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2011-07-18 11:46:48 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Bush didn't have any smart ideas


FTFY.
 
2011-07-18 11:48:04 PM  
Good idea: Getting head while smoking a stogie like a boss
Bad idea: From a solid 4
 
2011-07-18 11:48:53 PM  

eddyatwork: When Bill Clinton is seen as having good ideas, you know we've hit the bottom of the barrel.


Yes, because when I think "idiot presidents with terrible ideas" of the last 30 years, Clinton is the first one I think of. No one else. Just him.

Derp Herp A Derp
 
2011-07-18 11:49:02 PM  
I'm guessing without term limits, Clinton would have been president for as long as he wanted to run.
 
2011-07-18 11:52:05 PM  
I would've voted for clinton if I was old enough.

shiat got ALOT worse after he left office.

ALOT
 
2011-07-18 11:53:07 PM  
Painting roofs white (common in FL) is a good "green" idea, but I doubt you'll see actual savings. That 20% will dwindle down real quickly after utility companies hike rates to make up for lost revenue.
 
2011-07-18 11:54:06 PM  

Mija: Say you live where you spend more on heating than cooling. Wouldn't it be better to have a black roof? I hear a lot about "cool roofs" but I've never seen that taken into consideration. Maybe I'm just being a simpleton and overlooking the obvious. Anyone care to educate me?


Well, in the places where it's cooler more than warmer, I'm guessing it doesn't take much snow to turn a black roof into a white roof anyway, meaning in the winter the black roof isn't going to help much when you need it the most.
 
2011-07-18 11:59:03 PM  
Britney Spear's Speculum : I would've voted for clinton if I was old enough. shiat got ALOT worse after he left office. ALOT

Education standards come most readily to mind.
 
2011-07-19 12:00:38 AM  
Invest in things that will save money in the medium/long term? What jackass logic is it that says you can spend money to create money?
 
2011-07-19 12:04:32 AM  

Mija: Say you live where you spend more on heating than cooling. Wouldn't it be better to have a black roof? I hear a lot about "cool roofs" but I've never seen that taken into consideration. Maybe I'm just being a simpleton and overlooking the obvious. Anyone care to educate me?


Nope, because cooling is much more expensive. Besides, the only time it might help is winter. The roofs are covered in snow.
 
2011-07-19 12:08:14 AM  

goatleggedfellow: Invest in things that will save money in the medium/long term? What jackass logic is it that says you can spend money to create money?


The kind of logical thinking it takes to cut off the only money spigot in the economy when it's flagging like a sprinter after 3 miles. The kind of logic that impels one to focus on previously accumulated debt during a revenue crisis, rejecting any revenue-increasing proposals in the process.

GOP logic.
 
2011-07-19 12:09:49 AM  

elchip: Therefore, the GOP will reject every single one of these proposals.

Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.


The Spanish flu was pretty bad. Though I wouldn't want a Republican to cough on me because...well, that's just icky.

/got nothin'
 
2011-07-19 12:19:29 AM  
If he sends me a monkey, I'll be the best damn copy of the Empire State Building the world's ever seen!
 
2011-07-19 12:25:45 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Britney Spear's Speculum : I would've voted for clinton if I was old enough. shiat got ALOT worse after he left office. ALOT

Education standards come most readily to mind


On the other hand, his tax cuts made the economy shoost up to the sun and the sky.,
 
2011-07-19 12:31:35 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Best president of the last 70+ years.


Uhh, no-

img713.imageshack.us
 
2011-07-19 12:31:56 AM  

Mija: Say you live where you spend more on heating than cooling. Wouldn't it be better to have a black roof? I hear a lot about "cool roofs" but I've never seen that taken into consideration. Maybe I'm just being a simpleton and overlooking the obvious. Anyone care to educate me?


Yes, but those area probably have a lot of snow in the winter, so the color of your roof won't matter much.
 
2011-07-19 12:40:12 AM  
Okay, so painting your roof white seems like a good idea, but what about doors? My place has a red door.
 
2011-07-19 12:41:55 AM  

King Something: Okay, so painting your roof white seems like a good idea, but what about doors? My place has a red door.


Seeing that makes me want to paint it black.
 
2011-07-19 12:42:18 AM  

Earguy: 8. PAINT 'EM WHITE

Look at the tar roofs covering millions of American buildings. They absorb huge amounts of heat when it's hot. And they require more air conditioning to cool the rooms. Mayor Bloomberg started a program to hire and train young people to paint New York's roofs white. A big percentage of the kids have been able to parlay this simple work into higher-skilled training programs or energy-related retrofit jobs. (And, believe it or not, painting the roof white can lower the electricity use by 20 percent on a hot day!)

I like it. Simple and effective.


