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2011-07-15 01:50:56 PM  
HA!

My parents live in this town. That is hilarious.
 
2011-07-15 01:57:00 PM  
Bonus: he's black :)
 
2011-07-15 02:00:03 PM  
I hope he gets to stay. His neighbors sound like a bunch of haters, though ...
 
2011-07-15 02:04:33 PM  
It's not little-known, and adverse possession laws are not exclusive to Texas.
 
2011-07-15 02:06:50 PM  
Good for him. And yeah lolohnoblackguy.
 
2011-07-15 02:12:55 PM  

ginandbacon: Bonus: he's black :)


I'm sure that's not the problem, not at all.
 
2011-07-15 02:20:56 PM  

GAT_00: ginandbacon: Bonus: he's black :)

I'm sure that's not the problem, not at all.


Oh no, I'm sure you're right. I certainly wouldn't want to imply that his neighbors wouldn't welcome a black man with open arms.

Someone in the comments wants to pay for his electricity and water. Heh.
 
2011-07-15 02:23:48 PM  

HawgWild: I hope he gets to stay. His neighbors sound like a bunch of haters, though ...


Ironically, their efforts to get him out will probably only strengthen his case. Part of the requirement for adverse possession is that it's "open and notorious." There is no way that anyone can claim now that they didn't know he was there and that he was hiding his actions.
 
2011-07-15 02:39:43 PM  
As a resident of Denton County, I have to confess that I'm kind of rootin' for the dude.
 
2011-07-15 02:53:04 PM  
The neighbors sound like a bunch of whiny biatches. He got a better than you. Deal with it. Just because you're now in debt up to your eyeballs doesn't mean everyone else needs to be.

He found a way to game the system and got a free house out of it. Good for him.
 
2011-07-15 02:56:44 PM  

PocketfullaSass: As a resident of Denton County, I have to confess that I'm kind of rootin' for the dude.


Word.

/also resident of Denton County
 
2011-07-15 03:04:42 PM  
Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.
 
2011-07-15 03:08:17 PM  

HawgWild: I hope he gets to stay. His neighbors sound like a bunch of haters, though ...


yeah the neighbors are being coonts enough for me to want this guy to have the house.
 
2011-07-15 03:28:15 PM  

Shostie: It's not little-known, and adverse possession laws are not exclusive to Texas.


true. It's not usually used in this manner, as doing so brings a lot of attention to yourself and that makes it hard to pull off. Most "adverse possession" claims have to do with cases where someone takes over a portion of someone's property, for instance by moving a fence a few feet. If the owner of the property lets it stand for whatever is the required amount of time, the person who moved the fence can file a claim for adverse possession.

I hope he gets away with it, though, and his neighbors can suck it.
 
2011-07-15 03:39:53 PM  

timujin: Shostie: It's not little-known, and adverse possession laws are not exclusive to Texas.

true. It's not usually used in this manner, as doing so brings a lot of attention to yourself and that makes it hard to pull off. Most "adverse possession" claims have to do with cases where someone takes over a portion of someone's property, for instance by moving a fence a few feet. If the owner of the property lets it stand for whatever is the required amount of time, the person who moved the fence can file a claim for adverse possession.

I hope he gets away with it, though, and his neighbors can suck it.


My grandparents' neighbors in Florida tried that while they were on vacation for a month. They got home and asked the neighbors what the hell was happening and they offered very nicely to keep the fence in nice condition and start taking care of that part of their yard. What they didn't expect was my grandmother walking away while they were still trying to talk my grandfather into it and returning with a chain saw and just start cutting the damn thing down without another word.
 
2011-07-15 03:48:39 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.


Yeah, but he still goes rent free for that time. At the very least he'll save THOUSANDS in housing costs.
 
2011-07-15 03:53:20 PM  
Good for him. I hope he'll be a shiatty neighbor to return the favor. "If he wants the house, buy the house like everyone else had to," says the nosy controlling biatch who could have done the same thing.

