sigdiamond2000: In what universe is this considered "police brutality?"


None but 150 protestors are nothing compared to San Francisco. You can find 150 people willing to protest against anything there.

sigdiamond2000: That headline is actually being quite generous, submitter:

Kenneth Wade Harding, 19, was shot and killed in the Bayview neighborhood Saturday after he allegedly fired at two officers who had asked him if he had a Muni ticket.

Harding was a Washington state parolee who was being sought for questioning in connection with a Seattle killing last week. He ran from the San Francisco officers and fired a gun from under his arm before the officers shot back and struck him, police said.

About 150 people gathered in Dolores Park at 5 p.m. to protest Harding's shooting and Bay Area police conduct in general.

...

The discovery of gunshot residue on Harding's right hand "supports statements from witnesses that Harding held the gun in his right hand as he fired at the police officers," Esparza said.

In what universe is this considered "police brutality?"

They were supposed to shoot the gun out of his hands.

let's not protest crime....let's protest the lack of crime!!!....and make some of our own

Fail subby - you forgot to include rainbow flags and people dressed in assless chaps.

if you're goin, to san. fran. cisco.
you're gonna meet some gentle people there.

Remember, since these are liberals their behavior is not representative of the the left. If they were conservatives, you would be free to use the broadest brush possible to smear the right with their behavior.

Man, the weather looks awesome out there. I'm sweating my balls off here in GA, and they're chilling in sweaters. The one dude looks like he went straight to the riot from an LL Bean catalog in his forest green cable-knit sweater.

And some of those chicks are pretty hot. I wonder if I could get some before I'm accused of being a narc.

/hot

Dear protestors,

Came by to point out that these white hipsters protesting the shooting of a murderous felon held their protest in the safety of the Castro.
/because Bayview is full of scary black people

Rapmaster2000: Man, the weather looks awesome out there. I'm sweating my balls off here in GA, and they're chilling in sweaters. The one dude looks like he went straight to the riot from an LL Bean catalog in his forest green cable-knit sweater.

Well, you know the old saw: "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco."

beta_plus: Remember, since these are liberals their behavior is not representative of the the left. If they were conservatives, you would be free to use the broadest brush possible to smear the right with their behavior.

And you are a racist!

Rapmaster2000: Man, the weather looks awesome out there. I'm sweating my balls off here in GA, and they're chilling in sweaters. The one dude looks like he went straight to the riot from an LL Bean catalog in his forest green cable-knit sweater.

And some of those chicks are pretty hot. I wonder if I could get some before I'm accused of being a narc.



So long as you bring the kind bud.

Mob-Doc: Came by to point out that these white hipsters protesting the shooting of a murderous felon held their protest in the safety of the Castro.
/because Bayview is full of scary black people

Hipster protestors? Please. Nothing is more unhip than giving a shiat about something. These are your typical anarchist/straightedge kids. Fight the system kids. SF is full of them.

Hipsters were too hungover to show up at any protest. They had brunch plans and then the park. But mostly, hipsters moved to LA.

Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality.

That story of reminds me again why I find the blind cop hate you see on the net so funny sometimes.

Police said he had a gun that he fired, witnesses said he had a gun, it was a guy who was on the run in connection with someone being murdered... Even assuming they didn't know about the residue, did they really think this was such a clear case of police brutality that it called for a protest?

beta_plus: Remember, since these are liberals their behavior is not representative of the the left. If they were conservatives, you would be free to use the broadest brush possible to smear the right with their behavior.

Welcome to being a part of the problem.

Hey, San Francisco! The 60's called. They want their angry rhetoric back.

lucksi: Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

On the plus side, the world is rid of one gun toting loon.

lucksi: Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

But seeing he had a gun and a warrant for murder, that little bus fare ticket would have been a free ride back to Seattle.

lucksi: Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

A parolee for trying to prostitute a fourteen year old and wanted for questioning in regards to the death of a pregnant lady. He was not exactly an upstanding citizen.

If you take all the people that didn't actually grow up in SF out of here, it would probably be a pretty decent place to live. I popped my head out at work to make sure the protest wasn't escalating and all I saw were fat white hipster kids running to Ellis. I can't wait to get out of here.

Besides, the way MUNI is so screwed up, we take fare evasion seriously. They have to make money somehow.

Those dipshiats should have recieved some nice police butality to whine about themselves.

Pulling guns on cops is bad for your health.

Liberals being liberals.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rapmaster2000: Mob-Doc: Came by to point out that these white hipsters protesting the shooting of a murderous felon held their protest in the safety of the Castro.
/because Bayview is full of scary black people

Hipster protestors? Please. Nothing is more unhip than giving a shiat about something. These are your typical anarchist/straightedge kids. Fight the system kids. SF is full of them.

Hipsters were too hungover to show up at any protest. They had brunch plans and then the park. But mostly, hipsters moved to LA.

This is... actually pretty astute.

/Baby, they are anarchists, hipsters are spineless liberals


It's not that I'm spineless. I just don't care.

Seacop: lucksi: Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

But seeing he had a gun and a warrant for murder, that little bus fare ticket would have been a free ride back to Seattle.