Then in the winter when you need the extra heat, paint the roofs black again. Every fall and every spring there will be millions of jobs for painters to adjust the heat intake of all the buildings in the country.
 
2011-07-19 12:50:19 AM  
When I was president, the economy benefited because information technology penetrated every aspect of American life. More than one quarter of our job growth and one third of our income growth came from that. Now the obvious candidate for that role today is changing the way we produce and use energy. The U.S. didn't ratify the Kyoto accords, of course, because Al Gore and I left office, and the next government wasn't for it. They were all wrong. Before the financial meltdown, the four countries that will meet their Kyoto greenhouse-gas emission targets were outperforming America with lower unemployment, more new business formation, and less income inequality

Bill, try not to lie too hard. The Democrats in the Senate didn't support the Kyoto accords, and voted against them, and it was not because you were leaving office, it was because they were a horrible idea and didn't apply to India and China. The Kyoto accords would have meant two things for the United States...

1) It would have screwed us over COMPLETELY while allowing global competition to go ahead without incident.
2) They wouldn't have worked to reduce global warming by more than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a degree even if the most alarmist predictions about global warming were true.

Obama tried the "alternative energy" thing as part of his stimulus, and it failed, it failed hard. There are jobs in energy: oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear and if you want to continue to develop alternative energy while we develop traditional energy sources, that would be fine, but the idea that we can put a bunch of people to work in the alternative energy industry is an absolute pipe dream.
 
2011-07-19 12:56:02 AM  

the biggest redneck here: AdolfOliverPanties: Best president of the last 70+ years.

Uhh, no-

[img713.imageshack.us image 428x480]


Eisenhower was pretty great. I miss the Big Dog quite a bit, though. Times were good when he was President.
 
2011-07-19 12:56:23 AM  

JoeJitsu: Earguy: 8. PAINT 'EM WHITE

Look at the tar roofs covering millions of American buildings. They absorb huge amounts of heat when it's hot. And they require more air conditioning to cool the rooms. Mayor Bloomberg started a program to hire and train young people to paint New York's roofs white. A big percentage of the kids have been able to parlay this simple work into higher-skilled training programs or energy-related retrofit jobs. (And, believe it or not, painting the roof white can lower the electricity use by 20 percent on a hot day!)

I like it. Simple and effective.

Then in the winter when you need the extra heat, paint the roofs black again. Every fall and every spring there will be millions of jobs for painters to adjust the heat intake of all the buildings in the country.


I thought that this wasn't a huge issue since the sun was lower on the horizon in the winter (so the heat is coming in through the windows rather than the roof) and that most of the heating happens at night anyways .. but whatever.
 
2011-07-19 12:59:53 AM  

randomjsa: When I was president, the economy benefited because information technology penetrated every aspect of American life. More than one quarter of our job growth and one third of our income growth came from that. Now the obvious candidate for that role today is changing the way we produce and use energy. The U.S. didn't ratify the Kyoto accords, of course, because Al Gore and I left office, and the next government wasn't for it. They were all wrong. Before the financial meltdown, the four countries that will meet their Kyoto greenhouse-gas emission targets were outperforming America with lower unemployment, more new business formation, and less income inequality

Bill, try not to lie too hard. The Democrats in the Senate didn't support the Kyoto accords, and voted against them, and it was not because you were leaving office, it was because they were a horrible idea and didn't apply to India and China. The Kyoto accords would have meant two things for the United States...

1) It would have screwed us over COMPLETELY while allowing global competition to go ahead without incident.
2) They wouldn't have worked to reduce global warming by more than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a degree even if the most alarmist predictions about global warming were true.

Obama tried the "alternative energy" thing as part of his stimulus, and it failed, it failed hard. There are jobs in energy: oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear and if you want to continue to develop alternative energy while we develop traditional energy sources, that would be fine, but the idea that we can put a bunch of people to work in the alternative energy industry is an absolute pipe dream.


Yet the company I work for makes parts for windmills and have hired hundreds of direct jobs and who knows how many indirect jobs in the process. Of course, they are a German company and they think further down the road than American companies do. Yes, it took millions of dollars in investment but the fact is they are there.
 
2011-07-19 01:00:46 AM  

krelborne: 8. PAINT 'EM WHITE

/crazy enough to work


Nah, the coloring is all wrong. People always give Obama an olive skin tone when they try to make a white version of him. He's part Irish. Give him a pink under tone and green eyes. Then make the hair a flatter black.

i281.photobucket.com

See, here he looks like less like "White Chicks" white and more like his Irish heritage. He could even fool a redneck.
 
2011-07-19 01:02:50 AM  

the biggest redneck here: AdolfOliverPanties: Best president of the last 70+ years.