/Lewisville ftw
 
2011-07-15 03:57:03 PM  

Gwendolyn: timujin: Shostie: It's not little-known, and adverse possession laws are not exclusive to Texas.

true. It's not usually used in this manner, as doing so brings a lot of attention to yourself and that makes it hard to pull off. Most "adverse possession" claims have to do with cases where someone takes over a portion of someone's property, for instance by moving a fence a few feet. If the owner of the property lets it stand for whatever is the required amount of time, the person who moved the fence can file a claim for adverse possession.

I hope he gets away with it, though, and his neighbors can suck it.

My grandparents' neighbors in Florida tried that while they were on vacation for a month. They got home and asked the neighbors what the hell was happening and they offered very nicely to keep the fence in nice condition and start taking care of that part of their yard. What they didn't expect was my grandmother walking away while they were still trying to talk my grandfather into it and returning with a chain saw and just start cutting the damn thing down without another word.


your grandmother sounds awesome
 
2011-07-15 04:02:37 PM  
This won't work. Wealthy people don't like the law when it benefits someone who isn't necessarily wealthy. PARTICULARLY so if that person is a minority.
 
2011-07-15 04:32:40 PM  

ginandbacon: Bonus: he's black :)


No wonder the neighbors want him out.
 
2011-07-15 04:33:09 PM  

dapsychous: TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.

Yeah, but he still goes rent free for that time. At the very least he'll save THOUSANDS in housing costs.


With the way the papers have been sold/resold/confused/broken up/etc.? There's a decent chance that he'll make the 3 (or 10) year requirement to get the deed free and clear.
 
2011-07-15 04:34:13 PM  
What Kenneth Robinson might look like:

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Problem, white neighbors?
 
2011-07-15 04:34:55 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.


Yeah that's what I want to know. Somebody holds the paper. When a mortgage company goes under, their assets just don't go up for grab. Probably their is bankruptcy trustee who has legal possession of the property in order to sell it to pay off debts. Squatters are the worst of the worst.
 
2011-07-15 04:35:50 PM  
Good luck trying, in most states it's twenty years of adverse possession.
 
2011-07-15 04:36:50 PM  
I do not have a problem with this.
 
2011-07-15 04:37:46 PM  

transplendent: I do not have a problem with this.


You say that now, but wait until a black man moves into your neighborhood...


(Kidding...)
 
2011-07-15 04:38:28 PM  

TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.


In Texas if he's paying the property taxes the period for adverse possession can be shorter than the normal rule.
 
2011-07-15 04:39:47 PM  
When he goes to wor.....the store just burn the house down.
 
2011-07-15 04:41:06 PM  
Joke's on him: he's still living in Texas.
 
2011-07-15 04:41:10 PM  
Really, you think the neighbors are more likely to be assholes than this guy?
 
2011-07-15 04:41:12 PM  
Ya he needs to do a bit more learnin'. His "It is already mine I have the paper," no, not so much. Adverse possession is legit, but it takes a long time. He's doing it right so far, it has to be obvious, and it has to be hostile (meaning the rightful owner didn't give you permission) but now he has many a year of waiting. Most likely, someone will come and kick him out and he'll cry how unfair it is.
 
2011-07-15 04:42:51 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: HawgWild: I hope he gets to stay. His neighbors sound like a bunch of haters, though ...

Ironically, their efforts to get him out will probably only strengthen his case. Part of the requirement for adverse possession is that it's "open and notorious." There is no way that anyone can claim now that they didn't know he was there and that he was hiding his actions.


The fark? Okay, listen, I know you're TF, but you must be new here, because we don't allow no informative comments in this piece. Aiight? So take out your farking informed opinions, and add some goddamn derp, or it's the permaban for you!
 
2011-07-15 04:43:16 PM  
"Absolutely," he said. "I want to be owner of record. At this point, because I possess it, I am the owner."