If the MUNI officers ask for your proof of payment and you don't have it you show your ID and get a ticket. I don't know what happens if you don't have ID, but I've never seen them haul someone off or do a search. Even when presenting ID I never noticed anyone getting any info scanned, just a ticket being written. His name would have been run through the system later that day, or even a couple of days later, and they'd know he was in SF, but he could have moved on by then. Of course if this guy was from Seattle he probably didn't know the procedure or what would happen.

Mithiwithi: beta_plus: Remember, since these are liberals their behavior is not representative of the the left. If they were conservatives, you would be free to use the broadest brush possible to smear the right with their behavior.

Wow, where have you been? We lefties have been smeared with "our" protestors' bad behavior since the sixties (and you can take it even further back if you include the early days of the labor movement).

/150 people in SF isn't a movement
//it's barely a fart

150 people can be a real pain in the ass. Especially if they are motivated, mobile, and persistant. There are ways of amplifying numbers with timing, target selection, tactics and using alliances of convenience.

Seacop: lucksi: Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

But seeing he had a gun and a warrant for murder, that little bus fare ticket would have been a free ride back to Seattle.

Initially, there was no evidence that he actually fired at the officers attempting to detain him. From other articles:
- Witnesses apparently didn't hear gunshots until the officers opened fire on a fleeing suspect, shooting him 5 times in the back as he fled.
- No gun was found on Harding at the scene.
- The gun they're attempting to link to Harding was found at a parolee's house, the location of which was provided by an informant, well after the shooting.
- While they've released information indicating that Harding may have fired a gun in the recent past, they've not released information indicating whether the gun allegedly linked to Harding (the one that wasn't on the scene when they shot him) is the one used to shoot the officers, or even if it's been fired recently.
- The gun they're attempting to link to Harding doesn't match the caliber of the one he apparently used in Seattle.

I didn't know being a proud black man was still a death sentence in America.

We need another Tupac to lead our people out of the depths of despair and oppression.

"/150 people in SF isn't a movement
//it's barely a fart"

All of them were probably felons wanted by police.

After all, San Francisco IS a 'Sanctuary City'.

Protesters met at Dolores park after failing to get police protection for a demonstration in Bayview.

Wasserspeier: San Francisco is 49 square miles surrounded by reality.

You see, this is the kind of blatantly untrue idiocy that results when people blather on and on about the stereotype of San Francisco rather than actually stopping to arm themselves with even the most basic facts about the actual city where people actually live, rather than the FoxNews-distorted view yokels in flyover country get. San Francisco is only 47 square miles.

Pimping 14 year old girls is bad Karma.

sigdiamond2000: In what universe is this considered "police brutality?"

I was listening to KQED (the San Francisco NPR affiliate) yesterday where some woman was trying to explain how this was all the fault of the police. It was amazing.

I'm not one to generally trust the police, but this case seems like the most clear-cut a case of justified homicide as I can imagine.

I live in SF, but I have to admit it's a constant process of reductio ad absurdum.

Thank you Darwin for not killing these people outright (too messy).

DJ Kevy Kev: Besides, the way MUNI is so screwed up, we take fare evasion seriously.

My favorite is watching the bus board in Chinatown. It's not like 1 or 2 people sneak in the back door w/o paying -- half the block manages to cram through the back door & largely fill up the bus (without paying).

/used to have to ride MUNI through that area for a few months
//never again

lucksi: Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

Not sure if you are saying that the police are stupid for shooting him over bus fare, or that the guy was stupid for pulling a gun and getting killed over bus fare. Without clarification, I don't know whether to post "This" or "Moran".

mc_madness: I didn't know being a proud black man was still a death sentence in America.

We need another Tupac to lead our people out of the depths of despair and oppression.

Are you really that gottdamn dumb?

SithLord: Fail subby - you forgot to include rainbow flags and people dressed in assless chaps.

How many times does it have to be said? There is no such thing as assless chaps; chaps are by definition assless.

FormlessOne: Seacop: lucksi: Maybe it's the thing that they chased someone over farking bus fare and it escalated (which is always the suspects fault) to where someone got shot. And killed.

For farking bus fare.

What would be the fine for that normally? It's 40 bucks here and certainly not something that would get police into a chase.

But seeing he had a gun and a warrant for murder, that little bus fare ticket would have been a free ride back to Seattle.

Initially, there was no evidence that he actually fired at the officers attempting to detain him. From other articles:
- Witnesses apparently didn't hear gunshots until the officers opened fire on a fleeing suspect, shooting him 5 times in the back as he fled.
- No gun was found on Harding at the scene.
- The gun they're attempting to link to Harding was found at a parolee's house, the location of which was provided by an informant, well after the shooting.
- While they've released information indicating that Harding may have fired a gun in the recent past, they've not released information indicating whether the gun allegedly linked to Harding (the one that wasn't on the scene when they shot him) is the one used to shoot the officers, or even if it's been fired recently.
- The gun they're attempting to link to Harding doesn't match the caliber of the one he apparently used in Seattle.

I'm not arguing any of that chuckles, I'm providing an answer as to why he may have run.