Uhh, no-

[img713.imageshack.us image 428x480]


He wouldn't be a member of the GOP today. He started the United States Interstate system. That, and he warned about the military industrial complex that lobbies Washington to buy engines for jets that the military says they do not want.
 
2011-07-19 01:11:22 AM  

Somacandra: I have never understood why roofs are often so dark-colored. Its makes no sense in the vast majority of the US. It doesn't help in the winter enough and its completely sucks ass in the Summer.


It does help in winter if you live in the southwest or the south. But, that aside, most roofs are black because they're shingled and/or sealed with tar, which are black because that's just what color the component materials are. A roof is exposed to more weather than the sides of the building in most places, so your coat of white paint (which may be more expensive than the roof itself) is going to last maybe six months between needing a re-coat, which is either expensive (paying someone else to do it) or a huge pain in the ass (doing it yourself).

A better solution would be to use a better roofing material to begin with. Galvanized steel comes to mind, or light-colored ceramics. Hell, build your frame to hold more load and stick a layer of soil and sod up there with a sprinkler.

It's sort of a sad fact of architecture that there's almost never a cheap and easy way to up your heat efficiency once the structure is complete. Build it right the first time or find yourself considering ripping it apart damn near completely to rebuild it better later.

//Of course, I'm talking about you standard, tilted residential roof here. The horizontal roofs common in offices and buildings actually usually aren't black, because they're concrete, which is white (portland cement) or grey (fly ash mixes). The "just paint it white" idea might actually work pretty well in that context, especially since any random yahoo can paint a horizontal roof so it's not a particularly large expense.
 
2011-07-19 01:15:13 AM  

mekki: See, here he looks like less like "White Chicks" white and more like his Irish heritage. He could even fool a redneck.


That toupee isn't fooling anyone.
 
2011-07-19 01:21:18 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: I would've voted for clinton if I was old enough.

shiat got ALOT worse after he left office.

ALOT


I would never have believed the country could be run into the ground as fast as it was. I am beginning to doubt that it can put back on the trajectory it was on when Clinton left office.

Everyone should be allowed to punch a Republican in the face and kick their dog.
 
2011-07-19 01:23:43 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: the biggest redneck here: AdolfOliverPanties: Best president of the last 70+ years.

Uhh, no-

[img713.imageshack.us image 428x480]

He wouldn't be a member of the GOP today. He started the United States Interstate system. That, and he warned about the military industrial complex that lobbies Washington to buy engines for jets that the military says they do not want.


Both parties tried to draft Eisenhower in 1948, and there was lively debate throughout Truman's second term whether he would run as a Democrat or a Republican.
 
2011-07-19 01:24:46 AM  
Can we elect him again please?
 
2011-07-19 01:25:32 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: Bigdogdaddy: the biggest redneck here: AdolfOliverPanties: Best president of the last 70+ years.

Uhh, no-

[img713.imageshack.us image 428x480]

He wouldn't be a member of the GOP today. He started the United States Interstate system. That, and he warned about the military industrial complex that lobbies Washington to buy engines for jets that the military says they do not want.

Both parties tried to draft Eisenhower in 1948, and there was lively debate throughout Truman's second term whether he would run as a Democrat or a Republican.


I knew that about Eisenhower, I'll have to google the Truman thing...no offense, I just don't take everyone's word without checking things out.
 
2011-07-19 01:36:45 AM  

Darkness_Explorer: Really? thats alot of white paint... I think I need to invest in sherwin williams


I've been thinking about this white roof thing for a couple of years now and then last winter happened. How many roofs would/could collapse without solar heating before a big storm?
Other than that everything sounds great.
 
2011-07-19 01:49:59 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Cornelius Dribble: Bigdogdaddy: the biggest redneck here: AdolfOliverPanties: Best president of the last 70+ years.

Uhh, no-

[img713.imageshack.us image 428x480]

He wouldn't be a member of the GOP today. He started the United States Interstate system. That, and he warned about the military industrial complex that lobbies Washington to buy engines for jets that the military says they do not want.

Both parties tried to draft Eisenhower in 1948, and there was lively debate throughout Truman's second term whether he (Eisenhower) would run as a Democrat or a Republican.

I knew that about Eisenhower, I'll have to google the Truman thing...no offense, I just don't take everyone's word without checking things out.


Apologies for the clumsy syntax.
 
2011-07-19 01:55:02 AM  

the biggest redneck here: AdolfOliverPanties: Best president of the last 70+ years.

Uhh, no-

[img713.imageshack.us image 428x480]


But not as good as Ike's boss..
4.bp.blogspot.com
He was still president 70 years ago...Got us out of a depression and through a World War.

Not that Ike was bad. He was pretty darn good in fact.
 