Well you have to be in the game when the lead changes. That's the rules.
 
2011-07-15 04:44:12 PM  

EWreckedSean: TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.

Yeah that's what I want to know. Somebody holds the paper. When a mortgage company goes under, their assets just don't go up for grab. Probably their is bankruptcy trustee who has legal possession of the property in order to sell it to pay off debts. Squatters are the worst of the worst.


I'm not a fan of squatters, as a rule, but I wouldn't be so sure anyone could find the paperwork, even if the mortgage holder HADN'T gone under. Wouldn't be the first U.S. case where an entire mortgage file has gone missing...a law school buddy of mine was in court when a judge ripped a bank attorney for exactly that.

Judges get cranky when us professionals show up in court without that thar evidence stuff we larned in law-talking school :)

Yes, banks and mortgage companies have been that incompetent...we had to bail them out after they bought their own toxic assets, remember?
 
2011-07-15 04:44:31 PM  
So, according to a quick scan of the wiki, the "rightful owners" can reset his time clock at any time by simply granting him permission to stay there for a day. Once granted permission, you're no longer in adverse possession....then they can revoke that permission.

Of course, this all revolves around a competent authority actually both knowing they own this title and doing something about it. With the mess the system is in right now, it very well may just be lost in the files.
 
2011-07-15 04:45:15 PM  

space_cadet_28: Really, you think the neighbors are more likely to be assholes than this guy?


It's Texas. I give it 50/50 odds
 
2011-07-15 04:47:12 PM  

Kar98: Joke's on him: he's still living in Texas.


Jealous
 
2011-07-15 04:47:20 PM  

EWreckedSean: TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.

Yeah that's what I want to know. Somebody holds the paper. When a mortgage company goes under, their assets just don't go up for grab. Probably their is bankruptcy trustee who has legal possession of the property in order to sell it to pay off debts. Squatters are the worst of the worst.


Why? How many properties have you seen that have been foreclosed on that are just sitting there untended? It got so bad in my area that they had to pass a law where banks that weren't maintaining those foreclosed properties would have to pay a $1,000/day fine until they did. So, instead of letting a house become a blight on the neighborhood, some guy like this moves in and cleans the place up, makes it liveable and now has a roof over his head. How does that make him the "worst of the worst?"

/one thing, though, the last thing you want if you're attempting adverse possession is publicity. I'm going to bet this guy is out of the house by the end of the month.
 
2011-07-15 04:48:20 PM  

PunGent: Judges get cranky when us professionals show up in court without that thar evidence stuff we larned in law-talking school :)


Weren't there a lot of stories a couple of years back where people were advised to take advantage of this situation? Mortgage change owners a dozen times or so, as usual, and then the home owners said, OK, show me the actual paper, which the new owner of the mortgages couldn't actually provide?
 
2011-07-15 04:48:30 PM  

sycraft: Most likely, someone will come and kick him out and he'll cry how unfair it is.


Meanwhile, he's living rent-free.
 
2011-07-15 04:48:47 PM  
What happens if someone files adverse possession on his adverse possession? Are they both out 16 bucks?
 
2011-07-15 04:49:58 PM  
Does he have to pay $150,000 in luxury tax for it?
 
2011-07-15 04:50:38 PM  

timujin: EWreckedSean: TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.

Yeah that's what I want to know. Somebody holds the paper. When a mortgage company goes under, their assets just don't go up for grab. Probably their is bankruptcy trustee who has legal possession of the property in order to sell it to pay off debts. Squatters are the worst of the worst.

Why? How many properties have you seen that have been foreclosed on that are just sitting there untended? It got so bad in my area that they had to pass a law where banks that weren't maintaining those foreclosed properties would have to pay a $1,000/day fine until they did. So, instead of letting a house become a blight on the neighborhood, some guy like this moves in and cleans the place up, makes it liveable and now has a roof over his head. How does that make him the "worst of the worst?"

