daughter died in a lightning strike and how miraculous it was that a) God wanted her enough to call her home early; and b) what a miracle it was that God used their daughter as a lesson to all of us to install lightning rods. Just think how many deaths God might have saved by killing her with that particular bolt. God wasted an opportunity for a fine miracle.

BroadbandGremlin: Have a great evening.

you too...

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: I dunno, Christianity has been quite successfully spread so those authors did a pretty darn good job of getting the basic notion of sacrifice for our sins down.

Sucessful in a sales aspect, yes. Successful in comprehension... there's an argument just upthread about the use of the word "forsaken" in Jesus' last words. How many other words and concepts are wrong?

Apparently not enough to muddle the general message and keep it from spreading.

BroadbandGremlin: Lollipop165: caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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CSS:

Ugh, I was drunk at a BBQ and an old friend who I hadn't seen in a while wanted to have a philosophical discussion. She knows I'm an atheist. I SERIOUSLY tried to stay out of it. But she insisted. She was arguing that fate was real and that there was some sort of supernatural power that overlooks your life and helps you. Her proof? She found a $20 bill in the back seat of her car when she was low on gas and forgot her purse at home one day.

So I tell her "So.... you are telling me that the 6 month old baby who's HIV-positive father raped him setting him up for a death at age 1 was FATED to do that by a supernatural power that cares for him?"

It was like she didn't even hear me.

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I don't know why children and the innocent people suffer.

The sad truth is bad things happen to all sorts of people. Its most likely that God's creation runs on its own and only divine intervention and human free will can stop it. I'm assuming such a design has a reason and that sadly without pain or suffering there really wouldn't be much definition to life.

That paragraph hasn't made me feel any better when I've watched family members suffer and die, but I think life as we live it is defined by the contrasts between pain and pleasure.

Honestly, I understand people's faith in God and their need for some assemblance in this world. I totally get it, and respect it and that's why I don't like getting into conversations with people unless they are prepared for some serious philosophical discussions on it. But this girl, well, she's no St.Thomas which is why I wasn't interested in speaking with her on this matter. The fact that she could use a $20 bill as proof of fate and the supernatural... I just... UGH.

BroadbandGremlin: Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: I dunno, Christianity has been quite successfully spread so those authors did a pretty darn good job of getting the basic notion of sacrifice for our sins down.

Sucessful in a sales aspect, yes. Successful in comprehension... there's an argument just upthread about the use of the word "forsaken" in Jesus' last words. How many other words and concepts are wrong?

Apparently not enough to muddle the general message and keep it from spreading.

The ambiguity may be a main selling point, though. If there are enough contradictory messages and enough obfuscation of the point, people can see different things in it and buy it even if it itself isn't well defined. But you are gone.

minitrue noram: intransitive verbs, how do they farking work?

ciberido: Since "smite" is transitive, why are you even asking that? Perhaps you're confusing the passive voice with intransitivity?

minitrue noram: because smote is the simple past tense of smite, and still takes an object?

Uh, yeah... "smote" is the simple past tense of "smite," correct, and "smite" takes an object, correct. You're totally right about those two facts. I'm not sure what your point is, though.

The issue was that right at the very beginning, Hankie Fest claimed that "5 Bible camp attendees smote" was incorrect and should be changed to "5 Bible camp attendees smitten." He was correct, inasmuch as the passive voice calls for the past participle, which makes "smitten" the obvious choice. I pointed out, however, that because "smote" is an acceptable alternative form of the past participle of "smite" AS WELL AS being the simple past tense of "smite," both are actually correct.

As far as I know, none of this has anything to do with whether "smite" is transitive or intransitive. As far as I know, nobody in this thread but you is making transitivity an issue. So again, I'm not at all sure what your point is.

I think you may be confusing the terms transitive, intransitive, and passive. I'm not saying for sure that's what's going on. I just honestly don't understand what you are trying to say at this point.

Might be fitting as a last hurrah... (new window)

y'all arguing with this dude forgot one basic thing. he believes in an invisible man in the sky. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

"As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

I don't think they've carried this piece of logical deduction all the way through

BroadbandGremlin: DORMAMU: Now, let us go deeper. The number 1 contributing factor of violence, besides human stupidity, is religion.

You're going to have to cite some evidence for that one.

I already did.


Eric the red
Middle ages crusades (europe to the holy land)
Modern day terrorists (I e alqaeda)

If you want more see

Spanish inquisition
Spanish conquistadors
How about abortion clinic bombings of the late 80's & 90's? Many of the perpertrators specifically stated they did it because it was gods work or his instructions.

Here is one specifically related to christians:

The persecution of early christians and feeding them to the lions in the roman collisieum. Is this not part of christian teachings.

Now this is no way restricted to christianity and islam. I am personally more familiar with christian history.

I am also not claiming religion does not also provide some good in the world. I am merely highlighting that many horros have been committed in religions name. Think of it as 2 sides of the same coin. To ignore one because it doest fit into your view is very hubris and vane.

BroadbandGremlin:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

"Organized atheists" is an oxymoron. If we were the least bit organized we wouldn't be so politically marginalized.