2011-07-19 02:06:32 AM  
Banks still have more than $2 trillion in cash uncommitted to loans.

This is appalling
 
2011-07-19 02:10:10 AM  

McManus_brothers: I'm fairly conservative (although the modern GOP would consider me a RINO) ... and I think I'd be pretty happy with Bill Clinton as President-for-Life.


arch.413chan.net
 
2011-07-19 02:14:17 AM  
Implementing any or all of his ideas would go toward helping the economy pick back up. Clinton isn't a stupid man, he's practical and knows economics.
 
2011-07-19 02:28:24 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Britney Spear's Speculum : I would've voted for clinton if I was old enough. shiat got ALOT worse after he left office. ALOT

Education standards come most readily to mind.


(applause.gif)
 
2011-07-19 02:30:40 AM  
15. Let the Republicans pretend it was their idea so they will let us actually do some of those ideas instead of obstructing everything that will help the country.
 
2011-07-19 02:33:04 AM  
Had we stayed on the path Clinton put us on we'd be out of debt by now.
 
2011-07-19 02:48:28 AM  
Therefore, the GOP will reject every single one of these proposals.

Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.


I'd say they're the greatest threat the world have ever faced.
These inbreeds would rationalize anything if they were to get their hands on the nukes.
 
2011-07-19 02:51:49 AM  

doctor wu: Therefore, the GOP will reject every single one of these proposals.

Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

I'd say they're the greatest threat the world have ever faced.
These inbreeds would rationalize anything if they were to get their hands on the nukes.


my sister farks like a champ man...
 
2011-07-19 02:57:27 AM  
Ignore environmental regulations (1). More tax breaks for corporations (6). And on top of that, corporate tax cuts (12).

Bill Clinton, fark off.
 
2011-07-19 02:59:59 AM  

TDBoedy:

my sister farks like a champ man...


We know man, we all know...
 
2011-07-19 03:04:03 AM  
Best President we've had in the last half-century. Easily the smartest.

Yeah, I said it. Fark off, shiatbird.
 
2011-07-19 03:07:25 AM  

ClipJoint: McManus_brothers: I'm fairly conservative (although the modern GOP would consider me a RINO) ... and I think I'd be pretty happy with Bill Clinton as President-for-Life.

[arch.413chan.net image 379x214]


Eh, Clinton wasn't that great a President. Kind of mediocre overall, though he got lucky on the economy and the tech advancement running strong while he was around. His foreign policy (y'know, the main the the president has real control over) was damn near as farked as Bush 2's, and honestly I'd bet on him farking up the response to the 9/11 attack in a similar if not identical way.

He didn't handle his relationship with the congress very adroitly, either, thus the whole impeachment deal. That wouldn't have gone half as far as it did had he not royally pissed off about 90% of congress and made few if any efforts to mend fences or avoid making shiat personal.

I guess realistically people are going to blame/credit everything on the President whether they had much to do with it or not, though. We've done that forever. Though the whole bit where everyone has to put on their partisan-colored glasses to filter out the good or bad half first is new-ish, or at least something that comes and goes in US politics.
 
2011-07-19 03:18:21 AM  
It's better than what the O-bots have in mind, but

5. GET THE UTILITIES IN ON THE ACTION

Let's suppose you and I go to a blue-collar neighborhood in Rockland County, N.Y.


THAT's the county he thinks is blue-collar in NY?

Most everybody north of I-84 would beg to differ.
 
2011-07-19 03:38:59 AM  
Anyone who can make Republicans lose their freakin minds like Bill Clinton is okay in my book.

Would vote for him again.
 
2011-07-19 03:44:04 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ClipJoint: McManus_brothers: I'm fairly conservative (although the modern GOP would consider me a RINO) ... and I think I'd be pretty happy with Bill Clinton as President-for-Life.

[arch.413chan.net image 379x214]

Eh, Clinton wasn't that great a President. Kind of mediocre overall, though he got lucky on the economy and the tech advancement running strong while he was around. His foreign policy (y'know, the main the the president has real control over) was damn near as farked as Bush 2's, and honestly I'd bet on him farking up the response to the 9/11 attack in a similar if not identical way.


So vote Republican.
 
2011-07-19 03:46:07 AM  

Jim_Callahan: His foreign policy (y'know, the main the the president has real control over) was damn near as farked as Bush 2's, and honestly I'd bet on him farking up the response to the 9/11 attack in a similar if not identical way.


What gives you that idea? He's said his biggest mistake was sitting on his hands during the Rwanda genocide, and that's a big reason why he pushed for intervention in the Balkans (especially after the UN/Euros screwed the pooch in the Srebrenica genocide), which have worked well compared to what's come afterwards.

In other words, he already had mistakes from which to learn and had his shiat together about as well as can be expected.
 
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