/one thing, though, the last thing you want if you're attempting adverse possession is publicity. I'm going to bet this guy is out of the house by the end of the month.


Squatters in general are the worst of the worst because they are trying to claim ownership of something that somebody else bought and paid for with the fruits of their labor. At least the laws are better here than in Europe. Remember this guy?

Link (new window)

If I were this guy, I'd be pretty worried considering it is Texas. I would assume if the title owner did show up and find him in the house they'd legally be allowed to shoot him.
 
2011-07-15 04:50:44 PM  
CSB!

There was an adverse possession case on my street a couple years ago. A lady (somewhat mentally challenged) had been living in her house for 25 years, paying rent to someone in California. But that person died at some point and the property taxes stopped being paid though it seems the rent checks were being cashed for a while. Those stopped too and the mail was being returned to sender. The city tried to find who actually owned the house though they weren't able to - whoever died had left a mess for out of state relatives to clean up and they simply said "fark it" and apparently threw everything away, house deed and all, and wanted nothing to do with the house.

So the city basically gave the little old lady the house under adverse possession, though she was unable to pay the back taxes on it, so she sold it and moved into a nursing home.
 
2011-07-15 04:50:45 PM  
$16 for a house is not normal. But on meth in Texas it is.

/Texas: Not even once.
 
2011-07-15 04:50:49 PM  

Theory Of Null: What happens if someone files adverse possession on his adverse possession? Are they both out 16 bucks?


Nope. That's when Xzibit shows up to sort the whole thing out.
 
2011-07-15 04:53:25 PM  
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A house? I'll buy that for $16.
 
2011-07-15 04:53:32 PM  

space_cadet_28: Really, you think the neighbors are more likely to be assholes than this guy?


Yes, because they read a few carefully selected quotes in a brief article. They know all about these people!
 
2011-07-15 04:54:08 PM  

sycraft: Ya he needs to do a bit more learnin'. His "It is already mine I have the paper," no, not so much. Adverse possession is legit, but it takes a long time. He's doing it right so far, it has to be obvious, and it has to be hostile (meaning the rightful owner didn't give you permission) but now he has many a year of waiting. Most likely, someone will come and kick him out and he'll cry how unfair it is.


I'm kinda hoping they'll let him squat there till like the week before he can claim the title, then give him the boot. but im sadistic like that.
 
2011-07-15 04:55:45 PM  

EWreckedSean: timujin: EWreckedSean: TheHighlandHowler: Without a deed, adverse possession in Texas (like this) takes ten years, (according to Google search).

Someone holds the paper and will eventually put him out.

Yeah that's what I want to know. Somebody holds the paper. When a mortgage company goes under, their assets just don't go up for grab. Probably their is bankruptcy trustee who has legal possession of the property in order to sell it to pay off debts. Squatters are the worst of the worst.

Why? How many properties have you seen that have been foreclosed on that are just sitting there untended? It got so bad in my area that they had to pass a law where banks that weren't maintaining those foreclosed properties would have to pay a $1,000/day fine until they did. So, instead of letting a house become a blight on the neighborhood, some guy like this moves in and cleans the place up, makes it liveable and now has a roof over his head. How does that make him the "worst of the worst?"

/one thing, though, the last thing you want if you're attempting adverse possession is publicity. I'm going to bet this guy is out of the house by the end of the month.

Squatters in general are the worst of the worst because they are trying to claim ownership of something that somebody else bought and paid for with the fruits of their labor. At least the laws are better here than in Europe. Remember this guy?

Link (new window)

If I were this guy, I'd be pretty worried considering it is Texas. I would assume if the title owner did show up and find him in the house they'd legally be allowed to shoot him.


But not in this case, he's trying to claim ownership of something that has been abandoned.

And any "owner" of this place isn't going to be a person, but whatever company that finds they own the title.

The way this whole thing has been screwed up, though, I am only about 50/50 that one will.
 
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