BroadbandGremlin: Lollipop165: caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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CSS:

Ugh, I was drunk at a BBQ and an old friend who I hadn't seen in a while wanted to have a philosophical discussion. She knows I'm an atheist. I SERIOUSLY tried to stay out of it. But she insisted. She was arguing that fate was real and that there was some sort of supernatural power that overlooks your life and helps you. Her proof? She found a $20 bill in the back seat of her car when she was low on gas and forgot her purse at home one day.

So I tell her "So.... you are telling me that the 6 month old baby who's HIV-positive father raped him setting him up for a death at age 1 was FATED to do that by a supernatural power that cares for him?"

It was like she didn't even hear me.

=-=-=-

I don't know why children and the innocent people suffer.

The sad truth is bad things happen to all sorts of people. Its most likely that God's creation runs on its own and only divine intervention and human free will can stop it. I'm assuming such a design has a reason and that sadly without pain or suffering there really wouldn't be much definition to life.

That paragraph hasn't made me feel any better when I've watched family members suffer and die, but I think life as we live it is defined by the contrasts between pain and pleasure.

Agreed.

Overall, a decent discussion.

Mercutio74: BroadbandGremlin: I'll take the blame for the Crusades, Jihadists, and people who have killed in the name of God if you'll take the blame for social Darwinists, Stalin, Hitler, and other godless despots.

Stalin wasn't evil because he was an atheist, and he didn't rule in the name of atheism. Hitler was a Catholic (and again, neither one of us needs him because he didn't do what he did for religion or atheism), and the acceptance of evolutionary theory, and it's application to meta-organisms, has nothing to do with religion or atheism. You can keep the crusaders and the jihaddists though...



Gott Mit Uns (God With Us)

stpauler: BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly:
What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

1) That's not irony. Please learn the term.
2) Obviously religious groups will do more. Why? Because there are more religious people. It's a false argument.
3) Atheists aren't all organized into any special groups.
4) You're dumb since I had to spell that all out to you.

5) There's no free lunch; Religious groups like to use their "charities" as a means for proselytizing. Atheists offer help to others out don't predicate it on those people renouncing their faith.

DORMAMU: BroadbandGremlin: DORMAMU: Now, let us go deeper. The number 1 contributing factor of violence, besides human stupidity, is religion.

You're going to have to cite some evidence for that one.

I already did.


Eric the red
Middle ages crusades (europe to the holy land)
Modern day terrorists (I e alqaeda)

If you want more see

Spanish inquisition
Spanish conquistadors
How about abortion clinic bombings of the late 80's & 90's? Many of the perpertrators specifically stated they did it because it was gods work or his instructions.

Here is one specifically related to christians:

The persecution of early christians and feeding them to the lions in the roman collisieum. Is this not part of christian teachings.

Now this is no way restricted to christianity and islam. I am personally more familiar with christian history.

I am also not claiming religion does not also provide some good in the world. I am merely highlighting that many horros have been committed in religions name. Think of it as 2 sides of the same coin. To ignore one because it doest fit into your view is very hubris and vane.

I forgot...

As another example of note:

See west boro baptist church

True not violence, but religion being used to spread hate, or worse, to make a buck

BroadbandGremlin: caddisfly: "As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle that someone didn't lose his life,"

Such a low threshold for miracles.

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What's ironic about that image is that organized Religious groups do more for starving children than organized atheists.

BOOM BABY!

DORMAMU:
I forgot...

As another example of note:

See west boro baptist church

True not violence, but religion being used to spread hate, or worse, to make a buck

You've cited religious violence, but provided no source for the claim that it's #2 on some grand list of "contributing factors of violence."

It makes your case, and your point, look very weak if you make claims like "#1" and "#2" which are fairly easily disputed. Like people who make up other statistics (and putting things in a list of frequencies is a type of statistic) you damage your own case with the over the top rhetoric.

I'd wager that if there was an actual ordinal set of factors contributing to violence, we'd find want (including hunger, for example) and greed to be ranked higher than religion.

You've not even included a definition of violence, let alone how you arrived at #1 and #2. Heck, by some definitions of violence, the need to eat probably causes more violence than anything else. We kill plants and animals to eat all the time, don't we?

/Not sure why I'm trying, but there you go.

eepapapee: Kirk's_Toupee: Yesterday, if someone told me that some Muslims preach that Christianity is evil because it has been controlled by the Illuminati I would tell you to shut it. But wow, some are preaching that Christianity is evil.


I do not understand what you are saying here.

I don't think I understood it either. Basically, some say that if you worship Jesus you will go to hell.

Pollexabator: For real. All it would have taken was a bit of objective knowledge that was totally unknown at that time. A mention of the structure of DNA, a mathematical theorem that he knew would take a few centuries to solve, maybe a few cool hints on viruses and bacteria. Hell, a vague warning about the destructive force of the show Jersey Shore would have done wonders in leading the Thomas' of the world to His divine truth. Nope, we didn't get that, but hey, some people have third nipples. Yaweh has always had a serious maturity problem.

God didn't know about DNA, viruses, bacteria and such? Strange god you have there.

Perhaps he was busy testing people? Or this was a test? Or, Satan being the ultimate trickster is actually the god you have been praying to all this time and god is really satan. Now THAT's a test! It would make sense that satan would have to test you. God wouldn't need to do so since he has always known the outcome for all eternity. You guys really better get on the right side of this before it's too late.

Hankie Fest: Smitten, subtard.

This bears repeating. I weep for the past participle.